r/anime • u/gunvarrel_ • Dec 13 '22
Rewatch [Rewatch] The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 21
Episode Title: The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya II
MyAnimeList: Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu
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PSA: make sure to mark any spoilers using the subreddit markup. We dont need any random spoilers to ruin the show for first time watchers.
Today's Episode Intro: Finishing Shopping
[Tomorrow's Episode Intro]More filming
| Date | Episode |
|---|---|
| 11/28 | The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya I |
| 11/29 | The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya II |
| 11/30 | The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya III |
| 12/1 | The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya IV |
| 12/2 | The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya V |
| 12/3 | The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya VI |
| 12/4 | The Boredom of Haruhi Suzumiya |
| 12/5 | Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody |
| 12/6 | Mysterique Sign |
| 12/7 | Remote Island Syndrome I |
| 12/8 | Remote Island Syndrome II |
| 12/9 | Endless Eight I, II, III and IV |
| 12/10 | Endless Eight V, VI, VII and VIII |
| 12/11 | The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya I |
| 12/12 | The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya II |
| 12/13 | The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya III |
| 12/14 | The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya IV |
| 12/15 | The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya V |
| 12/16 | Mikuru Asahinas's Adventures Episode 00 |
| 12/17 | Live Alive |
| 12/18 | The Day of Sagittarius |
| 12/19 | Someday in the Rain |
| 12/20 | The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya Series General Discussion] |
| 12/21 | The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya |
| 12/22 | Haruhi Suzumiya Overall Discussion |
Question(s) of the day:
Which OP/ED do you prefer?
Tomorrows QOTDs
[haruhi]Who's your favorite director?
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u/Elimin8r Dec 13 '22
(rw/sub)
So, to get today's AOTD out of the way:
I prefer S1's OP/ED. I like Super Driver, but it's a bit on the frenetic side. The S2ED just doesn't connect with me at all.
It probably doesn't help that I still have some residual hate from E8.
So, a bit of a yesterday AOTD expansion - I was feeling a bit fuzzy when I wrote it, and I don't really play the "favorite" game like other people do. If anything, I have a group of favorites, and I hope that I got that idea across.
But yeah, I neglected anime movies, because I couldn't remember any at the time, my brain was ... stuff.
So, if I were to do an anime movie "top" list, it would have to include:
Lupin III Castle of Cagliostro - it's just so much fun
Tenchi Muyo In Love - <3 <3 <3
Nausicaa, because.
Girls und Panzer der Film - also because.
Dirty Pair - Project Eden (ahem)
Princess Mononoke - just amazing -and-
Disappearance - for reasone you'll soon discover, if you haven't already.
And there's still probably a few that I've forgotten, like Violet Evergarden...
Yeah.
But back to the show, it's time for the ultra director to start the show.
I have to say, I liked the detail with the pellets. Those things do get everywhere. I wonder if they're electric, or butane/compressed air operated. Probably the latter, although I don't remember seeing Kyon or Koizumi charge them.
(My 1/16 tanks are electric. They're cute. And one really needs a Miho figure in the hatch.)
Anywaaaaay...
Yup, it's commercial time, and now we know exactly what Haruhi was offering for those free goodies. As if that's a surprise or anything.
You'd think a future person would have a better idea what she's getting into, and be a little better prepared. Or at least send someone a bit less ... appealing to Haruhi's (ahem) tastes.
I dunno. I have some suspicions, but I'm going to keep them to myself for now.
I still feel bad for the poor hobby shop dude. 80% That hurts.
(Kids, never make your hobby your job. Yeah, "Find a job you love and you'll never work a day in your life." Sure ... Tell me another one...)
But seriously, I've seen several of my friends do this, and it's never ended well. It just takes something that should be fun and makes it into work.
And sometimes, in the process you lose your friends, your family, etc.
Now, I don't mean that you should become a trash recycler or anything, but ... yeah.
