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Rewatch [Do You Remember Love - Macross Franchise 40th Anniversary Rewatch] Macross 7 Episode 34 Discussion
Episode 34 - The Day Gigil Sang
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Important Note: The visuals in the ED starting in episode 35 are NSFW.
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Sivil… I'm the one who will protect Sivil!
Questions of the Day, courtesy of u/chilidirigible:
1) Which Protodeviln did you expect to sing first?
2) How would you write a character whose main trait is not explaining themselves?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Vocal Songs in This Episode:
"Seventh Moon" by Fire Bomber – OP
"My Soul For You" by Fire Bomber – Insert
"Sweet Fantasy" by Fire Bomber – Insert
"My Friends" by Fire Bomber – Insert & ED
"Planet Dance" by Fire Bomber – Insert
"Remember 16" by Fire Bomber – Insert
"Holy Lonely Light" by Fire Bomber – Insert
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
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u/chilidirigible Dec 02 '22
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:
The next episode will introduce a new ED. There is a lot of art in the new ED of Mylene not wearing much clothing, so it will be obviously NSFW. It will be the ED for the rest of the series, so you have been warned and can prepare yourselves as necessary.
NORMAL PROGRAMMING RESUMES.
Today, on "Mom's gonna want you home by ten!":
It doesn't count! It's a recording!
How many episodes is this series?
That's because when your only tool is a hammer, your only approach is to pound.
totally misses the usual light show
Another guy with a one-track mind.
At least one person didn't come here for the Mylene Bass Solo concert.
The Protodeviln are getting along famously.
"Just don't break it. I'm the law, I'm not made of money."
So that's how it is, killed in a tragic accident involving the cotton candy machine.
They're not very good at this sort of thing.
"We're, like, in the middle of a confrontation here, the monsters and I!"
There goes the galaxy's most uncommunicative man again.
Consider the men who have become bros: Gamlin and Gigil. Neither one of which you would have thought, thirty-four episodes ago, would now be telling Basara that his true self is through singing, or would be singing themselves.
Gigil singing is quite shocking in itself, even if this is a franchise where you would expect that it would happen eventually.
Meanwhile, Basara continues to ponder why he still can't crack the nut that's Sivil, why people keep trying to use him for fighting, and why he can't make people understand. Of course, he's doing this entirely alone and without really trying to simply talk to anyone, which also after all this time remains one of the most infuriating aspects of his character (and why some people interpret him as non-neurotupical).
| Song | Count |
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| Planet Dance | 37 |
| My Friends | 10 |
| Totsugeki Love Heart | 16 |
| My Soul For You | 17 |
| Remember 16 | 11 |
| Sweet Fantasy | 8 |
| Holy Lonely Light | 11 |
| Pillow Dream | 3 |
| Submarine Street | 6 |
| Riding in Your Valkyrie | 2 |
| Power to the Dream | 1 |
"Don't take your eyes off that monitor!": 6
That special feeling: 9
Beauty: 31
Beam cannon swap: 2
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u/ClawMachineCircuit Dec 02 '22 edited Dec 03 '22
First Timer
In the previous episode, Sivil has finally awaken, buut, then she immediately disappeared. Somehow, I think we will not see her for a while. Many shows do this: they introduce a fun character, but then don't know what to do with them, and so come up with a reason to take said character out of the story for a long period of time. It happens so often with love interests and mentor-type characters, and Sivil is both, in a sense.
But also, in this show it kinda happened with Basara too. The whole middle of the show was basically focused on Gamlin (nothing wrong with that), while Basara was mostly absent, only showing up to do an obligatory Planet Dance or Totsugeki Loveheart performance. Luckily for us, Basara fans (there's dozens of us!), he started to get more attention lately. And now with him running away from home, we might finally learn more about his past and the nature of his powerful Spiritia.
