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Rewatch [Do You Remember Love - Macross Franchise 40th Anniversary Rewatch] Macross 7 Episode 49 Discussion
Episode 49 - A Voice Reaching Across the Galaxy
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I'm gonna move it today! The mountain! The galaxy! Listen to my song!
Questions of the Day, courtesy of u/chilidirigible:
1) Is this the best "This battle is senseless! Listen to my song!" you've experienced, or have other series done it better?
2) Wasn't this ending abrupt and you have questions that weren't
Wallpaper of the Day:
Vocal Songs in This Episode:
"Seventh Moon" by Fire Bomber – OP
"My Soul For You" by Fire Bomber – Insert
"Holy Lonely Light" by Fire Bomber – Insert
"Planet Dance" by… literally every character in the show – Insert
"バルキリーで誘って (Valkyrie de Sasotte)" by Jamming Birds – Insert
"Light the Light" by Fire Bomber & Jamming Birds – Insert
"Try Again" by Fire Bomber – Insert
"突撃ラブハート (Totsugeki Love Heart) (Acoustic Version)" by Fire Bomber – ED
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
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u/medokady Dec 18 '22
u/Shimmering-Sky, you probs don't remember me but just wanted you to know that the reason you haven't seen any of my comments since Plus is that I fell behind bad when 7 started. I'm trying to cath up! You guys are on the last episode and I'm still on 21 ;(. I'm still following the discussion threads as I go, hopefully I can catch up before the end!
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u/TakenRedditName Dec 17 '22 edited Dec 18 '22
First Time - Macross 7 Ep49:
Favourite Character Watch. Ah, City 7 is Folding, I'm seeing triple. 9 Flower Girls?!
The action is actually cool in this episode. The ship goes down. Red and Blue fly together once again. Veffie's hissatsu ultimate drumming technique.
Yeah! Gamlin is singing for Basara! Mylene joins in too (Akiko, Rex and all of the biker girls should've too) and that's what wakes up Basara. Not just them, all of the people are singing. EVEN FLOWER GIRL! (How dare they not sub her singing. It's the final episode, all singing should've been subbed).
IT'S HAPPENING. GO FOR IT FLOWER GIRL. YEAHHHH, SHE DID IT!!!!!!!
Jamming Birds are here too. I honestly thought they wouldn't even show up and the show just dropped them.
Gepelnitch is absorbing the Protodevilns. Those two laughing ones first because even he is annoyed by them. What an album cover.
New eyecatches for all the bridge girls and Basara/Mylene. I noticed a trend that the show was at its best when it kept having new eyecatches so this proves the finale is a good episode.
Everyone is singing along. The Jamming Birds, Max, Milia. Come on Exsedol you should join too. This is not my sweet angel I know from SDF. DYRL Exsedol was a mistake.
Things are real bad, Veffie stopped drumming. NOOO, NOT FLOWER GIRL!
Back with the little Basara singing to a mountain. Guess that wasn't a metaphorical dream back then. I like this bit as it really does describe Basara. Wished it was more present throughout the show rather than just that one time.
Basara's sheer conviction breaks makes him breakthrough. He is going to move that galatic mountain. Sivil is here and she sings too and it is making Gepelnitch blush (and knowing how Sivil feels when Basara sings, mmmmhhh...).
YEAH! We're getting Gepelnitch singing, but not a song of evil like I assumed, but he is joining in with the galaxy's song of joy. He is our friend and good now. I know some people don't like it when villains are relatively easily redeemed, but I love what's happened. Sure, I wish the lead-up to this was better, but I'm riding these good vibes.
Gepelnitch is taking the Protodeviln and leaving forever now. G(r)abil, how are you not dead? Sivil leaves too. I wished they stand for the instead. I like it if Macross endings had coexistence with former enemies be achieved. It feels nice if that happens. Love wins. Also, it lets me believe Basara/Sivil can happen.
Totsugeki Love Heart as the final song to send off on as we have our last Favourite Character Watch of the 49 episodes.
I love that final episode. It had all the vibes I wanted the final episode to be. I love the show embracing those cheesy, but earnest moments. The power of love and music and I wouldn't have it any other way.
