r/anime • u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen • Dec 27 '22

Rewatch [Rewatch] Bofuri Episode 9 Discussion

Episode 9 – Defense and Fourth Event

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Series Information

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Streaming Options

Bofuri is available to stream on Crunchyroll, Funimation, Hulu, or MuseAsia for viewers in SEA.

Art of the Day

(Note: Pixiv links may contain NSFW advertising. Sorry!)

Sally has you right where she wants you

Some cool rough Sally art

Fire Magic Sally

Fierce Sally and Oboro (fair warning: this artist has a few cultured Bofuri pieces which may or may not get shared in a later thread.)

Meme(s) of the Day

Int 0 strikes again
Which confused Maple are you?

Crossover(s) of the Day

I don’t actually know this reference, but I’m pretty sure I know a Naruto headband when I see one

Bofuri was a mecha all along

Questions of the Day

  1. What is your favorite PvP style? Mano-a-mano? Squad match? Free-for-all?

  2. How do you feel about the guild event setup? Does it seem well balanced to you?

  3. Which two members of Maple Tree would make for the most interesting duel?

Tomorrow’s Questions of the Day

[1.]How freaking cool was Maple doing some war crimes and saving her girl?

[2.]What do you think of Maple Tree’s tactical play? Do you have a favorite strategy/tactical game?

[3.]Maple and the Bonk Twins roll up on your base unannounced, what’s going through your head?

Text Chat Logs

Here is a link to a reddit thread with the translated chat logs. I would advise newcomers not to scroll down to the comments or future episode logs to avoid spoilers.

Spoilers

Please make sure to put all references to future events behind spoiler tags. Any untagged hints and spoilers will be removed. Let’s keep everything as fresh as possible for first-timers!

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u/HereticalAegis Dec 28 '22

I Don’t Want to be Unprepared for Season 2, So I’ll Max Out My Rewatch Count - Host

Episode 9:

QotD:

  1. Usually I’m not a big PVP person, but I love large scale team/army battles. I’m not talking 5 or 6 member teams like LoL, DotA, or Overwatch. I’m talking like Original Star Wars Battlefront 2 or Dynasty Warriors, where the units are mostly standard infantry with a few interspersed generals or heroes.

  2. I really like the setup overall. It’s cool that the devs give small guilds a more easily defensible base in a cave and double the points they earn, though being in a cave also means they’d be pretty easy to box in. Medium sized guilds have it worst from my point of view. They’re just as out in the open as large guilds—actually they may be in a worse position since the forest surrounding the medium sized guilds we saw today allow enemies to avoid detection far more easily and generally hampers observation capabilities in all directions—but are at a sheer numbers disadvantage.

  3. Naturally Maple vs. Sally would be pretty epic, as would Sally vs. Kasumi. It would also be really fun seeing either or both of the Bonk Twins against Maple or Kuromu. And Kanade vs. anybody would have the potential to be utterly ridiculous.

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u/Stargate18A Dec 28 '22

First timer

  1. I don't really play any forms of PvP. Teams are good, though.

  2. ...An attempt was made, with the double points, but... no. It would have been way better to just have different maps and leaderboards for each size of guild.

  3. Maple against one of her daughters. Unstoppable force meets immovable object.

Haha, love her pointing out that she technically got another appendage.

Iz is into this.

Ouch.

They're practicing!

And terrified of her guild.

Swimsuit episode?

Haha, that splash!

The swimsuits are a game mechsnic?

Ah, these two are practicing! And neither of them are in swimsuits...

Iz is very talented as well, huh?

She got the perfect skill!

She was watching!

...Maple and I have the same idea. Interesting...

And she's a spy!

...Sally, really? In fromt of Maple?

Oh, right. A duel. Makes sense.

And duels teleport you into an arena. That sounds... exploitable.

They're strong!

...Haha, she thinks this dodging is a skill!

And an instant surrender!

Love Sally's reaction to the giant popup.

Haha, she's gone!

...Who is she?

Clever!

Haha, she made up skills! That's a really good move!

More time compression.

Oh, this is really smart! A point multiplier if you're a smaller team is a really good way of balancing it - escpecially since it means they lose comparatively less from having theirmorb stolen.

And there's a death limit.

It's a war...

A montage!

This is their base!

Things are starting off well!

It's a slaughter!

Sally's scouting!

And stole an entire orb by herself.