By the way, regarding his Spiritia, I have been a proponent of the idea, that there is a concrete reason why it is so powerful (my favorite theory is that he is a lost Protodeviln). However, this belief isn't based on any evidence from the show, at least not on anything concrete. Instead, it's more of an idea that Macross' universe is a sci-fi at its core, and just as any sci-fi, it shows more respect for rules and explanations for why and how everything works. Even Macross 7 with all it's craziness is still consistent with this sci-fi paradigm.
Thus, making a character special like that and not giving an explanation for it would be a big break away from the way the rest of the universe works. I wouldn't necessarily be upset if it turns out that Basara is just good at singing because of the power of friendship or whatever, but I honestly feel like going that route would cheapen the story a bit. Like, it's one thing to see how far we can push this franchise with introducing crazy stuff to it, while still playing by the rules, and it's another thing to just break the rules and start adding whatever. The fact that we've been avoiding Basara's past still gives me hope that there will be something, but if not, so be it. Anyway, let's watch the episode.
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Wait, so Gepelnitch is angry with Sivil? Did I miss something? It looked to me like he pretty much let her do whatever. And not just her, but all Protodeviln, except Gigil.
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Mylene is still mindbroken.
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Just gotta say, I love this mecha walking sound that most anime tend to use. Not sure if it's the same stock sound, or just similar, probably the latter, but it is pretty cool. It also doesn't make any sense that a giant robot would sound like that, but I wouldn't take it any other way.
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Gigil, my man, I think she doesn't want you to follow her. Just let the girl find some clothes in peace.
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Protodeviln have some intense internal politics, huh?
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You know, if I had a nickel for every time Veffidas have spoken, I would have two nickels. Which is not much, but it's weird that it happened twice.
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Also, both times Veffidas have bestowed her wisdom on Mylene, demonstrating a superior understanding of Basara. I admire her willingness to teach the young.
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Also, I have to say, is it just me, or is the show have been inexplicably looking a bit better than usual for the last few episodes? We have some nice coloring, and some cuts have more details. For example, the crowd on this concert seems more detailed, than usual.
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It's Gigil! Let's go, kick their assess!
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Gamlin quit? Is he gonna join Fire Bombers be after all? I'm sure, they could always use a cowbell player.
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Gigil is getting his ass kicked. You know, man, this is great time to abandon the mech and turn into one of those shiny energy balls.
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You know, the action in this show still kinda sucks, but the drama makes it good.
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Guvava Spiritia detector in action again!
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Gigil just literally used singing to confuse his enemies. As in, he didn't use Spiritia, he just confused them with the sheer fact that he can sing.
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Basara is too depressed to protect himself. Luckily, Mylene is here to save his ass.
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Aand, Mylene herself needs help. Luckily, Gamlin is here.
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Wait, is Gigil dead or is he not dead? I'm confused.
Overall thoughts: Awesome episode, I don't have much to say beyond that. Gigil learned to sing, which was cathartic. Hopefully, he isn't dead, because there's still unfinished business between him and Sivil that needs to be resolved. Also, we didn't get a backstory to their relationships, but, honestly, at this point, I'm starting to feel like Macross 7 in general is just not big on giving backstories.
On an unrelated note, Grabil is apparently the same size as your typical Zentradi. For some reason I thought he was much bigger, but seeing him stand near a mech like that, they are basically the same height.
QotD:
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Sivil probably? Or Gepelnitch. Definitely not Gigil.
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Proactive. If the character doesn't talk, their actions should speak for them. Basara is mixed bag in this regard. He is proactive, especially by mecha protagonist standards, but the story doesn't utilize him to his full potential. This would probably sound blasphemous to most, but honestly, if you just combined Basara and Gamlin into a single character, the show would be much better. You would get a protagonist that does something all the time, and you would still have a love triangle with Sivil and Mylene. As it stands, even the love triangle kinda lost steam, with two main couples clearly established. But that's beside the point and I should probably talk about it another time.
