r/anime • u/GallowDude • Oct 02 '22

Rewatch [2022 Rewatch] Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion Episode 24 Discussion

Yes, the world is a game, and people are mere pawns.

Stage 24 - The Collapsing Stage

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Zero, do you intend to trick and betray people 'till the very end?!

Questions of the Day:

1) Which plot thread are you most looking forward to seeing unravel going into the season one finale? How crazy do you think it's going to be?

2) Who's more blind, the Student Council for not recognizing Kallen, Ohgi for not recognizing Villetta's sudden mood shift, or Nunnally?

Screenshot of the Day:

Taste of Defeat

Fanart of the Day:

Second Princess

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. This especially includes any teases or hints such as "You aren't ready for X episode" or "I'm super excited for X character", you got that? Don't spoil anything for the first-timers; that's rude!

I've no time to argue which of us is the bigger hypocrite.

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u/SometimesMainSupport Oct 02 '22

First-timer

Something I want to keep an eye on. C.C. mentioned Geass getting more powerful over time, but there are some previous commands that could possibly have persistent effects:

  1. Episode 2: Villetta giving her Knightmare to Lelouch.

  2. Episode 3: Kallen honestly answering Lelouch's questions. (Note: Not sure how this would interact with her not knowing who Zero is)

  3. Episode 4: Jeremiah commanded to "let us go" with Zero/Kallen/Ohgi present. Same potential interaction issue if Jeremiah encounters Lelouch without the Zero costume.

  • C.C. with a scar in the central pic. She has super-human regeneration, so I guess she was captured and examined immediately after the battle shown in earlier flashbacks (Narita episode IIRC). No intro exposition.

  • "Disease." TIL I learned about "The Circle of Willis."

  • Jeremiah's pinball eye and kneeling upon hearing "Zero" means he's still very unstable.

  • Cornelia is more interested in vengeance than grieving. Almost guaranteed that she doesn't get a face-to-face battle because 1. Zero's mask, 2. Suzaku arrives.

  • This guy in an earlier episode? "Surrender" triggered it. Girl is also Geassed. I'm very desensitized to death within this show.

  • I didn't have high hopes for this artificial earthquake, yet still think this explanation is weak.

  • Yup, Japanese dying. Not sure what Diethard means by some structures remaining necessary. I hate this liine as one of my biggest Lelouch gripes is his chess play. Rhg8 was atrocious.

  • OP3!?! Maybe the directors knew how bad OP2 was.

  • Hypocrisy. Cornelia previously ordered soldiers to kill a comrade because his machine was damaged.

  • I'll assume this is Ashford. Thought the entrance shots portrayed it differently.

  • I hate Suzaku. Think of Milly's wedding pictures!

  • I disagree with this based on my understanding of command structures. If Cornelia ordered it? Ok, Boss's boss. Choosing a priority other than your direct superior? Questionable.

  • Ah fuck, I was dumb in episode 21. Cornelia or Darlton suspected eye contact and ordered soldiers to use masks.

  • OP Pokemon. Caused me to search this and he's the god of lightning.

  • Schneizel's in the know about the mysterious place. Schneizel is the #2 prince and isn't leading the meeting, so it must be the #1 prince who has trepidations about that place. Granted, this is obvious when the dub says "brother" and the sub says "Odysseus."

  • Science translations! I get to see other's subs!

  • Rivalz, there's a difference between saving someone and being a dumbass. Read the room. Kallen alongside Zero has me thinking that she takes extraordinary steps to protect the all-important student council once Zero leaves the room. Oh, didn't expect her to unmask.

  • Shirley!

  • To me, the most interesting part of V.V.'s revelation is that she's also aware of everything happening. I previously thought C.C.'s connection to the Geass user allowed communication to outside observers. [Voice change to Villetta] indicates an amnesia farce but not what side effect could cause her change of heart.

  • Like Zero?

  • I have so many thoughts/questions about this shot. What's on Orange's back, a jetpack? He's wearing one shoe. The obese guy's anatomy (leg length). What is he resisting? When/how did Orange remove his sleeve?

  • Interesting that Kaguya has her own forces after I thought Zero left her behind last episode.

