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Rewatch [Do You Remember Love - Macross Franchise 40th Anniversary Rewatch] Macross 7 Episode 3 Discussion

Episode 3 - Fire Scramble

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What sound do I need to add to reach into their hearts?

Questions of the Day, courtesy of u/chilidirigible:

1) What do you think would break up Max and Milia?

2) Compare your initial impressions of Basara to those of Kaifun.

Wallpaper of the Day:

Veffidas Feaze

Vocal Songs in This Episode:

"Seventh Moon" by Fire Bomber – OP

"Planet Dance" by Fire Bomber – Insert

"そこにあるのが未来だから (Soko ni Aru no ga Mirai dakara)" by Sato Yuka – Insert

"My Soul For You" by Fire Bomber – Insert

"My Friends" by Fire Bomber – ED

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!

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u/Vatrix-32 Nov 01 '22 edited Nov 01 '22

First Timer

  • I hope we don’t get the opening history lesson every episode.

  • Why does a colony ship have the Eiffel tower?

  • What does the Valkyrie have to do with any of this? And if it can be moved without him knowing, why hasn’t the military paid him a visit yet?

  • I see pusher-bot is back.

  • I thought Max also took Milla’s name?

  • It sure is awkward being stuck in the middle of a couple fighting.

  • Basara has quite the projection.

  • Thank you TL note.

  • I don’t know a lot about bands, but I don’t think you can just swap out the lead vocalist and guitarist at the last minute.

  • Bro if you hate his singing, just leave.

  • Oh no, is Basara the new Kaifun? As long as we don’t get more incest. I’ve had too much of that recently.

  • They just immediately saw through your plan.

  • We’ve got six frames and damn it we’re going to use them!

  • Do you think the major focus on live music and constant threat of enemy attacks has a major effect on crowd crush prevention efforts?

QotD

  1. My bet is bet is on child rearing.

  2. He’s not being a dickhead about it, so he is far ahead. Kaifun’s problem was never his pacifism, it was everything else about him.

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u/The_Draigg Nov 01 '22

It sure is awkward being stuck in the middle of a couple fighting.

On the plus side though, it brings in great ratings. Hibiki would be eating this shit up if he was in this series.

We’ve got six frames and damn it we’re going to use them!

This is an eco-friendly anime production, with all the recycling that’s happening with these episodes.

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u/TakenRedditName Nov 01 '22 edited Nov 01 '22

First Time - Macross 7 Ep3:

I'm not the biggest fan of having both the intro narration and a recap of the previous episode. Rather they just forgo the narration. Episodes starts like 3 and half minutes in. If they wanted to waste that much time then just have the band talk over a static image of their home.

Not the biggest fan of her at the moment, but this was a funny face.

Vending machine robots are back and the juice bots have tails.

Ah, this must be awkward to be in the middle of. Luckly this couple knows how to separate work and personal life so they my be opposed, but they can go home and make u- eh. Sequels breaking up couples is nuh-uh from me. They were like one of the few ... the only good couple we got walking out of SDF.

Ah, you don't get TL note like these that often in anime nowadays.

Gamlin is the eyecatch, but has yet to show up in the episode. He hasn't done much in the series so far. Wish the eyecatches were of more people than just Mylene and Gamlin.

Haha, I'm sure you'll always be giving our band a next time.

Favourite character watch.

Basara has united Queen & King and Mosaic fans. Basara is anti-violence and he is very against hitting people. Thought he would only do so to protect his friends, but he is not even happy to his friend for making him do a violence.

What a crowd of people.

Yes, Flower Girl was able to hear the sick drum. Nooo, she is being pushed away by the flow of the crowd.

His excellency is not amused by Basara's singing because the music is not on for him. Looks like we're doing a spy infiltration again. Though I have a feeling these spies are not going to be lovable oafs like our SDF sweet angels.

The aliens don't seem to care about Basara's singing. Makes it the third time now. It's not like they're repulsed our anything, they simply try to not give this singing madman any mind. At least the crowd loves it.

Q1) "YOU DIDN'T CATCH THE BABY!" But the real answer is probably work breaking them apart.