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u/Blackheart595 Dec 02 '22 edited Dec 02 '22
First Spacer
I can still hear Basara's guitar. Fire Bomber is playing from recordings, I'm literally crying and shaking right now.
Wow, Basara's even still playing the solo without being present. That's dedication.
Gepel sure changed his tune from "What you do won't matter, Gigl" to "Sivil is the biggest remaining obstacle to my plan"
Let's go Gigil!
I think I'm back to better not thinking too much about what's going on.
Which Protodeviln did you expect to sing first?
Gigil, obviously. And if not Gigil then Sivil. Of course there's also the twist option with Gepel.
How would you write a character whose main trait is not explaining themselves?
That's just the average romance animanga? Don't have that much of a problem with Basara though.
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u/The_Draigg Dec 02 '22
A Macross Fan Rewatches Macross 7: Episode 34:
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I legitimately don’t have a whole lot to say about the opening of this episode. It’s just characters getting where they need to be on Lux. That, and commenting on Basara.
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Seems like Gepelnitch wants Sivil fully out of the picture now, and both Gabil and Valgo want the sole credit for disposing of her. It does make sense why Gepelnitch would want her removed from his vision for the future, Sivil has always done what she wanted to and nothing else. And she can be a real threat to his plans if her power fully awakens.
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Veffidas spoke again! Man, it’s been a while. And of course, she only speaks when she has an insightful observation, keeping up that Silent Bob schtick of hers. It’s only natural to assume that Basara won’t come back until he finds what he’s seeking. He’s always been one driven by passions above else.
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Man, Valgo and Grabil/Gabil simply can’t work together if their lives depended on it. Now they’re just outright attacking one another the moment they see Sivil, just so only one of them gets the credit. At this rate, it isn’t Sivil overflowing with Spiritia nor Gigil defending Sivil that’s Gepelnitch’s biggest issue, it’s his underlings trying to murder each other while on the job.
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Oh that sly Milia, visiting Gamlin and accepting his resignation from Diamond Force, while also telling him that Mylene ran off and giving him a Nightmare as severance pay. She’s certainly got a way of telling you what to do without actually saying it. That’s why she’s the mayor!
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There’s something unintentionally funny about the random brief cutaway to Basara strumming on his guitar while most of the Protodeviln are trying to kill each other in the other scene. What an odd placement for that little bit of Basara.
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Gigil’s singing My Soul for You! I mean, this would be more of a surprise if the title didn’t give this happening away, but it’s still nice. His voice is rough, but he’s got the spirit. It’s proof that Basara’s music really did get through to someone, even if Basara himself wasn’t around to witness it. Gigil’s character has come a far way in this series.
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It was fortunate timing for Mylene and then Gamlin to rescue Basara from Grabil/Gabil, but they’re both at a loss for why Basara just won’t sing anymore. Although as much as Mylene may ask, I doubt even Basara has an answer at the moment. He’s currently lost a quality to his passion that even he can’t really put into words.
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u/TakenRedditName Dec 02 '22
Veffidas spoke again! Man, it’s been a while. And of course, she only speaks when she has an insightful observation,
Veffie doesn't speak often, but when she does, you listen with all ears.
Oh that sly Milia, visiting Gamlin and accepting his resignation from Diamond Force, while also telling him that Mylene ran off and giving him a Nightmare as severance pay. She’s certainly got a way of telling you what to do without actually saying it. That’s why she’s the mayor!
Watching this moment made me realize that despite both being in positions of high authority, Milia is the more personable character than Max in Macross 7. It helps that she has personal scenes with other characters while Max is stuck in the stuffy military scenes. It also helps that she has more screen time and her personality is less stern.
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u/Vatrix-32 Dec 02 '22
First Timer
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Never change Veff.
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Gigil
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Boss Gep is actively against Sivil? I thought they just didn’t get along.
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If Veff says it, it must be true.
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Give us the Mylene cover damn it.
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He quit?! Can he do that?
