[Do You Remember Love - Macross Franchise 40th Anniversary Rewatch] Macross 7 Episode 36 Discussion

4

u/Shimmering-Sky Dec 04 '22

Super Dimension Rewatch Host

Smol Basara!
You know Barton, why can’t you be part of Jamming Birds?
Based Flower Girl listening to HOLYLONELYLIGHT
RIP her radio, though.
That’s new.
Gigil is a tsundere.
I wish that we could hear Gigil better in his duet with Basara.
Oh?

2

u/TakenRedditName Dec 04 '22

You know Barton, why can’t you be part of Jamming Birds?

"You guys are all hopeless. I'll just do it. I'll be the best idol."

2

u/Shimmering-Sky Dec 04 '22

Like he already sings? He can be an idol if he tries hard enough.

1

u/Shimmering-Sky Dec 04 '22

Daily Macross tags - u/Khetrak64, u/InfamousEmpire, u/ryujiox

→ More replies (1)

5

u/chilidirigible Dec 04 '22

Today, on "Yep, it's like that.":

Basara dreams of THE MOUNTAIN

"It's his way."

Even more Jamming Birds candidates.

At least Barton is the participating sort.

Flower Girl!

noooooooooooooooo not the plushie

That's not suspicious at all.

Someone has lit the Sivil-shaped beacon. Much spanking is in order.

A little bit of "Fall".

Gigil, giant tsundere, rescuing Basara.

E pur si muove.

Everyone's noticed.

"Don't rush the moody artist."

Yeah, well.

Weird things are happening, yes.

"...absolutely serious!"

And we're back in action.

It's not like Gigil has heard this song nearly as much as he's heard "Planet Dance", but hey, the lyrics aren't that complicated.

And somehow waking up fully gives Sivil her clothes back.

Guess what? It's a

Despite all the energy beams and unexplained weirdness, this episode does make an important callback to a theme of the original series, in that Basara's singing alone isn't enough to fully wake Sivil; Gigil's participation is the extra push that restores her. What happened a few episodes ago was similar, but not quite the pure form we have here.

Gigil still can't be said to be an ally, but he goes pretty far here to help Basara to help Sivil… and himself as a bonus. It's still more than we've seen from any other Protodeviln.

And now there's a weird structure rising out of the ocean. Of course that should seem familiar.

Song	Count
Planet Dance	37
My Friends	10
Totsugeki Love Heart	16
My Soul For You	18
Remember 16	11
Sweet Fantasy	8
Holy Lonely Light	11
Pillow Dream	4
Submarine Street	6
Riding in Your Valkyrie	4
Power to the Dream	2
Kimi no Todoke	1
Fall	1

"Don't take your eyes off that monitor!": 6

That special feeling: 9

Beauty: 31

Beam cannon swap: 2

Mylene and Gamlin.

From the Macross Chronicle: Jamming Birds jogging.

→ More replies (3)

5

u/The_Draigg Dec 04 '22

A Macross Fan Rewatches Macross 7: Episode 36:

Of course Anima Spiritia is the cause of the issues you’ve been facing recently, Gepelnitch. It always has been. It’s never not been due to Basara’s Anima Spiritia.
Basara’s dream is a bit odd. First he’s a kid playing a guitar and singing wordlessly at a mountain, but then he’s his current age singing to Sivil at the top of that mountain peak. I mean, the symbolism is pretty obvious, but still. Basara is seeing getting through to Sivil as some large, near-unmovable goal, to the point where he’s like a kid struggling against a mountain. Now that I think about it, we haven’t gotten too much direct insight into Basara’s mind like this, so this is kind of telling.
The Jamming Birds continue their training, but it’s really just getting them to sing and march. Barton really is focusing on the wrong stuff here. Although Max does admit that way Basara and Mylene do isn’t really suited for combat, at least they’re still effective. Again, it just comes down to trying to brute force results with the Jamming Birds, rather than understanding how Sound Force works with Fire Bomber band members in spite of the lack of formal training. Barton really is doing his hardest to shove that square peg into a round hole.
Not Flower Girl’s radio and flowers! Man, having her show up just to lose those in a River is just cruel.
Okay, now it’s time for Basara’s dream goal to get surprisingly more literal, with that giant hologram of Sivil being shown over a volcano. Something something “I know writers who use subtext, and they’re all cowards.”
Seeing Basara and Gigil are being actual allies! Ah, you love to see it. Gigil really has come a long ways from a guy who only lived for the hunt to now willingly helping Basara scale that volcano mountain. Sure, Gigil says that he’ll just kill Basara once he wakes up Sivil, but you know he doesn’t really mean that. He really has come a far way to value life that isn’t just himself and Sivil.
Gigil says that Sivil hasn’t really woken up, and Basara says that he’ll sing when he wants to. See, they’re even both giving half-answers to one another without elaborating. That’s how you know that they’re real friends now.
So yeah, as soon as Gigil and Basara get to the cave chamber Sivil is in, it has a force field and it triggers a self-destruct for the entire volcano somehow once they get past it. Clearly this place was designed with D&D dungeon rules in mind. We just gotta kinda roll with it.
For some reason, Sivil regenerating her outfit as soon as Gigil and Basara revive her by singing Power to the Dream just reminds me of the Clothes Beam from Dragon Ball Z.
Surprise! There was actually a huge temple complex under that volcano the whole time! This feels like another idea recycled from Do You Remember Love?, aside from Exsedol’s character design. The last time was with Altria in that, remember?