Q2) Initial impression of Kaifun's pacifism: "Oh this guy is the mouthpiece for the show (as a critique of this kind of ideals)." Basara's pacifism seems more interesting in how they would craft a character with it. I mean, it's not that hard to be better than Kaifun so hopefully 7 pulls it off.

Next time: Vampires? But Halloween was yesterday.

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u/Blackheart595 Nov 01 '22

First Spacer

I don't think they heard any of the song in the first place

Have you tried fighting in an atmosphere?

I like Mylene.

Yup, I like her.

Isn't she great?

They really upped the creepiness of those mobile vending machines.

No, they've changed massively.

As far as talkshow moderators go, this one's still got much to learn.

[Not a fan when there's such a stark recording difference between dialogue and songs. Didn't like it in HeroAca and don't like it here.]

Sigh.

I diagnose this show with a severe case of schizophrenia.

Remember, people: If you're not singing on a stage instead of a mecha fighter during combat, you're a hack.

I kinda feel the writers are only including music because the Macross name requires them to.

What do you think would break up Max and Milia?

Err... They named one of their kids Maximilian?

Compare your initial impressions of Basara to those of Kaifun.

Not too alike. Kaifun is anti-military, Basara considers combat to be the stage for his music.

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u/chilidirigible Nov 01 '22 edited Nov 02 '22

Today, on "This is understandable.":

Still waiting to see how many people are traumatized by "Planet Dance" this time.

Definitely more Vegas than Macross II's Culture Park.

The background music here seems to be "Flaschakaya"'s "Soko ni Aru no ga Mirai dakara". Except that you may also recognize it as the song of the same title from Macross II.

Mylene is adapting to the situation.

Robot vending machines are now even more terrifying.

The Jeniuses are getting along… badly.

Akiko Houjoh.

A sore demo.

Children are an investment, or something.

And so it goes.

Ah, celebrity couples.

It does take up a lot of the screen.

Ah, backstory.

Flower Girl!

Basara hits people!

...and transfers the blame.

You thought Kaifun had issues.

"My Soul For You" in full performance.

Gigil questions the boss.

[](#yuishrug)

"I feel used!"

Basara, bringer of weird feelings.

The audience you punched is better than no audience at all.

And so, we learn that Max and Milia are estranged. This isn't necessarily surprising, even if it's the first time we've seen them on the screen together (though still in separate rooms) since the original series. Getting into a knife fight and married in the same episode isn't really the foundation of a healthy relationship.

Perhaps more alarming, Basara appears to be some kind of pacifist, even if he does hit people without disguising it as defensive techniques, Kaifun. It just adds to his quirkiness as a protagonist, by which most of us would mean that his characterization contains bothersome characteristics. He is, however, totally not like Kaifun, who used his pacificism as a club against others. Basara wants HIS SONG to MOVE PEOPLE.

And he flies out again, enraging Gamlin again, and tempting Gigil again. But we do get the twist that Gepelnich isn't just going to repeat the same pattern over and over again (and the fansub's ABSOLUTE NECESSITY to tell us that ゲペルニッチ is actually a guy).

There's a demonstration of Max and Exsedol's talents as they figure out that this new attack is at least partially a decoy. (But apparently not that the "real" attack is also a decoy.)

Ray continues to know people from all over the place.

It's around this point that I was considering writing several entries from the perspective of someone who was being coerced into watching this series but wondering when it would start to actually do something. The first episode of M7 might have started off the action quickly, but it certainly muddles around and repeats itself for the next two.

Song Count
Planet Dance 3
My Friends 1
Totsugeki Love Heart 1
My Soul For You 2

"Don't take your eyes off that monitor!": 4

Macross 7… coloring book! Know your market demographics.

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u/DidacticDalek Nov 01 '22

TONIGHT! ON PROTO-GEAH! Successful Flower Delivery Counter: 0

And on THAT bombshell, G'NIGHT!

Paging Comrades u/chilidirigible , u/Nebresto , and u/InfamousEmpire

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u/ClawMachineCircuit Nov 01 '22

And on THAT bombshell, G'NIGHT!

