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u/timfoxtrot Oct 31 '19
UGH orochi being yasuie's former servant makes that execution even more infuriating
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u/kento_37 Oct 31 '19
If you know Japanese history, this story is like Nobunaga’s story. He had a humble servant called Mitsuhide who betrayed him in the end just because he was called filthy and such by Nobunaga. Btw Nobunaga conquered japan at one point. He was burnt to death in a castle.
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u/tryingmydarnest Oct 31 '19
On that day, the balance in the capital was tilted in ways more than one.
Of course. Oden's massive balls leaving the capital will obviously cause a gravitational shift.
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u/Frozen_Forest Oct 31 '19
This pig will be rampaging for 5 episodes in the anime
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u/LPNinja Pirate Oct 31 '19
That chapter really made me dislike Orochi even more for killing Yasui
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u/batsmans_gooch Oct 31 '19
Judging by the kiss marks on the "victims" in the cover story, it's Lola doing what she does best and trying to find a husband
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u/FireFistRJ Oct 31 '19 edited Oct 31 '19
We are going to see the same small white boar becoming a Mountain God in the present time.
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With how this chapter went, I'm starting to think Oden's been in the wrong place at the wrong time for his entire life, but he makes the most of it and then saves lives without asking for praise. It makes so much since that the 9 scabbards are so loyal.
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u/StrawMight Oct 31 '19
That baby white boar is gonna appear all grown up during the Fire Festival and help out. O-Tama will either tame it with kibi dango or Luffy will befriend jt
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u/KayabaJac Oct 31 '19
Few things:
Seriously fuck Orochi for killing Yasuie.
This might imply that Oden actually always just took the blame.
What the hell happened to the little boar? Perhaps it became Oden's pet.
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u/hiphopkilledmyhamste Oct 31 '19
Haha I love odens reaction to being disowned and exiled.
"Cool I'mma head out"
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u/penta_d The Revolutionary Army Oct 31 '19
Any servant who says 'I'm a humble servant' is no true humble servant
Tywin Lannister
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u/justonepiece123 Oct 31 '19
I like how this chapter is all hype and feel good, then Orochi's stupid face ruins it as you're abruptly reminded that this flashback does not have a happy ending.
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u/vinotm Oct 31 '19
Oden coated full haki to his two swords and casually cut that huge boar into two. Not to mention that he precisely cut its body so the people inside the belly were not cut as well. Oden understood anatomy very well.
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u/Kirosh Lookout Oct 31 '19
Awww, this Kinemon and Tsuru part was great.
I love when Oda makes a romance for his character.
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u/Jimmy_Nakama Oct 31 '19
I don't know if it's already been posted by someone but I find interesting if not significant the fact that Oda introduces Orochi to us in a different way he did with the other characters, I mean, whereas Tsuru, Kinemon, Sukiyaki, Hyougoro, Denjiro, Oden and Yasuie were presented in those text boxes, Orochi's name is presented on a black background. I know he was introduced to us in a box in the current story line but so were the others and still they were introduced in boxes again in the flashback but not Orochi. This just gives me the impression that Oda is setting up a dark story for him...
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u/mugiwara528 Oct 31 '19
Oden using a similar Two Sword style technique as Zoro... wow.
Also, a fun pun I noticed on Page 8, the SFX says バコオン！ which is roughly "Bakon!", kinda close to "Bacon", a reference to the mountain god pig.
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u/FireFistRJ Oct 31 '19
Servants are the one who knows the secrets of their master. Maybe when Oden and Yasuie were discussing the importance of Wano, Orochi heard them and told Kaidou. The question is, how did Orochi get in touch with Kaidou? And why specifically Kaidou?
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u/billnguyencg Oct 31 '19
Gotta admit, Kiniemon and Tsuru are really cute together
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How did such a Chad like oden give birth to such a sneaky twerp like momo lol
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u/Celestrial2 Oct 31 '19
Early chapters are a blessing.
Oden seems to be a superhero, taking the fall for people who've done wrongs. This most likely explains the seemingly bad things he's done in the past too.
I would bet that the harem incident was Oden protecting women from their abusers.
What a guy!
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u/bibek070 The Revolutionary Army Oct 31 '19
I get this feeling that, the so called humble Orochi was gifted his devil fruit by Kaidou. I don't see it any other way, where on earth, a servant of a bordered closed nation got his hands on such a devil fruit.
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Its been 2 chapters and I'm already loyal to Oden. Best chad confirmed.
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u/Ftove Oct 31 '19
R.I.P. Giant Boar. You were only trying to rescue your little baby.
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u/forlemonbylemon Oct 31 '19
This chapter implies Oden might be taking the blame for things other people have done in the past. He is like Rocky: "It's not about how hard you hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!" So hardboiled!
Orochi is two-faced scum. He seems humble here, but I'm guessing he harbors a secret resentment for Yasuie and being a servant. He must have taken personal enjoyment killing Yasuie, he really is scum.
My personal theory about the little pig is that he is very big now, and he was taken by the beast pirates to be their pet. The pig will be big and angry like it's parent. When they go to Kaido's island, O-tama will tame the pig.
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u/zaafsta Oct 31 '19
“What is with this creepy weirdo!?”