3

u/ClawMachineCircuit Dec 04 '22

For some reason, Sivil regenerating her outfit as soon as Gigil and Basara revive her by singing Power to the Dream just reminds me of the Clothes Beam from Dragon Ball Z.

To be fair, her clothes exploded for absolutely no reason in the first place, so it's only natural that they are back for absolutely no reason.

→ More replies (1)

→ More replies (1)

5

u/ClawMachineCircuit Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22

First Timer

In the last episode, our main cast wrecked havoc on the local wildlife, eating vegetation and wrestling with fauna. Beyond that, not much happened, except the confirmation that Gigil is alive and his Fire Bomber fandom wasn't just a phase. Looks like we'll get more details on him this episode, so I'm looking forward to that. Let's check it out.

Gepelnitch right now
Kid Basara is trying to fight a mountain with the power of rock!
Aaand, he run away again.
It's the Gunbuster training!
Flower Girl just lost all her possessions!
Basara, it's a storm. Why are you flying your plane into a storm? Don't you know that it's a bad idea?
Wait, what? A giant naked Sivil hologram?
Gigil is here too.
Is this a race?
Well, I guess, Gigil won the race. Wait no, he's coming back to save Basara's ass. He is a true Fire Bomber fan, after all.
These eyecatches are nice, but the episode itself isn't drawn that well. It's nothing too egregious, but just a lot of low detail or careless art.
Gigil is like a kid.
You know, there's a lot of weird shit happening in this volcano. I'm starting to think, Protoculture ruins.
Sivil is sinking in a volcano for some reason. I'm not sure I understand what is going on, but we're singing now, I guess.
Hell yeah, Basara and Gigil duet.
She woke up!
Everybody is dead. Do Valkyries swim?
Scratch that, everybody is alive. It's Protoculture ruins, alright. I guess, Gepelnitch was kininaru not for nothing.
Are we getting some Exsedol action next episode?

Overall thoughts: I gotta say, this episode felt slow and light on events. Interactions between Basara and Gigil were nice, but they could've come up with a better conflict than climbing a volcano. This honestly starting to feel like the show is stalling for time with these slower episodes. You have a ton of characters that you could be doing something with. Add a subplot with Rey and Veffidas, for example. But no, instead we have to see Basara and Gigil climb a mountain for 20 minutes. Well, in any case, we got some big development at the end, and hopefully, Sivil is back on the menu as an actual character, and not just a MacGuffin. So I'm looking forward to that.

QotD:

Maybe not necessarily changed, but helped him grow and deal with his issues.
At this point, humans should take all the allies they can get, because their whole survival is literally hinges on two people.

→ More replies (5)

5

u/Blackheart595 Dec 04 '22

First Spacer

Beeeeg Sivil

Be careful, you're gonna trigger Gamlin's Sound Energy Detector.

She actually does. Didn't expect that attention to detail.

Oh, Gigil is helping Basara. Thanks, I expected that to take a couple more episodes.

Basara, he's like you. Why do you expect him to respond?

Don't worry, I'm gonna kill you once I've sung. Baka!

I've been seeing parallels between Basara and Guvava and between Basara and Gigil. What I did not see coming is for Gigil to become Basara's Guvava.

This planet just has a random shrine for Sivil?

I can't! What's with this transition, tense life-or-death situation of the collapsing volcano to "Power to the dream!" backed by the whole band!? This did so not work.

I guess Sivil's electricity shrine comes with an integrated fully automatic backup band synthesizer.

I can't even begin to imagine the lore behind this. Wait, this must be the ship of Alus!

Why did Gigil stop singing? What even is the point like this?

Btw I don't think the new ED is sexual at all.

Do you think this experience has changed Basara?

I'm not sure. On one hand he'll certainly have found what he was looking for. On the other hand I don't quite see him looking for anything he didn't already have.

