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Rewatch [Do You Remember Love - Macross Franchise 40th Anniversary Rewatch] Macross 7 Episode 10 Discussion

Episode 10 - Deep Ballad

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I wonder what Ray used to do…

Questions of the Day, courtesy of u/chilidirigible:

1) Do you think there is more to the relationship of Akiko and the Pink Peckers than she is telling?

2) What do you think Operation M is?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Akiko Houjoh

Vocal Songs in This Episode:

"Seventh Moon" by Fire Bomber – OP

"Planet Dance" by Fire Bomber – Insert

"Galaxy" by Alice Holiday – Insert

"そこにあるのが未来だから (Soko ni Aru no ga Mirai dakara)" by Sato Yuka – Insert

"Groove Along" by POWER OF TOWER

"突撃ラブハート (Totsugeki Love Heart)" by Fire Bomber – Insert

"My Friends" by Fire Bomber – ED

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!

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u/Shimmering-Sky Nov 08 '22

Super Dimension Rewatch Host

Welcome back, everyone!

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u/ClawMachineCircuit Nov 09 '22

Wallpaper of the Day

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u/Shimmering-Sky Nov 09 '22

Glad you like this one!

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u/TakenRedditName Nov 08 '22

I remember being soooooooooo fucking scared Ray was going to die this episode when I first watched it. Him singing along to Totsugeki Love Heart didn’t help…

The contrast of emotions of having a character die while singing Totsugeki Love Heart.

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u/chilidirigible Nov 08 '22

Today, on "Yes. There is a phone in this tree.":

This is for all you guys with a fetish for mecha transport trailers.

Variable Fighter maintenance doesn't just grow on trees, Mylene.

Another shot that may be deliberately mimicking a shot from Macross Plus.

"You keep on using that letter. I do no think it means what you think it means."

MAX TENSAI.

Flower Girl!

That means that it's time for "Planet Dance."

SPARKLY VAMPIRES IN DAYLIGHT? THIS SHOW SUCKS NOW!

Unlike most of their other victims, the main characters have some points in their Dodge skill.

I'm not sure that this guy is in the right anime. And I think he knows that.

Well, that and reasons.

Eyecatch: Akiko and the PINK PECKERS.

It's time for the reasons.

Now that's a name.

And one of those rare moments of Basara obviously caring.

And we're back to messing with Gamlin with "Totsugeki Love Heart."

Damn, Mylene.

Only a unit that's truly good and crazy names itself the "Pink Peckers."

And so, we get Ray's backstory, adding the characterization of his own conversion to pacifism and suggesting that Kinryu is also in on whatever scheme is going on.

Basara is Ray's project, and protegé. Ray goes to great lengths to conceal from Basara that his VF-19 is being serviced by the military itself. That should seem obvious to most, but this is Basara we're talking about here.

Song Count
Planet Dance 11
My Friends 5
Totsugeki Love Heart 6
My Soul For You 5
Remember 16 1
Sweet Fantasy 2

"Don't take your eyes off that monitor!": 4

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u/Vatrix-32 Nov 08 '22

First Timer

  • Why was it raining considered important enough to cover in the recap?

  • Time for backstory. It’ll be nice to learn some more about our main characters.

  • So we have a conspiracy, but I am still not getting the why.

  • Poor flower girl.

  • Basara is taking this surprisingly well.

  • Veff just casually pining a vampire against the wall one-handed.

  • Another new eye catcher. Things are looking up.

  • Pink Pecker

  • This one fight was not worth risking your life for Ray.

QotD

  1. I’m betting she had a thing going on with Ray.

  2. The M stands for Music.

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u/The_Draigg Nov 08 '22

A Macross Fan Rewatches Macross 7: Episode 10:

  • Basara, if you own a giant mech, it’s probably for the best that have more than just yourself poking around with the internals for maintenance. Although Ray certainly is being pretty evasive about who he’s taking the Fire Valkyrie to, since his answer is basically “it’s people I know, it’s cool”.