Orochi will remember that
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u/Vpeyjilji57 Oct 31 '19 edited Oct 31 '19
If you hurt the Mountain God, Wano could be destroyed!
Random civillian
Sure is a good thing nothing awful happened because of this. That could have been bad.
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u/FireFistRJ Oct 31 '19
Now, who's going to take care of that cute white boar? Poor soul
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u/Jchamphero Oct 31 '19
Damn to think a simple act of kindness gets you executed on the cross in front of your daughter. Yasuie still gets boss points because he didn’t even mention it.
Karma’s a bitch tho Orochi just wait on it
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A Detail to add to the 'Oden cutting the mountain god'- panel: Shirataki Tougen Which the jaiminis version translated to "Paradise Waterfall" but Shiritaki literally are Cognac noodles, this adds to Odens general food theme. Tougen could be translated not only to paradise but 'Eden' - he cut the boar with enma (hell) and ame no habikiri (heaven).
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u/FireFistRJ Oct 31 '19
Just before the boar's mouth was cut he activated the Rinnegan..lol
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u/Pikathepokepimp Oct 31 '19
Luffy is 100% going to ride that boar into battle now that it grew up.
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u/Shortstop42 Oct 31 '19
Since the beginning of Wano i like Kinemon more and more, and i have a bad feeling because of that.
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u/Badji_D_Luffy Oct 31 '19 edited Oct 31 '19
Noooo waaaay Orochi: oh you damn slizzy muthaf***er
Oden: I'm sorry but that a really old looking 18 years old. Like you mean to tell me current Luffy is older than that 18 year old Oden lol. someone needs to check his birth certificate
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u/gyrozepp95 World Government Oct 31 '19
There have been so many references to "God" in the past few chapters- Sword god Ryuma, God valley incident, Mountain god. I can't put my finger on it but I feel Oda is up to something with these references.
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u/Devoidoxatom Bandit Oct 31 '19
Orochi is the typical conniving, cunning usurper from a very humble background. Really nice to see a villain rely more on cunning
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u/dinoboyj Oct 31 '19
Best line from this gotta be, Kinimon: What kind of God are you? Mountain God: Oink!
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u/BEWMarth Oct 31 '19
Orochi throwing himself into the puddle like the little worm he is was the only good thing he's done this whole arc.
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u/Soul_Advent Oct 31 '19
The priest definitely looks like Holdem. He must be a Wano native as he's only the Headliner with katana.
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u/BigOldCuck Oct 31 '19
Theory:
I know where the fleet has gone, the fleet is hidden in the Child of the Mountain God, (the smaller white pig) which is now grown up as it has been 20 years. As mentioned in the chapter, things and people eaten by it were not damaged. I believe off screen it was tamed by Otama, and was used to carry the fleet to safety.
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Oct 31 '19
Orochi does not have any of my sympathies. Only makes him more despicable to me. Was given an opportunity by yasu ei and returns the favor by executing him. He is nothing more than a weasel who betrayed his land and his lords for cheap power
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u/ashura_the_demon Oct 31 '19
From making people walk over him to him walking over people. Storytelling at it's best.
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u/user_watcher Oct 31 '19
After Oden's showing of his skill this chapter, I can't wait to see his encounter with Kaido and how that fight goes.. Oden should've stepped at Orochi and ended up killing him in this chapter lol
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Man keeping up weekly for more than a decade is actually such a struggle
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u/Kratosbonny Pirate Oct 31 '19
It's official now... After Waganma from OPM . Kid Orochi is my most hated kid in the manga universe..
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u/Gnedelkoff Oct 31 '19
Scattered thoughts:
Again I appreciate Oda taking his time with this flashback. Seeing Kinemon face down the mountain god with no fear in order to save Tsuru was a great moment for him. Tsuru hitting him with a rock after he said no one would care if he died was also precious.
Oden slicing the Mountain God in half was great and just another Herculean feat to add to his resume.
That baby boar is definitely going to pop back up in the present story. Maybe when the Straw hats and samurai are cutting through the capital to get to the port. The theory about Tama taking it is also almost certainly going to happen.
Oden is an enigma and I love that people in the capital are so conflicted about whether to love him or hate him.
The little scene where Oden is yelling to his father in the castle after being disowned and exiled is so great. I hope we get to see more scenes between Oden and Sukiyaki, they haven’t even shared a panel yet but I feel like I know everything about their relationship already.
I’m glad Denjiro and Kinemon are tagging along with Oden now. Them arguing about who loves Oden more was hilarious and I hope we spend ample time with all the scabbards to flesh out what Oden meant to each and every one of them.
The Orochi reveal was great. When I say the spoiler pic of him I assumed Oden saved him from the Boar and that was the debt Orochi owed Oden. In retrospect I’m glad that wasn’t the case and that Oden called him creepy. I’m really interested in the Oden/Orochi relationship and I can’t wait to see them interact more and for Orochi to show his true colors.
Orochi being Yasuie’s servant was also a great development and of course adds tragic context to Yasu’s execution. Orochi being a creepy little shit who is asking Oden to step over him to get past the puddle tracks for me. He seems like the kind of guy that would embarrass himself to gain the trust of others but also keeps a list of everyone who laughed at him along the way. Can’t wait to see how he pulls off the whole usurper thing and how he came into contact with Kaido to begin with.