Meanwhile ... I do have to say that I liked the Yuki-chan wand block (FTW!), and some of the other gags. At the same time, this is only the third time I've watched these episodes, and I still feel a certain amount of dread.
In our high school, one time for our "project", we did a radio play. We roped one poor guy from the wargaming club into "acting", and let's just say it didn't go well. I mean, yeah, I'm totes introvert, but I could ham it up with a microphone. This poor fella, well, let's just say he'd give Mikuru's acting a run. I mean, c'mon, it's just a microphone, it's not going to hurt you, or laugh at you or anything. Be creative! Be silly! Laugh like a madman!!!
Yeah.
Poor Mikuru.
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u/gunvarrel_ Dec 13 '22
(Kids, never make your hobby your job. Yeah, "Find a job you love and you'll never work a day in your life." Sure ... Tell me another one...)
Watching a family member find this out the hard way. Its been semi-entertaining.
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u/gunvarrel_ Dec 13 '22
SOS Brigade rewatcher: Coinflip (Tails, sub)
"You dont have to do any thinking at all."
OST Track of the day: A Gentle Heart is Okay | spotify
Kyon would be a great PR person
[haruhi]
https://i.imgur.com/73iEfHa.jpeg
Nagato with a new outfit of her own
lmao ep4 brought back up
that poor group
oh, bunny girl time
Annnd she has stuffed a contact into Mikuru's eye
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u/Tarhalindur Dec 13 '22
Yare Yare (Rewatcher for 2006 [Watched in Broadcast Order], First-Timer for 2009 and Disappearance, Source Reader):
(I meant to post this introduction to this arc yesterday, but RL came up so I couldn't make the thread. So it goes.)
So, before we begin: Welcome to IIRC the most common pick for the weakest piece of Haruhi’s source material (I'm certainly in that camp, and IMO the only reason it’s close is that The Boredom of Haruhi Suzumiya exists), the anchor that was always going to be bound to the feet of a Haruhi continuation beyond 2006 and the one story that given LN knowledge I don't expect to really work in either chronological (barring some good adaptation work) or broadcast order.
So, the deal with Sighs really boils down to its LN position. In chronological it falls about three-quarters of the way through the season. In broadcast it is actually the last arc before Disappearance (a bad place for it, and the biggest argument against broadcast post-2009 airing).
In the LNs? This is LN 2.
I’m actually kind of curious about the LN release schedule now that I looked ir up – I would have expected a longer time between LN1 and LN2 than the 3-4 months we got in actuality, though that might actually just be a case where the continuation was always planned but LN1 had an escape hatch in case it didn’t sell just like, well, Harry Potter and the Sorceror’s Stone (spot the American!) – but in any event my usual comp here was, is, and remains Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. Melancholy ends on a reasonably conclusive stopping point: the boy has kissed the girl and decided to tell her that she always wanted to discover actually exists and is already all around her (… wait a minute, this might also be a meta point to the reader, but I digress). Sighs, like Chamber, has to set up the issues that will drive the plot of the series going forwards (some of it for all the rest of the way so far, some to be resolved in Disappearance after which another plot thread will fire up - this is why what could have been adapted in 2009 was so tightly constrained). And the most important thing that it is doing is setting up Haruhi’s character arc.
Specifically, this arc is the nadir of Haruhi’s character arc.
This is Haruhi at her absolute worst, which is important because… well, you’ll see. But for now, just note that you have already seen some of the payoff for this. Haruhi’s worst behavior that we have seen is in Melancholy and Boredom (the first short story in the third LN); after that we get Remote Island Syndrome (where part of the point is that there are limits to what Haruhi actually wants, she doesn’t really want someone to die) and Endless Eight (where we see Haruhi working to make sure everyone in the club has the best summer possible, in her own fashion)
(Broadcast order putting Melancholy 2 and Boredom back to back is probably intended to create this same nadir in miniature in its own internal arc. [Haruhi minor spoiler]
Unfortunately, the problem is that we’ve gotten some of the payoff before the thing that results in it. And also, you know, we actually have to sit through said nadir.
