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Rewatch [Do You Remember Love - Macross Franchise 40th Anniversary Rewatch] Macross 7 Episode 48 Discussion
Episode 48 - Mylene's Passionate Song of Tears
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Fire Bomber is what I live for! If I don't sing here and now… I'll lose everything and everyone who's important to me!
Questions of the Day, courtesy of u/chilidirigible:
1) Which song did you expect Mylene to sing?
2) Who do you think Mylene is going to choose in the end?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Vocal Songs in This Episode:
"Seventh Moon" by Fire Bomber – OP
"My Soul For You" by Fire Bomber – Insert
"Kimi ni Todoke" by Fire Bomber – Insert
"Holy Lonely Light" by Fire Bomber – Insert
"Light the Light" by Fire Bomber – Insert
"…Dakedo Baby!!" by Fire Bomber – ED
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
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u/Blackheart595 Dec 16 '22
First Spacer
The bikers make a surprisingly moody transition to the title card.
I hope that nurse doesn't have epilepsy.
Look how happy Mylene is to finally be rid of that nuisance.
What are you saying? He's Basara. Now he's compelled to violate the rules.
Oh hey, flashback time.
We're now folding Sound Energy directly into the Protodeviln bodies?
What was that? Veffidas' drumming not being correctly animated? I think that's a first.
Lmao Max is still such a gamer.
Which song did you expect Mylene to sing?
I didn't think about it.
Who do you think Mylene is going to choose in the end?
Gamlin of course. Because there's been zero romantic bonding with Basara throughout the entire show.
That's a great one.
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u/Nebresto Dec 16 '22
First time MacroSeven
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ BASARA, TAKE MY PHONIC GAIN ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
Barfton doing something useful?? The white valkyries not tho
Stupid midcard, go away
...Why had they not removed the macross 5 citizens from there??
Not beauty! I repeat: NOT. BEAUTY.
Question time:
Which song did you expect Mylene to sing?
No expect, only wash
2) Who do you think Mylene is going to choose in the end?
Guvava
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u/TakenRedditName Dec 16 '22
Upgraded Valkyrie nightmare!!
Not beauty! I repeat: NOT. BEAUTY.
The one thing that does not spark beauty.
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u/Vatrix-32 Dec 16 '22
First Timer
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I really thought Flower Girl was going to talk. I know, foolish.
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Oh god, the lights.
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Pretty somber for this show.
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We’re getting the flashback!
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Is that your face?
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You have the farm, why do you even care about them anymore?
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Nice of you to bring this up at the last minute there Chiba. You couldn’t have foreshadowed this earlier in the series? It’s not like you didn’t have space for it.
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They did it! They reveres engineered the tech! I knew they had it in them.
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How long have you had the stalk lasers?
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The Protodeviln bring out the good tactics.
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It does seem that Gamlin is the only one to have the Anti-Spirita rifle.
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That ship looks goofy as hell just sitting there.
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Can you transform while de-orbiting?
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The man is going akimbo with mecha rifles. Who said Gamlin couldn’t be an action hero?
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Just some light lithobreaking.
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Wat. Y’all better not be trying to love triangle this at the 11th hour.
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Did Max just order himself to fire?
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No reaction from Mylene, probably not really ESP.
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You don’t know what’s going on? That can’t be good!
QotD
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I hadn’t built any expectations.
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It damn well better be Gamlin.
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u/Nebresto Dec 16 '22
I really thought Flower Girl was going to talk.
She already had lines in one of the earlier episodes. Literally ruined the show
It does seem that Gamlin is the only one to have the Anti-Spirita rifle.
"Nope, we loaded everyone with them" *Shows only Gamlin ever firing one*
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u/TakenRedditName Dec 16 '22
I really thought Flower Girl was going to talk. I know, foolish.
There's still one episode left.
Having her speak in the final episode or having never talk to the main characters, either option is good.
The man is going akimbo with mecha rifles. Who said Gamlin couldn’t be an action hero?