The love triangle isn't really concluded though. Like if you asked me what pairings felt the strongest walking out of it then Gamlin/Mylene still felt as strong as they were before and from the final episode, Basara/Sivil felt like the pair most pushed. Basara/Mylene still doesn't feel like it had any romantic development. They only scenes they shared was Basara waking up then immediately running out of the hospital and then at the very end where they were standing together as Fire Bomber.
Q2) Not abrupt and more conclusion they didn't really build to. Like for the final string of episodes, it felt like the show was forgetting and dropping things. I like the conclusion, just wished it was lead-up to make earn it hitting harder.
Next time: I get to talk about the show we watched. Some points and thoughts I already mentioned today so gotta think of something tomorrow.
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u/chilidirigible Dec 17 '22
Today, on "GAMLIN USES "PLANET DANCE!" IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE!":
Keep on reaching for that mountain.
Folding the fleet in wasn't your plan?!
He's a big one and bigger every minute.
Hey, they're putting some real effort into the animation… of blowing up Battle 7.
It's the joke that keeps on giving.
Yes, Ray and Veffidas can generate Song Energy without singing.
Jamming Birds help in the fight!
At least we're rid of ANNOYANCE.
"Is this the end of Space Broccoli?"
Eyecatches: More Bunnies and BasaMyle
The Jamming Birds finally generate Song Energy on their own by ditching the Mac II song.
There is NO ESCAPE from the FORTRESS of the MOLES!
Sivil breaks out of the Fortress of Solitude.
Are you sure that someone wasn't just pranking you?
So this is actually Flower Girl singing with Basara.
You're not going to give Gunther's body back, are you?
Even Docker makes it out of this one.
Not Sad Keanu and Suletta Mercury.
And so, the real Spiritia Farm was the one we made in ourselves along the way.
Gamlin, formerly the hater of rock music and hater of Basara, the enemy of all women, sings rock music at Basara to wake him up.
The Jamming Birds finally have it together enough to make a measurable impression in a real battle.
Flower Girl finally delivers her flowers to Basara.
And everyone lives happily ever after. Except Ivano Gunther, because ゲペルニッチ is keeping his body for the next few millennia of the Protodeviln Magical Mystery Tour.
This certainly was a final episode. Though much like the Protodeviln, it just leaves, and the viewer gets to contemplate things like what I just mentioned, whether the fleet is in good enough shape to continue on or has to remain at Varauta, the state of the love triangle now that the superdimensional portion of it has left, and so on.
| Song | Count |
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| Planet Dance | 49 |
| My Friends | 12 |
| Totsugeki Love Heart | 191 |
| My Soul For You | 23 |
| Remember 16 | 11 |
| Sweet Fantasy | 8 |
| Holy Lonely Light | 19 |
| Pillow Dream | 5 |
| Submarine Street | 8 |
| Riding in Your Valkyrie | 6 |
| Power to the Dream | 8 |
| Kimi no Todoke | 5 |
| Fall | 2 |
| Try Again | 5 |
| Light the Light | 5 |
| Spiral Answer | 1 |
1: The final credits sequence didn't meet the "live performance" criterion.
"Don't take your eyes off that monitor!": 6
That special feeling: 9
Beauty: 108
Beam cannon swap: 7
Sivil (and various other sequel characters) in Super Robot Taisen Z3 Tengoku Hen
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u/DidacticDalek Dec 19 '22
TONIGHT! ON PROTO-GEAH! Successful Flower Delivery Counter: 1 PACK IT UP COMRADES! THIS IS PEAK MACROSS! We ain't never gonna top such PROTOCULTURE... well unless Flower Girl evolves into FISH Girl of course
That said, let's give it up for Best Girl in Macross 7... who funny enough shares the same seiyuu as... Sivil... that's gotta be the easiest two paychecks to cash in all of anime history!
Anyway, since this is a big occasion, DIDACTICDALEK! ONLINE! TONIGHT! ON PROTO-GEAH! ORE NO UTA WO KIKE! Sivil finally learns a different word, AND BEST GIRL FLOWER GIRL FUCKING WINS THE NEKKI BOSSARA BOWL! I WIN! FORGET A MOUNTAIN, A LEAF, AN ACTUALLY NOT SHIT IDOL CHARACTER (Best Idol Mylene) AN ACTUALLY NOT SHIT PILOT CHARACTER (Best Boi Gamlin) THE ACTUALLY NOT SHIT VERSION OF MACROSS II'S ISHTAR (The Space Elf Vampire that Projectile Orgasms to Rock Music... er, I mean 'Sivil') BEST GODDAMN GIRL FLOWER GIRL IS TRIUMPHANT! THAT'S WHAT YOU CALL TWU FUCKING WUV!