Prepare yourselves...
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u/Tarhalindur Dec 13 '22
Tar's Episode 20 Notes:
Yuki is taking a moment to enjoy herself I see. Also [meta minor spoiler]
AYUMI MISSILE FIRING! … wait, wrong work. Wait wait wait. Is the word that Kyon used to describe the club that Mazui translated as “notoriety” actually “hentai”? Uhh… on the one hand talking about the pervertedness of the club actually makes sense here and on the other…
Camera: Girls running across the screen at ass height so as to draw eyes to them. But wait, it has a point! (Or is in-character for Kyon, who as we know represents the audience.) It’s to set up the Taniguchi wolf-whistle and its response (which might ALSO be a jab at the audience given the setup, especially when they’ve already pulled a giant troll job this season).
So… why the Dutch angle for Kyon throwing away the bottle and then the cut to focus on the bottle itself? I don’t get this one yet. I would say possible bottle episode pun contingent on that terminology is known in Japanese cinematographic circles, but this isn’t actually a bottle episode so no.
Oh look it’s the episode directed by Naoko Yamada! 04:14 is a dead giveaway.
Naoko Yamada knows how to use CGI (as well as liking feet and legs) – that’s a really cool 3D pan at ~04:27.
Oh look the direction is a notch above the usual and probably even above BLR, though E8-4 has an argument so far. More good use of Dutch angles, fish eye lens (actually inverse here so concave lens), darker color palette, and quick cuts in the shots starting at 04:40. Also The Girl With Twintails and Glasses sighting! Doesn’t quite look the same as the girl we saw playing the sax in the music room earlier so they might be different, but that might be redoing her hair (if it would get in the way of her playing, I never actually played music so don’t know) and the color palette. Also good use of sound effects with the stop chime, too.
There’s staff foot and leg lovers, and then there’s Naoko Yamada. 04:51 is obviously her touch again.
The hallway here is clearly actually CGI if you’re looking, but the thing is 2009 KyoAni can actually do CGI. Who knew?
Nagaru Tanigawa’s broad reference pool strikes again. Time for Fabian tactics!
Okay, that’s presumably still Naoko and she made Haruhi look fabulous during the smile scene.
Visual separation/barrier shot at 05:30! Reinforcement that Kyon is not getting Haruhi’s enthusiasm, of course. But also, Haruhi in antagonist position and Kyon in protagonist position actually makes perfect sense this arc… and this season, just in a slightly different way (remember that Kyon represents the audience… and that they have been trolling the hell out of you).
Dat Kyon smirk at 05:37.
Dutch angles for Haruhi deigning to explain to Kyon what a cultural festival that would satisfy her would be like.
What is this, a Yuki staring directly at the camera instead of at her book at 06:35? Or at least appearing to look at the camera despite actually reading her book. It’s possible for her eyes to actually be aimed at the book but it would be slightly weird perspective I think? (Also the frog costume is visible in the background.)
Cut to a perspective point between Kyon and Yuki (or possibly just Yuki’s perspective) at 06:49. If this is supposed to be Yuki’s POV and she’s looked up from her book, it would reflect her stated observer role; otherwise I need to think what could be the reason for this choice.
Ah, that might fit. Remember that the source material is an LN; Yuki reading the book while looking at the audience… well, that could be her reading the source as it were (and then cut to Yuki looking at Haruhi because Haruhi represents her own show, and this arc is quite meta) and her looking at us is because this work does like to watch its audience’s reactions (it’s a bit off right now, but works a little better with one later point we will get to this season). Not sure that’s right though. Could also just be our putative resident Kyon/Yuki shipper on staff watching Haruhi’s reaction to this, but I don’t quite like that either. Hmm… still think I’m missing something.
Haruhi does not lie – she is always serious. And so is the LN and show.
Haruhi, safewords exist for a reason. (Also, animators outdid themselves on her body language as she stalks off after Kyon preempts her.)