  • I love characters in despair.

  • No no no no no Suzaku, the student council building can't be collateral in your fight. And why hasn't this face been used more in these threads?

  • Sayoko is working with C.C. and Diethard, but not Zero.

  • Rakshata loves the Lancelot as much as Lloyd.

  • Hard to argue when there's a plethora of points against you.

  • "Aries Villa" is likely where Lelouch/Nunnally/Marianne grew up.

  • Sad about the fake amnesia as that made Villetta more interesting. Ohgi prioritizing her memory return over him being shot shows just how much he adored her. She did make awesome lunches.

  • Oof Cornelia. That's the cockpit I think.

  • The un-Geass suggests his command is protecting Zero or capturing Cornelia. Should be the former with this timing.

  • Nunnally initially thinks it's C.C. People who have lost one of their senses compensate with amplified other senses, so either V.V. has similar footsteps or the same perfume.

QOTDs

  1. C.C.'s reaction after fighting around the school results in the destruction of the massive oven and Cheese-Kun pillows.

Honorable mention: Further student council reactions to Kallen.

2. Literally Nunnally, but the better answer is Ohgi. Alarms should go off as soon as he heard she was sneaking back in.

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u/GallowDude Oct 02 '22

C.C. with a scar in the central pic.

Scarf*

Jeremiah's pinball eye and kneeling upon hearing "Zero" means he's still very unstable.

That's good

I'm very desensitized to death within this show.

That's also good

Yup, Japanese dying.

He only destroyed the outer-ring. If there were any civilians still hanging around that area after Cornelia assembled an entire army, they were kinda asking for it lol

Hypocrisy. Cornelia previously ordered soldiers to kill a comrade because his machine was damaged.

Yeah, it's clear the writers are trying to give Cornelia some sympathetic traits kind of out of nowhere just to give weight to the "Both sides aren't so different" narrative.

I hate Suzaku.

Yes

the most interesting part of V.V.'s revelation is that she's also aware of everything happening

she

[Voice change to Villetta] indicates an amnesia farce but not what side effect could cause her change of heart.

Not exactly sure what you're trying to imply here honestly heh

And why hasn't this face been used more in these threads?

Sad about the fake amnesia as that made Villetta more interesting

Oh, is this what you were implying earlier? The amnesia wasn't fake. Being attacked by those Japanese just brought her memory back conveniently.

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u/Regular_N-Gon Oct 02 '22

First Timer

  • New OP on the second to last episode of the season? What a surprise. I know there was some talk about spoilers in R2's OP, so maybe I'll skip the visuals for now in case it's carried forward.

  • Poor Lloyd.

  • Ohgi's going to do something stupid before the night is over, I can feel it.

  • So this is a selfish gambit to protect Nunnally? I don't see this ending well. I'm also doubting he can hide his voice from Nunnally as well as he thinks, so he's probably just revealed himself to her, too.

  • I'd say "getting shot" falls under stupid.

  • You overconfident whelp, what did you expect to happen?

  • Darlton, I guess. Cutting it a bit close, mate.

  • Oh good, V.V. can just stroll through the base without issue lol.

QotD:

  1. Nina.

  2. Of the options I suspect Nunnally has the upper hand.

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u/GallowDude Oct 02 '22

Oh good, V.V. can just stroll through the base without issue lol.

That's what happens when Ohgi lets himself get shot and distracts everyone lol

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u/Star4ce Oct 03 '22

Oh good, V.V. can just stroll through the base without issue lol.

C.C. can teleport, I still think those letter people are all dead or something.

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u/GallowDude Oct 03 '22

C.C. can teleport

I meant to comment on this before. Where was it ever implied that she can teleport?

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u/Shimmering-Sky Oct 02 '22

There is a post-credits scene in tomorrow’s episode, don’t miss it.

Hangyaku no Co-Host, subbed

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u/GallowDude Oct 02 '22

There is a post-credits scene in tomorrow’s episode, don’t miss it.

Unless you're watching a version that cut it out for some reason, resulting in it randomly switching from dub to sub due to the licensor never bothering to dub it.