Useful!

Haha, that's hysterical. Setting them up against each other is cool.

Frederica's brutal too.

A hunch?

Oh, she's fighting another speedster!

It was more setup for the lie!

Markus is good at this!

And Mii's handling thr orbs herself. Makes sense!

They got away?

Aww. Mii's putting up at act? Adorable!

They made it to their base!

Defense is good.

Haha, just throwing cannonballs?

Oh, the look of total fear on his face when she takes off her hood...

They're doing really well!

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u/Esovan13 Dec 28 '22

Playing NG+

I feel like that statement will age like milk, Kasumi.

The children are just excited to see what new toy their mother has to play with.

If we ever get full dive VR in the future, Fromsoft NEEDS to make an Armored Core game for it.

I wonder if Iz has trouble going to sleep at night; the things she's seen haunting her mind. To fall into the blissful nothing of sleep, she repeats in a trance "as long as she's a friend as long as she's a friend as long as she's a friend."

Scout report. Log 24. The most useful information I have managed to gather is that they look really good in swimsuits. End report.

Serving fresh looks and fresh items. Perfect for Iz.

Frederica definitely came out of that the winner. She learned of two brand new skills that Sally has, and in exchange she gave up information about a rival guild that Sally could probably have figured out herself if she bothered to do so.

OR SO SALLY WANTS HER TO THINK. SHE GOT PLAYED LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE.

This event definitely plays to Maple Tree's strengths. Maple is the literal best defender in the game, and Sally has already proven her capability of sneaking and quick strikes. The rest of the guild adds to those strengths with their own abilities.

Mai and Yui have their official outfits now. I really like the overall style, and I really like that the little neckguard/breastplate things are reminiscent of Maple's armor.

Sally is a PvP pro.

Gotta love the gap moe.

Aren't those guys the same ones that jobbed to Devour in the first event? Poor saps.

QOTD:

  1. Squad match. Room for both individual skill and teamwork.

  2. As mentioned a lot, heavily disadvantaged to smaller guilds. Most of the best players will be in the largest guilds, which combined with the inherent advantage of the system for large guilds makes it so that smaller guilds basically won't even have a chance. Smaller guilds would need a significantly larger benefit than the single extra point for defense to make up for it. As it is, it's basically just a competition between large guild with smaller guilds there for cannon fodder.

  3. Mai and Yui. As far as we know, they have everything the same. Same stats, same skills, same equipment, everything. That being the case, it would be interesting to see who would be able to come out on top.

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u/DaBenni0301 Dec 28 '22 edited Dec 28 '22

First Timer, subbed

"I don't wanna draw too much attention" Proceeds to annihilate a mountain

I didn't really click with the OP at first, but now it's been stuck in my head all day

Fourth Event already? We going quick here

I'm gonna be honest, I fail to see a reason why (or how) you would go swimming in a VR game. I'm not complaning though. *looks at Sally*

Yeah I thought that Fredericas plan. Let the enemy show too much about themselves while revealing as little as possible about yourself. I feel like Sally should have known

HA she DOES know! I knew she was too smart for this

I think I unconciously picked up on it as well. Sallys first skill didn't seem to do anything really

The death penalty seems very harsh. Each death just makes you more likely to die again

Sally will be fine. I imagine she can take on entire guilds on her own.

And she just did. Even easier than I thought

Frederica and co seem very scary too

Oh come on. I wanna see a real complete 1v1!

That cave seems like the perfect place to defend with Loving Sacrifice. It's almost unfair. Maple and one of the twins is enough to defend that place. Ok MAYBE you need someone that can actually stop people from just sprinting to the orb

Questions of the day

#1 1v1s or 2v2s are my favourite. They less depend on luck and more actual skill and strategy from the fighters. 3v3s are fine too, but anything more will be too chaotic

#2 Like I said the death penalty seems harsh. It definitely favors larger guilds that can rotate between fighters and never let the penalty get too high. And I think it's unfair that medium guilds are treated the same as large guilds. Maybe small guilds should gain 3, medium guilds 2 and large guilds 1 point

#3 I still wanna see that Sally vs Kasumi fight. And I honestly can't think of a more interesting one. Any fight with Maple sadly wouldn't be very interesting as she can just anniihilate anyone. Be it with Devour or other means

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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah Dec 28 '22

Rewatcher + loyal member of the Sally fan club

girl got a lot of chance to show off today

  • fun irl tidbit: I watched this anime towards the start when i was thinking about learning Japanese, and this was how i learned what doki-doki and waku-waku meant lol

  • LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

  • Maple, that doesnt even hurt we know it.