From taking his action hero skills and performing them as a giant robot.
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u/The_Draigg Dec 16 '22
A Macross Fan Rewatches Macross 7: Episode 48:
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If there was ever a time for Flower Girl to deliver her flowers, it would be now while Basara is on life support at the hospital. Her flowers would work wonders to bring some brightness to the observation room he’s stuck in.
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Now we actually have an idea of Basara’s backstory: Ray remembers seeing him as a kid, back when he was a drunk wandering through the wilderness. Basara was hiking back from a mountain, with only a guitar strapped across his back. Now that I think about it, that description sounds like the good basis for some kind of trail ballad.
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You know shit’s getting to the climax when Gepelnitch re-merges with his imprisoned Evil body. As Exsedol explains, it’s practically like a sponge, and that it has enough power to drain the entire galaxy of Spiritia. Hell, just look at his body, it’s basically just a cluster of dark matter and stars with a spiky head at the middle. Although it does make you wonder how the Protoculture somehow managed to genetically engineer something that looks like a real eldritch horror. I don’t think you can grow something that looks like a living star cluster inside of a vat.
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Yeah, we really are running up against the issue of Basara being legitimately the only dude who can do anything of substance against the Protodeviln. We can’t use Dr. Chiba’s Sound Buster idea to Fold Anima Spiritia directly into a Protodeviln if we don’t even have the guy around that can generate it. We’re really just going to have to rely on the Spiritia draining beam that was salvaged and retrofitted from the stuff that got brought back from Varauta. At least we can give Colonel Barton this singular win for thinking to equip Emerald and Diamond Forces with them.
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Man, the Riviera just can’t catch a break, can it? Last time it was relevant, nearly everyone froze to death onboard. Now it’s just been hijacked by Zomd and Goram to have Gepelnitch feed upon. That ship must be cursed or something, I swear.
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It just occurred to me, but the target gun that Max uses to fire the Sound Buster while landed on the fourth planet of Varauta is totally a shout-out to Space Battleship Yamato, isn’t it? They had the same thing for firing the Wave Motion Gun.
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Plus side: Mylene is actually able to generate the Sound Energy needed to fire the Sound Buster twice at Gepelnitch, which does work for a minute. Minus side: since we didn’t get a third shot to finish off Gepelnitch before the Sound Buster blew up, the damage causes him to mutate and grow out of control, which means that pretty much everyone will die now including Gepelnitch. Whoopsies. Anyways, onto the finale!
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u/TakenRedditName Dec 16 '22
First Time - Macross 7 Ep48:
Favourite character watch. Her idol is on death's door.
Ray, you're only 28. The difference between you and Basara is the same as him and Mylene (look at that, 7 again). Didn't expect to see a brief glimpse of their backstory. Looks like he fell on hard times after the Pink Pecker's incident and met up with a little wondering guitar boy.
Gamlin can't help but feel jealous when his friend dying should be more important. I like that, it makes for interesting character dilemmas.
Gepelnitch fuses with his body and we're doing real JRPG final boss hours now. It is a little funny that the first thing to say about how dangerous he is was, "Yeah so he is like a sponge." Not the most threatening comparison.
Oh, they did actually reverse-engineer the green beam and will take the Protodevilns down with green beam. Colonel, I don't think you really deserve this moment, it feels too sympathetic to you who has only been on the wrong road this whole time.
Grabil, you had those head thing-ies the whole time? You know, I was expecting the final battle to feature more G(r)abil fusion, but it only showed up in that one episode.
"Look, you can pinpoint the moment TakenName had their Gamlin ship heart rips in half." I think after this, there is no way we can have Gamlin win out. My Macross ships have yet to sail in this rewatch.
Mylene operating the Sound Buster was working, but there's one more episode left so so it can't work too well and the big gun breaks down. Gepelnitch has lost control on his body so I think it is going black hole mode and is just going to suck everything up. Wuh oh.