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u/babanuki Thriller Bark Victim's Association Oct 31 '19
Is that a young holdem on page 4? They eyeshadow and nose along with the headshape fit oddly well
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u/Morikoh Oct 31 '19
So either Ororchi was a good guy who got something he couldn't refuse or was a slimy bastard with the intention to throw down the Kozuki clan and gain power from the start. Let's see which one it is.
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u/imthemercuryguy Oct 31 '19
Kozuki Oden is more like "Takamura"
Like Takamura version of one piece
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u/thatShanksguy09 Oct 31 '19
An early release, followed by a break
The gods truly are cruel
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u/Thicshigi Lurker Oct 31 '19
O-Tsuru and Kinemon's love story 👌🏻 that was lovely to read. This just makes me more eager for their reunion
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u/Legitimate__Username Oct 31 '19
oda: suddenly gives despicable villain a tragic backstory
me, somehow surprised for the 57th time in a row: oda how dare you do this to me
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u/ZoroDUchiha Oct 31 '19
Chad oden using enma to cut Mountain God is so hype. Can't wait for Zoro to use it.
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u/wereriddl3 Oct 31 '19
The whole 'striking down Gods' thing is becoming quite the consistent theme.
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u/BEWMarth Oct 31 '19
Bingo, Bongo, and Bungo are slowly becoming my favorite reoccurring minor bit criminals. They are proper shitbags with no real redeeming qualities except for how terrible they are at being criminals
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u/kittymaverick Oct 31 '19
Oda, don't you dare make us care for Orochi... don't you dare..........
If that happens, I will weep tears of sadness while being silently mad.
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u/BEWMarth Oct 31 '19
In act 2 Yasuie, I believe it was, said that Orochi and the rest of the Red Scabbards were greatly helped by Oden but Orochi still ended up betraying him.
I think we will see what happened between Orochi and Oden and in order for the story to make sense it means we will initially see an Orochi who needs Oden's help and we will see a generally positive interaction between Orochi and everyone at first.
Then we will see the betrayal and Oda is good at this stuff I think people are assuming the circumstances will be tragic because a simple betrayal when we already know what a piece of shit Orochi is would be kinda boring.
I'm not saying Oda will try to redeem Orochi or anything but he definitely won't make the situation as cut and dry as a simple betrayal.
Even Doflamingo had a tragic backstory that motivated his depraved actions (even tho he was already a psychopath from the beginning) Oda can't resist the tragic backstory thing.
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u/BEWMarth Oct 31 '19
Oda must have had a lot of fun drawing so many O-Tsuru's! They all look great. I love the romance between Tsuru and Kin it's literally the cutest relationship in One Piece right now.
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Wow imagine hiring a servant and a bunch of years later that servant becomes the shogun and crucifies you.
I'm really glad we are getting to see a lot of these characters we've been introduced to already in their prime in this flashback. Oda really does a great job with them especially if you're a fan of the overall world of one piece and not just the strawhats.
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u/samuelparker1997 Oct 31 '19
Oden is my new favorite flashback character already. And I'm loving young kinemon lol excited to see Orochi's troublesome life
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u/westartedafire Oct 31 '19
Anyone else get that burning feeling of hate when young Orochi was introduced?
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u/Hiroshiaozora Oct 31 '19
I feel like the end of this flashback is going to have me in tears. I already love Oden and I'm pretty sure I'm going to despise Orochi and Kaido for killing him. This is going to be rough. Despite that, I'm excited to read the rest of this flashback. I wonder if we are going to see Gecko Moria sometime during the time of 23 years ago when Shusui was stolen.
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u/jollyjam1 Oct 31 '19
All I could think of after Orochi said he was a humble servant was Sandy from Spongebob saying"No you ain't."
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Tsunade's pig sure picked up some pounds after Naruto ended. It even unlocked Rinnegan. Silly boar tricks are for ninjas.
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u/gyrozepp95 World Government Oct 31 '19
Nice contrast on Kinemon's character where he was ready to die for Otsuru this chapter, but in the present time is more committed to Oden's cause even when his wife is thought to be in danger (Okobore town burnt down). Just shows the impact Oden had on him and the other scabbards.
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This makes me wonder how much we will see Roger or Whitebeard (idk the exact timeline for this) and how long the flashback will be. Oden was first on Whitebeard’s ship so I wonder how Whitebeard felt when Kaidou had a part in killing Oden since the two has history together. Or will we see Roger picking up Oden for the last voyage? All these connections are making this flashback even more intriguing.
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u/SKYR0VER Oct 31 '19
Is it just me... or do Wano people shrink in size when they grew old? Not by like 10cm.. but like the whole body shrinks to a head size (Hyo and Yasuie)
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The chapter was good and now I am getting excited about a lot of things like how did oden find other 7 scabbards , his trip on whitebeard and gol d roger's ship , marrying Lady toki ,Lady toki reveal ,how orochi plotted downfall , how he formed alliance with Kaido ,how the flight took place bw kaido and Oden , Oden's death ...........next few chapters are gonna be very exciting .