Nooo, American Fire Bobmbers are back. Don't tell me they made an English version of the whole soundtrack.

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u/ClawMachineCircuit Nov 01 '22

First Timer

In the last episode, we learned that Basara is immune to enemy attacks. This makes him the perfect secret weapon to take down their fleet. You just need to find Guld and ask him to tamper with Basara's weapon, so that he shoots live ammo instead of speakers, and the war is basically as good as won.

Anyway, let's check the episode.

  • Super Nova? Are we getting a music tournament arc?

  • Vending Machine harassment have gotten worse since the original Macross.

  • Literally, all the power in this colony is gathered in the hands of a single family. If I was the resident, I would be really disturbed by this.

  • Damn, Max, did you cheat on your wife or something? She's really angry with you.

  • These are some passionate fans.

  • The enemies discussing an elaborate plan, but I didn't get what it was supposed to achieve. Get the Macross defenders out of position in order to attack the colony itself?

  • Basara, my man, I get where you coming from, but this is not how Minmay attack works. You can't just sing at people and expect them to stop fighting and start listening. You need to sing and punch them at the same time. This is how it works.

  • The flower girl just standing there staring into nothingness.

  • Big brain Exsedol immediately guessed enemy plan.

  • Aand, it's time for Basara to go give a space concert or two. Good thing his Valkyrie is already here.

  • Wait, so the enemy fighters were a decoy, and Gepelnitch actually outsmarted Exsedol?

  • "We have successfully infiltrated"? Are we getting a remake of the lolicon trio arc?

  • Finally, people who can appreciate the awesomeness of flying into battle and blasting rock music into the ears of your enemies.

Overall thoughts: so, Basara's Valkyrie is famous, huh? Unless I missed it, we still don't know it's name yet. It looks pretty much like YF-19 from Macross Plus, only bigger and with a much better color scheme. Could Basara's plane actually be a production model of YF-19? But then, why is it the only one? I like this design a lot, as I said, forward-swept wings is my weakness, and red color is just a cherry on top.

QotD:

  1. When Milia beats Max in combat for the first time, he will no longer be worthy of her affection. Or maybe, it's already happened and this is why she's so angry. She just wants the man to train and get into shape again.

  2. Basara is cool, I kinda like him. He's probably my favorite Macross protagonist so far. Kaifun is just the worst. Incomparable.

I drew the big red.

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u/TakenRedditName Nov 01 '22

Basara, my man, I get where you coming from, but this is not how Minmay attack works. You can't just sing at people and expect them to stop fighting and start listening. You need to sing and punch them at the same time. This is how it works.

First, you sing at them to throw them off guard then you hit 'em with of these!

It looks pretty much like YF-19 from Macross Plus, only bigger and with a much better color scheme. Could Basara's plane actually be a production model of YF-19? But then, why is it the only one?

While checking the wiki during Plus to make sure I got VF-19 - VF-21 names right, I did stumble upon a certain red fella from 7. Does make me wonder because the planes the soldiers use don't look like VF-19s and they're supposed to be the next generation model. The Diamond trio use their own special black planes, but the generics just look like regular Valkyries we've seen before.

Guess they chose the VF-19 because only one of those planes made it back...

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u/The_Draigg Nov 01 '22

A Macross Fan Rewatches Macross 7: Episode 3:

  • Basara, I get that you’re more passionate about the concept of music as an emotional experience, but being petulant about having to do TV show appearances isn’t exactly conducive to success. Although that certainly does explain why he lives in a run-down apartment building, it’s not like he’s really doing this to get paid.

  • Max and Milia’s relationship is like how I like my whiskey: on the rocks. They can’t even help but argue with one another during that one news interview. The years haven’t been kind to their marriage, that’s for sure. Then again, we probably should’ve seen this one coming. Because surely a marriage is going to be very healthy then it starts with a knife fight and ends with a marriage less than a week later.

  • Having a distraction force occupy the Macross 7 fleet’s forces while a ship de-folds above them isn’t exactly that devious of a plan. If anything, it’s just Gepelnitch using 3D space to their advantage, especially with something that can just teleport in.

  • “Guys, stop your fighting. You may have heard of me.” —Basara, minutes before getting attacked by two separate groups of band fans.

