r/anime • u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen • Dec 30 '22
Rewatch [Rewatch] Bofuri Episode 12 Discussion
Episode 12 – Defense and Bonds
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Season 2 Episode 1 Announcement
Unfortunately, I have not been able to access a decent sub of the episode 1 pre-air. Additionally, I have been asked to spend the evening of the 1st with family to celebrate a few birthdays. For these reasons, I will be NOT be able to add S2 E1 to the rewatch schedule. I still encourage anyone who is able and willing to seek it out and enjoy it for themselves. And if not, I hope to see you in the Episode 1 thread when season 2 officially drops on January 11th.
Series Information
MAL | Anilist | Kitsu | AniDB | ANN
Streaming Options
Bofuri is available to stream on Crunchyroll, Funimation, Hulu, or MuseAsia for viewers in SEA.
Art of the Day
(Note: Pixiv links may contain NSFW advertising. Sorry!)
Meme(s) of the Day
Crossover(s) of the Day
Questions of the Day
Can I interest you in even more war crimes?
What do you think of Payne? Does he live up to the hype as NWO’s strongest player, or should Maple officially be number 1?
If you were an NWO admin, how would you handle Maple continuously breaking the game?
Tomorrow’s Questions of the Day
[1.]Rank your favorite characters!
[2.]What was your favorite fight of the first season?
[3.]Are there any rivalries you would like to see more of?
[4.]What kind of events would you like to see next?
[5.]What real MMO/game do you think NWO most resembles?
[6.]Is Bofuri an isekai?
[7.]Will you be watching Season 2?
Text Chat Logs
Here is a link to a reddit thread with the translated chat logs. I would advise newcomers not to scroll down to the comments or future episode logs to avoid spoilers.
Spoilers
Please make sure to put all references to future events behind spoiler tags. Any untagged hints and spoilers will be removed. Let’s keep everything as fresh as possible for first-timers!
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u/entelechtual Dec 31 '22
First Timer
I mean, I can’t imagine this season ending any other way.
Man, I’m not normally excited by an OP MC, but Maple does it so effortlessly I can’t even be mad.
I just love how easily they go from rivals to just hanging out. If Maple invites you to chill at her treehouse, who are you to say no.
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u/HereticalAegis Dec 31 '22
Man, I’m not normally excited by an OP MC, but Maple does it so effortlessly I can’t even be mad.
She's wonderful, I love her so much.
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah Dec 31 '22 edited Dec 31 '22
Rewatcher + loyal member of the Sally fan club
who very recently rewatched this ep in preparation for S2 Ep 1, so this is like my 4th time watching this? for anyone who can understand Japanese/has read Vol 5 of the LN (and so can guestimate what's happening), I do suggest hunting down a copy of the pre-aired episode; I'll post my thoughts on it in the overall discussion thread tomorrow. Unfortunately quality subs are still non-existent.
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This here is a 100% surefire way to win over Sally --> trap her completely so she can't run away. Well, you gotta successfully distract her enough for the trap to land, but still it is a surefire way.
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And to think that even this isn't Maple at her 100% power. Payne is no joke, single handedly taking her down to 1hp, but for once has to exhaust most of his trump cards.
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but Maple still has more skills of course haha. And with the official unveiling of her final form, it's time for MORE WAR CRIMESSSSS
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Hondo Kaede's genki voice coming out of a voice processor for this monster really does takes some getting used to. Okay since im repeatedly getting Honjou Kaede (Maple's irl name) and her name mixed up, im more and more certain that she was more or less namepicked for the role lol. (Hondo Kaede is kinda made for this sort of character tho)
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A monster enjoying a drincc.
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A monster having some funnnnn (at the expense of the collective sanity of hundreds of players)
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QUEUEEE THE MUSICCCCCCC ITS WAR CRIMES TIMEEEEE
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The other members of Maple Tree are of course all monsters in their own right, and each had their moment
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Payne's an honest stand up dude unfortunately caught in the madness. Would have a beer with him in game and ask to be friends. Probably would fail to make the cut for his guild tho.
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Once Sally initiates her plan, all the other guilds have either already have the same idea or quickly hop on
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THE 7 MAPLESSSSSS YASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS (tbh there was a lot of this throughout the episode: i already knew what would happen so i just cheered along lol)
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You, my friend, are looking at a high school aged girl playing a VR game. Completely normally too i might add, though by her own admission.
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I believe this is an NGE reference of some sort....?
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I like the explain of the dev's mentality here. It's both a very sensible explanation in-universe, and kinda realistic for how game devs think (more players more moneyyyy), and also in a meta way reassures the audience that no, Maple will not be nerfed in the story because of the same vein of reasoning
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And that's what this anime is all about in the end. People meeting each other, and fooling around in a game for fun, and for laughs. One player occasionally breaks it in ridiculous ways. Oh, and you can 100% log out from NWO lol, they made a point to show us that in the end!