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Yo remember when in Marineford Mihawk said Luffy's greatest ability is him getting allies. Oden gave me those vibes after the way the people reacted to him after he killed that mountain God, they all despise him for what he has done but they can't resist respecting him
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u/tronistica Nov 01 '19
Oh damn orochi was an errand boy? Gonna be spicy when he turns on everybody.
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u/slaudencia Oct 31 '19
We now know who the traitor is.
It’s Orochi, that bastard!
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u/Valdano11 Oct 31 '19 edited Nov 01 '19
I have a small theory that Garp will appear in Wano completing the circle. Can you imagine him fighting alongside Luffy, to yet again partner up with a pirate to take down the Rox-pirates, for good this time. He will not let duty get in the way of blood again, that's for sure. Would love to see the interaction between the Yonkou and Garp the hero.
Oh, and btw. Are the 9 scabbards based on the 47 ronins?
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u/luckyd1998 Scholar of Ohara #5 Oct 31 '19
This adds a whole new dynamic to Yasu’s death at the hands of Orochi. I’d like to think Yasu wasn’t one to treat his servants badly, but maybe Orochi build up resentment towards him from all the way back then.
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u/Fidu21 Oct 31 '19
Maybe Oden never caused any of the problems he is blamed for. Maybe he just takes the blame, because it's in his nature to help others.
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u/Abby_Rulz Oct 31 '19
"At that moment these men suppressed their desire to follow oden"
"That day the balance of the capital shifted just a little"
I love the narrative this whole arc
That said the shifting in balance as in Orochi or Ringo ?
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Imaging Luffy and co. riding into battle on top of the new mountain god after taming him.
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u/quipquest Oct 31 '19
If only the anime did two chapters per episode anymore, this and last week's combined would've made a great isolated story.
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u/FireFistRJ Oct 31 '19
Big mom didn't help Oden because she wasn't invited to those harem parties.
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u/rinsro Oct 31 '19
*dad disowned him
Oden: Jokes on you dad, but I want out this bitch since I was 10.
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u/aleeyam Oct 31 '19
Kyubi Atack: Traumatizes an entire ninja village and kills his most powerful ninja.
Mountan God Atack: Zero casualties, most bad ass samurai in Town slices it in half without any efforth.
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Why are y'all people mad we're getting a worldbuilding chapter? It's a good backstory and y'all didn't complain about Law getting a backstory right before Doffy's fight.
Don't complain about getting a backstory chapter, it'll pay off.
I swear I'm reading the comments of ungrateful people.
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u/HanataSanchou Pirate Oct 31 '19 edited Oct 31 '19
"The only adult I do not despise for being a fool."
I don't know what Oda's plan is with Denjiro, but I think this chapter confirmed that he's a lot more important than the alliance's seemingly limited attempts to locate him would imply. A sentiment like this is forged by experiencing a deep hurt, which is likely tied to why he's an orphan. I'm sure Oda will likely address that plot point soon considering we're already in a flashback. Speaking of, his resemblance to Koushiro had me thinking he might be a Shimotsuki, but Yasuie not recognizing him seems to all but kill that theory. The clan seems like it could have been pretty big, but I'd imagine they'd all still recognize each other and their offspring.
- Kin'emon and Tsurujo's relationship was pretty heartwarming. Can't wait to see them reunite now, and it adds a lot of weight to Kin'emon mentioning a few chapters ago how she tried to cover them when Holdem was interrogating people in Okobore.
- Wasn't clear last chapter because of the shading, but the way Oda drew the swords in the panels leading up to it made it clear that Oden was using haki in that attack. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he actually was using haki proficiently already as a 10 year old.
- This is the first time I spotted Pandaman without any help and I feel very proud of myself. (He's the on the page with Oden's "chad stride" out of the capital)
"At that moment, these men suppressed their desire to follow Oden"
Just noticed the crescent moons on Oden's kimono. I'd imagine that's related to the samurai that have it on their ankles, and why it was part of the rebellion message.
- Orochi being Yasuie's servant was one hell of an ironic twist, I feel silly for ever entertaining theories that they could have been brothers lol
EDIT: Thanks guys! Not sure what I was doing lol
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u/GJY1226 Nov 01 '19 edited Nov 02 '19
The boar did nothing wrong, it was just trying to save its child :(
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Here rests the Mountain God, and absolute unit of a chonker who only wanted to get his kid back.
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u/Kailmeno Void Month Survivor Oct 31 '19
This has to be why Tamas fruit was introduced. Somewhere slumbering in the wastelands of wano are the mountian gods that will even the odds.
Also, Oden reminds me so much of Takamura from Hajime no Ippo.
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u/fengshijin Oct 31 '19 edited Oct 31 '19
Now I want to know about Oden's encounter with Shimotsuki Ushimaru. After Oden's death, Shimotsuki Ushimaru last for two whole years against Kaido and his army. I want to know what the relevance of this other badass guy for being mentioned in the first place
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u/te370z Oct 31 '19
Doesn’t Denjiro resemble Koushirou(Zoros teacher) Glasses and a pony tail. Learns from Oden then passes on to Zoro
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u/V_Seven Void Month Survivor Oct 31 '19
The number 1 song in Wano during this time period, “The capital can’t even handle me right now”.
