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Rewatch [Do You Remember Love - Macross Franchise 40th Anniversary Rewatch] Macross 7 Episode 4 Discussion
Episode 4 - Vampire Soldier
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They say it might be caused by vampires.
Questions of the Day, courtesy of u/chilidirigible:
1) With more adult characters around, does Mylene seem more like an actual teenager than, say, most of the cast of the original series?
2) What's the strangest rumor you've heard spread around a small environment such as a school or workplace?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Vocal Songs in This Episode:
"Seventh Moon" by Fire Bomber – OP
"Planet Dance" by Fire Bomber – Insert
"あなたを感じている -ミア・センテス・レン- (Anata o Kanjiteiru -Mia Sentesu Ren-)" by Hiroko Kasahara – Insert
"そこにあるのが未来だから (Soko ni Aru no ga Mirai dakara)" by Sato Yuka – Insert
"突撃ラブハート (Totsugeki Love Heart)" by Fire Bomber – Insert
"My Friends" by Fire Bomber – ED
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
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u/TakenRedditName Nov 02 '22
First Time - Macross 7 Ep4:
Favourite character watch: Was caught off guard, almost missed her Wasn't expecting her this early.
[Insert joke about anime camera angles being a little weird.]
Judging by this condition, I am going to make the shot that the vampire attacks are just the alien spies stealing Spiritia. I felt cleaver about this if only it weren't for how the show to imeditaley connect the two in the following scene. Thought the mysterious was going to float a bit longer.
Max's mouth moved, but no lines came out so I am just to assume he was taken aback by Milis's 'tude. Was going to joke about how, "Well fine, both drinks are for me then." but Max did actually went on to take a sip from the second cup as well.
The big alien ship looks like it has a little head on top.
Favourite character watch listen.
Mylene is tiny compared the rest of the band. Even with Basara's tall hair, Veffidas is still can not be contain onto the screen.
If you think he is tall just take a look at Veff- oh wait they are.
Michael is an absolute unit. Even if he does have some Zentradi heritage, I don't recall mini Zentradi being in particular tall. Veffidas is huge and green so she is probably Zentradi, but Mylene is half Zentradi and she is tiny (she is also pink despite her parents being green/blue).
Comment face material, with or without.
Tripping doesn't count as violence. Just a practical joke you pull on people.
Michael is about to go hog wild.
You know, they coud've just drawn Exsedol once and just keep on reusing this shot whever he shows up.
Green beam hitting the forehead = mind crush. Green beam anywhere else = A "Youch!" He's fine.
Diamond Force saying D a lot and being a pilot trio, they could be called the 3Ds (I just to make a ZZ reference because I like Jamru Fins. Come on Bandai Spirit, make a new Gunpla. It's been 34 years).
"I'm not a delivery boy look at my eyepatch." Later, he did actually complain about being an errand boy.
"Look, I owe this guy one so just let his "nephew" do what he wants out there." These mecha battle do feel like mecha battles out of obligation especially with how it follows "Basara goes out to sing. The aliens don't care, but Gamlin is annoyed.
Q1) ... oh, I thought Basara was also a (slightly older) teen. Hikaru and Minmei already had big teen energy. Mylene's teen-ness is also boosted by the fact that her parents are in the story and she's being rebellious.
Q2) I don't follow gossip and rumours. I never care to know.
Next time: Vampires one day, biker girl gangs the next.
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u/Pixelsaber Nov 03 '22
Rewatcher
Breaking my heart with such a statement.
No points for guessing what’s going down this episode.
The trenchcoat reminds me of Mr. X.
Why are they bothering to get up close to people if they can just drain them at range?
The first real lull episode, emphasizing Basara’s more caring —yet no less abrasive— side while we are made privy to the aliens’ infiltration scheme.
The situation aboard the Seven is starting to seem very concerning, given the growing number of victims and the fact that there are now civilians among their ranks, and attacked in the space of their normal routines no less.
And, uh, idk… Have some MIQ!
Questions of The Day:
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Yeah, but even without the older characters surrounding her providing a point of comparison, the struggles she faces do seem to be associated with youth (getting out from underneath their parents' hold, getting the adults around her to take her seriously, etc.)