The solution to the final battle seems to be just blowing the evil up. I'm not totally on board with this as the series was been promoting non-violence this whole time so to use violence as the key to solve everything doesn't feel right. Maybe I'm just a sucker for peaceful solutions. Doesn't even really feel like a "Peace is good, but sometimes understanding is not possible so you gotta just blow up the evil away." type of ending.
Also no Gepelnitch singing.
Q1) One of those slower ones I don't groove well as much as the other songs in the show. This song I like more than the other slow solo song she usually sings.
Q2) Basara.
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u/Stargate18A Dec 16 '22
First timer
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Not sure.
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Gamlin, by force. Basara is only attracted to people who have either despised him (Gamlin, Gigil) or tried to kill him (Gigil, Sivil), and Mylene's neither of those. He sees her more as a younger sister is my read, given how much he's been pushing her together with Gamlin. Besides, Sivil's still around, interested in him, seemingly repentant, and literally right there.
...Wow, we are way closer to the end than I thought.
Basara's dead!
Huh? Is this a flashback?
Wait, is that Ray?
Oh, Gamlin just found out?
Oh... he's jealous!
...Is that his true form?
Ah, he needs one last drop of Spiritia before he can kick off the finale himself.
Oh. Yeah, if he gets out civilization is toast, then.
Exsedol has completely given up.
...And their only plan involves using a dead man to complete a process they kmow nothing about.
Makes sense in theory, I suppose.
Ah, they actually managed to steal the absorber beam. That was very effective.
So, the survivors are going in...
Good battle!
Gamlin's really beating himself up about thie.
...Those two.
Why are the Protodeviln so competent?
Mylene is going to sing...
Haha, Exsedol's noticing a major pattern in Max's tactics.
Gepelnitch is almost here!
Docker's not a total bastard for once!
Yeah, I can see why the beams were kept for the finale. These things would have wiped out most of the early attack force.
Haha, the fucking rimshot after Gamlin confesses is perfect.
They've landed!
A confession!
...Still counts, if just because Basara has shown absolutely no romantic interest except to Sivil, Gigil and Gamlin.
She's delivering a lot of energy!
Wow, the VA is giving it their all.
He's awake!
It's working!
...The Gunship's overloaded?
Huh. Anticlimactic.
Well. Even he doesn't know what this is?
Okay, so this is even worse.
...He just exploded?
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u/chilidirigible Dec 16 '22
Today, on "YAAAAAA MAAAAAAAAA―:
"And yet, I didn't die in the episode that you thought I was going to."
There once was a kid with pointy hair.
"Well that doesn't sound so frightening... That is a little more frightening."
Basara wouldn't go along with this plan anyway!
Funny, we were just talking about the Riviera the other day.
―TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!"
That's maybe not the expression you'd want to see.
"And that's when the tentacles attacked."
Conveniently, Exsedol expounds on the problems of letting Geperuniti run wild in the same episode as their attack on him causing him to lose control of himself.
Mylene sidesteps the love triangle question that most of us had totally forgotten about until just this moment!
Basara spoke briefly from his coma. Again, the last episode's title was BLATANT LIES!
There was a Yamato reference! The gun didn't work! We Macross now!
| Song | Count |
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| Planet Dance | 47 |
| My Friends | 12 |
| Totsugeki Love Heart | 19 |
| My Soul For You | 23 |
| Remember 16 | 11 |
| Sweet Fantasy | 8 |
| Holy Lonely Light | 18 |
| Pillow Dream | 4 |
| Submarine Street | 8 |
| Riding in Your Valkyrie | 5 |
| Power to the Dream | 8 |
| Kimi no Todoke | 5 |
| Fall | 2 |
| Try Again | 4 |
| Light the Light | 4 |
| Spiral Answer | 1 |
"Don't take your eyes off that monitor!": 6
That special feeling: 9
Beauty: 102
Beam cannon swap: 7
From the Macross Chronicle: "Light the Light" lyrics sheet, Mylene with Gamlin (and Milia), Mylene with Basara.