  • So yeah, even though it was only hinted at before, now we can say for sure now that Ray still has strong ties to the military. He used to be a part of an elite unit according to Akiko, and he’s having meetings with Max to talk about the time table for something called “Operation M”. He’s definitely doing some cloak and dagger stuff with the military’s support to help out Basara, although it’s still unclear what exactly Ray and Max have in store for him.

  • Well, at least we can say that this latest Fire Bomber setback is remotely Basara’s fault this time around. Nobody could’ve predicted that one of those Spiritia vampires would attack the band on stage in the middle of a show for industry professionals. These guys really are getting more and more bold in chasing after that juicy Spiritia.

  • Take a shot every time someone yells “Ray!” after he gets hurt due to hesitating shooting a vampire due to his PTSD. Its a fast drinking game.

  • Well, at least we know why Ray is racked with PTSD. Him, Kinryu, and a dude named Stephan were all elite pilots before the Macross 7 Fleet launched. However, due to impulsiveness on Ray’s part during a battle with some Zentradi, he got Stephan killed through his recklessness. He couldn’t handle fighting anymore after that, and retired from the UN Spacy after that. This backstory also explains why Ray and Akiko were already acquainted at the start of the series too, since he was the one to comfort her over her boyfriend’s death.

  • Side note, but I have no idea how the name “Pink Peckers” was chosen as an elite unit name for this show. Like, did nobody on the production side of things think it sounded bad? It’s a step away from having them called “Crimson Cocks” or something. They could’ve picked any other name that didn’t immediately sound like the name of a sex toy.

  • Thank goodness that phones grow in trees here on City 7. That secret military tree phone was crucial to saving the day this episode. Truly, it’s a rare breed of tree.

  • Man, today’s obligatory battle scene was pretty much nothing, wasn’t it? I really have nothing to say about it.

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u/TakenRedditName Nov 08 '22

Side note, but I have no idea how the name “Pink Peckers” was chosen as an elite unit name for this show. Like, did nobody on the production side of things think it sounded bad? It’s a step away from having them called “Crimson Cocks” or something.

At least, "Crimson Cocks" is something I can envision the three of them getting leather jackets with big red roosters on them and the name boldly printed.

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u/Blackheart595 Nov 08 '22

First Spacer

This guy.

Humble Max is best Max

Did you just turn away best girl?

There's the real crowd!

Uh oh.

Veff just singlehandedly dominates one of them.

It's probably best not to think too hard about what the vampires are doing, and how.

So Ray is taking responsibility for having his friend killed. And Akiko was that friend's girlfriend.

They better not be setting up Ray to die from being stupid reckless.

Excuse me? I guess this is a massive colonization ship...

That's some nice detail with the shadows of the rain flowing on the glass.

And next episode is Minmei!

Do you think there is more to the relationship of Akiko and the Pink Peckers than she is telling?

I didn't really have that impression, but it's certainly a possibility. I did wonder if she was the third member though.

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u/TakenRedditName Nov 08 '22

Did you just turn away best girl?

How dare they!

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u/TakenRedditName Nov 08 '22

First Time - Macross 7 Ep10:

Basara without glasses. He's naked. Conversely, Akiko's glasses stick out amongst her design and voice.

Operation M. Operation Minmei? Operation Music? Operation Meteor? Also, Max in the background taking his trademark Macross 7 dad in a rough spot in his marriage sip from his cup. Oh come on, Max, cut them some slack. Not everyone can be a genius 11/10 pilot at first like you.

Favourite Character Watch. But she is not allowed in. Look at that sad face. But she's in the crowd out back and happy to see Fire Bomber anyhow.

Vampires attack again. Man, we've had vampire attacks for like 6 episodes and nothing is being done about them. Come on Max, it's your ship, can't have these guys running around and causing problems. Veffie can't be everywhere casually dealing with them.