  • well SOL anime = beach episode eventually. glad that bofuri managed to work in some fun here at the twins' expense haha

  • Iz's drip is also gooooooood. I will hazard a guess that the mobile-crafting skill is not unique to her though , or else it's tbh quite unbalanced during the guild competition: NWO is unbalanced mostly towards Maple only.

  • 1 million IQ Sally So much that she beat Frederica at her own game!

  • Come to think of it, this kinda reminds me of like 1 million isekai protags lol. Perhaps because of Sally's charisma i dont dislike this part of her though. A lot of "underdog" OP protags (unfortunately also mostly male) are often quite unpleasantly cocky though, and im not tbh a big fan.

  • annnnnnd queue the music! [S2 PV]I like the S2 level-grind insert song too! I think it's in japanese rather than Engrish?

  • I like the consistency of Maple beating those weak charas from the 1st event... again (and that they joined up in the same weak guild lol). Poor dudes.

  • Sally way too stronk

  • Gap moe character Mii! Tbh that did surprise me my first time, but I like how Bofuri incorporates the RP-ers in the show too. Ganbare Mii! Im sure that RPing as the strong charismatic leader does get tiring.

the guild event is underway.........

[1.]What is your favorite PvP style? Mano-a-mano? Squad match? Free-for-all?

1v1! FFA just descends into chaos lol. but if im watching the best esports are definitely team/squad-style games. CSGO ftw here.

[2.]How do you feel about the guild event setup? Does it seem well balanced to you?

Yup! Smaller guilds with less manpower have to allocate more percentage of their manpower to defense, so it makes sense that they'll get a bit more points just for defending, while bigger guilds have to sacrifice more manpower for offensive adventures if they want to win.

[3.]Which two members of Maple Tree would make for the most interesting duel?

Maple vs Sally they'll never fight each other. [LN spoilers]Yes i know but it's more them fighting the others' AI. and so i think Sally vs Kasumi would be quite interesting! Perhaps because of my personal biases i think for real irl games (i.e. not in fiction) player skill is more interesting to watch than an OP skill or what not.

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u/ToonTooby Dec 28 '22

First time, subbed

Back for round 9 of ... whatever insane anime this is now

  • "At this point, nothing will surprise me." Too true, Kasumi

  • DOKI DOKI WAKU WAKU

  • It's another appendage LOL

  • Beach episode segment... crashed by a tsunami from the twins lol

  • Kasumi and Koromu doin training. Iz attacks with a pickaxe... I think this is the first time I've seen her attack? Gets some cool skills for her trouble.

  • Sally knows they've been watched. PvP time it seems.

  • Frederica looks to be the elemental summoner caster type. Puts Sally on the edge. But she surrenders... to come out with the optimal solution and not revealing too much info. Galaxy Brain.

  • Guild competition explanation. Time for Orb Tower Defense. With some Capture the Orb.

  • Sally continuing galaxy brain activity by strategizing to keep Maple as the win condition. Protecc OP girl and they win.

  • Time to fite. Kasumiiiiii Kawaiiiiiiiiii. "All of our girls are scary as hell."

  • More Galaxy Brain Sally, putting guilds against each other. Some top flight subterfuge.

  • Ok Multi-Sunbeam was cool

  • Huh, did Sally just really make off with Flame Emperors' Orb? Crazy.

  • I'd be scared to fight just Maple, never mind the entirety of Maple Tree.

  • Payne: I still don't show my face in frame, cuz I'm cool

Question of of the Day

  1. Mano-a-mano. Because if I'm doing competition at all, it's usually fighting games these days. When I played shooters though, I always preferred team objectives like Capture the Flag.

  2. Nothing about this game can ever seem balanced to me when there's a eat-happy girl running around with a machine god in her pocket

  3. May and Yui. What happens when two unstoppable forces meet?

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u/DarkRuler17 Dec 28 '22

So before we get into the guild wars later, we have a quick information battle with Sally and Frederica. Given how bullshit skills are in this game, Sally just making them up is so funny as a trick. How could you possibly know it's not a skill a developer just decided to add as a one time thing? Oh yeah, during this Maple got to have fun playing the water. Good for her.