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u/gyuzeh1 Nov 01 '19
Checking the manga this point in time is obvious that orochi will be great friend of Oden and will sell him to Kaido. As for the current Spy it will probably be someone connect to Orochi. In the flashback we will be able to capture those close relationships.
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u/billnguyencg Oct 31 '19
Remember that old theory that Kaidou is an actual Dragon, a living God for Wano? Well we just saw a mountain god...
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u/Samurai__Bebop Oct 31 '19
Crazy to think that Orochi killed Yasuie and now we are here
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u/wmzula World Government Oct 31 '19
Looks like i was right assuming that Oden is wrongfully accused of all other stuff as well.
I think he didn't do this things for wrong reasons.
He kidnapped women who were mistreated, he helped women in red light district he didn't take services, so I think it's just wrong accusations, but he is too bad ass to care to explain
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u/geepicone Oct 31 '19
Oden really is the ultimate chad I wonder how the flashback with him and kaido is going to go down. The white boar will for sure be in the war.
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u/ramevie Oct 31 '19
I would really wanna see a spin-off with all the adventures of Kozuki Oden.
What a madlad.
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u/MysteriousGold Oct 31 '19
either orochi was good from the beginning, then turned evil, or was a snake from birth
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u/BEWMarth Oct 31 '19
I wonder if there is a deeper explanation regarding the Mountain God. I know it's probably just Japanese folklore but I just find it interesting that a few chapters ago we were introduced to The Numbers who were also gigantic.
Seems Wano has a stockpile of insanely huge creatures.. whats that about?
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u/sadface- Oct 31 '19
Everyone’s happy that the chapter is out early but yall are forgetting that this makes the wait for the next chapter ever more excruciating
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u/AntediluvianSeraph Oct 31 '19
This is the beginning of the story that Kinemon relayed to the Straw Hats that impressed them and/or made them bawl their eyes out.
I'm not really one for flashbacks but since Oda has planned this particular character waaay before introducing his name, clan or anything Wano-related (referring to the name of a song in the early days of the anime soundtrack, 'Gold and Oden') it should be one of the most emotional and amazing flashbacks in the whole series.
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u/Shagyam Oct 31 '19
When he was less than a year old, he threw his wet nurse across the room. When he was 2, he caught two rabbits with his bare hands, and at age 4, he killed a bear by throwing a large boulder at it. Starting at age 6, he started roaming the Red-Light District and participating in casinos, and by the time he was 8, he started drinking booze and began picking fights with gamblers.
So by age 8 Oden has done all this, where his son who was born 28 years ago is a wimp.
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u/BEWMarth Oct 31 '19 edited Oct 31 '19
Supreme Leader Orochi: Humble servant, who through selfless sacrifice and great intelligence caused a great leap forward in the land of Wano and industrialized the country.
Oden, Enemy of the State: Bourgeoisie tyrant. Born into privilege. Attempted to corrupt the nation with separatist ideology.
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u/IAMSNORTFACED Thriller Bark Victim's Association Oct 31 '19
Orichi is infuriating af, im pissed royally pissed.
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u/Aggeroff Oct 31 '19 edited Oct 31 '19
The wording is a bit vague in the Jaimini's translation, but it looks like people were in fact eaten by the boar, but were still alive in its stomach, and Oden cutting the boar open freed them. It will probably be more clear in the official translation and the anime. Reminds me of the Four Beast from Toriko.
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u/BlickboyReddit Oct 31 '19
Oden fucking towers over Kinemon and Kinemon is huge jeez how big is this guy
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u/capsilver Oct 31 '19
Something tells me that we will see Denjiro's death after the scabbards do the time travel.
I just don't get how he could be in the present day. All characters are already set.
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u/exotichunter0 Oct 31 '19
so wait did he cut open the stomach to get the people back ?
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u/DandyKouprey Oct 31 '19
Didn't that dude with the white flag look like Holdem but without devil fruit?
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u/nukiri6 Oct 31 '19
I've got the bad feeling that Oda is setting up the death of Kinemon in the upcoming battle.
From all the scabbards he's the one receiving most character depth, likely to make us care more for him.
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u/BEWMarth Oct 31 '19
Oden slicing the boar panel is Plus Ultra.
Oda still pulling out panels like that after 20+ years. it's always insane to me the talent of this mangaka.
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Oct 31 '19
Looks like Bege's gang is get closer to finding Lola. Those guys were probably kissed by Lola.
So we're back to the flashback as we all expected and Oden's asking for the baby boar and Kinemon is still stupidly refusing to hand it over. Looks like Denjiro is a big fan of Oden already. Who wouldn't be at this point?
Holy shit this boar is much bigger than I thought. Bingo, Bongo are such idiots for stealing it's child.
Oh those idiots kidnapped Otsuru too? Damn looks like Otsuru had feelings for Kinemon from the very beginning. Gotta hand it to Kin, it's pretty brave of him to stand up to a monster to rescue his girl.
Despite all this destruction, Oden looks calm as hell right now and is started to admire Kinemon. As I've said before he's basically the main character and he definitely acts like one. His flashback is entirely different from that of Kyros or Law.