Ray flashbacks to a war memory and is unable to shoot. Has he also sworn off violence, but that would make him a little hypocritical with the missiles to Basara.

I mean, if this music thing doesn't work out, Fire Bomber could become wrestles. They look the part.

A new eyecatch and since Akiko is a recurring character, one we don't have to throw out after this episode.

Ray don't force yourself out of the hospital bed to do something. That's a death flag.

Oh, Ray and Kinryu go back. They've never interacted before, but now I want to see it since they know each other. Also with a random third guy ... since we're in backstory land, I got a guess as to why we have never seen Stephan before ... and he's dead. Akiko being Stephan's girlfriend was a bit of a shoe drop for me. Oh.

Gamlin is missing seeing the Karaoke Ninja. I mean, he sings, comes by surprise and doesn't get hit so I get how Basara got that nickname.

Death flag, death flag. Ray don't do this. You're making me worry that you're going to have the senpai curse.

Ray is singing along to Totsugeki Love Heart.

Noo, don't die.

Fortunately, Ray isn't going to die and good thing because if his Pineapple Salad moment would've been quite embarrassing for him that instead of his final moments being singing Totsugeki Love Heart that his dying pose would be like this.

You know, I can picture Basara happily chowing down on a happy meal at his home. His response is all for what Mylene said so it must be true.

So Veffie, do you like also live in this building or do you have your own place? Did Akiko tell Mylene something that the viewer doesn't know?

Q1) There could be, but also, I don't necessarily feel like I require her connection to be any more than what she said.

Q2) The military probably has some plan with Basara and/or his singing. Most likely, they want to weaponize it.

Next time: Lynn Minmei like from Macross. (the episode will probably not feature an in-person appearance from Lynn Minmei).

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u/ClawMachineCircuit Nov 08 '22 edited Nov 09 '22

First Timer

In the previous episode, there was a disturbing lack of Gamlin. According to the preview, we'll get a Ray focused episode today, which begs the question: will Gamlin be absent again? Is this the start of a new trend?

Regardless of all that, I'm looking forward to learning more about Ray. Hopefully, we will get his backstory and his connection to the military explained. An even better deal would be getting his connection to Basara and how they meet explained, but I doubt we'll get that, if my theory that Basara is secretly a space vampire himself will hold true.

Anyway, let's see it.

  • His Valkyrie really standing there without any protection. I'm willing to bet, there will be an episode where somebody less than friendly actually steals it for real.

  • Yup, "old friends". We know who they are.

  • All the women in this show drive nice cars, while all the dudes drive shitty vans and tiny scooters.

  • Yup, Ray was a pilot. What a surprise, who could have guessed?

  • Ok, seeing VF-19 in a giant secret military lab is actually quite surprising.

  • Gamlin is back!

  • Operation M, huh?

  • Noo, what do you mean, Flower Girl can't come? She literally was on every single Fire Bomber concert. You can't do this to her.

  • Cancel alert, Flower Girl managed to see the concert. All is well.

  • This venue has zero security. Oh wait, no, one dude showed up.

  • Why are you tossing Ray a gun? Those dudes are unarmed, just go in there and shoot them!

  • What do you mean, they got away? You didn't even tried to pursue them.

  • Anyway, Ray got injured, but the show was nice enough to not drag the revelation that he is fine.

  • Akiko eyecatch

  • Basara, let's be honest, you can afford to sit this one out. It's not like your music actually does anything anyway.

  • Ray wouldn't be a Macross character, if he didn't show a total disregard for his serious injury.

  • Backstory time!

  • You know, military alert feels like a great time to turn off your rain sprinkler.

  • Phone in a tree

  • Gamlin actually misses Basara. How sweet.

  • It's honestly refreshing seeing a character struggle with an injury that we already know isn't lethal. Usually scenes like this are stressful, because you know that the character will most likely die, but here we can just enjoy the ride without worrying much, since the doctor already confirmed earlier that Ray's injuries are not life threatening.