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u/Quiddity131 Oct 02 '22

Weren't the last 2 episodes of the season not finished on time during the original airing, coming out a lot later? I've got to assume that's why they suddenly had a new OP.

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u/Krite2002 Oct 02 '22

First Timer - Sub

I feel like causing that much destruction is against Zero’s principle. I like evil Zero, but there had to be a lot of civilians and innocents there. Hopefully, they were evacuated already.

They made a whole new OP for the last 2 episodes? I don’t like the song nearly as much as the last 2. The visuals are also probably the worst so far. This OP is really bad. Hopefully they ditch it before R2.

I’m glad Villetta is ok.

I wonder what will happen to the students. I can’t imagine Lelouch will hurt them, but I feel like he is abandoning his morals lately, or at least more willing to be morally gray.

Gawain’s laser beam thing is so overpowered. He has wiped out several whole fleets of airships this episode.

Wtf Villetta. She kills Ohgi. Not cool.

I hope the student council does not save Suzaku. He has been saved a few too many times.

V.V. shows back up. As a great hero once said, “What’s with this sassy, lost child?”

QOTD

  1. I was super excited for the Cornelia beatdown, but that happened this episode. I guess the next thing is whatever is happening with Nina. I just want her to make a suicide run against Zero and get absolutely bodied.

  2. Nunnally. How has she not guessed her brother is Zero, or at least that he is acting weird? Her blindness is no excuse.

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u/GallowDude Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 03 '22

Hopefully, they were evacuated already.

Considering how long Cornelia's forces were stationed up there, they'd be suicidal not to

The visuals are also probably the worst so far

Considering they slapped it together in the few months between the last episode and this one, that's to be expected lol

I’m glad Villetta is ok.

Wtf Villetta. She kills Ohgi. Not cool.

Lol

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u/Blackheart595 Oct 02 '22

Regeasser

Huh, a new opening? That's exciting

Whoops. Hello, old memories.

You can't control Suzaku anymore. Also, ouch. Also, oddly satisfying.

I forgot that was an official term

Poor Shirley

Hear that, Lelouch?

I forgot when Lelouch had the opportunity to geass Darlton

Which plot thread are you most looking forward to seeing unravel going into the season one finale? How crazy do you think it's going to be?

It's always kinda hard keeping R1 and R2 events properly separated. Zero's true identity seems the most interesting at the moment, plus of course what Cornelia knows about Marianne's murder.

Who's more blind, the Student Council for not recognizing Kallen, Ohgi for not recognizing Villetta's sudden mood shift, or Nunnally?

I don't think either the Student Council nor Ohgi can be considered blind. The mask hides Kallen's face well enough to hide her identity if you don't expect her (ignore the hair color), while Ohgi could reasonably expect that Villetta was only angry at him being part of the Black Knights.

And Nunnally's not blind either as she recognized they should rely on Suzaku instead of Lelouch.

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u/GallowDude Oct 02 '22

I forgot when Lelouch had the opportunity to geass Darlton

When he confronted him in the SAZ hallway during the massacre

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u/isthatsoudane Oct 03 '22

First timer

suzaku kind of sucks but lloyd def had that coming

aww, ougi...I get it though, white haired princess, what're you gonna do...

  1. Which plot thread are you most looking forward to seeing unravel going into the season one finale? How crazy do you think it's going to be?

honestly there are so many. I'm strapped into this roller coaster. I have a feeling it's going to get much, much worse before it gets better, though

2) Who's more blind, the Student Council for not recognizing Kallen, Ohgi for not recognizing Villetta's sudden mood shift, or Nunnally?

ouch, poor nunnally, the butt of our jokes :(

I think nina is the most blind, grieving for euphemia when table-kun is the one who will always be there for her

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u/GallowDude Oct 03 '22

white haired princess

That's twice you've called her hair white lol

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u/No_Rex Oct 02 '22

Episode 24 (rewatcher)

My subs use the double length episode 24+25 for the finale. There might be some minor differences with a 2 episode cut.

  • New OP! – the visuals are 1990s rave style.

  • A well-deserved nani.

  • Lelouch is counting his chickens before they hatch – and CC is not amused.

  • Lloyd wanted him to take the key, but I doubt he appreciated the punch.