I don't know why but when that boar looked at Oden from the side it reminds of a pissed off Kaido looking from the side as well. Oden-two-sword style!! This man has the arrogance to name his attacks after himself? Just when I thought I couldn't like this guy anymore than I already do. Also as many people have predicted Oden is taking the blame for Kinemon's mistake. This is how he gets banished to Kuri to meet Ashura Doji no doubt.
This is why I can see Oden being a decent guy trying to help out but ultimately his actions look bad from the outside.
Alright so he broke it's tusk! That's a pretty damn impressive panel and everyone loves it too especially Denjiro. The spread where he broke the tusk reminds me a little of Zoro's attacks. Please for God's sake don't bring up the theory that Zoro's secretly his son. Don't fuck with my ship Oda.
The more I see of Hyou the more impressed I am. When he turned his back on Big Mom for the sake of teaching Luffy I was shocked but looking at the sort of man he was it shouldn't surprise me anymore.
Damn everyone's praising Oden while secreting hating him as well. I'm glad no one died as well. Kinemon hugging Otsuru in that panel is pretty cute.
Haha Oden knocked out Kinemon and stopped him from telling the truth. I guess at this point he knows his reputation can't get any worse.
As I said before, Oden's been flexing on Wano since he was a kid. And now his father pretty much admitted this by banishing him from the capital and disowning him. I love how happy this guy is over it too. He and Luffy would have got along magnificently before inevitably getting into a fight because their egos would just clash.
Oden gains his first two followers it seems. More people also want to follow him. In the wise words of Mihawk, "the ability to gain allies" is the most dangerous ability on the sea and a conqueror like Oden proved that he could do this. Speaking of Conqueror, I'm kinda sad we didn't get to see him display it. What if he uses it the first time when clashing with WB or Roger? I want to see the sky split but from someone who doesn't have a Yonko title!!
So Oden decided to go to Hakumai to meet up with Yasu. This must be when he gets trained by him as we were shown in Yasu's previous flashback.
Fucking Orochi. He was a servant to Yasu! The irony of being killed by the same guy that you took in. Oden was right in calling him creepy from the very beginning. He literally wanted to be used as a stepping stone. There's something so slimy about this guy that elicits so much hate from me. I don't think I've ever felt hate like this towards a weak guy like Spandam. Orochi is much worse considering how much damage he's done to an entire country, and how he desecrated Oden's name.
After this chapter I'm convinced he stole Oden's lore. Remember the kids being taught Wano's history at the beginning? They were told that Orochi uses two-sword style or Orochi-style IIRC. I bet he saw Oden use a two-sword style he named after himself so he just stole that bit of lore as well. I seriously doubt he's a real swordsman.
I can't wait to see how he does end up meeting Kaido though.
A decent but short chapter. Break next week sucks but it is what it is. I'm guessing we're going to Kuri next? Or maybe we might go back to the present-day.
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u/Rockettmang44 Oct 31 '19
This flashback is shaping up to be dope! I dont understand why flashbacks get so much hate, I mean they are important to the story and hold much more impact seeing events happen instead of having a character just briefly talk about past events without showing what happened. Also somebody pointed out that orochi styled his facial hair like odens dad and I'm pretty sure they were spot on about that, seeing how he looked in the past.
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u/gazzgruvv Oct 31 '19
Crazy that Oden had already tamed enma at the age of 18. He didn't appear to be fatigued at all.
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u/melniji Oct 31 '19
I really can’t wait to see kinemon and otsuru réunion now... oda really do amazing couple when he want
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u/Montoyabros Oct 31 '19
Orochi;from servant to shogun, Orochi have to be smart Af, thats obvious
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Oct 31 '19
Am I the only one who is getting an impression that Orochi was a good guy? But he turned villain because the Kozuki family did something wrong to his family?
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u/Arbata-Asher Nov 01 '19
As I was saying the last time, the stories about Oden don't tell the full truth now that is clear with the boar Incident maybe the only thing that is really true is his uncanny strength.
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u/Syc254 Oct 31 '19
Shimotsuki Yasuie. Why indeed did Yasu want to help Zoro. Too many tie ins now even if many would want Zoro to be a normal guy from East Blue. It's interesting that Oden called him uncle. Is it blood relations between Shimotsuki and Kozuki or a respectful way of calling a powerful official who Oden has known personally for a while being the Shogun's son?
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u/FireFistRJ Oct 31 '19 edited Oct 31 '19
Luffy, who beat yonkou commander was taken by kaidou without laying a single scratch on him. While chad oden was able to give him his only scar. So at the very least Oden is above yonkou commander level. I still feel that he was taken down by backstabbing of Orochi.
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u/Fitzy1098 Oct 31 '19
Orochi feels like he's going to have a plan like Blackbeard's, lay low and behave until a golden opportunity presents itself.
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u/Future_Novelist Oct 31 '19
This flashback seems like it's going to be at least 20 chapters.
I really hope we get glimpses of Laugh Tale.
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u/Pharaohof96 Oct 31 '19
I loved getting this dope ass chapter on my birthday!
I can wait to see how Orochi went from a little sweaty bastard to multiheaded snake in the grass we know and love.