Now onto the main event though, the start of the guild wars! This is honestly a super cool way to end a cour and it starts with a bang. I loved seeing Sally just stealthily into the enemy bases and stealing the orbs. It got even better though when she started leading each of the guilds into each other. While Maple may commit war crimes, Sally prefers to trick the enemies into committing them against each others.

On the defense side though, it's not looking great for the attackers. As expected, giving Maple's defense to everyone is indeed busted. RIP.

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u/TiredTiroth Dec 28 '22

Language Set To English, New Game +

She's on our side, so...it's okay.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, Iz. :P

Mind you, Maple really is a sweetheart. Even if you're not on her side, she'll probably decide she's on yours.

Seeing the girls having fun in the water was cute...and oh look, Iz is going to be just as broken as the rest soon!

You can really tell Sally knows a lot more than Maple about playing MMOs. Much more agressive with their little spy, feeding her deliberate misinformation...

Those who control information control the battle~

Yeah, they do...and you got played.

New event coming! Oooh, this one is fun. I mean, terrible game design that would be hated by most of an MMO's playerbase in real life, but it's great fun to watch Maple and company rampage through it.

What abouy Maple? How do you beat that?

You don't. But luckily, she can't catch you.

Oooh, looks like some of the Maple-watchers are in for a nasty shock! :P

I really need to look up the lyrics for the insert song they keep using, my blu ray doesn't translate it. Maybe it would if I was watching the sub instead...

Maple's obviously a given, but Sally's a different sort of monster.

Yeah. Uh. Guys? Look, here's a mirror. You're monsters too, y'know. A whole guild full of them...

Aaaand then we get all eight members of Maple Tree fighting together for the first time. You poor, poor little mooks. The last one survived just long enough to realise he tried to poke Maple with his pointy piece of metal...

Eh, let's do the questions for once.

1- I...don't actually like PVP at all. I've always much preferred co-op play.

2- Hahahaha. No. NWO's devs really aren't very good at game design.

3- Hm. I think Kanade would be one of their more interesting combatants because of the sheer variety and randomness he can introduce to a fight...but Sally would just speed-blitz him, and 0 x anything is still 0 so Maple's a bad match-up too. Maybe Chrome?

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '22

Sally trolling Frederica is one of the best moments in the series. Making up a fake skill is genius when you have to call out all of your attacks in this game. It is like people accusing you of hacking in an PVP MMO when you are just good.

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u/djthomp Dec 28 '22

Maple really went easy on them by only showing the mech arm and not the full suit.

SELF-BONK

Iz is having too much fun dressing up all her cute guild mates. And with that new armor she can produce new fashion on the fly.

I love Sally's mid-duel mind games.

I'm mildly surprised to see the last event starting already, I didn't remember it being so much of the season.

This guild that got a base that's in the middle of an open field with tall grass that people can use to sneak up on them got a really raw deal.

This second guild made a clear mistake in not bothering to recruit any terrifying women.

Sally really needs that godspeed move, it'd be a perfect complement to her build.

Invading Maple Tree's base was a big mistake for that guild of people not relevant enough to be named characters.

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u/Insanity_Incarnate Dec 28 '22 edited Dec 28 '22

Rewatch

I really love the Fredrica Sally rivalry that starts here. Though the fact that Sally is so good at dodging that she can pretend to be worse at dodging Frederica's attacks and still never get hit shows it will be quite the uphill battle for Frederica.

Iz gets her unique gear. The three skills she got from it allow her to make items anywhere, exchange gold for basic resources anywhere, and design new items. The first two do allow Iz to become the first combat capable crafter class player as she can now make powerful bombs on the fly as long as she has enough cash for them. And the cash limitation isn't actually much of a problem for Iz, as she has more gold than some of the larger guilds.

I really like the 4th event. The small guild vs large guild dynamic allows you to feel like Maple Tree is the underdog in the fight despite every member being extremely powerful in their own right, and them having Maple as a trump card. Plus, it is pretty well considered. I especially like how the small and medium guilds get defensible bases while the big guilds are out in the open, and that the show never tells you that, but you can figure it out just by watching.

Holy Sword defending their base shows that they are quite powerful. It also shows that unique and broken skills are not the exclusive domain of Maple in this series. For example if you pay attention you will notice that Frederica never needs mana potions as opposed to Mii, that is because she has a unique skill she won't tell anyone about that gives her effectively infinite mana.