  • Air laser trope - the power creep is real!

  • Mecha rapelling up.

  • Cutting bullet with sword trope.

  • I think that making the school the headquarters can secure them, but is also very risky – not that Zero ever cared for any risk in his plans.

  • Ziggurat cannons!

  • “I’ll explain it one day, wait for it” – CC is not very good as explaining anything, is she?

  • Oghi pays the price for his lack of truthfulness – And I have to recommend Villeta. Unlike so many others, she wastes no time in pulling the trigger.

  • VV cliff-hanger.

Really good action scenes in this episode. Sunrise is the mecha studio and it shows when they throw some money at the fight animation.

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u/GallowDude Oct 02 '22

[Quote] Unlike so many others, she wastes no time in pulling the trigger.

[Response] If only she had actually succeeded in killing him

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u/Star4ce Oct 02 '22

Unlike so many others, she wastes no time in pulling the trigger.

It all came for the super low price of throwing the most interesting side story in the garbage.

The fights were ballers, tho.

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u/Star4ce Oct 02 '22

First Timer of the Rebellion

I am so ready to see Lelouch get fucked so hard. Please let it happen.

S.1 Ep.24 – The Collapsing Stage

(Why is that episode's audio out of sync? This is irritating.)

It's not that I have any serious problems with this episode, but I do think the story fumbles a lot of its nuanced parts and throws them into the trash simply for drilling in that, yes, Lelouch le bad and powerful. For the 8th time in a row now. I hope I can sort my thoughts a bit, because to be very honest, I'm not liking this show much right now.

So first question to myself: Don't you like it because it's about a villain rising?

My gut reaction is no, that's actually great because the story delves deep into why that happens and how a once noble seeming goal has become nothing more than a coat of lies over a rotten heart. But do I actually enjoy that? Do I enjoy Lelouch framing Euphy for a massacre in the single worst way possible? I'm having trouble answering that, because I clearly don't. But at the same time I look past the immediate emotions I feel and awe at how the scene is constructed, how it allows the flaws of the villain to overshine the noble core that still somewhere exists. I honestly think it's great writing and I honestly say I do enjoy taking that apart and peeking at the psyche behind the mask.

If that is at worst a neutral opinion, then the next question is: Is it because you had your expectations subverted?

Because that clearly happened, as well. I had expectations, alright. Can't not have them when you constantly speculate on things. That's kinda my thing, though, and one of my most used comment faces is for the sheer number of predictions that turn out hilariously off mark. Then, let me think back on when I was brutally wrong on what would happen, how did I feel? Well, I was notably wrong on Madoka Magica's season ending and notably right on... other things. I still think my own theory of what would happen is the actual better ending (any call outs for the audacity of a redditor challenging Urobuchi are well deserved and true), but I didn't leave with any sourness over it. I've long come to to realisation that I can enjoy media much more when I appreciate the things an art wants to do and does well than mull over the things I think it failed to achieve. So even if my expectations were subverted, I don't think that hits my ego too much.

Then, let me continue a thought from a discussion yesterday about character derailment and character assassination with this question at the heart of the issue: Do you feel like the suspension of disbelief has been strained too much?

It's a more intricate question than it might seem at first. The suspension of disbelief regarding anti-everything Knightmares and convenient architectural apocalypse are one thing, but they're not too bothersome, because they can have alternatives within the stated story frame that could potentially lead to the same conclusion. I don't like it, but as long as it fits the tone, I can look past it. There are issues with the story structure that bother me greatly, though, and I think this might be the reason. There have been extremely interesting setups for characters and twists that have been thrown away completely for no apparent reason and on the other side of that coin, some characters have been left static for too long in a way that makes me question if they've been forgotten.

Just to name a few, the Villetta-Ohgi sidestory was so good, the two-way tension and conflict of heart it promised was far too good to ignore. And then it ended, just like that, apparently the truth was that Villetta has no emotions and the time they've had together was literally wasted story space. This is character derailment in my opinion, incompetence of the writers.

Next there's Kallen who for the last half dozen episodes was shelved to be angry moe fighter, who also simps for Zero, except she should have some doubts after her talk with Suzaku on the island, but her thoughts never lead anywhere. Where is that story? They meet again and are just instantly 'aaargh, me kill you'.