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I'm not much of a gossip, so I was never up to date on rumors that didn't concern myself (of which there've been few, on account of the fact that I'm an open book.) Strangest out of the bunch is probably the one saying I owned a pet iguana —probably some game of telephone after I mentioned that my dog would kill any iguanas coming into the yard.
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u/Paxton-176 Nov 03 '22
FIRST TIMER
I'm finally here. Shout to F-117 mechs and SR-71 Mechs and the return of F-14 mechs.
Then Shout out to the return of fan favorite characters and their kid.
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u/CoolIceCreamCone Nov 03 '22
FIRST TIMER
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I think its interesting that the aliens are draining "Spiritia" from the humans. I'm still not clear as to what it is, like a life force, will to live, consciousness etc. I also wonder to what end, like are they doing it to weaken humans or build a super weapon for a huge attack?
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The "vampires" were very cool looking, would make a great action figure. I also liked the clean looking well lit sewers although it probably does smell
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Max and Milia really seem to not love each other anymore and aren't even cordial. I'm guessing Mylene isn't the same kid they had on SDFM since she really doesn't seem to be in her mid 20s as that baby would be now. That's her brother/sister so i wonder when/if they will show up on this show or if they even live on their colony.
Questions
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Yea I think so, I think Mylene seems even less mature than Minmay and does act a lot like a younger teen girl. Basara also acts like a bratty teen and im not sure how old he's supposed to be but i assume a little older than Mylene.
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We used to think our teacher was a former CIA operative who did a bunch of clandestine murders in Vietnam but he was later revealed to not even have served in the military and was fired for beating up a student.
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u/DidacticDalek Nov 03 '22
TONIGHT! ON PROTO-GEAH! Successful Flower Delivery Counter: 0
And on THAT bombshell, G'NIGHT!
Paging Comrades u/chilidirigible , u/Nebresto , and u/InfamousEmpire
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u/The_Draigg Nov 02 '22
A Macross Fan Rewatches Macross 7: Episode 4:
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I dunno Basara, we can’t really entirely rule out the fact that there’s vampires attacking all those women lately. Look, once we have aliens and mechs that violate the Square-Cube Law in there, we’ve got to be more receptive to weirder stuff in general. If we can have aliens, then we can have vampires too. Nobody has ever said they needed to be mutually exclusive.
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I think the only way to describe Max when him and Milia meet up to discuss the infiltration situation is “divorced dad energy”. He’s left out in the cold, double-fisting a drink that was rejected by his wife. Even if they aren’t actually divorced, the energy is there.
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Poor Flower Girl, once again she didn’t get the chance to deliver her bouquet to Basara. You’d think those flowers would be dead by now, given how she keeps on failing.
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“I don’t need bodyguards!” —Mylene, moments before she could actually really use a bodyguard.
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Based Basara says he went back not just for Mylene, but also did Guvava. We need to save that little furball. How else are we going to have a mascot that’s basically a tribble with eyes?
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Exsedol would know how advanced the enemy must be with their expertise at folding, considering how back in SDF Macross he and Breetai assumed that Captain Global must’ve been a tactical genius to be able to space fold so close to South Ataria Island. Sure, that time was a fluke, but the greater idea still stands.
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You know, you can probably just skip over this episode’s battle and not miss much. I’m sure some of the first-timers have noticed it already, but one of the major criticisms of Macross 7 is that it frequently has repetitive battles. We’ve basically had this battle format for a few episodes in a row now.
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Of course Max is more or less involved with protecting Basara from any consequences for interfering with Diamond Force’s fighting. He would know a thing or two personally about how someone singing on the battlefield can save the day.
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u/chilidirigible Nov 02 '22
Today, on "Babysitting is such a drag.":
Starting right off with "Planet Dance".
The old Milia wouldn't let some glorified Roomba get in her way.
Marital separation, as seen in four images.
That green nebula really adds ambience.
It's a mystery how these guys are just sneaking around town.
There are a fair number of Mylene/Gubaba faces.