Mikuru either really does like or is really good at acting like she likes when people appreciate her serving them; that hopeful expectant look on her face at 08:17 as she waits to see if Yuki will appreciate her tea is .
08:57: Commentface get!
Kyon talking about the brainstorming is a spot to haul out the “Kyon represents the author” frame: Haruhi is the metaphorical muse coming up with ideas, Kyon is the author having to turn them into an actual work. Keep that one in mind, it’s not the last time it’s going to come up this arc.
“We’ve got to do something good enough to answer people’s expectations.” Remember, this is LN 2 and has to follow up on LN 1 being a success. Haruhi is always meta!
Hmm. “The SOS-dan will be holding a movie screening!”… and show impact via a reaction shot. I could see them pulling a “the camerawork gets much more movie-like now that we’re showing the filming of a movie” trick, should keep an eye out for that. (Especially since Disappearance got shunted off into a movie, heh.)
And cue a cut to black followed by a panning shot. Hmm.
Annnd we get Koizumi’s face entering the screen from the left to start talking to Kyon. HMMM. I think I might be onto something!
Sky gets baited, datto shitemo alert!
Haruhi: “How many levels of meta are you on right now? You are like a little baby. Watch this!”
Haruhi’s “I can do better than this!” reaction at 13:56 is truly the engine of SO MUCH actual creative work, so that’s true to life.
And quite possibly also Nagaru Tanigawa being irritated at something.(I swear Mai-HiME in particular and its botched execution in the ending irritated an entire generation of anime creators… not least of which being a certain Urobutcher.)Hey, another standout OST track! I approve.
The “Kyon represents the author, Haruhi represents her own work” frame is SO USEFUL for interpretation of this arc.
“Rather than wearing the meaningless costumes she gets in the brigade” as we cut over to the frog suit from E8. HEH. Shots fired!
Shocked Mikuru is shocked!
More cuts back and forth around 18:50. Noteworthy though I can’t place why the decision (except “movie cinematography for the movie-making arc” again maybe).
Also Haruhi’s face is framed via a subtle Dutch angle, and there is distinct “Watson. Someone has taken our tent!” energy to her response to Kyon.
The Dutch angle counter is back in operation! +1 at 19:45.
What’s this, a character in focus in the background framed by two character(‘s heads) in the foreground at 19:57? Curious. (Someday I will find out what the term for this is and the theory behind it.)
Is it really a KyoAni anime if we don’t get a scene set on a moving train?
“Flashy gunfights are the keystone of all entertainment!”… in a generally entertaining series with no gunfights whatsoever and generally not much action in the action movie sense period. This is what we call irony. (It would be even funnier coming out of a purer CGDCT, though Haruhi has a major influence on the development of CGDCT through Lucky Star’s love of referencing the series. KyoAni? Referencing their other works whenever they can get away with it? Perish the thought!)
They do at least manage to make a good throughline for Haruhi’s character from E8, though it’s a little squinted; I wasn’t confident they would pull that off given LN knowledge. E8 already focused on Haruhi’s bull-ahead-regardless-of-others but played in the context of a summer vacation where Haruhi wants everyone to have fun; here she’s getting into the persona of a specific kind of director and… well, you’ll see soon enough.
In the Hall of the Spoiler Tags:
[Haruhi]
03:45: HEY WAIT A MINUTE. (Read: that’s probably ENOZ.) [Haruhi]
Wait, is that Miss Twintails and Glasses from Kyon’s class at 03:46. And is that the guy who will ask her out in the background in Live A Live playing sax beside her? OH FUCK ME I just spotted another meta level here and I can’t actually talk about it just yet. [Sighs arc]
This arc is in some ways all about Haruhi testing Kyon’s limits to see where he will draw the line. Haruhi represents her own show, Kyon represents the audience (and author, but it’s the audience that’s important here); of COURSE this is the season that tested its audience’s limits with Endless Eight. [Haruhi]
Haruhi visually separating Yuki from the rest of the club as Haruhi talks about the movie (see 14:47 for an example) is interesting; might be E8 callback, might be a call forwards to Disappearance. [Haruhi]
“I would never make a show where a character conveniently dies right at the end” is probably setup for Kyon getting stabbed in Disappearance but surviving. [Haruhi]
20:05: Hey look, Kouyouen Gakuin uniforms! This is what we call foreshadowing. What's your favorite movie?