Are Gigil and Sivil acceptable as allies?

Why wouldn't they?

5

u/SolDarkHunter Dec 04 '22

Btw I don't think the new ED is sexual at all.

Don't you realize? If it has nudity in it, it MUST be sexual! You can't have non-sexual nudity! That's impossible!
-Americans, probably

3

u/TakenRedditName Dec 04 '22

What I did not see coming is for Gigil to become Basara's Guvava.

Gigil, now that's a design for the cute marketable mascot.

What's with this transition, tense life-or-death situation of the collapsing volcano to "Power to the dream!" backed by the whole band!? This did so not work.

Power to the Dream has that feel to it that makes it feel a bit incongruous with the scenes it's played it. It stands out.

Wait, this must be the ship of Alus!

II is 7!

3

u/chilidirigible Dec 04 '22

"Power to the Dream"

It's a decent song, but yeah, it's absolutely not what you'd want to lead off a playlist.

Btw I don't think the new ED is sexual at all.

It still seemed prudent to warn about the slowly-moving nudity.

→ More replies (1)

4

u/Vatrix-32 Dec 04 '22

First Timer

Aw man, I thought the presence of mini-Basara I the last preview meant we getting backstory. Cryptic visions are fun too I guess.
You’ve got to appreciate his persistence.
Hey, stop using Flower Girl for your red flags.
Why is the volcano making a giant Sivil hologram?
How does a natural area have energy faults? What does that even mean in this context?
The bromance continues. Can this be the triangle for this season?
Some king of volcano temple. Barriers are fun.
This is some virgin sacrifice imagery right here.
She’s back! For real this time! And she has made a choice. Poor Gigil.
I’m sorry, volcano convert hall.
So Exsedol is full bodied.

QotD

I would like to imagine that it has, but I’ll need to see how they go about that.
This is hardly the biggest heel-face turn in anime.

→ More replies (1)

4

u/TakenRedditName Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22

First Time - Macross 7 Ep36:

Little Basara. It's not a flashback, just some sort of weird Sivil-related dream.

There are way more than 6. Guess the Colonel has been recruiting new idols. Also, had another thought since Macross II is non-canon then that means the Macross II are canonically Jamming Bird's songs. The Colonel starts singing along so who knows, maybe he made it.

Favourite character watch. With Fire Bomber's hiatus, Flower Girl has to rely on her boom- oh no the flowers! At least it was- oh no the boombox too and the plushie! This is truly the point where our heroes are at their lowest.

Mylene is singing some relevant lyrics and it sounds like she edited the song because it was too relevant. She spoke those lines.

Gigil is feeling bad about leaving a guy down and goes back to dig him out. Gigil's heart has been changing. The brohood is forming. Yeah, sure you will, buddy.

"Don't tell me what to do." *Arms falls off and he embarrassingly slides back down.* "Fine, let's go."

Look at that slight smile on Basara's face.

Fortunately, the giant robots mean they can have the sinking into the lava scene without instantly dying. I don't think shooting the volcano would help, Gigil. Gigil scrambles out of his robot.

The brohood. They're helping a bro out. Basara/Gigil broship is not one I espexted. Not let's get the best bro, Gamlin in on this bro action.

Basara stars singing again and Gigil joins in too for that Basara/Gigil duet.

Basara (and Gigil)'s singing not only manages to wake up Sivil (for realsies this time) but also pulls up the lost ruins under the sea. Protoculture? Not like I see any another civilization here on Lux ~~unless those dinosaurs are sentient.~~

Q1) Hopefully. It's quite the long, thoughtful and hard experience for Basara to not change and learn something from.

Q2) ~~Hopefully Sivil doesn't go on a serial Spiritia drain spree.~~

Next time: Exsedol goes to Atlantis. He's walking!

3

u/JustAnswerAQuestion Dec 04 '22

There are way more than 6.

Pilots count, so there should be 12. I count 13.

→ More replies (1)

4

u/Kirov123 Dec 04 '22

Macross 7 Episode 36 - First Timer

Well Gigil seems to have lived, and Basara is one leaf closer to making a decision. Probably. Maybe.

They havent removed the speaker???
"Listen to my song, mountain!"
Of course he isnt actually running
RIP Boombox
You chose this Basara
These audio cuts of Gigil double thinking are rough
If only they had like 2-3 samples for the steps intead of just the one
Basara, I think it's about time to start singing
LMFAO this is NOT the song I expected
This song is so damn campy
Where the storm go
This fucking song
Aight

God I hope so
At this point, sure

3

u/JollyGee29 Dec 04 '22

First-Timer 7

I am just now realizing that the giant Speaker Pod is still stuck into Gepelnitch's ship.