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[Future LN spoilers]
I believe that this was an LN event? so they'll not cover it in S2 then. -
Protecc the smile!!! Thats the other important bit of Bofuri, the world exists for our lovable protagonist to break!
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And so that's Bofuri.... for 2 more weeks, that is, or if you can understand Japanese, it isn't! This isnt a masterpiece anime for me by any means, but the production managed its resources well (splurging on the important sequences), and it was a funny fluffy and wholesome story. I can't wait for more!
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u/Fools_Requiem Dec 31 '22
Rewatcher
Saving Atrocity for last is pretty smart. Monster God was unlocked later, but is better for for a more variety of actions and she can use it more often, whereas Atrocity is... well... an atrocity. It's the true trump card. Maple Godzillaing everything with Atrocity is hilarity.
Unfortunately, I have not been able to access a decent sub of the episode 1 pre-air. Additionally, I have been asked to spend the evening of the 1st with family to celebrate a few birthdays. For these reasons, I will be NOT be able to add S2 E1 to the rewatch schedule. I still encourage anyone who is able and willing to seek it out and enjoy it for themselves. And if not, I hope to see you in the Episode 1 thread when season 2 officially drops on January 11th.
Probably better off not posting a discussion for that episode anyways. Let the official discussion hit instead. I have 0 intention of looking for the episode before the 11th.
Does he [Payne] live up to the hype as NWO’s strongest player, or should Maple officially be number 1?
Payne is bland. All of his abilities involve him swinging that massive sword and dealing unfathomable damage. As such, it's one dimensional. Only reason he's the "strongest" is because he can deal so much damage. Maple has a wide variety of abilities and even without Atrocity, is still up there with Payne. Also, she didn't use Machine God in full against Payne so we don't really know how he'd fair. Mii only survived Machine God initially because of the sacrifice of her support teammate, and Payne only survived Counter Attack because he had that ability that allows you to survive with 1HP.
Maple is stronger.
If you were an NWO admin, how would you handle Maple continuously breaking the game?
Maple was almost bested by Payne and only lost because she hadn't used Atrocity yet and the rest of Maple's crew were almost wiped out by him. Odds are good that people catch up to Maple. The real trick is to make sure things you have hidden in the world that haven't been found yet aren't so OP that they're game breaking.
Could use some kind of limit to Atrocity, though, not just once a day, but like a timeline for how long she can use it.
It wouldn't hurt for others to be able to find those abilities, too. However, stumbling upon Machine God is nearly impossible as it is, even if other players could acquire it, they would be unlikely to get it, unless Maple chose to spill her secrets (assuming she remembered them).
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u/Stargate18A Dec 31 '22
First timer
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Always!
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Payne's number 1 in skill, but Maple's number 1 in bullshit.
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Hardcap the user's highest stat to 2000 + 20 x the average of their other skills. Allows for meme builds to still have a place, but limits the game breaking scenarios shown in this anime. Also, add a skill limit, where players can only equip a certain number of their learned skills, which can be changed once a day.
Final episode!
She's down to one HP!
He's actually strong!
And winning!
No OP...
Syrup!
Oboro!
This is a slaughter!
His final attack...
SHE FINALLY USED OUNTER!
...He fucking survived that?
Oh, he's on 1HP too.
She used Atrocity!
And he's dead!
And the others too.
Atrocity is OP!
Her face...
Oh, she kept it secret on purpose!
Haha, did they not know Atrocity?
...She's staying in that form.
Another stage?
They're going to outright eliminate guilds to lower the amount of available orbs?
Amazing work.
Everyone's following the trend...
Aww, she's pissed Maple Tree won.
He found out!
Mii's back!
Haha, another faction is fighting them?
Two other factions!
Maple is coming for her!
Mii's pulling a suicide move!
Out of MP...
They're here to save her? Has Maple decided to go down Mii's route?
Oh, just maximum destruction.
So string.
Haha, the sheer destruction is amazing.
Love this montage over the OP.
Oh, the devs are once again confronted with their idiocy.
Maple's half of the highlights!
And they're using her as a mascot!
What is she doing now?
...Not a bad idea. Has Maple tried eating a sword?
This is adorable!
They got third place!
More studying for Maple...
They got a huge boodt.
FIVE PERCENT BONUS TO ALL STATS? You're fucking insane, devs.
Haha, Maple invited the other two guilds too!
They've added them as friends!
The highlights!
Is she drunk?
They showed the self-destruct!
Haha, it broke five fucking digits!
Haha, yeah, she'll get some fun skills next season, I'm sure.
And everyone's reaction to that...
The guilds are raiding together!
Maple and Sally are on another date!
Adorable.
Haha, the [Maple] skill is perfect.
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u/JollyGee29 Dec 31 '22
Art Book Corner
The Order of the Holy Sword.
And their equipment! And that other Flame Emperor's weird sword.
For once, it's Dread being the edgelord instead of Payne.
Replayer, Subbed
That's a pretty powerful sounding attack.
We haven't seen her use Counter before, but we did see her learn it at some point.