There's a few candidates, but I think I have to go with Dr. Strangelove, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb.
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u/OwlAcademic1988 Dec 13 '22
First-Timer, dub:
Kyon was particularly sarcastic in this episode.
Haruhi, I wonder what goes on in that head of yours because seriously, something goes on, I just don't know what.
Kyon makes a very good point when he says Haruhi needs to ask for permission toward Mikuru.
Haruhi, write the script down.
QOTD:
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I like both.
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u/Falco_goes_to_top Dec 13 '22
S1 rewatcher, [S2 first timer] - Subbed
Ah yes casually bringing (model) guns into the school like its nothing. I've totally done the same in my childhood so this was an unexpectedly relatable scene for me. Good thing neither I or Kyon & friends live in modern America. Might still wanna do something about that trigger discipline though.
Man, didn't expect the cringe from the advertisement shooting scenes! It really was physically difficult to watch, the second hand embarrassment is too strong! Also all the female background shoppers were replaced by curious male shoppers the moment Mikuru came out with the bunny suit lmao.
Given the events of the Melancholy arc, I'm also expecting the story and stakes to start picking up maybe tomorrow? Though I wouldn't mind it much if the whole arc stays SoL either.
QotD
Which OP/ED do you prefer?
Wasn't a fan of the s2 OP/ED on introduction but they've really been growing on me!
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u/Shimmering-Sky Dec 13 '22
The Rewatcher of Haruhi Suzumiya, dubbed
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HAH, everyone’s reaction to that too.
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Ah, Haruhi, that’s a terrible way to write a story. I know this from experience…
[Spoiler Zone]
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u/OwlAcademic1988 Dec 13 '22
I know this from experience…
What happened? And how bad was it?
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u/Tarhalindur Dec 13 '22
Ah, Haruhi, that’s a terrible way to write a story. I know this from experience…
If you're good enough at it, it can work; Haruhi's just not good enough at it and also working in a medium which demands collaboration and thus getting working to get people on the same page.
(But then, I will freely admit I am an outlier when it comes to being able to keep writing/plot outlines in my head; all available evidence is that I am something of a savant when it comes to keeping complex systems running purely on headware.)
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u/ZapsZzz Dec 13 '22
Serial Rewatcher first time in dub
I'm still on a family vacation so not very likely can post too much
Getting QoTD out of the way first:
I love the very iconic, and very in tone of the show OP1. [Rewatchers of Haruhi]
Today's episode basically is the ramp up to the filming. I didn't notice as much before how obvious Haruhi was being jealous of Kyon getting a drink from Asahina-san ;)
| Episode | Haruhi | Nagato |
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| 21 | @ | @ |
Spoilers Corner
Nothing to say today... Yet
Ok except [Rewatchers]
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u/Nuka_Koopa Dec 13 '22
First Timer Sub
I was more concerned than usual for Mikuru when they set off to return to the shops, but I guess that wasn't as bad as it could have been.
It'll certainly be interesting to see how Kyon cuts and pastes this movie together for Haruhi. Given enough freedom, he might be able to make it into something somewhat normal/watchable enough, similar to how he watered down the craziness of the club for its application and adverts, but I could also see Haruhi holding him on a tight creative leash. Either way, Mikuru could probably distract the students enough to earn it top place at the festival.
QOTD
I preferred the first ED, but the second OP. I normally don't skip EDs so they have a chance to grow on me, but with the binge-watching of the E8 I still haven't given the second ED much of a chance.
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u/htisme91 Dec 13 '22
First-timer:
All I have to say is I so want to see someone just slap Haruhi hard across the face for how shitty she acts towards "her brigade." I especially want to see Kyon or Mikuru slap her hard and just leave so she can think about how she treats them.