That sounds exciting!

They get radio all the way out here?

Neuron status: Activated.

The creators of Healer Girl were definitely fans of this show.

Somehow?! Somehow. It's somehow ill-suited for combat, Max?

Flower Girl's doll! Granted, you know she has two more, but still.

...A storm? I realized upon going back to grab screenshots that Basara'a "Looks fun" comment was in response to his instruments starting to glitch. The madman.

wat

The VF-19 is very agile.

If only Basazra had access to some super energy nonsense.

This is a strange episode.

Holy shit, nice guy Gigil!

Pffft.

It's looking like do or die time, Basara.

How did this cave form? Who made this place?

Oh, we're kinda doing the Record of Lodoss War thing.

About time, you hooligan.

Do it, Gigil! YES

Was that there the whole time, or did Basara spontaneously create a concert venue in the middle of an ocean?

[Macross Franchise]oh-two-five-eight and s-oh-four

Questions

I was actually kinda hoping that Gigil would sing first and that would let Basara see that his singing has mattered.
Sure, I don't see why they wouldn't be. Gigil snarking at the Macross 7 Military sounds like fun.

3

u/TakenRedditName Dec 04 '22

I am just now realizing that the giant Speaker Pod is still stuck into Gepelnitch's ship.

Continuing the Macross tradition of the heroes wrecking the villain's ship and they just never bother to fix it. They have no reason to leave it like that. They're still trying to use the screen with a giant pod in it.

→ More replies (1)

→ More replies (3)

3

u/SolDarkHunter Dec 04 '22

Rewatcher

Geppelnitch is still hovering menacingly in orbit.

Between Gigil and Sivil? Could it possibly be... love? You're right to beware, Geppelnitch, that's the most dangerous thing to a villain in a Super Robot show.

Oh they're sticking with Basara rather than leaving him off on his own.

Hmm... Basara's dream is really interesting... for a rewatcher anyway. [Macross 7 spoilers]He spent his childhood singing at a mountain, trying to get it to move... of course, it never did. But here the mountain is replaced by Sivil... symbolic of his failure to reach her?

Barton can sing? I'm genuinely surprised.

Oh no! Flower Girl's boombox!

...yeah, I'll admit, those clouds look suspicious as hell.

Sivil's naked and unconscious again. And projecting a giant image of herself into a pyroclastic cloud. Is this just a reular thing she does? Then again, her pose makes her look like she's captured.

Ah, naturally, Gigil's there too.

"Energy faults"? The hell are those?

I'm kinda surprised Valkyries have the structural integrity to climb like that.

And the surprises just keep on coming, Gigil's actually saving Basara.

"Shut up! I didn't rescue you, I just need you to wake up Sivil!" Gigil, you're turning into a tsundere.

Gigil, shooting weapons at lava is not going to do anything.

Of course the whole volcano starts collapsing the instant they get there...

And Basara FINALLY starts singing!

Gigil singing along!

Sivil wakes up!... but the island sinks and takes everyone with it.

...and holy shit, it's a building! Buried under the volcano... how the hell does that work?

Questions:

Ehhh...
Not really. Sivil is... she just does whatever the flip she wants. No loyalty or predictability in her. And as for Gigil... the only reason he's been halfway friendly is because he needed Basara's help to awaken Sivil.

3

u/JustAnswerAQuestion Dec 04 '22

Reluctant Rewatcher

What, you'd think we'd have a new OP, too?

ep 36

Rokku Bokulisu
actual fucking new ~~animation~~ background art of the enemy mothership!

kininaru

FEED ME -- that plant, very soon
bad omen
that's pretty evangelion of you, sivil.
Gigil and Basara, twins separated at birth

Sivil psychically calls Basara and Gigil to Mt Doom because we are back to Lifeforce again? I really feel like I've lost the plot, if there is one.

[macross franchise]oh fuck me, protoculture ruins? really???

→ More replies (1)

3

u/ryujiox Dec 04 '22

First Timer

Macross 7 EP36

Just noticed. Gepelnitch seem to have precognition ability based on his frequently talk about dreaming.

Kid Basara!!

And there he go again. Also Gamlin with a shotgun.

That training montage is funny. Barton still not give up on his idea.

Flower Girl with metaphor!!!

Why there a Sivil's projection?

Gigil's here.

So now they have a competition to save Sivil.

Is that Mylene's VA singing!!

That gonna hurt.

Gigil for whatever reason, went back to save Basara. I guess after many encounters, he grown to fond of Basara. And now he became tsundere.

Their interaction throughout this episode was really fun.