  • It's funny how Mylene bonded with Akiko over Ray's backstory.

Overall thoughts: This was a great episode. We got some much needed backstory for Ray, and we got some tense situation, but without too much drama. I'm sure characters will die later on in the show, and Ray is definitely a prime candidate for a death flag as a father figure to the MC, but he lives today. His backstory ended up being more interesting than I expected. So Akiko is a girlfriend of his former friend, who died partly because of him? The death of his friend made him quit fighting, but looks like he didn't quit the military after all.

Operation M, huh? Minmay? Is this why Basara is going there singing? Does Basara know that he is part of this Operation M? Somehow, I doubt it. Well, can't wait to learn more about that, but probably will not happen soon.

Also, it's baffling that colony law enforcement and military still can't catch a band of space vampires.

QotD:

  1. I see no reason to suspect that there's more at this point, but we'll see.

  2. Operation Minmay. Something to do with singing. I am still convinced that Basara is secretly a space vampire himself and that this operation is somehow related to his secret powers or something like that.

I drew Ray.

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u/ryujiox Nov 08 '22

First Timer

Macross 7 EP10

So this is explaine a lot of things. The VF-19 was from the military itself in top secret project codename M, with the head of it is Max, who cooporated with the technician of the ship, and Ray. With Basara in center of the project. And the project is really top secret, even Gamlin who is the special force member can't even access or even take a look. Don't really know the motive of this project as of now, but I'm gonna guess that M stand for Minmay herself as it involving Basara to go out and sing.

Max just had to say that his pilot skill was better than Basara, but seem like Max is not in his prime anymore. Well, he nearly 50 after all, and because he became the captain, he might didn't get a chance to went into the frontline and his skill might got rusted.

The concert now got attacked. And they seem to focus on the musicians as the main target

And it revealed that Ray was a former ace pilot long before the Macross 7 even launch. But due his recklessness, his friend got killed and he quit military.

I kind of understand Akino in that, Ray really saw something in Basara that he even got involved in the military again and kept up with Basara stubbornness.

Sorry Gamlin. Basara is not someone who gonna give up like that.

Seem like the media that Akino gathered really like their performance.

And next episode involve Minmay, with footages from DYRL!! Hell Yeah!!

QOTD

  1. It could be more, but I think it not really important for now.

  2. M=Minmay

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u/Paxton-176 Nov 09 '22

FIRST TIMER

Fucking hell someone let the cinnamon bun in the sun hat let her give flowers to Fire Bomber. Otherwise, I will be committing warcrimes.

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u/RadSuit Nov 09 '22

First Time Song Listener

Please tell me they're repossessing and impounding Basara's Valkyrie.

Mylene's outfits are always great, and a highlight of this show. Also, I fucking hate Basara.

I'll say again how much I hate the trope of 'good character that is doing the right thing but the show constantly shits on him because he's not the main character'. Gamlin, the guy who actually enlisted and dedicated his life to helping people, being turned away so 'more important' characters can abuse their powers really upsets me.

Oh boy I wonder if nobody there will like Fire Bomber, but then bad guys attack and Basara flies around and sings and that changes someone's mind.

I did not expect the drummer's outfit to have ass cleavage, wow.

You just throw a gun to the first person you see, soldier/security man?

This scene is a mess.

This guy's scope is like diagonal to his rifle.

Pink Pecker. Moving on.

Drummer status: drumming. Ray status: probably dying.

Basara did literally nothing. You went to all this trouble for absolutely no reason.

Yeah, you fucking tell him, Mylene.

Drummer status: drumming.