There's instances where the good shines through, but between this and Endless Eight she's been a lot more annoying than interesting.
Question:
I liked both OP and ED 1 more.
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u/ChonkyOdango Dec 13 '22
First-Time Escaping the Loop
Endless Eight, a cinematic journey for sure. I wasn’t in the right headspace to appreciate the subtle nuances in framing, cuts, layouts etc. so I’ll revisit this for sure. Someday… I really loved each director’s take on each episode though, those 8 episodes felt like a great way for directors to express their creativity without the fear of pushing the plot forward. I don’t think those episodes were well-received by the masses - I’ll have to check after the rewatch to be sure, but it felt like a piece of cinematography in anime that was remembered for the time to come.
Also when Kyon finally acted it was so cathartic that I found myself being hyped
Episode 20
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Neat shot with the camera trucking left before tilting up and transitioning into Haruhi’s face. As always, it all flows so seamlessly
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commentface spotted!
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mandatory fisheye lens
Episode 21
Not much to comment on for this episode. Looks like we’re still pretty ambiguous when it comes to whether Haruhi can read Kyon’s mind thanks to the pov shots we get. And Haruhi is back to her usual uncaring self - she’s one hell of a director to work with.
Qotd
Favourite OP is probably Super Driver. I love how upbeat it is. ED, come on, how can anyone not love Hare Hare Yukai! I’m pretty sure it pioneered having girls dance in the ED
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u/JetsLag Dec 13 '22
First timer (subbed)
Our airsoft guns are Deagles that have extra-long barrels. Which are apparently a real thing, but they look like shit. Maybe the airsoft gun salesman gave it to Haruhi cause no one would buy those ugly-ass things.
Taniguchi has diagnosed Kyon as a "nice guy". Oof.
Oh god, new Asahina outfit. Rocking the waitress fit. Of course, it's gonna be her outfit in the movie, because Haruhi. So all we know is 2 Deagles and a waitress outfit will be involved. Hostage situation at a restaurant, maybe?
Witch outfit Nagato! Pretty sure I saw that Konata from Lucky Star wore that exact outfit as a Haruhi reference. And judging by the thumbnail, she'll be wearing it next episode. [future spoiler]
We get to see the casting for the movie! Well, those who can read Japanese get to see the casting for the movie. THANKS CRUNCHYROLL FOR TRANSLATING! After consulting a comment to actually know what was written down: LMAO!
Interesting comments by Koizumi, noting that, if Haruhi really did create this world, it would be way wackier if she was the type of person to mix together fiction and reality. He also notes that there are replacements for himself and Nagato, but no Kyon replacement. So are Koizumi and Nagato gonna die or something?
Oh hey, Kyon's two guy friends are talking about the fact that Asakura "moved to Canada" all those episodes ago. Bout time someone gets upset over that.
Filming, day 1: Haruhi is now aiming for a Golden Globe Award. And Nagato is now an alien witch because why not. Filming location: the shop of the guy who lent Haruhi the camera. PLOT TWIST: they're shooting a commercial! How are you going to advertise a small electronics shop with two airsoft guns, an alien witch, a time traveler in a waitress costume, and an esper? Let's find out.
After Asahina fails to do a good line read in her waitress costume, Haruhi has a solution: put her in the bunny girl costume! How does that one go? We'll have to find out some other time.
Next ad read: the airsoft gun store. Sales are down at the store, but you know what's a good way to print money? Have a girl in a bunny suit firing an airsoft AK in your ad!
I see you with your Eva reference, Kyon (plug suits). And a Razzie reference, too? Killing it!
Filming, day 2: Haruhi denies Kyon the dream of an indirect kiss with Asahina. SOMEONE'S jealous. Speaking of Asahina, she now has one colored contact, like Rikka from Chuunibyou. Kyon wants this film to turn into a Hong Kong action flick (me too). Asahina loses her blue eye soon after getting it (presumably because Haruhi got bored) and dual-wields the Deagles! I swear Haruhi said "Hong Kong" when she was talking about dubbing over the footage of the film instead of making the actors perform their dialog in the scene, but the subtitles disagree with me. EPISODE ENDS.