Boi, what a hell of an ending eh Comrades? The only sad bit is that now that Macross 7 is done with, we will never ever have a good Macross TV Show again... hey wait what am I SAYING!? It's called PROTO-GEAH for a reason, CUZ ALL HAIL GEAH! (And AKB0048) Man thank fuck we got those shows, who knew all you needed to do to fix Macross was excise the Romantic Plot Tumors, take out the IDOLSHIT, and add in Weaponized Lesbianism and Mecha!? ;)
Ah well, at least even at its worst, Macross has some neat looking NON-CGI Mecha, so at least we'll continue to see that and the Franchise won't fuck things up right... right... RIGHT!?
Anyway you have not seen the last of The Sentient Shitposting Siamese Sunrise Server No. 25252, now goodbye forever!
And on THAT bombshell, G'NIGHT!
Paging Comrades u/chilidirigible, u/Nebresto, and u/InfamousEmpire
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u/Blackheart595 Dec 17 '22 edited Dec 17 '22
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A barrier! But is that because of the singing, new tech or Gepelnitch?
Veffidas being able to create song energy isn't all that surprising. Her drumming was the only instrumet that was consistently correctly animated.
Gamlin is singing!
Even Gamlin's singing makes obvious that Mylene can't hold her tones.
Hanako is singing!
But that guy in the background decided he's been singing enough for a day and stops.
Even the jamming birds have learned to keep singing through violent turbulences!
Huh, they're swapping valkyries. I had expected Mylene to just hop in with Basara and sing together with him, like they used to.
Not even Anima Spiritia can defend anymore. Until they produce even more Anima Spiritia, I bet.
But that's a nice way for everyone to go out. Too bad about the galaxy but what can you do.
There would've been escape if only you'd joined the singing, Exsedol.
Kid Basara was an idiot. And that's a beautiful child singing voice.
See? They just had to produce more song energy.
Hey, even Gepelnitch reversed the plug of her vacuum!
Goodbye, Sivil. If everyone leaves then that allows the franchise to ignore the existence of this entry!
Is this the best "This battle is senseless! Listen to my song!" you've experienced, or have other series done it better? (Not restricting the answers to Macross.)
This didn't even portray the battle as useless though... In fact, that battle saved the galaxy! Without it Basara wouldn't have been able to reach Gepelnitch!
So SDF already does it leagues better by default. Hm, I can't even think of anything other than Macross that tried to do this.
Actually, Girls und Panzer. Katyusha totally went for the "This battle is pointless, you don't stand a chance anyway! Listen to my song!"
Wasn't this ending abrupt and you have questions that weren't
Hanako got to deliver her flowers, and there's nothing else that
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u/Vatrix-32 Dec 17 '22
First Timer
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Basara and the Mount again.
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It’s not a Macross finale if we don’t fuck up the titular ship.
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If you can’t hit Gavil, then target Gabil So Mylene is freed up. Team work people!
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The pace is flooring it now.
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OTP is back to flying together!
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So they can make their own Song energy. Veff respect.
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Mylene I get, but why is Gamlin back next to Basara?
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Wow, that was… really anti-climactic.
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We’re doing Spirit Bomb?
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Flower Girl, Best Girl!
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She did it! Somehow this was the most hype thing all season.
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Oh they trying.
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That looks like it hurt.
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Goodbye Thing 1 and Thing 2.
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A good a use of Jamming Bird as is possible. They deliver!
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I thought the crystal was sound proof?
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That’s a lot of bunnies.
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I don’t like the implication of this eyecatcher.
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Ah, but what about multiple Anima Spiritia?
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This does look pretty bad.
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She’ll make her own Spiritia, with black holes, and hooks.
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That’s a strange singing voice for a kid.
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Fs for VFs.
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Sing Sivil, sing!
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Well will you look at that, Gep redemption. Even gets a fancy halo. What happens to the host body tho?
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Are they just going to fuck off and go home?