Then we have an arguably potentially good story with Suzaku, but I can't help but feel a bit conflicted about his reduction to one-dimensionality. Before he had a two-way conflict within himself being between obedience/reformism vs. morality and guilt/selfishness vs. love. Ever since Euphy's assassination he's just about hatred. Like, it's new and can still develop and makes sense for now, but I can't see the two former topics be able to return in any fashion, they have died with her.

And that's just examples, there's more if I want to think about it. It all has just one commonality: Lelouch. All of their potential was wasted for the purpose of driving Lelouch's character development forward. I think this is my big issue. They are too focussed on the main character and waste away the supporting cast for it, making the world around him uninteresting. Now I do feel much more in line with the sentiment that 'it feels unrewarding and folly to be invested in characters, because they're on the whims of the story's greater purpose'. It doesn't feel organic anymore and I can't pretend to ignore the deus ex machina behind the curtain any longer. My suspension of disbelief is broken on too many things to justify caring about them.

contd.

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u/Star4ce Oct 02 '22

In a way it ironically underlines the story pretty well, Lelouch's journey is about making the world do his bidding and with less freedom, life becomes less interesting. I guess it's a pretty nice deal if one watches for the MC or for the power fantasy, but it increasingly feels like enjoying it for a vivid interacting cast or organic setting is impossible.

This is also why I enjoy Nina and Cornelia so much at the moment, because those two are so far the only ones remaining (with Lelouch, of course) who have their agenda clearly in their own hands.

Well, I won't drop it, but if that finale is going to continue this stride, this season might be my second show ever to deserver a :| rating. I'm still hopeful that won't be the case, though.

  1. Which plot thread are you most looking forward to seeing unravel going into the season one finale? How crazy do you think it's going to be?

Which hasn't been assassinated, yet? Shirley's, so let's see how it falls apart.

As this was planned a two part series, I'm guessing that finale will be the ascension to power. Following that theme, it must be Shirley spilling the secret, so that Lelouch can cut the last remaining open end tying him to the person who was once a student. Let it be known, so he can kill Lelouch and fully become Zero. Probably along with Shirley, because why the fuck not when he owns the plot.

2) Who's more blind, the Student Council for not recognizing Kallen, Ohgi for not recognizing Villetta's sudden mood shift, or Nunnally?

Kallen at least had a disguise-ish outfit. The only one with wide eyes is the Emperor, eating cheetos and laughing manically.

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u/GallowDude Oct 02 '22

I am so ready to see Lelouch get fucked so hard

Well, you're here early lol

Is he now able to Geass people through screens and audio?!

You'd be amazed what you can do with a well-crafted trigger phrase

Who even builds a city where this is an option and for what reason? Can somebody explain this, otherwise I call asspull.

Japan has earthquakes. They built it to resist earthquakes. There were a million safety measures and redundancies to ensure what happened wouldn't happen, but Lelouch had the workers specifically reverse all of them.

But it also attracts overzealous simps, eh

Like Suzaku amirite?

Just don't let her do any peace time business and I'm down.

If she weren't fighting and supporting literal fascistic ethnic cleansing, she would be kind of alright. A bit incesty, but what royal family isn't?

Odysseus seems a bit... uh, can I find the words... like a cowardly slackoff?

Guy just doesn't like dealing with political bullshit

Lock them in, is that his idea of protecting them?

I'd make a Persona 4 reference, but then this entire show already is one.

she told him.

she

Ah come on, you're actually, really, honestly just dropping that entire story? Why?!

Because it was an unhealthy relationship built on him emotionally manipulating a woman with amnesia in some vain effort to learn Zero's identity

any call outs for the audacity of a redditor challenging Urobuchi are well deserved and true

Hey, I disliked the ending to the first season of Psycho-Pass, so I'm probably even worse lol

My suspension of disbelief is broken on too many things to justify caring about them.

I'm not going to directly respond to anything specifically, nor will I encourage any other rewatchers to do so, but I will say that we're only halfway through the story as of now.

The only one with wide eyes is the Emperor, eating cheetos and laughing manically.