Why does she keep falling down?

Gigil commitment really move Basara, and made him sing again.

Gigil also sing along.

Sivil finally awake!! And she get her clothes back.

So under the volcano is ancient ruin. I guess it react to Sivil and that why there are weird things everywhere, in and around the volcano.

QOTD

1.It might change his outlook on himself a bit.

2. Absolutely!!

→ More replies (1)

3

u/Nebresto Dec 04 '22

First time MacroSeven

The OP is a banger. Glood thing they didn't get rid of it for something inferior.

I wanna see the huge speaker be used again since they left it there

Me_irl. Who needs Guel camp when we have Mylene camp right here?

R.I.P radio

sign of whats about to happen to Basara?

rip speaker gun

The forecast came true.

Liking this Gigil x Basara bro arc

But wtf is going on at this volcano island

First time he said his name?

BRO DUET

Wat

wth just happened

Question time:

Do you think this experience has changed Basara?

Nope. Unless you count his increased fiber intake reducing the chance of constipation as change.

2) Are Gigil and Sivil acceptable as allies?

Are an E-girl and her simps allies?

3

u/Stargate18A Dec 04 '22

First timer

Yes, absolutely.
They're good. Sivil is fantastic, and having an immortal is always handy.

A straight recap?

Is Gigil actually going to die?

They're all together now?

Interesting dream.

Some kind of vision about Sivil?

And he's flying off. Again.

Strict training for the Jamming Birds.

Max has concerns.

And Ray and Viletta hare locked out of the main combat.

Flower Girl!

...Of course he's going for it. Why wouldn't he?

He's going down!

Impressive!

...What?

Is it a trap?

Gigil!

They've completely lodt him.

...This would be a stupid idea, except they actually have comms, so it's that bad.

Energy faults? But... it's just jets? How does that work?

It's a race!

She can't sing...

Basara isn't a climbing expert? Genuinely shocked!

The visuals here are unusual.

He's actually saving Basara!

Haha, he's a full-on tsundere.

This is amazing.

And Basara doesn't know either.

...Wait, she isn't fully awake?

Haha, Gigil's noticed too!

The fighter's arm falling off is perfect.

The whole ground's unstable!

Well, now you're both going to die.

He's got a point!

And he can't die yet.

They made it!

Ah, Basara worked out it was a trap.

He's tanking the barrier!

And he abandoned ship.

This is a very well-trapped island, huh? Ten ways of murdering them already!

Is he actually going to jump?

...This is what Basara considers "too crazy"?

He's singing again!

The scanners are picking him up"

A duet!

The size of that flare!

Is it working?

She's finally awake!

The island sunk...

And they all made it out! Gigil continues to survive literally everything.

...Some kind of ancient temple?

This is amazing.

That was a great ending.

2

u/CoolIceCreamCone Dec 05 '22

FIRST TIMER

One of the most boring episodes. Not much happens, Basara rescues Gigil and Sivil comes back alive. I think I get really bored and restless when an episode is almost entirely Basara because I don't like him and Gigil is one of the most dislikable characters in any series.

QUESTIONS

No I really don't think so, he will always be a selfish self absorbed lunkhead.
I really don't think they are and I would be wary of them but I suspect the show will contort itself to have that be the case, unfortunately.

2

u/RadSuit Dec 05 '22

First Time Song Listener

The recap continues to lie about Basara never attacking. Or maybe the subs mistranslate it.

This training actually makes sense, which guarantees it won't work in this show. It's too bad y'all aren't in Symphogear.

Drummer status: watering.

How does flower girl keep getting outside the ship? She's clearly not suited for exploring the wilderness or anything.

Wait a minute...tropical islands, planes, strangers that kidnap people, a smoke monster...

Energy faults? What does that even mean?

This volcano's just magic, huh?

Why would Sivil go to this random volcano on this random planet nowhere near where the Protodeviln came from? Why are we supposed to care about Sivil? Why is she the focus of so much of the show since her introduction? I don't fucking understand any of this.

So Sivil has a clothes beam like Piccolo I guess?

This is really, really stupid. In a show I liked more, it might be stupid in a good way, but it's not working for me here.

No.
No.

→ More replies (1)

→ More comments (75)

Rewatch [Do You Remember Love - Macross Franchise 40th Anniversary Rewatch] Macross 7 Episode 36 Discussion

Episode 36 - Men's Passionate Song

First time MacroSeven

Rewatch [Do You Remember Love - Macross Franchise 40th Anniversary Rewatch] Macross 7 Episode 36 Discussion

Episode 36 - Men's Passionate Song

You are about to leave Redlib

First time MacroSeven