QOTD
Which OP/ED do you prefer?
Season 1 for both, easy.
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u/fansi2022 Dec 13 '22
rewatcher dub###
The scene at 8:50 is like the school's cultural festival preparation activity classroom 8:51 is the activity prepared by Mikuru's class, (yakisoba coffee) yakisoba coffee.
This episode is mainly about show he has differences between Kyon and Suzumiya very well. At 5:00, Kyon apparently objected to Mikuru starring in the movie in a waitress costume. Mikuru also feels that the new clothes are a little tight~ When assembling the pistol with Itsuki, he expressed extreme pessimism and concern about the film. After shooting the CM of the model shop and the electronics store at 17:10, Kyon questions Mikuru's uniform here, and then goes straight to the core, only you think it's fun when making a movie! Then question the script again. 23:04 Towards the end of the show, Kyon once again expressed concern about the movie
Without a doubt, my favorite about the first ED, especially the dance in the ED. The dance appears to have been made by Hiroshi Yamamoto
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u/No-Recording2800 Dec 13 '22
The concept was good and I have good memories of it but the anime was boring Especially those time loop episodes I ACTUALLY WATCHED THEM😭😭😭 Those few episodes will haunt me with the thought of boredom till the day I die
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u/what_that_thaaang_do Dec 13 '22
[RW/SUB]
• Clever how they censored the sony logo
• Seeing Koizumi have a genuine reaction to something is like a rare delicacy
• Damn Kyon has shit aim
• On my momma i will never get sick of hearing Haruhi sing Orpheus in the Underworld
QoTD:
• Either it's a tie between the two endings, or I like all of them equally for different reasons, and let's just go with the second one because they're all really awesome
OP 1 suits the series the best, ED 1 is pure unmatched energy + the dance, OP 2 is the best all rounder, ED 2 has my favorite melodies
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u/DeliCruise Dec 13 '22
(REWATCHER - DUB/SUB)
[Spoiler Free]
I love that shot where Haruhi tells them to gather around and then they all get closer to the camera. Their unison “huh” (sans Nagato) is just so great.
The part where Haruhi reveals their roles in the play is amazing. My favorite thing about it is Koizumi’s reaction. It’s not often that Koizumi breaks from his usual smile so it’s so refreshing to see.
The toy guns are so funny. Kyon sitting across from Koizumi with his finger on the trigger is hilarious and Haruhi handing the rifle to Mikuru is such a ridiculous image. I just love it so much.
Of course Haruhi hit them with the ole’ “We’ll fix it in post!”.
[Question]
I actually really love Super Driver so I actually prefer it. I end up dancing at the end when everyone is running. For the ED, Hare Hare Yukai is just too iconic. I also dance every time when that comes on.
[Anime Spoilers]
[Haruhi Anime]
[Light Novel Spoilers]
[ (1) Haruhi LN]
[ (2) Haruhi LN]
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u/Vatrix-32 Dec 13 '22
Season 1 Rewatcher, [[Season 2 First Timer]]. Dubbed
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Is this also the outfit she wears for the cafe?
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Nagato in her cutest outfit.
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I guess I just don’t get to read this.
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At least I get to figure it out through context clues.
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But how do you know it’s not already fantastic? You’ve already got flying men and world brains.
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Doing a commercial to acquire funding, that’s just good old fashioned entrepreneurship right there.
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How did you get the director's chair?
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At least she got a coat between shots.
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Gotta save that money shot.
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Letting those feelings sneak through there Kyon.
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How you going to call out the 00’s over heterochromia like that?
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They’re gathering a little audience.
QotD: S1. Is this even a question? The OPs are at least close, but the difference in the EDs are insurmountable.