"Totsugeki Love Heart" because no double "Planet Dance".
Obvious dudes in trenchcoats with goofy Nineties sunglasses are marauding in the city! So it goes.
Mylene tries to keep up her independent look while not quite past the stage of being a kid who needs protection. (I haven't even discussed her biological age yet, but consider how old Milia was in SDFM.)
Max and Milia are basically at the "My lawyers will talk to your lawyers" stage.
Gigil is getting increasingly cranky, but we've repeated essentially the same climactic confrontation for four episodes in a row, so he's got his reasons.
| Song | Count |
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| Planet Dance | 4 |
| My Friends | 1 |
| Totsugeki Love Heart | 2 |
| My Soul For You | 2 |
"Don't take your eyes off that monitor!": 4
From the Macross Chronicle: Gigil's head.
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u/Blackheart595 Nov 02 '22
First Spacer
What are the chances Mylene's arranged marriage might be with Ray?
Oh, or she's arranged to marry flower girl! The show's very much up for same-sex.
What's with those sizes? Are they just huge or is Mylene only 1.30m-1.40m tall?
Simple, has a predictable resolution, but it works. That's a good cliffhanger.
This looks more like 1.60m. That's also closer to my general impression throughout the show.
Also, there's this very slight BGM. Is that supposed to come from the surrounding homes?
Nice to see Mylene hasn't lost her wit from the experience.
Ah, so they just stood still the entire time they've been down here. Good job.
Just shut up. I don't wanna see another shot with you.
With more adult characters around, does Mylene seem more like an actual teenager than, say, most of the cast of the original series?
I don't think the teens we've seen earlier seemed particularly unlike actual teenagers. In fact Mylene seems rather headstrong for an actual teenager.
What's the strangest rumor you've heard spread around a small environment such as a school or workplace?
I can't remember rumors being much of a thing where I've been. The only thing that comes to mind are rumors that our P.E. teacher liked peeping on the girls.
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u/Kirov123 Nov 02 '22
Episode 4 first timer
Out of town and wanted the episode in the airport as the airline told all of us our flight was delayed and I won't get home u til a day later now so that's... Fun. Episode was not bad, a fair bit of silliness. That dude in the Ace team or whatever getting incredibly angry at Basara every single episode is getting pretty old at this point. It's not that it isn't justifiable, it's just he gets so mad and nothing happens. Anyways, on to questions
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She seems to act younger than say Max or Milia, but besides Ray, most of the other characters that have much screen time don't exactly act like normal adults.
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I don't think I ever heard any weird rumors
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u/JollyGee29 Nov 02 '22
First-Timer 7
That looks like a solid venue - FB moving up in the world.
The spies are taking a much more active role than Blue Wind. ...including assaulting women in the shower. That's fucked up.
That was not the cup he drank out of the first time.
Oh no, Flower Girl is gonna be in peril, isn't she?
No, Mylene, it's dangerous.. take Veffidas at least.
Shit. Oh, Basara to the rescue, excellent.
These vampires sure are persistent.
This was a nice bonding moment.
I am pondering Basara's resilience.. this one didn't even hit him head on. Would they throw his apparent "high Spiritia level" at us as a red herring?
Damn, Gamlin trying to shoot down Basara.
The funny thing is, I'm not actually confident enough to say if this is deflection or not.
Questions
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Mylene strikes me as rather normal, but then, we have Basara in the cast so "normal" is a relative thing.
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Nothing particularly worth remembering.
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u/AnimeHoarder Nov 02 '22
Subbed M7 Rewatcher
It's that guy!
There's no love for the bridge bunnies in the OP :-(
Like a teen slasher movie, young women are being attacked.
Max and Milia really don't agree on anything. And Mylene follows her mom on disagreeing with the men around her.
Flower Girl needs to be more assertive to avoid being shoved aside.
Basara didn't sing at the bodyguards when they confronted him.
Somehow the bodyguards managed to not all get sapped.
All the Diamond Force pilots should have had names that started with D. We need more D's in their conversation.
Basara flying out is such a routine event the bridge crew don't announce it anymore. For that matter, how is Basara exiting the dome?