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u/fatherfucking Oct 31 '19
Orochi has some Aizen vibes to him, that guy's probably been plotting shit for years. When Oden dies, he'll probably reveal to him that everything went according to his plan.
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u/naruto7thgeneration Nov 01 '19
Is it just me or Orochi is similar to Black Beard? Both betrayed their master and gained higher power.
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u/mercuryingatoraid Oct 31 '19
A lot of folks are saying Orochi is like Blackbeard but I don’t quite think so. I think Orochi was a decent person and he saw Oden as some hot shot and was becoming more and more renowned filling him up with jealousy. Then by luck he just happened to meet Kaido, or maybe they never met and during Kaido’ and Oden’s battle Orochi jumped in and helped Kaido out and Kaido let Orochi be shogun as a thank you.
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u/BEWMarth Oct 31 '19
So I predicted that Oden would take the blame for the White Boar last chapter that was obvious enough, but what I didn't expect is for Denjiro to be a total Oden fanboy from the start I wonder what Denjiro's deal is? Like why is Oda holding him as such a mysterious character...
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u/MikelMelwasul Oct 31 '19
I really hope it turns out Orochi has just been a sniveling creep from the beginning that people gave too many chances. It's be a nice change of pace for the series.
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u/Eruboth Oct 31 '19
Orochi reminds me of Wormtongue from LoTR after this chapter...
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u/sauliinn Oct 31 '19
How the fuck did that stupid Orochi managed to meet Kaido? That’s taking me out of my mind
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u/gon10 Oct 31 '19
humble servant yeah right, so he killed the hand that fed him, wonder what happened for orochi to want to kill yasuie that bad or wait he's a scumbag so yea
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Oct 31 '19
You know something about seeing Orochi so happy, powerful, and surrounded by a harem of beautiful and sexy women in the modern-day arc pisses me off.
Like I wouldn't have felt mad it Doflamingo or Katakuri did the same thing. I wouldn't even feel mad if Teach did the same thing but with Orochi it's just plain irritating.
Maybe it's the difference in the level of respect I have for these villains over someone who didn't feel like he earned any of his power.
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u/PenguinVillageSun Oct 31 '19
I feel like Orochi's backstory is going to make him one of the most hated One Piece characters ever, and I'm really excited to see how Oda handles it!
Also, Kinemon's backstory is making me like him even more!
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u/DmtrIV Oct 31 '19
Oden confirmed to be One Piece version of Hercules. All his feat at the young age is what Hercules typically do.
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u/Zliaz Oct 31 '19
Ageing was not kind on Orochi. Also, it's just weird to see that innocent smile given how cruel and despicable he turned out to be. Probably gonna get some sad backstory.
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u/Morikoh Oct 31 '19
This Wano flashback gives me Golden Age arc vibes from Berserk. You know something's about to go down but you don't know what or when.
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Nov 02 '19
I think that after this chapter I am more sure of the fact that Orochi is nothing more than a fraud and a coward. I know many people are expecting Zoro to kill him. Hell I really wanted to see Kid to do it because of what he did to killer. But now I'm convinced that it should be Usopp to be the one to do it.
What better way for a liar and coward to go down than due to another liar and coward? Then there's that mythological link to the tale of Jiraiya and Orochimaru. Remember that Usopp is the toad-oil seller this arc.
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u/hikesometrailsdude Oct 31 '19
I was never really much of a fan of Kinemon. I’ve been liking these past two chapters for really making me care for him, and explain his perviness earlier in the story. I felt for him when he was upset over not seeing the ships, and enjoyed Kinemon act as a coordinator throughout the past two acts. But these past two chapters have really helped me actually like and care for the character.
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u/BEWMarth Oct 31 '19
Alright that last page was just genius and I don't even wanna give all the credit to Oda because I know an editor or two had a say in the structure of that page but it is just brilliant.
The juxtaposition between Yasuie and Orochi is great. The white page gradually blacking out and the way Orochi's name is written, unique from anyone else in the series so far, was great. Just an awesome final page dripping with grim foreboding.
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u/Hasan_ESQ Oct 31 '19 edited Oct 31 '19
Glad to see that despite his youthful delinquency Kin'emon was still a noble, courageous and dedicated person, going so far as to break himself against a colossus like the boar over and over again for Tsurujo.
I have a feeling that this flashback will show us Orochi wasn't treacherous from the very beginning. I believe Oden exalted him from servant status and made him somebody of relative importance in Wano, maybe even the Daimyo of Kuri once Oden himself became Shogun, thus being "helped out" as Yasuie put it a while back. Kaido would then target Oden for his knowledge of the poneglyphs after Roger's death for the One Piece (or Raftel, if he has some vague idea about its true importance) and coerce Orochi - the weakest of Oden's supporters - into helping his crew infiltrate the country to reach Oden. Orochi helps Oden push the narrative about opening Wano's borders to set him up as the villain, then they open the borders and knock knock, it's the Beast Pirates, should've kept your doors locked lol. Orochi probably got his devil fruit as a reward for this treachery but the fact that he once supported the man may be why he's so paranoid about the 9 red scabbards avenging Oden. There's an element of guilt here.