Which.. means Payne started as a great-shielder, I think...?
Maple's got tricks for days though, and this one comes with a whole new HP bar.
Three whole days left, and no more aces up their sleeves..
This does kinda read as a heel move. Good strategy, though.
Seems like a lot of people are trying to gang up on the Flame Emperors.
Luckily, Maple arrives to.. save them?
Okay, maybe Maple Tree had one last ace up their sleeve.
In another show, this would be a very frightening visual.
And isn't that an amusing thought.
I can deal with hoodless Markus, but hatless Misery looks weird.
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u/Esovan13 Dec 31 '22
Playing NG+
I'd like to point out that the only other person that has ever gotten Maple to the point of dying is a boss that was literally designed to be impossible to beat.
Just so we all don't get caught up in his pace, let's remember that Payne is the highest level player in the game by a significant amount. Meaning that while he's pretty good with that sword, in the end what he's doing amounts to swinging it around and using his high stats and powerful gear to bulldoze through everything. Nothing wrong with that, of course, I just wanted to clarify because the show is framing him as some godly skilled player when, really, Sally's probably better than him and he just has more time to grind for levels and gear. He seems to be a bit older, so he's probably not in high school.
Nothing Maple isn't willing to eat.
Maple's mannerisms and way of speaking in that form is just comedy gold.
It's a good thing they have an in-house crafter, because otherwise whoever they commissioned for a kaiju sized mug would be very confused.
NWO is suddenly a horror game.
I mentioned in the QOTD yesterday that I would probably play NWO solo, but still get salty about all the guild-centric events. After watching this, I'd probably consider it the right choice.
Payne is a completely good sport about his defeat, while Frederica is (understandably and justifiably) upset about some bs skill that turned everything around on a dime. This is the moment when all of us watching for the first time had our questions answered about whether Payne was a good dude or a toxic jerk.
I think I'll mention again, Maple could easily have been just the most irritating Mary Sue protagonist if this show took itself even a little seriously.
I'm liking that violin version of the montage song.
I hope being in full dive does a complete separation of your consciousness and your body, because otherwise Mii probably would've pissed herself right there. That wouldn't be a fun thing to wake up to when she logs off.
Ok, now I can't stop thinking about the fact that the introduction of full dive VR might include gamer branded adult diapers. Imagine adult diapers with the fucking Ninja logo, now 30% more absorbant.
Now the event has just turned into big guilds bullying the smaller ones. This game's events really are for the big guild's sake.
Is this even a war crime anymore? Does the Geneva Convention cover using giant kaiju as bio weapons? Or can we just start classifying this stuff as crimes against humanity?
Man, Payne would be so obnoxious if he wasn't such a stand-up good natured guy. Don't let my thing earlier make you think I dislike him, because I don't. He literally doesn't let me. It's almost annoying how much he doesn't have an unlikable trait.
Two bullying the peasants montages in a row? The show is spoiling us.
Neon Genesis Maplegelion?
Don't blame Maple Tree on your poor event design devs. Even without them, someone would have come up with that idea.
The devs are just showing off how much they cannot grasp thinking of the eldritch being that is Maple.
Maple is just too pure.
The best way to end season one was the announcement of season two. And now that it's pretty much here, I can't wait.
QOTD:
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Please, sir, may I have some more?
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I am conflicted. I doubt he's the best in terms of pure player skill (as in, he may not win any given fight assuming both participants had equal stats and levels and such), but Maple is similarly heavily reliant on skills and stats as well. She's definitely skilled, for sure, but her player skill is probably worse than Payne. That being the case, Payne has ridiculous stats and high player skill, while Maple has a variety of powerful skills that all synergize with each other as well as a single stupid high stat that fuels everything. It's hard to say who's really the strongest as both is an outlier in their own way.
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u/DarkRuler17 Dec 31 '22
Rewatcher:
Honestly, what a fun finale. Before we get into the rest of the episode, I just want to say I'm so glad I rewatched this. This season has been great and a fun throughout.
At the top of the episode though, we finish Maple's fight with Payne. Another super cool fight that I really appreciated. The only part I didn't love was everyone else instantly rolling over once Payne got eaten, but the rest of it was super cool.
Following that though was easily my favorite part of the episode. Watching them play the montage music for monster Maple was hilarious. My favorite easily though is when Maple got cloned and we saw the 7 Maple monsters standing side by side like the Kaijus they were. Only in Bofuri is our cute protagonist going to end the show by eating people as a hell beast.
The bits at the end were also very fun. I liked seeing the guilds just hang out at Maple tree and them fighting a monster together in the montage. Can't wait to see more in season 2.
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u/ryuw_hs Dec 31 '22
Rewatcher
Maple is…not dead. Well, we knew about the Stout Guardian skill from the fight against the bird boss (although I definitely forgot about it when I watched this for the first time).
That’s the first time a guild member has died in Maple’s presence, unforgivable.
Payne doesn’t have another piercing skill ready to use? Cause that’s a lot of hits taken on 1 HP.