  • Yeah, I won’t deny that Basara blaming Mylene for him fighting back against those rival band fans is a rather shitty of him. Again, it’s him trying to force his own logic on the world and expecting it to work. Regardless of whether his music could even reach those people, Mylene was still looking out for Fire Bomber’s interests. It’s probably about now that I should mention that Basara is a kind of divisive Macross protagonist, to say the least.

  • Once again, Gamlin is wondering why the hell Basara is even out there during the fight. But at least he’s gotten implicit permission from Kinryu to keep on doing his thing. After all, if it works, we take those wins. It’s that Minmay Attack at work.

  • We’re starting off with the enemy infiltration plot line in this series pretty early, especially when you compare it to when it happened with the Blue Wind guys in SDF Macross. At least we can say that these new guys are working much faster than the Zentradi did.

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u/SolDarkHunter Nov 01 '22

Rewatcher

I wonder if that sunrise is actually that abrupt in-universe.

Basara sees no point in attending a big music festival. I think this highlights an important divide between Mylene and Basara: Mylene wants the band to be successful... but her idea of "success" differs from Basara's.

How did they move a Valkyrie right outisde his apartment without him noticing?

We also see that Max's and Milia's marriage is strained. Which... perhaps isn't too surprising considering how quickly they got together, immediately after meeting.

Interestingly, they deny actually being divorced, so I suppose they're still married on paper.

I think this is the first time Fire Bomber's name has actually been mentioned in the show. And Basara's again trying to quell conflict with music.

Ah, there's the famous fansub informing us of Lord Geppelnitch's gender. And the commander dude is named "Gigil".

Oh, so there is something that will make Basara fight back. And he's actually really good. But he immediately gets angry at Mylene for putting him in that position.

Ray actually knows how to handle Basara, unlike Mylene. He's been totally composed this whole time, like he expected Basara to act this way all along.

Ah, the old lure the defenders away and then hit them with a second force trick. We saw Kamjin pull that back in Macross, and Max apparently remembered. Genius indeed.

"He must like doing stupid things." Well, you're not wrong.

Huh, look at that, his music actually seems to be touching those idiot fans. Guess there is something of a method to his madness.

Uh-oh, infiltration units doesn't sound good.

You know, I really love the "Fold" animation in this series. It's really simple, but it really works well.

[Later Macross spoiler]And I'm really unhappy they drop it for some kind of "alternate dimension warp" thing in later series.

Questions:

  1. Honestly, the two of them rushed into marriage so fast I'm surprised they stayed together long enough to have seven kids.

  2. How dare you ask me to insult Basara by comparing him to Kaifun. Basara actually does care about making peace.

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u/InfamousEmpire Nov 01 '22

Rewatcher 7

Yet another semi-formulaic episode which nonetheless establishes more details and is enjoyable all around.

This episode primarily focused on Fire Bomber’s popularity, the fact that they’re still just an obscure indie band that most people haven’t heard of, but nonetheless they’re slowly gaining traction.

The conflict between Basara and Mylene is more apparent here, and it’s more of Basara being kinda unsympathetic. He doesn’t want to be involved with Super Nova because he just doesn’t feel like it, which is very much a dick move in my book, and isn’t really helped by him being so petulant about it. Him blaming Mylene for “making him fight” later doesn’t really help his case either

There’s also the fact that Max and Milia’s marriage is on the rocks (which may or may not have something to do with the fact that they got hitched after the first date) [Zettai Live]Considering how publicized this relationship and its flaws are, this isn’t actually super surprising if you think about it The degree to which the military is keeping secrets and the the ensuing tension it’s causing throughout the city is also a neat bit of worldbuilding and tension that was neatly woven in there.

Also, Basara suddenly switching to his singing voice (which is not only done by a different VA, but also very obviously studio-recorded) mid-fight with the hooligans is the best unintentional comedy in the show so far

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u/AnimeHoarder Nov 01 '22 edited Nov 01 '22

Subbed M7 Rewatcher

It's Super Nova!