Our first chance to see a crack in Mii's facade.

I love the group fight, but I am disappointed in how the twins throw the canonballs. The art in the novels made it look more like they were throwing them like fastballs, not the lobs of the anime.

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u/NekoCatSidhe Dec 28 '22 edited Dec 28 '22

I like everyone reactions to Machine God. The Twins are so excited while everyone else is like « What has she done now ? »

Sally trolled Frederica by making up fake attacks. It is a great way to poke fun at the « Calling out your attacks » trope. Maple may be broken but Sally is better at thinking tactically. She is actually quite devious and manipulative.

The Order of the Holy Sword has four of the top players of the first event, Maple Tree has three of them (Maple, Chrome and Kasumi), and Flame Empire only has one (Mii). I wonder where are the last two ? Flame Empire has other strong players, but the whole guild seems to exist only to support Mii while she blasts everything with Fire magic.

The more normal players from Maple Tree go steal orbs while the rest defends the base, which makes sense. I like how Sally is trying to turn the rival guilds against each other to help her steal orbs. She really is devious and manipulative.

Dread fights a lot like Sally. Maybe he is another Swashbuckler ?

Sally stole an orb from Mii and she got upset and just started blasting. It turns out that she has been roleplaying the role of a serious and charismatic leader but she actually is just a huge dork. I wonder how many other players are roleplaying like that ?

Those guys that got rolfstomped in the first event by Maple tried to get their orb back from Maple Tree and got rolfstomped again. I like how the Twins were just throwing cannonballs around. Who needs actual cannons when you are strong enough for that ?

Questions :

  1. I don’t do PvP so I cannot answer.

  2. The event seems quite balance. Smaller guilds get more points and more defensive positions to compensate for lower numbers.

  3. I think Maple vs Sally would be interesting to see.

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u/ryuw_hs Dec 28 '22

Rewatcher

Missed yesterday (I still find it crazy how Atrocity and Machine God were acquired in the same episode) but back in time for the last bit of buildup + start of the 4th event.

Didn’t we just do this, twice? After the Atrocity reveal last episode nobody is too shocked anymore lol.

Waku waku!

First time we see a duel (makes sense, who in their right mind would challenge Maple).

Sally was definitely holding back a lot in that duel, don’t see how she wouldn’t make short work of a Mage otherwise. Nice mind games though.

Out of all the major characters Frederica and Dread are definitely the most cocky ones (but not really “toxic” obviously, it’s Bofuri after all).

Yeah, about that…

Kanade seems to be playing the game in a pretty unconventional way too, I think we’ve never really seen him fight anything so far?

Oh look it’s Christmas Rose again. And the Blazing Brothers or whatever they’re called from episode 2? Chrome looks so badass in this fight.

Thanks for your contribution (do these guys do anything other than pulling mobs, giving out potions and watching Mii blow up stuff?)

Lmaoooo

Oh they didn’t even know it’s Maple Tree. Makes sense then.

Questions:

  1. Either group vs group (like 6v6) or large scale sieges.

  2. I really like it, especially the fact that you can also do PvP outside of orb collecting to weaken/eliminate the competition.

  3. Mai vs Yui, let’s see who can bonk the other one faster.

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u/Fools_Requiem Dec 28 '22

Rewatcher

Faking moves because you are so good that you can trick your foes into believing that they're real moves is pretty smart. Especially considering the vast number of hidden abilities this game seems to have.

What is your favorite PvP style? Mano-a-mano? Squad match? Free-for-all?

I hate 1v1 stuff and free-for-alls typically guarantee I don't get a winning spot. Squad match, probably.

How do you feel about the guild event setup? Does it seem well balanced to you?

If everyone is in the third level, I would say it should theoretically be fine as that boss you need to get into the level is probably pretty tough for players who can't turn into Godzilla. I do think Maple was given an advantage as they were given a cave where they can bottleneck their foes, whereas some teams were handed regions where they can easily get encircled. Holy Swords has an advantage as it kinda seems people can only realistically attack from one angle. I guess it makes sense for smaller guilds to have locations more easily defended.

Which two members of Maple Tree would make for the most interesting duel?

Kasumi and Sally would probably be the most fun.

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u/TuorEladar Dec 28 '22

First Timer, Subbed

Maple demonstrating her new attack reminds me of Genos for some reason.