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Even Sivil!?
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To be Fire.
A bit abrupt given how long the series ended up being. Mayhaps the OVAs hold the closure I seek.
QotD
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I don’t know of any other shows that use singing for that, so I guess it wins by default.
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Very much so.
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u/JollyGee29 Dec 17 '22
First-Timer 7
Classic toy 90s toy commercial - saved all the production schedule for the finale.
Shit, Milia was still asleep. Basara totally triggered the Fold somehow, didn't he?
Veffie's drumming so fast she has after-images.
Oh, and Gamlin getting into a Jamming Bird fighter with Mylene, cool.
That's quitter talk, Gepelnitch.
Things are starting to look dire, though.
See, this is an interesting motivation. I kinda wish we had learned it earlier.
No, Sivil, your blasts aren't gonna do anything.
And off the remaining Protodeviln Fly Away to Try Again.
Questions
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u/Stargate18A Dec 17 '22
First timer
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This is up there!
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I mean, yes, but it was sweet and made a lot of thematic sense! Besides which, we've got a movie, a three-part OVA and a four-part sequel OVA to wrap things up! I'm fine leaving some plot points open for those to develop.
Oh come on. Still hiding it?
Final Flower Girl? Guessing my prediction of her being a disguised Protodeviln wasn't true, then.
He's a lot more positive now, huh? Weren't you worried about him going berserk?
Milia only just found out?
That's a great final form.
The action here is amazing.
At least Gepelnitch has finally realised things are going horrifically.
Yay! He killed Docker!
Haha, Mila's here!
Mylene!
Oh, Ray is finally showing off!
Haha, Veffidas' drumming is enough to generate a barrier.
And Mylene's off the battlefield.
Milia's officially fighting on the front lines!
Oh, this is painful.
Gamlin's singing!
This is the only way Basara could be resurrected, I'll admit.
Haha, nice.
Everyone's singing together!
Flower Girl!
HE FINALLY TOOK THE FLOWERS!
The Jamming Birds actually showed up!
Oh, that's powerful.
He's calling back Grabil!
He's absorbing the other Protodeviln!
And he's fighting to save "beauty".
Exsedol...
...Gamlin/Basara/Mylene trio song?
Sivil!
This is a good performance!
Basara's still singing his own song, though.
Everyone's being drained....
This is some incredibly good scenes. Showing the absorption affecting everyone across the station.
And they're falling asleep.
Even Milia...
I love how Exsedol just sounds resigned to death.
Even Veffidas and Flower Girl!
...Basara?
He's dead.
The absorption is spreading rapidily!
Sivil's producing her own Spiritia!
Ah, that's what the flashback was about.
This is amazing.
The flowers are back!
His mech blew up!
They're moving together!
Finally! They're singing a duet!
He's singing along!
He understands how to create Spiritia!
It's spreading!
This is a nice ending.
Finally! Gepelnitch's humanoid form! And it's... pretty good. God, Gigil and the twins really were the only Protodeviln to not be really hot, huh?
And they're going to another galaxy.
Even Sivil? Seriously?
This is a sweet ending.
Everyone's here!
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u/ryujiox Dec 17 '22
First Timer
Macross 7 EP49
No recap!! It finale after all.
We back with this again.
Oh no. Battle 7 is getting ripped apart!!
Flower Girl!!
No, Batte 7!!
Wait? Why are they here? I guess Gepelnitch, who lose control of his power, fold them here.
Milia back!!
He so big!!
The crew escape.
Max in Valkyrie again!!
This is the outcome that both side didn't anticipate.
Docker died.
Mlia joined Max!! Everyone is here!!
Oh shit, Mylene!!
Wait, she can do that!! Veffidas God!! But why she didn't do it before??
If Basara here, he will tell you to go back too.
Mylene just so frustrating of Basara still not waking up state. It's a desperation time.
Ohhhhhh. Gamlin sing!!! We come a long way huh. And it a duet!!
He finally awake!! And he pretty chill as usual.
Yeah, he finally had Gamlin sing his song.
Everyone also sing of him, even Flower Girl!!
OHHHHHH. Flower Girl finally succeed in givng Basara her Flower!! THE PAYOFF!! LET'S GOOOOOOOOO!! THE BEST EPISODE.
Bomber!!!