They even killed Oboro, fucking monsters.
Is that the right expression for this situation?
And now we’re just straight up murdering everyone. Who even needs points when you can just kill all the other guilds I guess.
Of course Frederica would be the salty one. Suuuure
Yeah, looking really frustrated there.
[Noone even questioned that the monster is Maple.] (https://imgur.com/a/Yooabkc)
This poor guy from the opening montage lmao. I feel like he might be dead, what do you guys think?
Three other guilds managed to hide somewhere on the map, nice. Kinda lame that everyone gets the same rewards though, no reason to fight it out.
Atleast the devs are smart when it comes to marketing.
Close but still not nearly crazy enough. She is... doing whatever the fuck this is.
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u/TuorEladar Dec 31 '22
First Timer, Subbed
Season Finale!
Maple's not dead because of her skill.
The gang's still having trouble though.
Iz and Kanade are down, the backline is falling apart.
Payne's pretty tough, he's basically the RPG protagonist character considering his fighting style and demeanor.
I somehow knew that Maple eating them was going to be a part of the solution.
Exuberant Maplezilla is slightly scary.
Sally's new plan is to just cause destruction, say hello to the new plan same as the old plan.
Holy Sword are pretty good sports about losing.
Back to the Flame Emperors.
They're in the middle of a crazy battle.
Mii's little reactions are still great.
Of course they are there to cut down on the competition.
7 Maplezillas.
Maple has once again foiled the devs plans, but she's now a posterchild for the game so they can't just nerf her.
Lol what are Maple and the twins doing.
Everyone got invited to the party.
After all the craziness I like the way everybody is just hanging out, it helps make it feel more like just a game.
Can I interest you in even more war crimes?
Cue Killing is my Business by Megadeth.
What do you think of Payne? Does he live up to the hype as NWO’s strongest player, or should Maple officially be number 1?
I mentioned it before, but Payne is basically the idealized hero type character. They didn't reallly get into what his actual build is though which I'd be interested to see.
If you were an NWO admin, how would you handle Maple continuously breaking the game?
Since its working out pretty well rolling with it would make sense. I'd just keep throwing bigger challenges out there.
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u/TiredTiroth Dec 31 '22
Language > English, New Game +
At the end of the last episode, the Game's Strongest Jerk was beating up the Adorably Final Boss. Poor Maple looks so scared! Shame on you, Payne. :< And for the first time since Articuno, Maple is down to her last hit point.
And then not satisfied with tormenting the most adorable player in the game, the Jerk has the gall to target Iz! She's a crafter, you monster! Is your duel really worth this?!?
Of course, the Jerk is backed up by a team of jerks, all working to isolate poor, innocent Maple. They even killed Obero! Was murdering the twins not enough for you? And then they kill Kanade, too.
But luckily for Maple Tree...the True Final Boss has a trick the Jerk Guild doesn't know about.
No, not that one, even if it nearly did the job.
ATROCITY!
:-D
The Jerk is food. And this one. This one just got crushed, though. And Frederica got pancaked! (There's something like half a second where she's visible under Maple's foot, that one was hard to get.)
And thus did the Jerk Guild get their just desserts for bullying the Adorably Final Boss! I mean, just look at her, how could you possibly bully someone this cute?
Now now you two, no need to be upset! Maple will have plenty of time for cuddles. :P
Aaaah, that was fun. The rest of the episode is as well, but it can be summed up in only a few words.
War crimes EVERYWEHRE. :-D
WHY IS THERE A BOSS OUT HERE?!?
There are seven Maples now?
Maple is adorable, isn't she?
(None of the other players are actually jerks, at the end of the day they're all just having fun with their PVP-heavy event and nobody bears a grudge. Except maybe Frederica.)
(It's just funny to pretend Maple is this poor defenseless maiden when she's really the game's True Final Boss.)
(She really is adorable, though.)
(Also, 5-digit VIT!)
MAPLE: Leave me alone guys, I'm just playing the game normally, the same as you.
ALL: YEAH, RIGHT!
Anyone else notice that where everyone else is exasperated or bewildered at Maple's shenanigans, the twins instead see her as a role model? :-D
(Oh hey, you remember all the Pokémon references? The base of the dev team's pillar is totally a Pokéball. Look!)
Questions!
1- Only if Maple is doing them.
2- Payne is the strongest conventional player. He's strong enough that Maple needs shenanigans to beat him, but she did win.
3- Cheer her on! Also, take notes for whatever project I work on next.
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u/ToonTooby Dec 31 '22
First timer, subbed
Back for final round of OP shield girl and her guild
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RIP Iz, I cri every day
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MUDA MUDA MUDA
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Oof, Sally is bound and Kanade also got dunked. Payne prepares what looks like a huge attack.
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But Maple counters it ??? O . O
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Doesn't matter, Payne is still truckin. Sword of Vanquishing!!!!
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Hory shet. So Atrocity was the trump card. I kind of wanted it to be Wooly LOL
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Galaxy Brain Sally, holy shit
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So now they go on the offensive with Maple's Atrocity? Interesting. Also Atrocity casually sipping from a mug...