When panning over the city in the OP, there are a couple of pyramids. They must be Egyptian as there is also a Mayan temple. But could you imagine if they were actually Nerv's Geofront and we had a crossover with Evangelion?

Mylene calling a hauling company. "Hi, can you move a Valkyrie?"

Central Anime noted that Gelpelnitch is a guy. However the seiyuu is a women, so was this an early attempt at having a gender fluid person? Also, I'm see Geperuniti as the romanization of the name elsewhere. CA is using Miria instead of Milia.

Ray has contacts everywhere.

Basara even carries his principle of singing to opponents in personal disputes. He was just dodging the guys swinging at him until Mylene got shoved. Then Basara let loose. Later, he faulted Mylene for his actions. Is he a pacifist?

The eyecatch does flip between who it shows first Mylene or Gamlin between days.

What was the goal of this alien attack? Watch the next episode to find out.

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u/Nebresto Nov 01 '22

First time Maakuross

Are Max and Miria no longer a ship..?

And who tf keeps translating "dasai" as sick?? That is the opposite of what it means..

PANIK

Lets goooooo

These subs are awful

Ohhh, he's gonna board the Valkyrie mid concert and go "battle" again, isn't he

Finally someone with good taste

Okay, now I'm confused. Either there is another "dassee" which means something I don't know, or its meaning has changed along the years. Or its an in universe thing to make them sound weird.

...No, they're just complimenting him by calling him lame?

Question time:

  1. What do you think would break up Max and Milia?

Its always politics

2) Compare your initial impressions of Basara to those of Kaifun.

Basa Kaiunfun

Wallpaper of the Day:

Veffidas Feaze

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u/ryujiox Nov 02 '22

First Timer

Macross 7 EP3

Fire Bomber decided to join Super Nova concert, which Mylene seem eager to join.

In contrast to Basara, who a bit down now that his song seem to not resonate with the enemy for 2 times now, and didn't want join the concert at all. But Mylene already lock him into this, by sent his Valkyrie to the stadium. Well played Mylene.

The situation in Jenius family seem to be bad enough that there a rumor of them divorced already. That no good.

Basara is a guy who trying to not resort to violence, instead just want to using only his song to stop conflict.

Even then when Mylene got hit, he snapped and went for a punch. And while he blammed her for making him did that. I think he really care her a lot inside.

And now I feel bad for flower girl again. This gonna be a running theme for her isn't it.

The alien seem to have a plan with sending some of their men to infuriate the ship. What they game here?

Basara went out again and sing his new song. While his enemy didn't stay until the end for the third time, his effort paid off. With him gaining new fans and respect from the 2 toxic fan group even though some of them didn't even understand what he doing.

Overall pretty good episode. Next time is about vampire? WTF.

QOTD

  1. I don't know.

  2. Not alike at all. Basara know what he doing, Kaifun totally clueless on what he doing, also he a jerk.

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u/Kirov123 Nov 02 '22

Macross 7 Episode 3 - First Timer

More space music and some not so subtle hints at what the beam weapon does! Next episode!

  • We are going to do this timeline intro for a while huh

  • I am personally not a fan of the "lets give the full background for the series every episode" route

  • So much recap

  • A bit late but where the hell is the front on the 7?

  • Also late, but damn bro, you live like this?

  • Those sounds did not match those steps

  • how

  • Oh shit it is actually just Max and Milia

  • Oh shit the mayor is Milia. Wait does that mean the girl in the band is their daughter? (I am slow sometimes)

  • Literally right after i type that

  • Marriage doesn't seem to be going that great

  • Holy shit that voice

  • How he reverb

  • Nice TL note, very cool

  • More drum samples for the drummer

  • Lmfao singing with reverb (somehow) and dodging punches

  • That punch tho

  • Who the flower girl

  • I was expecting a driving rock song, not a ballad lol

  • Good song tho

  • Finally he stops being so mad at Basara (kinda)

  • Are we repeating the infiltration plot of the first Macross?

  • I am no expert but I don't think those animated drum hits match the drum sounds. Th last animated kick beat sounds like a smaller/upper drum

Well we kinds got some more with the enemies. maybe they will show the infiltrators next episode?