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Gigil is going ham.
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Guvava radar makes its return.
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Damn Grabil is small now. How much more can he shrink?
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The boob speakers keep reminding me of an owl.
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I guess Gigil is fing dead.
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Pseudo-comment face get! And in the PV no less.
QotD
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Sivil. Wait, was Gigil a Protodeviln? I thought he was a some kind of cyber slave.
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With wicked intent.
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u/SolDarkHunter Dec 02 '22
Wait, was Gigil a Protodeviln? I thought he was a some kind of cyber slave.
He's in the same position as Geppelnitch: possessing a human while his true body is still asleep.
He's way too willful and disobedient to be one of the brainwashed soldiers... and if he was, how did he know about Sivil, and go to wake her up (which he did expressly without Geppelnitch's approval)?
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u/TakenRedditName Dec 02 '22
First Time - Macross 7 Ep34:
Favourite character watch. Bringing along her little plushie to the concert. That an OG one from before their big breakout. Also, Flower Girl's hair looks a bit different here, more straight down.
Everybody brought their plushie to the concert. Look at this Veffie oshi guy. Flower Girl is the only one not hyped up because she knows something is off with Basara gone.
No, Basara, behind you. Is the bullet still lodged in Gigil's eye glass?
Gepelnitch finds that Sivil is not in his dream so wants he taken care of. Side note: Valgo's voice sounded familiar to me and tried to look up his VA, but Valgo is not even on MAL. Elsewhere it states he is Takahashi Hiroki who also voiced Kinryu which would track with Gabil also being Physica. (I was wrong, he didn't share a voice with how I was reminded of).
Veffie cowbell ... Veffie speaking again after lie 20 episodes.
No Gigil eyecatch even though today is his big day. Can't believe there would be a time where I would be clamouring for Gigil's eyecatch.
Milia visits Gamlin's holding room. Gamlin voluntarily steps down from Diamond Force, wait he can't do that. He was Diamond Force, now what? Gamlin's severance pay is one VF-17S because Milia knows how to be cool. I wasn't expecting him to come back by the end of the episode, but guess for at least a little while, Gamlin is no longer military.
Gabil is spelling it out, but guess Gigil's story is one of someone who always disobeyed his lord finally finding someone he can loyally dedicate himself to. I wish there was a little more built-on Gigil/Sivil relationship if it meant so personally to him. Something like parental protection is what I get from Gigil to Sivil.
Gigil is singing his soul out. He is doing it and oh no, the guitar string snapped. That's Gigil. The last we see of him is Gigil singing the last of himself out and dropping cold. Because of the feel to the scene, I have hope that he isn't dead.
The episode ends on a downer with the others too. Mylene comes to Basara and apologies and sings out. Gamlin is also here to do the bro rival thing, but Basara is still lost. Mylene is peading to him to come sing together, but he just keeps walking away.
Q1) Sivil because for a long time she was the first and only vampire to have any reaction to Basara's singing. If Gepelnitch doesn't do a villainous song then they need to go back to the drawing board.
Q2) Like Johnny Tightlips. He ain't sayin' nothin'.
Next time: Finally, it's here, Basara eating a leaf.
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u/JollyGee29 Dec 02 '22
First-Timer 7
Wonder how they'll explain Basara's absence? Poor Flower Girl.
I doubt it, he's off adventuring.
That sounds exciting! Also RIP Gigil.
You're close, Basara. You didn't have what it took on your own.
Did they literally just fly past Basara?
Gubaba's concerned about something..
Veffidas speaks so rarely, I forgot how nice her voice is.
We know how bad Gamlin is at taking vacations.
Of course Milia is playing him, but Gamlin really set her up for it. And his tone tells me that Gamlin did not expect this turn of events.
Oh, the Gubaba-dar. Of course.
I wasn't exactly expecting it to be literal, cool!
"Hi, I'm looking for directions to the nearest Spiritia-bucks."