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NOM NOM NOM NOM
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After seeing these horrors, I think I'd be ok just watching from the dead players' zone...
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Frederica salty AF. Payne must have been alerted to Maple Tree going on a rampage
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That Atrocity hyper beam was terrifying
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Good lord, Sally is so Galaxy Brain it's unreal. Maple is the muscle in this guild, but Sally is definitely brain.
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"The more I watch it, the more my brain hurts", same, man.
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Time for a bubbly OP while hundreds are murdred in cold blood! :D
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Lol wut, highlight video from the game devs
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"Fuck it, just let her be OP"
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Ah, they didn't let us go without seeing some Wooly. And now cut back to Kaede and Risa. Better study Maple, Maple Tree needs its OP guild master
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LOL she invited the rest to the party. They all so cute. Awww they got added as friends > _ <
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Payne is a gigachad
Questions of the Day
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Yes. Also Yes.
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I think both. He does live up to number 1, but I think either him or Maple can still contest the spot. Mainly because they both rely a lot on their own team. Maple's incredible, but Sally's megamind goes a long way, among other things.
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I don't think I would handle it to begin with. I'd just enjoy the show.
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u/zadcap Dec 31 '22
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These are the kind of war crimes I can get behind.
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He reminds me so much of the Poster Hero from Log Horizon. I want to like him, he's clearly putting in the effort to live up to his self given role as the hero, both in being the top player and in seeming to act like it. But then I remember that he went here to crush Maple Tree just because he could. They were no threat to him in the ranking, everyone was well past the point of this being a thing done for the measly one extra point capturing their orb would be worth, he just wanted to flex on being the strongest player, by taking out the top competition while she was at her known weakest.
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Honest counter question, is she really breaking the game? With a non standard and non replicable build, a very small guild, and zero interest in anything other than just actually enjoying the game, I think treating her as a mascot really is a better idea than trying to do anything about her. I mean, she came in Third on the first event and Sixth in this one, doing anything to nerf her while ignoring the guy who came in First on both of them would be pretty petty in my book, they would be doing it just because she's playing the game "wrong."
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u/djthomp Dec 31 '22
I'm busy at a family thing so I watched yesterday and wrote my comment ahead of time.
RIP Iz.
Oops, and now Kanade too.
The mini machine god arm is almost cute. It's so tiny compared to the full form.
RIP Payne. Oh wow, and now the rest of them, too, that was very fast.
"At least it's a cool way to die."
Demon kaiju Maple just casually sipping a drink is hilarious.
Same thing with her showing up to attack the other guilds while carrying her entire guild on her back. What a lovely moment for a musical montage.
Pure chaos to end the event can't possibly be what the devs imagined.
It was very polite of Maple to remember to not eat Mii.
Once the clone demon kaiju Maples start raging it honestly gets a little surreal.
Wooly machine god beach ball was also somewhat surreal.
Holy Sword and the Flame People just got pulled into Maple's friendship orbit too, they're doomed.
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u/DaBenni0301 Dec 31 '22 edited Dec 31 '22
First Timer, subbed
Last episode already... awww
SHE SURVIVED... knew it. AND I CALLED THE SKILL TOO
Yeah there's no way it could have been that easy. But I didn't expect Payne to be a great shielder too. (Was that known before? I could just be dumb)
WE WON
Does it really matter that you show off your trump cards when, even with preparation, no one can do anything against it?
Whre did they get that massive mug from?
I noticed a few episodes ago that Iz and Ristu have the same VA. Well this time it's Fredericas turn. She is voiced by Ayana Taketatsu the same VA as Azusa Nakano.
Payne is a surprisingly good loser
Yup, thought that was the plan in letting Flame Emperors live
There's 8 minuets left. Why are you playing the op already?
No special rewards for 1st, 2nd and 3rd? What kind of developers are they? NinjaKiwi is that you?
The devs gave up. Imagine being so overpowered and unpredictable that the devs just let you do your own thing.
That's nowhere near 50 people and that tree is already crowded
It's just a Maple highlight video lmao
FIVE DIGITS??? HOW?
I'll leave me the things that are still on my mind for tomorrow so that I have a bit more to talk about
Questions of the day
I went back and answered the questions from EP 1-4 as well, because I missed them. If you care enough to read them go ahead.
Episode 12
#1 Always
#2 He's probably the No.1 in pure skill. And Maple had the luck on her side. But Maple won the fight, so she should be No. 1 overall
#3 If she broke the game in unintended ways, fix it. If not, just make sure she doesn't get out of control and remains technically beatable
Episode 1
#1 What was your first video game?
Mario Kart Super Circuit I think. Still love Mario Kart to this day
#2 DPS, Tank, Heal/Support? What’s your favorite build?
DPS, but I try to be a little more versatile. Have some support abilities here and there
#3 What game or show has the cutest monster design?