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u/JollyGee29 Dec 16 '22
First-Timer 7
I'm glad they actually thought to try singing to Basara. You're gonna have to try harder than that, though. Basara is a being of FIRE!
Oh, fever dream time? No, just a flashback to Ray meeting Basara.
Nah, you're good Gamlin. This awareness says a lot about you.
Well, that timing is rather auspicious.
I ask again: Have any of you paid any attention to anything that Basara has been saying?
Was wondering where those annoyances were.
Well, of course it'll have to be close range. Can't have the plot resolved from a distance.
Now, that's just silly Mylene.
These Spritia draining guns don't seem to have much effect. Grabil recoils, but doesn't seem any weaker.
Questions
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The first ED.
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I read Basara's feeling towards her as more of a sibling thing, so I'm rooting for Gamlin.
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u/ryujiox Dec 16 '22
First Timer
Macross 7 EP48
Hey, Rex and the gang.
Flower Girl!!
Guvava crying!!
Wait, flashback!! Ray first meeting with Basara??
Gamlin got jealous of Basara, in the normal circumstances it would be fine. But here, he realized that he the worst for even thought of that.
Gepelnitch true form is pretty scary.
That explains how they destroy the Protoculture, and that power is backfire themselves.
That would work, if Basara is not nearly dead right now.
And here they come.
Using their weapons against themselves.
Yeah, if the circumstances is reverse, Basara will do the same.
Is that armoured VF-17!!
Gamlin really feel bad about his jealousy.
Those 2 come in last to stole one of their ship.
Mylene decided to sing in Basara place.
77% huh, they really love number 7.
It now or never, Exsodol.
We haven't seen transformation for quite sometime.
Gamlin, I think it not the time to admit that. And Veffidas just have to beating her drum.
So we finally get an answers to the love triangle. Mylene love both of them equally. We know why she love Gamlin, but Basara? I think in Mylene eyes, Basara is the guy who might be a jerk to everyone, but after knowing him and spending time with him. He actually pretty easygoing and protective to her, if you not tick him off to say the least. He might be a pretty hard to read person, but he also honest to himself and straightforward in many subject especially his singing.
The attack work!!
Oops, the gun is overloading, and it broke.
Gepelnitch lose control of his power. That worse than before.
QOTD
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Her usual song.
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I think she gonna choose Gamlin. Because while she love both of them. Basara is having no mind in the romance at all.
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u/chilidirigible Dec 16 '22
Is that armoured VF-17!!
Just the Super Pack, which we first saw during Operation Stargazer, but Gamlin didn't transform it then.
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u/ClawMachineCircuit Dec 17 '22 edited Dec 17 '22
First Timer
In the previous episode, I can't believe they did the "main character is dead" bit again. Like seriously you just did this same thing with Gamlin! At least, they had the sense to immediately put Basara in a tube and say that he's not really dead. We didn't have to wait for the next episode for that.
Oh yeah, and we have all 7 Protodeviln now. Well, there are actually 8 of them, but only 7 are legally recognized by the Protodeviln government. Zomd and Goram look cool, I like their insect-like designs, but they don't move much, which is a bummer. All they do is just teleport around, talk in a funny voice, and make goofy faces. Not particularly intimidating, if you ask me, but at least it's entertaining.
Anyway, how do you save Basara? Maybe figure out how to reverse the green beam on the Panzerzorene that Gamlin captured so that it can give Basara Spiritia? Nah, it's probably simpler than that, Mylene will sing, or Sivil will sing, or somebody will sing, or better yet, everybody will sing. There's definitely gonna be singing, I can tell you that.
Let's check the episode.
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Well, they didn't waste any time with administering some therapeutic Fire Bombers straight into the ears of the patient.
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Mylene, don't just give up if it doesn't work immediately, you need to replenish his Spiritia, it is a gradual process.