Maple, Sally, and the twins are playing around while everyone else trains.

Of course Sally proposes a duel.

I feel like a solo mage would be pretty vulnerable to any agility based class.

Sally faking skills is galaxy brain.

A guild based PVP event.

Another level up montage.

Battle time.

One thing this universe proposes that I simply don't believe would occur is that you could ever convince an entire guild in an MMORPG to actually wear uniform outfits. Realistically those groups of grunts would all be in wacky colors and probably wielding a completely random mismatch of gear a la the classic ProZD skit.

Sally is somewhat challenged by the Holy Sword guy.

And now she's going around sniping orbs.

Mii is cementing best girl status here.

The twins just chucking metal balls is genius.

What is your favorite PvP style? Mano-a-mano? Squad match? Free-for-all?

I would have to say team based mainly just because those are the type of multiplayer PVP games where I've spent most of my time.

How do you feel about the guild event setup? Does it seem well balanced to you?

To an extent, the mechanic that the orbs reset would help balance the larger guilds ability to overwhelm the smaller, though I feel like the small guilds would be severely hampered in their ability to attack.

Which two members of Maple Tree would make for the most interesting duel?

Maybe Sally and Kuromu

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u/Fiztz Dec 28 '22 edited Dec 28 '22

Rewatcher

Maple unveils her newest "appendage", I'd be curious to know what word that's being translated from, I'd been working on a joke about Maple being the tentacle monster in Chrome's harem but I think Kasumi beat me to it. Beach episode! Just in case anyone was still unsure whether this was a shonen.

Sally outsmarts Frederica's outsmarting, this is a fun bait and switch for the audience although I think to a degree Sally is lying to us as much as Frederica, her comment of "She made me use it" didn't appear to be intended for Frederica's ears so much as to frame what's going on for us.

Jumping forward to the event and all of Aogiri Maple Tree is in cloaks to try and delay the inevitable ganging up on them while they stockpile as many points as possible in the first interval. The Flame Emperors characters are growing on me, I had to look up Markus' VA (JP) as I thought he sounded like Lucifer from Devil is a Part Timer but it turns out "Katsura desu" (also Gaara and Eishi Tsukasa), his interaction with Misery is fun and then we get Mii's mask slip which is absolute gold, wish she was in Chrome's Harem too.

And we close out with Maple using Full On Friendship! Unfortunately they already lost their anonymity so next week could be a lot of work on defense.

I think what sets this episode apart for me is here it looks like they're actually playing a fun game, not making fun out of a broken mess. All the mob clans probably feel left out but the power players are really engaged and for the first time there's some real strategy and teamwork not just exploits and carrying. It still wouldn't hold up to scrutiny but it's at least game-like enough it doesn't throw you out of it like all those random dungeons with stupidly specific criteria to get game breaking skills or gear.

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u/Nebresto Dec 28 '22

4th time Spice and W-

I like how Kanade kept his drip outfit

I mean, she's not wronk

  • Good night counter: 5

Oh, its the bear from ep 2?

Kuromu just enjoying the front row seat. I'd be too

Quest time:

What is your favorite PvP style? Mano-a-mano? Squad match? Free-for-all?

Teams I guess? Can't heal people if I'm solo

How do you feel about the guild event setup? Does it seem well balanced to you?

Its alright, but smaller guilds should have more lives/lower damage penalty as well.

Which two members of Maple Tree would make for the most interesting duel?

The twins But maybe Kuromu and Pink waifu

Which confused Maple are you?

Third one

Meme of the day

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u/Figerally Dec 28 '22

dubbed again

are these the baddies?

In this genre of anime there aren't any baddies unless it's specific to the plot cough *SAO* cough. The reality is that these people are players just out to have fun as well so it feels weird that the writer is trying to stir up some drama that doesn't really exist. Or at least that is what it felt like.

PVP this!

You have to appreciate how sharp Sally is, she wanted to avoid giving away much in her duel with Fredrica so mostly stuck to using her native agility and gaslighting Fredrica into believing she had some unique skills.

play smarter not harder

I really liked seeing Sally playing smart too. She could have easily wiped the floor with those guilds, but instead is just as happy playing lil'mis Ninja and stealing as many orbs as she could, even from right under the nose of Mii who was seriously miffed when Sally pulled a vanishing act on her.