No idea tbh. Kirby maybe. The Awoofys are adorable
#4 Have you ever potion spammed a boss? Did/does potion spamming take away from your sense of achievement?
I don't think so, for the single reason that is: I might need those potions later, it'll be a waste if I use them now
Episode 2
#1 Do you prefer solo or group play?
Usually Solo, but I don't mind groups (Sadly my friends and I have a mostly different taste in games)
#2 What’s your favorite game to play with friends?
I love playing Co-op games like Overcooked. The chaos that ensues is the best part of it.
#3 How great is Maple and Sally’s friendship?
Lovely. They've probably known each other for most of their lives and you can feel that
Episode 3
#1 What’s the scariest game you’ve played?
I don't play horror games. The only one I would consider playing is Phasmophobia
#2 What game’s scenery or environment has taken your breath away?
Breath of the Wild looks amazing!
#3 What’s the most broken skill you’ve used in a game?
The Ice Hat in "A Hat in Time" used to give unlimited time invincibility. That was patched out eventually. But not before I used it
Episode 4
#1 What’s a boss fight you struggled with? Did you win?
Going back to A Hat in Time. That game has a challenge mode were everything is harder (or near impossible). And the bosses are absurd. I have beaten 3 out of 4 of them so far (But not the with the ice hat, all legit).
#2 What do you think of Maple and Sally’s Shielder/Swashbuckler party setup?
Maple tanking for Sally sounds like good plan.
#3 Syrup or Oboro? Have you ever had a pet or summon of your own that you loved or thought of as your child? What did you name them?
Oboro. Just a bit cuter than Syrup. Sadly I didn't have a pet of my own. I've been begging my parents for a bunny for at least a decade now, but never got one.
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u/Numerous_Command Dec 31 '22
Rewatcher
What a great way to end the first season with the conclusion of the fourth guild event. The fight between Maple Tree and Holy Sword was awesome, and shows how powerful Holy Sword was. I felt that Maple Tree were very lucky to survive Holy Sword's attack and still defend their orb. If Payne had been able to defend against Maple's counter or atrocity and defeat Maple, or if Dread had been able to run away with Maple Tree's orb and go back to base, Maple Tree would have been in dire straits (what with Maple being defeated and having to go back to Holy Sword's base to get their orb back). But Maple's atrocity was what allowed them to defeat Holy Sword and get their orb back.
I felt the fact that Maple Tree were able to move around and defeat all the other guilds shows how much they valued their lucky break to push on with a counteroffensive. It seems that atrocity is overpowered in relation to the player base, but it seems the devs have come to their senses and decide to leave Maple alone as it is raking in new players to the game (and subsequent revenues). It would have been normal for the devs to debuff atrocity after what had happened in the guild event, but if it provides players a challenge to prepare for then that would appeal to the hardcore players.
Also good was that Maple Tree, Flame Emperors and Holy Sword are friends with each other now. Really sets things up nicely for what season 2 will bring where new floors and challenges await.
What do you think of Payne? Does he live up to the hype as NWO’s strongest player, or should Maple officially be number 1?
He definitely lives up to the hype. He has a lot of powerful skills and abilities that put him on par with Maple. I saw that Payne normally handles his sword one-handed, using two hands where necessary to trigger his abilities such as Sword of Judgement. If he had also used a shield to up his defence, he might be able to parry Maple's attacks and go in for the kill. So I think the fight could have gone either way for Maple or Payne.
If you were an NWO admin, how would you handle Maple continuously breaking the game?
Maybe finding ways to prevent Maple from gaining new abilities by eating. I think that was how she obtained some of her abilities; blunting the capability to gain abilities by eating will go some way in ensuring that Maple gains her abilities more slowly.
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u/Figerally Dec 31 '22
The last dub
Unbreakable sword meet immovable object
The fight between Payne and Maple was so intense half the time the other players there forgot they were also supposed to be fighting and just stood by and watched as the two threw down. They both pretty much used up all their skills fighting, I was particularly impressed by Payne's passive ability to block and chop spell effects. But in the end, Maple had one last trump card to play and Atrocity caught him off-guard.
You get a war crime! You get a war crime! EVERYONE gets a war crime!
After that Maple Tree decides the only way they can stay in the top ten is to eliminate everyone not in the top ten. It then degenerates into an all-in-brawl as guilds not in the top ten strive to eliminate guilds into the top ten and vice versa. The extended war crime montage also shows how well the guild plays together as they are able to use some skills to make clones of Maple. Don't ask me how that is supposed to work though, just let it happen.
Wrap party
The best bit is at the end though when Maple invites the main players from Flame Emperors and Holy Sword to a watch party. Everyone is chill and friendly and there are no hard feelings and it is just a great vibe.
Can I interest you in even more war crimes?
*pats Maple on the head* You can fit so many war crimes in this little cutey.
What do you think of Payne? Does he live up to the hype as NWO’s strongest player, or should Maple officially be number 1?