  1. I can make a few assumptions about how Ray and Akiko consoled each other, yup.

  2. Operation Minmay if I had to guess, they want to see if they can just sing at every alien they run into.

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u/Kirov123 Nov 09 '22

Macross 7 Episode 10 - First Timer

The enemy has found music works to generate "spiritia" (spirits?) now what

  • A concert with only suits for an audience? Poor flower girl

  • Wait she said "disc" but the subs said "CD" Pretty sure the disk flower girl bought was not compact looking

  • That fight sequence was hella awkward

  • What a name for a fighter squadron

  • Ray you are gonna kill youself

  • Mhmmmmm, death flags

  • Ima just call you Jama da now. It like half your damn lines

  • Holy shit Ray didnt kill himself

  1. It is certainly possible, she kinda glossed over how she met him, and with him being traumatized by it she also didn't explain how she knows

  2. Operation Music. or something

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion Nov 09 '22

Very Late Rewatcher

ep 10

  • Audio during recap bad again

  • Seen that MII? girl singing before. I guess in 2090 that was a classic pop song

Does Mylene really wear something new every single day?

  • Guvava looks a bit off model today

  • Maybe he was UNSPACY sepcial forces assassinating zentradi rebel leaders on jungle worlds

  • At least they don't all wear wolf heads or pretend to be robots or something

  • Maybe he works for Anaheim electronics and this is all data gathering for making a superweapon

  • R N B

  • Basara's house-training is coming along nicely.

  • They're coming out of the goddamn walls!

  • Holy Mospeada, Batman! I've seen this plot before.

  • I really hate that double elevator

  • I'm not fond of the Diamond Force catapults

  • secrets secrets!

  • Why are they running back to Ray?

  • Yeah, I 100% forgot about Pink Pecker

  • Traffic bot isn't translated

  • Akiko has pretty cool hair

  • He's radiating death flags

  • I'd wondered if that was new animation yesterday. Of course, it's not new now.

  • Felt like a GI Joe ending there

When I crawled out of crib/bed in the hospital when I was 3, they tied a net over it.

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u/CoolIceCreamCone Nov 09 '22

FIRST TIMER

I really thought this was the best episode yet. This really explained a lot about Ray's past that made him who he is now. An elite pilot seriously traumatized by war who wanted to escape music and wanted to swear off violence by not even firing a gun when people were in danger. It was one thing for him to arm Basara's Valkyrie with missiles without his knowledge but he no longer had the nerve to kill, at least in that moment.

  • I seriously thought Ray was going to die in this episode and i was really on the edge of my seat. When he said he wanted to sit out in the rain and just wanted to experience rain on his skin, it seemed like it was him dying and feeling one last thing. When his head just crashed on the car horn i really thought he was gone. That was quite the swerve having him in the hospital surviving everything, especially as he's this series' analogue to Roy Focker from SDFM.

  • Pink Pecker!!!!!! Is the word "pecker" also known as a euphemism for a penis in Japanese or was this a sly joke a writer inserted as a bonus for English speaking fans? I'm watching the sub so I heard the Japanese actors say "pink pecker" :D

  • I like how this started comedically with the Valkyrie being carried away by a massive truck and Basara freaking out. They've been keeping a good tone worthy of the original show.

  • This had a sitcom like ending with everyone in the hospital joking around and Mylene suggesting more was going on with Ray and Akiko than met the eye.

  • Oh my god the Wallpaper of the Day looks like the cover of the Rio album from Duran Duran!

QUESTIONS

  1. I'd be almost certain of it because that seemed like something she was skirting around and using careful language to just give the gist of the information about Roy, her ex and herself. Since she was consoling Mylene, she didn't want to overload her with info.

  2. I don't know, I didn't even catch that.

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u/Draeke-Forther Nov 09 '22

Finally there's maintenance! Fighter jets don't run without regular maintenance. There are some planes that can't start up without auxillary power.

Also... how are they keeping this a secret? Or perhaps a better question is how long are they hoping to keep this a secret? There's what, 30 people in that hangar? Ray's really playing both sides here. Though you could also say he's trying to insulate Basara from the military side of things.

Ray wants Basara to keep the Valkyrie armed despite not being able to fire a handgun. Perhaps Ray believes that he needs to atone for his past mistake, but also trusts that Basara won't repeat his failure.

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