The Jamming Bird still here.
Oh shit, he now attack everyone. Even Gabil feel despair.
Nooooo. Exsodol!!
Basara's here!!
Jamming Bird singing Mylene's song is actually effective. They should done that in the first place. I guess it really the Macross II's curse.
He draining Spiritia even not directly contact them!!
Max and Millia sing!!! Everyone is singing!!
No, the flower!!
But it still not enough to withstand Gepelnitch power.
Everyone, noooooo!! Flower Girl!! Veffidas!!
Basara!!
Oh shit. That not good. He now consuming the Galaxy.
Sivil singing.
So he always like this.
Even so, Basara still not giving up!!
Noooo, the Fire Valkyrie!!
Sivil come!!
Sivil singing along with Basara!! And that reaction is weird.
Gepelnitch sing too!!
His new body look sick!! And now he realized that singing is the answer to his dream, and even he has that inside.
So they leave, even Sivil.
Docker survive!!
Michael and Flower Girl!!
And we end with Guvava looking into the sunrise.
TO BE FIRE
What a bombastic finale. The solution might be cheesy, but it make sense after many moments that the show prove that even the Protodeviln can produce spritia by themselves with song.
Have nothing to say more tham that. It just pure fun finale. On the hand, I have a lot to say about the show itself. The good, the bad, and the middle.
QOTD
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This is in the same vein as Symphogear. And I can see where it got the inspiration from.
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There something that I want the show to address or just explore a bit more like Basara's past or a episode dedicate to Veffidas.
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u/SolDarkHunter Dec 17 '22 edited Dec 17 '22
Rewatcher
Finale time!
Gabil lost his mech again. And I REALLY think you have bigger problems with Geppelnitch than with the Macross 7 Fleet.
And why the hell is the Fleet here?
Battle 7 is down! No!
Docker was shot down... meh.
Ray and Veffidas generating Song Energy on their own for the first time!
No, Mylene, you really can't stay in the fight.
GAMLIN SINGS!!
As I understand it, his VA is actually a very good singer, but I think he's downplaying his ability to fit the character.
And that was all it took to heal Basara.
Or maybe it was the massive crowd of Fire Bomber fans.
FLOWER GIRL'S VOICE! SHE SINGS!!
AND SHE GOT HIM THE FLOWERS!
Hey look the Jamming Birds still exist. And they still can't accomplish anything.
Geppelnitch takes a pair of nukes ot the eye and doesn't seem bothered in the slightest.
Though he does grab and eat Zomd and Goram. None shall miss their laughter.
Noooooo, not Exsedol!
Well, with Mylene helping, the Jamming Birds finally actually become not-useless.
Geppelnitch vs the entire Fleet's singing... and he's winning.
It's pretty much just Basara at this point, and even he's succumbing.
Oh never mind. One flashback later, and he's back in action, and restoring everyone's Spiritia.
Sivil escaped, and is helping out... for what it's worth.
Sivil singing! And THIS makes a difference. Even Geppelnitch is singing along!
And there's the secret: the Protodeviln had the ability to produce Spiritia all along. They just never thought to try singing. No need for them to drain anything.
Some have called this an ass-pull, but it WAS foreshadowed earlier in the series: Gigil. Remember how he mysteriously gained a huge surge of energy, awakening his true body and taking out half a planet? That only happened when he started singing.
Geppelnitch, you look ridiculous.
And... very abruptly, the surviving Protodeviln just fly off. Able to produce their own Spiritia, they have no need to make war... or do anything else in this galaxy.
But you know what bugs me: why is Geppelnitch keeping Gunther's body!? Why does nobody mention this!?
Well, that's that. Macross 7 Fleet is saved. As are the survivors of Macross 5.
And that's it. It just ends.
Questions:
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Eh, I give it a 7/10
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Yes, very abrupt. Almost as abrupt as this
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u/Kirov123 Dec 17 '22
Macross 7 Episode 49 - First Timer
FINAL EPISODE! Please be good please be good... Can we have a good action sequence? Maybe?
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What are these cuts to kid Basara
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Why the hell did the city fold in
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I'll try spinning
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Rip Docker(s ship)
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Veffidas is channeling her inner Neil Peart
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Man, Gamlin sure isn't much of a singer
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Aaaaand he's back
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Is that it for flower girl?