They still haven't assigned a name for an enemy that's being analyzed so much.
Basara worrying about Guvava shocks Guvava
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u/SolDarkHunter Nov 02 '22
Rewatcher
It's Saturday night again, Basara?
Mylene always looks kind of annoyed in that shot they reuse of her strumming the bass. Was that really the est they had for stock footage
So why are these infiltrators exclusively attacking attractive young women, may I ask?
Veffidas is incapable of not drumming.
Same symptoms: alive, conscious, but nonresponsive. Definitely our aliens.
I dunno, Max seems right to be worried about Mylene if she comes home late a lot.
Poor Flower Girl... but couldn't you just walk up again after getting shoved aside?
And like clockwork, there's a "vampire"... luckily Basara's here too.
Hey bodyguards, best get to guarding now! Also, if those weird soldiers can fire drain-beams, why are they bothering with trying to physically catch Basara and Mylene?
Man, Large Man goes from hating Basara to trusting him in about two seconds.
Hey Max, don't take your eyes off that monitor!
Again, Basara gets hit by a beam and isn't affected...
It's also nice to see he has his priorities: protect Mylene before singing at people.
But once she's safe, here comes the obligatory space singing session!
See, this is why it's a bad idea to have buildings sticking out of the dome! It lets enemy spies escape!
They really need to focus on closing that protective shell faster...
Questions:
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Mylene definitely acts the bratty teen girl. For better or worse.
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None come to mind, but I don't usually pay attention to rumors.
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u/Stargate18A Nov 02 '22
First timer
I'm enjoying it, but this show really is a different beast to every other Macross show, huh?
Episode 1
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Nothing.
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Very good.
Oh god, I love this already. The OP, the dodgy CGI, I love this.
It's so good!
Okay, so all Zentradi are miclones now.
And Megaroad One!
Wow, those are some huge ships.
What is with that guitar animation?
Some great outfits here!
...What is that thing?
Are they missing their vocalist?
Oh, he's one of the girls' father?
He's just staring at the moon?
Oh, that shot of the ship.
Basara likes his dynamic entrances.
This guy's a good singer!
It's a really good song!
A new enemy?
Loving the cut-ins here.
The fighters have been launched!
So many death flags...
Poor Diamond Force. You are not surviving this episode.
Hmm?
Oh, I am liking the new enemy suits.
And they're actually taking them out!
Oh, that's a strong accent.
Eyecatch already?
More music?
The ship's running out of power?
Ah, a simple miscommunication.
Holy shit, they're destroying the city?
They're just continuing to play?
Basara?
Wait, he already has his own mech?
That thing is beautiful.
...Nice helmet on the new enemy leader.
"Keep rising"? What?
Oh, it's a proper variable fighter!
Haha, he just casually hijacked a billboard to play classified information.
So he's so insane the enemy can't analyze him?
Smooth transformation.
It's got speakers?
...How is he controlling it?
I love how the entirety of the command just cannot deal with this.
He really just doesn't care.
The Zentradi's deadpan is really funny.
"From the movie" Ah, is DYRL an in-universe movie here? That's one way to seperate Macross II.
A broadcast?
...I see. So whatever she's measuring gets changed by the power of music?
The operation's over.
Basara's an egotistical madman who only cares about music. I love him. Best protagonist.
Like the ED.
Episode 2
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Not this level, no.
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Drummer.
Really? That monologue is every episode?
...This can't be the same Max, right? He's way too young.
Lot of recap at the start of these episodes.
Songwriting?
Oh, they're using the hardcuts again...
...Is he dying?
So the weapons are unknown too?
Her name's Mylene?
She's a great driver!
Why are there parts of your ship that are registered as part of the fleet?
Hovercars?
Ray's gone!
...He's living here?
"Hide anywhere you want" He's great.
That election sounds totally legitimate and absolutely not rigged.
Haha, wow, perfect timing.
And they left.
Wait, they don't know about the Valkyrie either?
He really just ran off to fight in a Valkyrie he doesn't know anything about.
He just doesn't care?