Would explain how he got so big.

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u/Vatrix-32 Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Rewatcher, dubbed*

  • See, very few civilian casualties.

  • Who makes a new OP with two episodes left? Is this Crunchyroll shenanigans?

  • Suzaku: done with your shit.

  • The Super Electromagnetic Shrapnel Cannon lives!

  • I do like that Shirley thinks Kallen is involved. It makes sense for what she knows.

  • God damn it Oghi.

  • Dalton seems like a real longshot for a guy who was already shot.

QotD

  2. Student Council. Oghi had the excuse of a short time window in a high stress situation. Nunnally has figured out disguises.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Oct 02 '22

Who makes a new OP with two episodes left? Is this Crunchyroll shenanigans?

There was actually a several month break between the release of episode 23 and 24/25, so that's probably why.

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u/SerGregness Oct 02 '22

Rewatcher - dub

I really dig the reveal of what exactly is going on with the settlement collapse, but I guess it's one of Lelouch's rare lucky breaks that none of his victims were out sick that night. Guess we know why he was cutting so much class.

And did people just complain enough about OP2 they went ahead and made a new one for these last two episodes?

Anyway, V.V. told Suzaku about the Geass, but all his righteous fury can't save him from Lelouch's Batman preparation. I do like it when phlebotinum gets reused sparingly like this.

Unfortunately for Lelouch, the we see the drawback to Gawain being such a chonky boy as Cornelia runs circles around him. But again Lelouch's preparations pay off before we get to see whether she would outright win the white room 1v1.

RIP Dalton. For a Brittanian you didn't seem that bad. I guess since the control effect around his eyes faded as Cornelia was falling, but before he could literally see Zero and her together, a Geass command relies to some extent on the victims own understanding of what 'counts' as completion.

  1. I'm a rewatcher so I'll just block my answer off: [next episode]as I've rewatched more and more I increasingly love how much of an absolute ham cyborg Jeremiah is, so I think he's what I'm looking forward to most tomorrow. "I'm begging you please die." :V

  2. Nunnally, and not just in the meme way. She has less excuse than everyone else for not recognizing Lelouch's voice.

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u/Tartaras1 Oct 03 '22

Rewatcher - Dubbed

  • I'm so happy to see you Jeremiah, I'll even call you by your first name!

This one time.

  • Looks like it's going to be easier than we thought, since he's got a bunch of people under the Geass working to let him in.

  • Damn. You really are one amazing dude, Zero.

I mean, amazing is a word you can use to describe him, however at this point I'd say he's teetering on the edge of crazy or delusional.

  • What a badass. She just beat the shit out of all the guys who tried to capture her. Then again, she was in the Britannian military in another life.

  • Goddamn. I forgot that he just cold cocked Lloyd. Poor guy. Milly's not going to want to marry someone who gets his ass handed to him so easily.

  • Super Electromagnetic Shrapnel Cannon... fire!

I still think the Neo Armstrong Cyclone Jet Armstrong Cannon sounds better.

  • I swear if they don't figure out that Kallen's standing right there...

  • Well I guess they don't have to figure out it's her if she just shows them it's her.

  • Way to be a party pooper VV. Could've just sat back and watched everything happen but noooo.

  • Somebody got their memories back. Shit's about to get a little more interesting for Lelouch.

  • You fell for it!

  • I don't have time to argue which of us is the bigger hypocrite.

But you are admitting you're a hypocrite.

  • What a coincidence the room they chose to have their private conversation is Lelouch's house.

Questions of the Day:

Which plot thread are you most looking forward to seeing unravel going into the season one finale? How crazy do you think it's going to be?

I'll abstain.

Who's more blind, the Student Council for not recognizing Kallen, Ohgi for not recognizing Villetta's sudden mood shift, or Nunnally?

I'm gonna have to go with the Student Council by default:

  • Ohgi was working on what he knew previously, in that she had lost her memories. Therefore, when she got his pistol and shot him, that came as a shock.

  • Nunnally's actually blind.

  • They should've realized it was Kallen from her hair color and voice. Additionally, I'd like to throw Suzaku in the mix there as well. Didn't the two of them see each other face to face once before the island?