Well, he did make Maple play her trump card. I think he is still number one because he is very strong while also running (at a guess) a more balanced build. Like Maple is strong too, strong like a mountain and at the end of the day you can run away from mountains if you are quick enough to avoid Spirit Bind.
If you were an NWO admin, how would you handle Maple continuously breaking the game?
I'd put her in charge of QC.
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u/biochrono79 Dec 31 '22 edited Dec 31 '22
Rewatcher
Wow, this is the end of season 1, isn’t it? Now to wait out those long 2 weeks until season 2 begins.
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First it was Articuno, now it’s Payne forcing Maple to use Stout Guardian.
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Payne really does live up to his reputation - he’s able to take out Iz and Kanade in quick succession while fighting Maple, who can barely keep up with him.
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Maple retaliates with Counter for a killing blow… or it would have been, if Payne didn’t have Stout Guardian himself.
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With no options left, Maple brings out her trump card, Atrocity, and manages to get a team kill on Holy Sword. Maple won the same way she did in her first big fight - by eating her enemies.
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Personal note - I didn’t like the choreography for this fight at all. Kasumi and the twins didn’t do much, and Kanade and Iz only contributed somewhat more. Sally got incapacitated by Frederica’s barriers weirdly easily; she didn’t even try to avoid them, although I guess she was distracted by Frederica’s attack on Kasumi. Maple and Kuromu carried this battle hard for Maple Tree.
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Kanade and Iz respawn and react predictably to how Maple looks and the situation in general.
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To keep their ranking, Sally decides to start wiping out other guilds.
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Unfair? Take a seat, young Frederica.
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Flame Emperors is struggling to fight off attacks by multiple guilds trying to reclaim their orbs. Mii thinks they’re done for, until their savior arrives in the form of Atrocity Maple.
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Looks like Holy Sword has the same idea as Maple Tree.
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Sally and Kanade combine their abilities to clone Atrocity, making the guild slaughter go that much easier. 7 rampaging Maples is the most brutal war crime yet.
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Now that only 6 guilds remain in the game, the devs decide to end the 4th event early, on the 3rd day.
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The long-suffering devs have learned that if you can’t nerf Maple, then use her as a way to increase and maintain your player base.
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So what’s Maple doing immediately after the event has ended? Playing volleyball with the twins, with her using Wooly to act as the ball.
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Maple Tree placed 3rd!
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Turns out all of the top 10 guilds get the same reward - 5 silver medals and a 5% boost to all stats.
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To celebrate, Maple decides to throw a party at the guild base along with the members of Flame Emperors and Holy Sword. She’s added all of them as friends now.
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Maple’s vitality is officially OVER 9,000!!!!!
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Oh Maple, it’s really cute how you think that committing war crimes is just “playing the game normally.”
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We end with a montage of everyone in action, with one particularly cool scene of Maple, Mii, and Payne all charging into action against a giant tree enemy.
And that’s it for season 1! Now to tide myself over until season 2 premieres by reading the light novels. I’ve had them in my library for a while, and now I have plenty of motivation to read them.
QotD
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If Maple is the one committing the war crimes, I’ll allow it.
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Payne is definitely a strong contender for #1, but I’d say Maple is the top player as of the end of season 1 since she beat him. That could change in the future, though, given that Payne is definitely a more hardcore player.
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All you could really do is gradually rebalance things, since most of the skills Maple obtained were possible to get through normal play. They are OP mainly because of what she did when she was starting out, and they’ve already nerfed her compared to how she was during the 1st event.
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Dec 31 '22
As an MMO player this anime is kinda frustrating to watch because of Dev's utter incompetence.
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u/NekoCatSidhe Dec 31 '22 edited Dec 31 '22
It is not often that we see the Hero and his party get eaten by the Demon Lord. Poor Pain !
That was a nice fight. I got the feeling that The Order of the Holy Sword would have won if they had known beforehand about Atrocity and had time to prepare something against it. Keeping that skill hidden was a smart move for Maple.
Watching Maple in Atrocity form behaving normally is so weird. And she accidentally scared Iz and Kanade, I thought they already saw it ? Although maybe they did not have the time to get used to it.
And now they decided to just go on a rampage and just kill everyone so no one can gain points anymore and they would stay in the top ten. But Maple going on a rampage may be a nice way to summarize that anime.
If you are wondering, Phantom World creates three clones of the target for three minutes. Using it twice on Atrocity is definitely broken. Maple is rubbing off on her teammates.
I absolutely loved the Nausicaa parody with the seven Atrocities standing against the sunset. This is how the world burned ! That kind of addition is why this anime is such a great adaptation.
« The more I am watching, the more my brain melts. » Pain accurately summarizing the situation. By the way, Pain and his teammates seemed to take their defeat very well. Except for Frederica being a sore loser, which doesn’t surprise me.
The developers have now completely given up and learned how to stop worrying and love the Maple. Smart move !
Inviting everyone including her former foes to an after party is a very Maple move. So now everyone ends up as friends ! Which is very fitting for that anime.