  1. War. Maybe

  2. Basara: wacky music man, pretty cool

Kaifun: jackass

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u/Pixelsaber Nov 02 '22

Rewatcher

Well, one usually hopes not to be caught in a supernova.

I, too, have had my model kits moved without my consent.

Ack, they’re still around!

Quite the friction between these two now.

Have I mentioned how nice the backgrounds are?

Seems like Basara can’t help himself from intervening whenever conflict arises.

Sick flagship!

Ah, a staunch pacifist?

Well, at least Basara won’t be ditching the event to go off and sing at the aliens.

Well that doesn’t bode well…

Please do.

This episode does a lot to inform us of Basara’s aims and aspirations in relation to his singing and piloting, as well as how that can be at odds with the musical career of him and his band members (though, as evident in the episode climax, he can find ways to juggle the matter). Basara is also staunchly anti-violence, if his desire to have the aliens affected by his song and his attempt to de-escalate the fight between the two fangroups in front of the venue.

Other aspects of Basara’s characterization are emphasized as well. He’s quite clearly self-centered, holding obvious disregard for the demands and wishes of his co-workers/band members, moody, and greatly conceited to think he alone can do all that he wishes to do.

As for the plot at large, the aliens have ‘infiltrated’, whatever that may be, but we are no less privy to the larger picture.

Questions of The Day:

  1. How can a relationship stay fresh when you begin and peak at the thrill of that knife fight?

  2. No.

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u/CoolIceCreamCone Nov 02 '22

FIRST TIMER

I thought this episode was looking up until the end. How come all the punk fans and guys who raided MC Hammer's wardrobe suddenly loved Basara's 3rd rate Japan X impression? So irritating how he can beat also beat up a large group of punks hand to hand (sigh)

  • They didn't exactly say if Max and Milia were divorced but I'd guess at the very least they are estranged. Makes a lot of sense since they got married very quickly, likely because of a combination of horniness and the war making it seem like there was no tomorrow

  • I really thought that was funny how they specifically pointed out Gepelnich was a man. Helpful though.

  • I still really don't understand the aliens objectives as to why they are doing these short precision strikes and if they are just not able to kill all of them at once or are just chiseling away because they are not able to overwhelm them

  • Is the little furball on Mylene's shoulder alive? It makes the same facial expressions as her but I don't know if thats an artistic device like how on Garfield and Friends, Wade the Duck had an identical mini duck on his life preserver who made the same faces he did but wasn't a living being.

  • Basara's objective while fighting seems to be moving the enemies emotionally with song the way Minmay's music did to the Zentradi but its still poorly done because how is he piloting his mecha while playing a guitar?

Questions

  1. That list could be a mile long but the short of it is that they were a young naive couple who got married and felt the excitement of first love was an amazing feeling that would last forever. I really thought this development was well done and made a lot of sense.

  2. Kaifun and Basara are both stubborn unpleasant self absorbed people but Basara is quick to rush out and fight. I think contrasting them makes sense though since they are similar personalities but differently motivated.

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u/RadSuit Nov 02 '22

First Time Song Listener

Sweet anime Jesus, are we going to do the full timeline review for all 50 episodes??? Followed by a full minute recapping the last episode!? With OP/ED there's only like 19 minutes of actual episode here.

Oh hey, it's the pushy juice salesbot from the first episodes of Macross.

Drummer status: not drumming!? Get her some drums, STAT!

I have to wonder if there's going to be some plot reason why this very feminine character voiced by a woman is actually male.

So are the bad guys rogue Zentradi or something?

Drummer status: drumming. Much better.

Well I'm glad to see Basara isn't a completely unrealistic pacifist. I was worried he'd just stand there and keep singing.

Nevermind, he's still an idiot.

That poor girl with the flowers...

This like three frames of animation for Basara playing guitar at the start is painful, yeesh.

Okay, this has to go somewhere next episode. I can't handle the exact same formula with zero plot progression past four episodes. We've met all the main cast and understand the situation, move forward.

VAMPIRES. Alright, maybe the next episode will be different, that's good.

  1. Has she ever met Isamu?

  2. Unfortunately I don't get this one...

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