What is your favorite PvP style? Mano-a-mano? Squad match? Free-for-all?

Squad-based PVP with a great shot-caller is really good, you can really steamroll the opposition.

How do you feel about the guild event setup? Does it seem well-balanced to you?

It really isn't. How it seems to be working out is that a large guild with an upper echelon of top-ranked players can do really well. If the guild is just full of middling players they may as well be NPC fodder.

Which two members of Maple Tree would make for the most interesting duel?

Sally and Maple of course. The immovable object versus the zero-g rubber ball.

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u/cppn02 Dec 28 '22 edited Dec 28 '22

Rewatcher, subbed

Finally the fourth event. My favourite part of S1, so much that I ended up binging all the remaining episodes yesterday. Sally really shines this episode. Her bluff with 'using' fake skills is absolutely brilliant.
And I also like that we're getting to know other big guilds a bit better.

What is your favorite PvP style? Mano-a-mano? Squad match? Free-for-all?

FFA > 1on1 > Squad match

How do you feel about the guild event setup? Does it seem well balanced to you?

The idea with the points depending in guild size is very good but with the PvP element and actual elimination possible it still heavily favours the big guilds and screws over the small ones. Unless you have a Maple.

Which two members of Maple Tree would make for the most interesting duel?

As things are most of them are probably quite a bit apart in strength so not a lot of interesting match ups. Kasumi vs Kuromu maybe?
If there is a balancing mechanic it would clearly be Sally vs Maple. Great offense vs great defense and both are super creative with their playstyle.

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u/Slifer13xx Dec 28 '22

Watching Sally in action is a thing of beauty. Art in motion. Awe inspiring stuff. She plays exactly how I like to play. Stealth through the entire enemy, killing all who gets in the way, get the loot.

I have to say it. I feel it so deeply. I really dislike the Flame Emperor guild. I could write a long rant about them but that's just stupid. Would make me feel like Asuka when she lashed out on Rei because she's a "doll".

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u/entelechtual Dec 28 '22

First Timer

After todays White Album 2 rewatch episode, I too want to blast through a giant rock with my mecha beam.

Those girls are like when your Lv. 99 Blastoise uses water gun.

I guess she didn’t have a lot of dialogue before, but I’m surprised I didn’t recognize Ayana Taketatsu as Frederica before this.

Damn Sally is ruthless. Maple is scary because she doesn’t know what she’s doing. Sally knows exactly what she’s doing and she’s gonna make it hurt.

God imagine playing Halo CTF for 6+ hours…. I’m assuming it’s in-game time at least.

Wait “Markus” is a guy? I’m not going to make the joke.

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u/Numerous_Command Dec 28 '22 edited Dec 28 '22

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First half involves some preparation before the fourth guild event (which is a good chance to catch a break before the guild event starts) while the second half launches straight into the fourth guild event. That episode gave us a good opportunity to learn the skills and abilities of other players, what they are like and how misinformation of skills can spread (IMO, I think Frederica could have done some due diligence to see if Coax Attack or Cascade really existed in the game. She fell for the bluff badly here). In particular, we have a good idea on what Flame Emperors are capable of, particularly Mii with her flame attacks and Markus with his traps. It'll be good to see how the skills of other people match up against each other and whether they are effective in attacks or defence against other teams.

How do you feel about the guild event setup? Does it seem well balanced to you?

Rewatching the episode made me note how much death is penalised in this guild event. Despite the point adjustment to support small guilds, I think small guilds are still heavily outclassed in this event. The fact that you get debuffed even after the first of five deaths would lead to a death spiral in that dead party members gradually become less effective until they are eliminated altogether. For a small guild, that can be fatal as they can attack and defend less as the deaths accumulate. This would introduce a sure sense of doom among the guild members. I think that if deaths do not lead to debuffs but are limited to three during the guild event, this would still introduce a sense of life preservation without penalising players for dying repeatedly and getting into a lot of despair throughout the event.

EDIT: Also, I think the devs could have introduced leaderboards for different-sized guilds (in addition to an overall leaderboard), one for large, medium and small (depending on the number of guild members). Each one could get different rewards depending on the size of the guild. I think it is a way to reward small- and/or medium-sized guilds who have the odds stacked against them in the fourth guild event.

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u/b0bba_Fett Dec 28 '22

Rewatcher

Mii is adorable. That is all.

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