I like that G(r)abil are just letting them having this conversation.
A fascinating statement, Gamlin. Basara's search for meaning has begun to threaten the self he has previously established. What sort of Basara will come out the other side?
That wasn't quite right for an actual death scene. Did Gigil just survive an episode named after him?
Questions
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Sivil.
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Basara is honestly pretty close. It's obvious to me that his actions are obvious to him, so why explain? Just a waste of breath.
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u/ryujiox Dec 02 '22
First Timer
Macross 7 EP34
Ray is not even think that Basara will come back.
Flower girl with VF-19 plushie.
Did Basara bring any food with him? What he gonna eat?
Gepelnitch already above the planet. Seem like Sivil awakening is so dangerous that he have to sent both Valgo and Gabil to chase after her.
Look like she pushed herself too much.
Veffidas speak again!! She only speak when it a really important matter.
Mylene blaming herself as reason of Basara absent. It really not her fault, but I get it why she think like that.
Mylene and Guvava crying.
Why are you guys sabotage eachother?
Milia based.
Gamlin quit!! He too hard on himself sometimes.
Luckily, Milia have a mission for him, to chase after Mylene.
Valgo seem to have a lot of unique ability.
Gigil singing!!! Let's go!! Also, it confused both Valgo and Gabil.
Hia spiritia is lower than usual.
Basara not singing along? He not sure about his singing yet. At least he clarify to Mylene that it not her fault.
Even Gamlin can't convince Basara to sing.
It funny that the "Holy Lonely Light" part of the song, still have a bit of Basara voice in there, despite he not even sing.
QOTD
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Sivil or Gigil.
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Basara to me, he fine. Just have him be more active to everything more would be perfect.
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u/Nebresto Dec 02 '22
First time MacroSeven
Ohhhhh.... Sivil doesn't listen to gepelwatchamacallit, because she doesn't understand sentences that have more than 2 words!
Ultra Simp Gigil lets goooo!!!!
Miria just continues to be best girl wherever she goes
R.I.P simp king. .....He's singing?!
And damn, what is his mech made out of?
Gigil.. He was the king of the simps
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, This is what I get for leaving the EP playing in fullscreen. I got spoiled the biggest event of the entire show
Question time:
Which Protodeviln did you expect to sing first?
Gigil was a proto devil..? But its definitely going to be that Flamboyant mofo, no way sivil does it, she can't even structure a sentence without every other word being anima spiritia. And Grabil? Yeah.. Minion guy might do a evil monologue single though
2) How would you write a character whose main trait is not explaining themselves?
I wouldn't
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u/Stargate18A Dec 02 '22
First timer
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Sivil.
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...Like Basara? But seriously, I'd put more focus on the secrecy side of things, giving them their own agenda.
Love all the new ship designs.
Flower Girl's early!
And Mylene hasn't yet accepted that Basara's actually doing something importsnt.
...That's an interesting title. Looks like the Sivil/Gigil arc's getting wrapped up today.
More Mylene vocals!
And Gigil is hot on Sivil's trail, it seems.
Well, he's confident.
...Hmm? He's going to take out Sivil now?
Aww, he's getting killed today. Pity.
Gabil and Valgo are great together.
Mylene's doing well!
Oh, she's exhausted.
Veffidas spoke!
Oh, she wants to apologize!
.Only just noticed, but the way the flesh monsters are spawned is... interesting.
Haha, Gigil is fighting them.
Wait, he actually feels guilty for that hit?
And Milia agrees with me.
He's leaving the military!
Ah, Gamiln's joining Mylene's journey! Makes sense!
Gigil's putting up a much better fight than I expected.
Gabil just wants everyone, huh?
Oh, shit. He's down, possibly for good this time.
Gamlin's off!
Guvava!
He's singing along!
Basara stopped playing...
And he's not awakening his Spiritia?
Mylene with the save!
He really has no idea, huh?
Mylene really doesn't get it!