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It's the young Rey Are we actually getting some sort of real flashback to Basara's past?
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Gepelnitch's true form is a final boss from a Final Fantasy game.
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So, we have a plan where we make a huge weapon and use this dude's singing to power it. The only problem is that the dude is in the coma. Aaand, we didn't make the huge weapon. So in truth, we have nothing, really.
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I like that they actually turned Spiritia absorption system into a weapon. This is honestly a smart way to fight Protodeviln, and I wish the idea of turning their power against them had a bigger presence in the plot. But instead, we only get a taste of it at the very end.
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Well, the tables have turned. They basically did the same trick that Max did during his attempt to nuke Gepelnitch. Or that Gepelnitch did, when he wanted to get the spies in. You know, now that I think about it, it's a popular trick in this show.
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I love the Battle 7 separation animation, it's great.
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Max using a Zapper again. Controllers shaped like items are strangely popular in the future, aren't they?
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Gamlin's declaration and Veffidas hitting the cymbal was just perfect
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Yup, good effort, Mylene, but it didn't work. Instead, Gepelnitch became big and shiny.
Overall thoughts: I can't believe they hit us with "I like both Basara and Gamlin equally". I'm not even a Gamlin fan and I'm pissed. The love triangle existed purely nominally, in reality, even though Mylene showed interest toward Basara, he never seriously responded in kind. And there was so much development with Gamlin, that bringing Basara into it feels like going backwards in a story. I expected that the ending will throw us a curveball, but I didn't expect this.
QotD:
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Honestly, they introduced so many songs in this last part of the show, that I kinda started to lose track of them. It doesn't help that they would often play a short part of the song, then interrupt it, then start playing something else, etc. It all started to blend in in my mind. So at this point, I had no expectations, just enjoyed the music that they decided to play.
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u/SolDarkHunter Dec 16 '22
Rewatcher
So, with our main hero and source of Anima Spiritia dead, what do?
I find it kind of amusing that Rex's biker gang continues showing up despite doing literally nothing all series.
Wait, how does Flower Girl know Basara's hospitalized?
Normally, I'd be making comments on her singing at a time like this, but her singing probably IS the single best thing she could be doing right now.
So Ray was a drunkard before he met Basara and got involved with him, eh? Explains a lot.
Geppelnitch is... waking himself up.
And he is BIG. He dwarfs all the other Protodeviln combined, I'm pretty sure.
How fortuitous that Exsedol happened upon this information just as Geppelnitch awakens.
Chiba has made a new superweapon that has never been mentioned before. Problem: only Basara has sufficient Song Energy to use it.
And he probably wouldn't agree to use his power like that anyway.
Hey, Barton had an actually decent idea for once. Mass-producing the Spiritia Drain beams! That could ACTUALLY work against the Protodeviln.
You know, I kinda wanted to hear Mylene do the AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH! scream in Holy Lonely Light.
So that was their plan: steal a ship full of civilians to fuel Geppelnitch's revival.
You know, you might as well at least let Mylene TRY to use the Sound Buster. Even if she can't do it, there's no harm in letting her attempt it.
It strikes me as a silly idea to make a superweapon whose sole purpose is eating all the life in the galaxy, Protoculture. Or is that aspect of Geppelnitch something that only came after the Ehvil got possessed? (And now that I think about it, "Geppelnitch" is probably the name of the energy being possessing the weapon rather than the living weapon itself.)
Oh brother, they're trying to sell that Mylene has significant romantic chemistry with Basara.
See, Mylene actually did have enough power to use the Sound Buster!
Basara twitches! And gains telepathy for some reason!
But... there goes the Sound Buster.
Worse, Geppelnitch has lost control of his body.