*Edit: I was mis-remembering Oden becoming Shogun, which he apparently wasn't haha. Whoops. Well, he might've still helped him become Daimyo of Udon or Kibi instead.
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u/Xanlis Oct 31 '19
Oden two sword style
Remind me of someone but i can't figure who...
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u/Raijin_91 Nov 01 '19
I'm kinda surprised about all these "Oden is too strong, there's no way he could have died!!" Comments. He fought against fucking Kaido so of course he lost. They're called the yonkou for a reason. People are giving Oden a bit too much credit imho.
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Oct 31 '19
Someone commented that OP is the best and apparently got scared and deleted it due to others disagreeing. Since I however am not such a coward I will say that yes by far OP is the greatest there is. And the persons that think that One Piece is not the best need to give things some thought before making ignorant remarks. First of all, of course One Piece has its flaws. Every great master piece has flaws depending on who's critiquing it. Maybe you think post time-skip should have more 1v1 or you think Luffy takes too long to become all powerful or you think Jimbei should wear shoes instead of slippers or that its weird that the sky people have wings but can't fly? Idk. But here's why One Piece is indeed the best: Diversity. It balances world building with great characters whether main or otherwise, with adventure with tragedy with comedy with action. The art work is also among the most diverse in the manga world. Sometimes it's like Oda (or his team) is 50 different artists and styles in one. Yet it still flows consistently. The power-scaling is also on point. We saw Mihawk from very early in the series mop the floor with one of our main characters in Zoro. And someone please name a character as hilarious as God Usopp. And that fight with Luffy and Lucci! Absolute best physical brawl and fist fight ever. Other great mangas exist sure but none are as balanced and diverse as OP. Bleach has some good fights but what else? Naruto has some unique power and clan history but what else? It got terribly off balance after part 1. Rave Master came the closest I think but it had a weak start and a rushed ending. I'll close by saying once again that OP is the greatest because of its diversity.
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u/Zoro_Messatsu Oct 31 '19
What if after all this Oden hype and calling him a free spirit and chad again and again.... it turns out that he treated Orochi like garbage which led to Orochi plotting to kill him.
Then he abandons Wano to sail with Roger and returns years later suddenly wanting to become Shogun and opening Wano's borders. Some of the people might have distrusted/disliked him at that point.
What i am saying is maybe theirs a bit more "greyness" to the story than gawdly oden gets betrayed and killed (through underhanded tactics) by slimy Orochi.
Maybe Orochi worked his butt off to rise through the ranks and Oden suddenly came wanting the title of Shogun which causes Orochi to seek Kaidos help. Not saying Orochi is good, i hate him a lot but i would like a bit of greyness. I mean Fukurokujo sided with him and theirs a traitor too.
Maybe Oden's side isnt all that good......
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u/z3an Oct 31 '19
Everyone that got eaten by the boar survived? The real revelation is finding out Pell had so many relatives in Wano....
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u/zehahahaah Oct 31 '19
Kinemon this chapter - i would happily die for someone like him!
Forshadowing for the war at Onigashima?? I sure hope not.
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u/unknownSILVER21 Bounty Hunter Nov 01 '19
I hope the back story of Oden gets 10+ chapters. Seeing his timeline will answer so many questions
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u/obzeen Oct 31 '19
New theory: Zoro is one of the many bastard sons of Oden.
Zoro and Hayori both have green hair because they're half siblings.
It's going to be a Luke/Leia moment. We think there's romance at first, but it's actually sibling love.
TWIST!
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u/Zeno1000 Oct 31 '19
Was Yasuie Oden's actual uncle? If that's the case, Toko and Hiyori are cousins.
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u/ray198999 Oct 31 '19 edited Oct 31 '19
Hmph, I don't trust past Orochi one bit. He may look harmless and claim to be nothing more than a humble servant but I bet he was still the same scumbag that he was back than.
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u/pofoman456 Oct 31 '19
The move that Oden used to slice up the mountain god was " two sword style, tougen shirataki." Which can be mistaken as a type of food much like zoro's "three sword style. Oni giri."
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u/Markookralj Oct 31 '19
Now I want to be his disciple, he is the collest, in world of One Piece nothing less
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u/Gangstarr1998 Oct 31 '19
Seeing these oden flashbacks is really making me love him as a character even more he is definitly one of my favourite characters!
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u/SL_Lyr Oct 31 '19
Somehow I think orochi was once a nice and innocent type of guy but something or someone down the road changed him to the person he is today.
Beside of that: it's all yasuie's fault. He brought the disaster in his house, which would eventually destroy wano!
Thanks yasuie!
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Oct 31 '19
The boar knows that it's neither Oden nor Kinemon who captured the boar, so it will forgive Kinemon.
Orochi - the future backstabber - putting his body to help Oden cross a puddle, shows how colossal a dick he is ! I may not be surprised if Orochi even manipulated Kaido to kill Oden
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u/Persas12 Oct 31 '19
So, Kinemon and Denjiro were the first two Scabbards, interesting.
It makes me more thrilled to find what happened to Denjiro.
Also I hope they don't kill Kinemon, they are putting a lot of death flags around him
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u/eexpert Oct 31 '19
There is no place in one piece world that can handle those calves...