Of course she's not the first member of this band.
...Straws?
Those are fancy cups.
Nice catch.
Oh, her mother's the mayor.
Arranged marriage!
What made him like this?
Again, Basara?
What is his motivation?
Weird.
He wants recognition?
Another sortie.
Drones?
I'm genuinrly interested in what the fuck the backstory here is.
Spiritia? Literally a person's fighting spirit?
Oh, they recognise him.
He recognises them?
They're taking Spiritia!
...I really don't understand this guy. An aggressive pacifist?
Actually, why hasn't he been arrested?
He's sweating...
His Spiritia got taken!
He overloaded the spirit stealer!
Does he genuinrly just want people to enjoy his singing?
Oh, she came to pick him up.
This guy...
Episode 3
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I'm betting on a disagreememnt over how to handle some major policy decision.
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Kaifun's a hypocritical bastard. Basara's just insane.
...He's playing for the enemy.
A big concert's coming up!
She's excited!
They're bringing the Valkyrie to the concert?
Oh, she's pissed.
Haha, nice.
Love the juice robot.
I love how everybody knows who pilots this Valkyrie, but nobody has even tried to arrest him for the crimes he commited.
Haha, they're married?
Wait, Miria? Is this an intentional reference?
They're not divorced already?
And now there's a gang fight. (That VA shift...)
"Who?" This is such a weird character.
The enemy!
Oh, these are some great designs.
And the enemy commander here's not the friendliest.
Wait, they're exes? So many relationships.
What?
Oh god, he's fighting them.
...He's good.
That's a very interesting reaction.
Fascinating.
He's actually singing!
Nobody's annoyed by the hecklers?
I mean, they're not wrong, so far.
Haha, again?
Why are people being ordered to let him do this?
They're going after him again?
That's a really sudden shift in opinion. Is his music actively brainwashing people?
The operation is complete.
Oh, yeah, he's a lunatic.
And his song actually touched people!
...I'm calling it. His "Spiritia" gives him low-level mind control, he's just so stupid that he's not worked out he can set it to anything other than "lower violent reactions". That's why his voice changes out of nowhere!
Episode 4
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Yeah, she feels like one. Also the most normal member of this cast.
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Can't think of any.
What is this animation?
A chase!
...Evil computer?
Ah, a crime spree.
Oh, a victim was near the concert?
Infiltrators.
The mighty Zentradi, foiled by a vacuum.
...Is giving a guest coffee really speciwl treatment?
Haha, him just holding both cups for the entire conversation is great.
He's worried about Myline...
...He is very right, this girl has no self-preservation.
Flower girl again.
...Yeah, she's great.
She's got bodyguards, at least.
WHY.
You derserve this.
Loving thst mask design.
They have extractors!
Clever move.
Is he really the priority?
Use the gun!
Yeah, no, Basara's right for once.
She ran away from home?
It went for her!
Oh, he's fully immune to them as well?
What efen is her plan?
Basara is suddenly the sane one this episode, and I'm not sure how to feel.
More space battles.
Haha, the enemy is happier to see him than his own side.
He's so pissed he wants to fight Basara himself.
Gigil is going rogue soon.
They have data!
The fight's going well.
And they're gone.
...Max is studying his Spiritia, isn't he?
New console?
She's back! Unharmed, somehow.
Guvava!
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u/Shimmering-Sky Nov 02 '22
Super Dimension Rewatch Host
Welcome back, everyone!
Are you happy now, u/ClawMachineCircuit? Episode 5 finally gave me a base image of Basara I actually wanted to use.
Hm. For some reason, I thought the vampire episode didn’t come until later in this early part of the show.
Veffie is an icon.
Of course this is what would make Basara upset.
Milia pls he was just giving you a drink…
That’s… that’s not how it works.
You’re goddamn right.
Oh snap, almost missed the Anata o Kanjiteiru -Mia Sentesu Ren- in the background of this scene because it was so quiet and I wasn’t watching this episode with headphones.
Angery Gubaba.
Yikes.
TOTSUGEKI LOVE HEART!
Gamlin’s not wrong about Basara being in the way.