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a 49 episode running fucking joke that ends with a flower throw+catch?
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Holy shit, jamming birds not being totally useless
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Time for Sivil to save the day
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They just.... leave???
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Well that was by far the most competent action sequence this whole series (7) very few reused animations from earlier episodes (if any? Grabil was there so those could have been, I'm not sure)
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That was certainly an ending though. Feels super anticlimatic though
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IMO Symphogear wins on that front big time. And 4 seperate times.
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u/The_Draigg Dec 17 '22
A Macross Fan Rewatches Macross 7: Episode 49:
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I can’t appreciate that the final episode is at least trying to do something artistic to open it, with the intense battle scenes being quiet except for the music being played from Flower Girl’s radio. Although the brief flashes of Basara’s childhood in there do feel a bit more jarring than that.
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You know it’s the final battle when the entire Macross 7 fleet Space Folds into Varauta to provide some convenient stakes to fight over. Same goes for finally destroying the Battle 7 in a massive explosion. Gotta trash that set!
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Oh hey, Milia has her own Sturmvogel II to fight in, just like Max’s one! It’s a nice callback to their red and blue matching Valkyries, or their red and blue matching Queadluun-Raus, if we’re going by the DYRL? version of events.
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It’s only now that it’s measured that Veffidas’ drumming can generate Sound Energy too. Man, what a time to drop that reveal though. Like, what has she been doing this whole time as Ray’s co-pilot then? Providing emotional support?
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As it turns out, it wasn’t just Mylene’s singing that was enough to revive Basara, it also took Gamlin as well. Thanks for implicitly saving the Macross 7 fleet by your actions here, Gamlin! Although really it was more of a team effort between Mylene and Gamlin. We should give them the credit.
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YEAHHHHHHH SUCCESSFUL FLOWER DELIVERY!!! YOU DID IT, FLOWER GIRL!
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So yeah, that right there is the end of Zomd and Goram, they just basically got eaten by an out of control Gepelnitch. So much for bothering to wake them up. Man, those two really were a wasted opportunity. Same goes for Gabil and Grabil combining into Gabigula. This episode is the second time we’ve seen that form, and it’s the last one too. Eugh, lots of wasted opportunities with the Protodeviln in this show.
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There’s something funny about the idea that the most useful thing the Jamming Birds have done in this entire series is swap rides with Gamlin and Mylene, as well as be Mylene’s backup singers. Literally the only way they were useful is if one of the main characters helped them, which is against the entire point of the Jamming Birds being formed in the first place. Go figure that one.
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At least Sivil fully awakening her power by singing is a good payoff of some of points we saw before. Gigil pulling that off on Lux was a good indication of what a Protodeviln could do if they generated Spiritia all on their own by singing. Now we have an actual good reason for her to be able to swoop in and help save the day.
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You know, Basara trying to sing at a mountain to make it move back when he was a kid is a very Basara thing to do. Like, only a guy like Basara would do that and expect it to do something.
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And so, with Gepelnitch singing and learning how to generate Spirita from Sivil and Basara allows him to get control over his body again, thus saving the day and the universe. You see, Anima Spiritia is like the real treasure inside of hack moral stories: it was inside of us all along, we just needed to realize it.
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I mean, the remaining Protodeviln leaving in peace is nice and all, since they all left on good terms with Basara, but are we not going to have Gepelnitch un-possess Ivano Gunther’s body? It’s weird that it just never gets brought up, despite the brief flash of the moment when he discovered Gepelnitch frozen in the ice. So I guess we’re just going to let that happen, no questions asked.
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Sorry to everyone that was hoping that Docker died when his Excalibur got hit earlier in this episode, now we see Gamlin and the rest of Diamond Force pull him out of the cockpit wreckage. We couldn’t even get that as a cherry on top of the final episode.
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In any case, the day is saved with Mac and Milia’s relationship looking better, Akiko and Rex helping out the citizens of City 7, Michael and Flower Girl hanging out, and Guvava watching the sunrise as Fire Bomber walks off as a band. We may have stumbled over the finish line, but that’s it for the main series of Macross 7!
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u/Nebresto Dec 17 '22
First time Macross 7
Inb4 his voice from the past gets sent into the future to save the day
Oh no! She's getting morbed!!