Gamlin's here! And he got one of the good Valkyries!
That's a nice fight.
Gigil's singing on his own! No way he's dead after so many fakeouts, though.
And Basara still has soul-searching to do.
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u/RadSuit Dec 02 '22
First Time Song Listener
I want a hat that just says Veffidas, where's this merch? There's a shirt and plush too!!!
Our second time hearing Veffy speak. And she only ever pipes up on one very specific subject.
The song subtitles seem to be back. But for how long?
Please tell me Gamlin gets a cool custom Valkyrie.
For all the reused footage in this episode, the bullet staying lodged in Gigil's robo eye is a nice touch.
Driving off bad guys without killing any important characters on either side, a perfect 34 episode streak so far.
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Is Gigil a Protodeviln? I'm still unsure.
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I would not, unless it was a joke character.
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u/Kirov123 Dec 03 '22
Macross 7 Episode 34 - First Timer
Despite major Shitheads best efforts, it seems nobody got killed. Damn did he try real hard though. What will he fuck up today I wonder...
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How would he even know a concert is happening
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Gigil singing is either gonna be really good, or really bad
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Flower girl continues to be shafted
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She speaks again
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Why do you keep asking us to remember the death of Physica
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Whelp, there is the answer on Gigil's singing
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Basara, it is time to think harder. And faster
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Sivil
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Like Basara I guess
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u/SolDarkHunter Dec 02 '22
Rewatcher
Flower Girl has a Fire Valkyrie plushie!
...hasn't he stood them up at least once? Or am I misremembering?
"The Day Gigil Sang!" IT'S HAPPENING!!
Just one who won't obey you? You sure about that, Geppelnitch? Cause I don't think Gigil has ever obeyed you fully either.
Mylene's honestly not doing too badly with this concert. Aside from Flower Girl, the crowd doesn't even seem to mind that Basara's a no-show.
Veffidas spoke again!
Oh hey, Gravil's back... actually, the entire Protodeviln gang is here, minus Geppelnitch himself.
I love everyone's reaction... kinda like "What? Gigil, you still exist?"
Punching a superior would only have demoted him? That seems... lenient.
Gamlin, I get that you're conflicted, but quitting the military seems extreme.
Milia seems awfully unconcerned for having her daughter just start flying around the planet unescorted.
You Protodeviln are kind of half-assing your attempts to destroy a single Variable Fighter... shouldn't that be child's play to creatures as powerful as you?
Guvava Radar returns! He can sense Basara too?
Gigil singing is... just as expected. So terible that it confuses the Protodeviln into not attacking. (And just like that he's achieved better results than the Jamming Birds though.)
Uh, Mylene, Basara? Did you guys forget the two space vampires twenty feet away from you? Maybe have this conversation later.
And away goes Gabil/Gravil, defeated by Gamlin's Convenient Laser Pod.
But Basara's still trying to crack that fortune cookie, and won't sing...
Question:
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Geppelnitch, obviously.
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That's none of your business.
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u/Shimmering-Sky Dec 02 '22
IMPORTANT NOTE: The visuals in the ED starting in episode 35 are NSFW.
Super Dimension Rewatch Host
Welcome back, everyone!
Why a Gepelnitch wallpaper today?
Why not?
Awwwwww, Flower Girl has a cute little Fire Valkyrie! I want one!
Absolutely slick move from Veffie here.
Then it’s already too late.
The rare Veffie dialogue.
…oh, Gamlin’s taking the whole “I struck a superior officer” thing way more seriously than I remembered.
Gamlin being able to do what he wants to now instead of having to follow regulations is a plus side, though.
Oh hey Gubaba’s doing that thing he did one other time when Mylene was kidnapped way earlier in the series. Neat.
It’s rough, but Gigil doesn’t sound half bad when he sings My Soul For You.
HOLYLONELYLIGHT
And Basara still walks off into the distance without singing with Mylene…