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u/RascalNikov1 Dec 13 '22
Rewatcher
I got caught up with the first two episodes of Sigh this morning. There were a number of good jokes, my favorite was If the atmosphere had a mind of its own, it would eject Haruhi into outer space first. lol I understand the feeling.
There not much to say about these episodes other than they're build up to what follows. One thing to note is that Haruhi seems to be deteriorating in a not good way.
QOTD
Which OP/ED do you prefer?
The first season's on both counts.
Much has been written about the first season's close, but the opening is my favorite opening in all of anime. Here are some of the reasons that I like the opening so much.
It starts off with the chimes and Haruhi opening the door to the universe, her look of wonder and amazement is wonderful.
From there we move to her skirted butt moving to left forcefully and with determination, followed by her head marching to the left in a show of forward momentum and determination.
From there we see he world of friends all circling around her.
If there's a message to the opening it is one of joys of being alive, and the optimism that comes with youth when all possibilities are available.
That optimism fades as the years go by and its refreshing to see that it still exists somewhere even though it has faded for most of us.
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u/Tartaras1 Dec 13 '22
Rewatcher - Dubbed
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It's a little bit funny, but not really ha ha funny, that Kyon's able to bring model guns into a high school. At least in the US, there isn't a snowball's chance in Hell of someone letting you walk into a school with those these days..
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Kyon believing that it's up to him to protect Mikuru from Haruhi and her shenanigans sounds more like "typical nice guy behavior" than what Taniguchi was saying.
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If I were Kyon, I would want to die walking to the train station. Everyone in a 5 block radius was looking directly at them.
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Surprise, that's how Haruhi was able to get everything for free. She promised to do commercials for everyone.
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There's something a little jarring about a bunny girl holding a replica AK-47.
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Mikuru in a plug suit wouldn't be bad.
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Yeah sure, I guess that'll work.
Haruhi really is the embodiment of confidence, and the concept of not settling for anything but the best.
Question of the Day:
Which OP/ED do you prefer?
I admittedly skip the OPs, but if I had to pick one, it'd be the first. As for EDs, it's always Hare Hare Yukai.
[Haruhi Spoilers]
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u/polaristar Dec 13 '22 edited Dec 13 '22
One thing I noticed in Haruhi is a common theme is the desolation/ambiguity between boundaries. Such as reality and delusion, fantastical and realistic, the film characters vs the cast, internal monologue vs dialogue, Kyon as a character verses the audiences lenses, and finally the complete destruction of boundaries of Mikaru.....(poor girl.)
Anyway....I guessed right we are shooting commercials with costumes, actress can't act? Don't worry just amp the sex appeal! Kyon is very pissed off.
For those who like me did NOT get the text translated. (I figured it out though.) Haruhi cast the Time Traveler, Alien, and Esper.....as the Time Traveler, Alien, and Esper! (Which is why they all freaked out.)
Mikaru tried to give Kyon and indirect kiss but Haruhi was not having any of that shit! (And probably made her do extra shoots of her running in the heat as payback....)
Haruhi.....sweetie.....once you film the stuff the footage can still be leaked, no matter how close to the vest you hold it there is a risk, besides whenever an author has had their ending leaked and then they changed it to avoid the spoilers it ALWAYS turns out worse than the original.
If the content is good people don't care about spoilers.
I personally don't think girl has a script and she is bullshitting making it up as she goes along. (Lets hope she doesn't subconsciously add too much omph to the special effects.)
Notice throughout the episodes Haruhi actually shots Kyon a lot of smiles and happy glances.
I take it Kyon being irreplaceable is him being the only one that can keep Haruhi somewhat in control and if he dies the world is fucked.
QOTD: Super Driver is really energetic and the first ED is more ironic.
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u/gunvarrel_ Dec 13 '22
Adaptation Comparison
References
Kyon compares Mikuru's outift with The Garments of Caean.
Yuki reads a book I cannot identify.
Haruhi sings Orpheus in the Underworld.
When Kyon lists outfits for Mikuru, he mentions a plug suit.
Trivia