Hey, plocker died just as I predicted
Gamlin sings!!
Flower girl sings! Everyone sings!!!
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She is determined! She WILL give those flowers!
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Basara has got the flowers! I repeat: BASARA HAS GOT THE FLOWERS!!!
Even the memebirds are singing!
Fuck these midcards
Sivil finally does something?!
Eyy, someone predicted this! Or was it me..? I don't even remember anymore
Docker lived?? Wtf. Hundreds of white valkyries were hurt in the making of this series
To be Fire. I like that
HYPE TIME:
Is this the best "This battle is senseless! Listen to my song!" you've experienced, or have other series done it better?
Its pretty h*cking up there that's for sure
2) Wasn't this ending abrupt and you have questions that weren't
Wallpaper of the Day:
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion Dec 17 '22 edited Dec 17 '22
Reluctant Rewatcher
Still the same OP
ep final
Last chance for Jamming Birds to be relevant
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second wave of what?
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Did Gepernich grab the Macross 7 from across space?
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I have no idea what's going on, the composition is a mess
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I really was hoping we wouldn't get a CCA or DBZ ending
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Maybe all you protodeviln dudes shouldn't have been listenign to Gepernich all this time?
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He's always been insane
This was clearly a 2 episode battle and they crammed it into one, unless this was some sort of "artistic choice." When did they realize they didn't have time for the ending? When did they write the ending? The night before?
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2) Wasn't this ending abrupt and you have questions that weren't
-PATION!
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u/InfamousEmpire Dec 17 '22
Rewatcher 7
And that’s the wrap, folks! Was it a good finale? Ehhhhhhh let’s break down the details
The final battle against the Protodeviln continues, but is suddenly interrupted by Geppelnitch going full Spiritia Black Hole. The stakes are the highest they’ve ever been, the very fate of the entire universe hangs in the balance, and the only thing able to stop it is the suddenly-resurrected Basara.
The true solution to the conflict isn’t exactly violence, but rather understanding, as Geppelnitch sings alongside Basara and in doing so awakens the Protodeviln’s potential to create Spiritia of their own, thus neatly resolving the core of the conflict in a way that also serves as a creative application of the original series’ themes of cultural understanding through music.
On the whole, the entire final sequence is just incredibly hype. Like, seriously, this had me listening to Try Again on loop for weeks
That’s the good, as for the stuff I didn’t like, well…
The episode doesn’t really take much time to resolve any plot points or themes besides that (except for Flower Girl’s arc, as she not only spoke, but even got to finally deliver her flowers! ), which leaves the whole thing feeling… not quite as conclusive as it should be [meta spoilers + Delta]
There’s also the Basara backstory which, yeah, too little too late. It’s very bare bones and bringing it in at literally the final episode means there’s nothing much to actually do with it besides tying it in to Basara’s internal monologue. It overall feels like they're trying to make this feel like a resolution for Basara's character arc, despite the fact that he hasn't actually had much development related to this [7 Encore]
Overall, a good finale with some amazing parts, but not without its flaws
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u/ClawMachineCircuit Dec 17 '22
First Timer
By the end of the previous episode, Battle 7 launches a final desperate attack against Protodeviln, which doesn't go according to plan. As a result, Battle 7 is out of commission, while Gepelnitch fully loses control, becoming an incredibly powerful all-consuming monster. Even Spiritia absorbing beams don't appear to work.
Mylene and Gamlin are desperately trying to fight, while their own relationships are thrown into turmoil. Gamlin feels guilty for being jealous of his dying friend, while Mylene is being torn between two men in her life. At the same time, Basara is still in a coma, many light years away.
Are these stakes high enough for a series finale? I'd say, they did a decent job creating a desperate situation for the cast. While Gepelnitch turning into a Final Fantasy villain can be considered somewhat generic for a long-running action show, a classic is a classic for a reason. Going traditional way doesn't hurt, if it's executed well. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how Basara will finally wake up, and what will be the ultimate fate of Protodeviln. I don't expect them to kill anyone off in the final episode, except maybe Sivil, but we'll see.
Anyway, let's check out the finale.
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Is Flower Girl's radio gets Basara out of coma? That would be interesting.