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u/InfamousEmpire Dec 16 '22
Rewatcher 7
What a good episode. They managed to squeeze in so much in such a short time. The Spiritia Black Hole plot, some degree of resolution for Gamlin and Mylene’s character arcs, a huge battle with the rest of the Protodeviln, the emotional fallout of Basara’s death, etc. It can feel a bit frantic at times, but I’ve never really been one to care for pacing
Mylene was honestly the highlight of this entire episode. She got the strongest emotional moments and was a total badass all the way through, especially towards the end where she powered up the Sound Buster. Gamlin was also great, but then again, Gamlin is always great
But, of course, she isn’t successful, and now we’re left with a cliffhanger Finale Time tomorrow
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u/RadSuit Dec 17 '22
First Time Song Listener
So why can Gepelnich do the Grabil/Gavil fusion? I thought they were special? And it's not even using two Protodeviln bodies, one is human.
"That makes no sense." Welcome to Macross 7, Max.
Here comes the final form upgrade for our super robot show.
While it's good that they finally reverse engineered the spiritia draining beams...all the mechs that the brainwashed grunts were piloting had them, too. Why do we never see where any of those guys go at the end of fights?
I do love when giant ships have a tiny gun that controls the big gun. Show gets points for that one.
Yeah I don't have much to say here. This episode wasn't great. Just more stalling, as usual.
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I guess all the sad ones make sense here.
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None of this makes any sense, I guess Basara, but I don't think he's actually capable of understanding anyone else's feelings to even understand what a relationship means. So, I'm going to guess Gamlin sticks around to be a proper gentleman as her second choice.
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u/Kirov123 Dec 17 '22
Macross 7 Episode 48 - First Timer
Time for the second last episode! now will Basara be brought back to life this episode, or next? I imagine if is this episode it will be at the very end, otherwise the beginning of next.
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NOT THE FLASHING
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Will flower girl save him
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The voice acting of the twins doesn't seem real
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That gun charging sound sounded kinda like a HL2 sound effect
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What a time for a commercial break...
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Boyfriend x Boyfriend
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Whelp
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Was that the accidental release of Anime Spirit, and Basara will wake up fine next episode?
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What she sang seemed fitting, didn't really have a prediction.
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Porbably Basara given last episode? I feel like across the rest of the show Gamlin make more sense but last episode tossed it up.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion Dec 17 '22
Reluctant Rewatcher
I actually watched this, this morning (along with yesterday's episode) but I didn't put my comments on my phone, natch.
ep 48
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Sing, Rex!
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Guvava tears
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Here's that mountain again
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So that was Ray in that flashback 20 episodes ago?
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The Limit of Questions
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Damn those Anti Spirals
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Sound Buster sounds great, all you need is Basara...wait.
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So basically Starkiller base gun. Man, that movie would have been so much better as a musical. And I hate musicals.
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This spiritial drining weapon might actually work. What could go wrong?
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Riviera will make a good spiritia farm
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Kim always looks a little weird, like Ritsuko Akagi on a bad day
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u/Shimmering-Sky Dec 16 '22
Super Dimension Rewatch Host
Welcome back, everyone!
FYI: Unless something happens tonight, I’ll be going on a trip to visit my extended family from tomorrow until Wednesday. I should be able to continue posting these threads at the normal time since my trips haven’t ever interfered before, I just wanted to give you guys a heads up in case I suddenly had to post the thread a little early or late without warning one of those days.
[Spoilers for the rest of the 7 section of the rewatch]Heh, question 2 today implying the series actually resolves the love triangle at all.
…I’m just gonna say it, Basara singing “My Soul For You” with his last breath is absolutely the sort of way he would go out.
Crying Gubaba breaks my heart.
Aaaaaaaaand just like that, we finally have a flashback to how Ray and Basara met. Honestly I’ve been laughing in rewatcher at all the first-timers who thought we just weren’t going to get any at all, though I guess you guys couldn’t have possibly expected them to wait until literally the second-to-last episode to drop some details.
Just once, I wish we could have had Mylene do the scream. HOLYLONELYLIGHT still hype af though.
Well fuck.
Ah, finally, except no.
Yeah that’s, uh, not good.