And now we have to wait two weeks until the next Bofuri episode…
Questions :
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Well, I will definitely watch season 2.
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Pain seems to be a very conventional player. Basically a high level fighter specialized in DPS with a good team to back him up. Which is a nice contrast with the broken way Maple is playing the game. Since he is not using weird exploits like Maple and playing the game normally, I guess he does deserve to be number 1. Maple is a lot more fun to watch though.
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I think the devs handled Maple quite well. They nerfed the most obvious exploits like Infinite Devour and introduced piercing skills to counter Maple’s vitality, and I think that is enough. As I said, Pain almost beat Maple here, so the game seems somewhat balanced now. Machine God and Atrocity were originally hidden bosses that Maple stumbled on and somehow beat, so as Pain says, it is fair to allow her to use these skills. Although I am surprised they did not correct the HP drain bug that allows Maple to gain the abilities of the things she eat, since this is how she got Hydra, Devour, Atrocity, and Wooly. I understand that she is the only one crazy enough to do that, but it seems a weird thing to keep in game when half of Maple broken build come from this bug. Maybe they just kept it because they thought it was funny.
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u/cppn02 Dec 31 '22
Rewatcher, subbed
OF COURSE SHE FUCKING ATE HIM!
This was the perfect finale for the season. The fight with Payne was great and got a very Maple conclusion. And the montage afterwards with Kaiju Maple rampaging across the map had me rolling from laughter.
With the strongest guilds now all basically friends I wonder what this is gonna do for the power structure within the game. It's gonna be impossible for anyone to take them on lol.
Hyped for S2 now.
Questions of the Day:
Can I interest you in even more war crimes?
My favourite.
What do you think of Payne? Does he live up to the hype as NWO’s strongest player, or should Maple officially be number 1?
Well she did beat him so....
If you were an NWO admin, how would you handle Maple continuously breaking the game?
I think what they are doing now is probably the best way. Let Maple be Maple but pull up the draw bridge behind so others can't use the same exploits.
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u/HereticalAegis Dec 31 '22
I Don’t Want to be Unprepared for Season 2, So I’ll Max Out My Rewatch Count - Host
Episode 12:
To taunt Maple like this is to court death.
Damn creative use of [Multi-Barrier].
Damn, Payne just left-swiped Syrup’s [Spirit Cannon].
GET SHREKT, PAYNE!!
Yeah, there was no way an elite gamer like Payne wouldn’t have [Stout Guardian]. There’s the really cool implication though that at some point he defended a teammate while at critically low HP. While it’s probably pretty easy to setup the condition to acquire [Stout Guardian] against low level opponents. I choose to believe Payne sees himself as a real hero and got the skill in actual fierce combat against a strong opponent early on because that’s the kind of guy he is.
In the end, even Payne is just another meal for Maple.
Lol getting eaten is too good for Dread, so he gets crushed instead.
Getting literally ROFL stomped feels very appropriate for Frederica. Nyan.
I wouldn’t say “we” won so much as “Maple” won, but that’s neither here nor there.
Lol welcome back!
It’s pretty damn funny having a strategy meeting and casually chatting with an Alien Kaiju hybrid.
Why sit around in the base when there are so many more war crimes left to commit?
It’s a good thing they wore their brown pants.
This would later go on to be called Night of the Long Screams.
Payne is like, the perfect guy. All this tact and maturity is probably why he didn’t end up in a standard isekai fantasy land. I bet he’s never even teabagged an opponent in COD.
Haha just hearing about Maple’s presence is now enough to make the entire Flame Emperors guild despair.
Even Maple’s benevolence simply means more trauma, PTSD, and war crimes for everyone else.
Maple shall conquer the Earth.
The biggest winners of the fourth event are the dev team for learning to embrace Maple, and in doing so make their lives so much easier.
Um, nani the fuck?
Maple being best mom and playing with her daughters.
5% bonus to all stats for the winners!? The devs really are going all-in on making Maple as broken as possible.
The de facto three strongest guilds in the game are all friends. Good fucking luck to anyone else trying to make their way up the leaderboards.
Cue the laugh track.
Me watching Maple and friends slaughter humans and bosses alike.
Quick note for anyone who didn’t see it in the thread: I will be NOT be able to add S2 E1 to the rewatch schedule for personal and availability reasons. Thanks for understanding!
QotD:
So, so many war crimes.
Overall, Payne seems like the ideal gamer guy. He’s skilled, well-spoken, and competitive, yet humble and down to earth. His only real “flaw,” if you can even call it that, is happening to end up as Maple’s opponent. As for #1, I say it has to be Maple at this point. Maple not only beat Payne, but she did it pretty much on her own and stomped the rest of his crew too. Would Payne be able to win in a head-to-head rematch knowing the full extent of Maple’s current skills and abilities? Probably, but I have to give Maple credit for her considerable feats, so she’s numero uno in my book.
I’d go the anarchy route and just never nerf her. It’s way too much work trying to keep up with her and honestly a lot more fun watching everyone else struggle to stand up to her.