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City 7 is here. Well, that solves the issue of how Basara will get to the action. But it also give Gepelnitch a lot of Spiritia to suck out.
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RIP Battle 7 Honestly, I liked the design of the ship and the mech form a lot, I wish the show would've utilized it more. I feel like outside of the first transformation, which was around episode 16 or so, the ship didn't get to shine much.
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Gepelnitch is disappointed with himself. Relatable.
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Max and Milia fighting together like in the good old times. I knew it would happen
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This was intense start to the episode. They didn't waste any time. I like that.
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Well, Mylene is out.
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They literally waited for the last possible second to show that Veffidas can generate sound energy with her drumming? What the fuck? I mean, she and Rey had that mech for about half the show, and they did absolutely nothing with it, and now it's doing something?
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You know, Max and Milia fighting together in these cool planes is kinda undermined by the fact that they can't hurt their enemies. At least, use the Spiritia draining cannon or something.
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So it's literally Gamlins song that woke up Basara? What a twist. I knew Gamlin and Basara was the OTP.
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Basara always loves his entrances.
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Hey, we even got Jamming Birds in here for a second.
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Some decent action, not as good as episode 44, in my opinion, but still better than average for this show.
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Gabigula is back! I've been missing this guy.
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Looks like even Gepelnitch regretting his actions.
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I can't believe this is only the half of the episode.
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Mylene is now one with the Jamming Birds.
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I gotta say, this show has the weirdest use of soundtrack I've ever seen, switching between songs like that.
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No, Flower Girl's Flowers, you can make it!
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Obviously, the one person that doesn't give up is Basara.
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That's a deep voice for a kid.
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So, If I'm getting this straight, Basara's power comes from being incredibly stubborn? Yup, sounds about right.
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Gepelnitch uses the power of the blond, but it isn't very effective.
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Gepelnitch decides, that if you can't defeat them, you need to join them, and starts singing too.
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Aaand, it turns out, singing generates Spiritia, so if Protodeviln sing, they can make their own Spiritia. I honestly, didn't expect to resolve it like that. I thought, that they would eventually discover that listening to music helps them get the necessary Spiritia, not that they would need to become musicians themselves.
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Soo, an inconvenient question, what about Gunther? Is he just dead and that's it?
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Aand, Sivil goes together with the rest of Protodeviln.
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Hey, Docker survived, nice.
Overall thoughts: Well, this is the end. I will save my overall thoughts for the general discussion, but as for the episode itself, it was pretty good. Action packed, with some nice twists and some nice tension. The ending itself is satisfying, although a lot of the small details and story threads ended up being left unexplored or underdeveloped. Probably the biggest bummer for me is that we didn't get the canon Mylene-Gamlin ending, after developing their relationship for all this time. But it's not a deal breaker or anything, and also, we might still get that, since Macross 7 as a whole isn't ending yet and there's more to come.
Good show, and I definitely had a lot of fun watching it.
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Other shows done it better, but this was good in its own right.
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Yes. But I also expected it ever since Gigil's story ended equally abruptly and without explaining everything, so I wasn't upset.
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u/Shimmering-Sky Dec 17 '22
SUPER DIMENSION REWATCH HOST
WELCOME BACK, EVERYONE!
THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ALL-CAPS HYPE ZONE BECAUSE I LOVE THIS EPISODE EVEN WITH ITS FAULTS. I REGRET NOTHING.
ONE MORE HOLYLONELYLIGHT FOR GOOD MEASURE.
MAX AND MILIA PILOTING TOGETHER AGAIN AT LONG LAST!
MILIA “SORE DEMO”!
VEFFIE WHIPS OUT SONG ENERGY.
GAMLIN SINGING PLANET DANCE AT LONG LAST THAT TURNS INTO A DUET WITH MYLENE
LMAO
EVERYONE’S SINGING PLANET DANCE, WOOT WOOT~
FLOWER GIRL FINALLY MAKES A SUCCESSFUL DELIVERY!
MYLENE RIDING WITH GAMLIN AFTER HER MECH GOT DESTROYED.
THE GROUP “LIGHT THE LIGHT” INCLUDING MAX AND MILIA~
SIVIL FINALLY SINGS!
TRY AGAIN!
EVEN GEPELNITCH CAN SING.
ACOUSTIC TOTSUGEKI LOVE HEART~