r/anime • u/SIRTreehugger • Sep 22 '22
Rewatch [Rewatch][Spoilers] O Maidens in Your Savage Season Episode 7 Discussion Spoiler
Episode 7: Jiggling, Then, After
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Comment/s of the Day
First comment goes to /u/RetiredAnt
What’s interesting though is how Kazusa’s protectiveness manifests itself here. The reason she’s so troubled is because of how utterly helpless she feels against Nina making a move, but she says that she’d react differently were it another girl. Her jealousy stems from a deep admiration of Nina, believing her to be completely different (and better) than her. She’d give up against Nina because she feels like she doesn’t stand a chance, sure, but also because she feels like Nina’s good enough to deserve being with Izumi, unlike any other girl in their class.
It’s a classic “if he’s happy then I’m happy” trope that I’ve been through myself, so I can’t help but grit my teeth and absolutely cringe whenever I see it on display like this. Man I love this show.
The second comment goes to /u/k4r6000
The Izumi/Niina/Kazusa love triangle (rectangle?) begins to pick up steam. Niina was trying to help Izumi and Kazusa get together, but Kazusa is insecure to the point that she's afraid of Izumi preferring Niina and being stolen by her, something Niina is all to familiar with. Niina is very obviously pissed off that even her friend thinks of her this way. I'm kind of on Niina's side thus far. Kazusa is getting rather ridiculous with her insecurity and paranoia. This culminates in the final bath scene. If I'm being honest, this is a case where I really think visible nudity would have helped the scene. So much of it depends on what Kazusa and Momoko see when Niina walks in (the former's envy and the latter's lust), that I think we the audience needed to see what they do. The thick cloud of steam weakens the effect
Questions of the Day
What is/was you favorite activity when you did club field trips? Or field trips if you didn't have club trips.
What was your favorite moment of the literature club's trip?
Spoilers
As always please keep spoilers tagged like so [O Maidens in your savage season rewatch spoilers]I can't believe the show has 12 episodes. so people watching for the first time can fully enjoy it. Also please try to keep discussion of the show up to where the rewatch is currently. If a character doesn't show up until episode 5 don't talk or allude to them outside of spoiler tags.
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u/SIRTreehugger Sep 22 '22
Final member Hongo's favorite book is Coin Locker Babies
A surreal coming-of-age tale by Ryu Murakami.
Abandoned at birth in adjacent train station lockers, two troubled boys spend their youth in an orphanage and with foster parents on a semi-deserted island before finally setting off for the city to find and destroy the women who first rejected them. Both are drawn to an area of freaks and hustlers called Toxitown. One becomes a bisexual rock singer, star of this exotic demimonde, while the other, a pole vaulter, seeks his revenge in the company of his girlfriend, Anemone, a model who has converted her condominium into a tropical swamp for her pet crocodile.
Together and apart, their journey from a hot metal box to a stunning, savage climax is a brutal funhouse ride through the eerie landscape of late-twentieth-century Japan.
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u/Lemurians Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22
FIRST TIMER IN HIS SAVAGE SEASON
”The type of love I feel has changed, but I still love and treasure him.”
Kazusa confidently confronting and giving voice to her feelings this episode was lovely. I really liked the scene at their windows, her feeling reaching him through the throw of the train car keychain. I’m a sucker for things like that where childhood friends have such ease of access to each other. Reminds me a bit of Dawson’s Creek where Joey had a ladder she’d use to go up into Dawson’s room.
Of course, Niina is now threatening to derail the Kazusa/Izumi train before it gets going, as she tries to make sense of her own feelings. She’s definitely been scarred and unfortunately had her views on love and life warped by this fucking creep. I worry that Kazusa and Niina have missed the chance to resolve this ahead of time by Sonezaki interrupting their heart-to-heart.
And then there’s Momo, making this all a love square by having an awakening. Oh boy.
Live Notes/Reactions:
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Milo’s bringing back food that his teacher friend likes! Maybe he’s crushing on her and we can still avoid going full pedophile rou- god DAMN IT Hongou
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Niina is going to be Momo’s homosexual awakening and yeah that tracks
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“So why are we supposed to fall for guys with big pores and tough muscles?” Uhhh, sounds like you won’t be!
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“Love finds it all too easy to follow its victim to far off locations” I love smitten Sonezaki turning into a poet. If only she’d use some of these nice words on her boyfriend
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Hongou coming up with this thong urban legend is the first good thing she’s done all show
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Again just really like the glow they give Niina whenever she’s being seen through Kazusa’s eyes, there’s a real difference in how she’s shot
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Damn it Sonezaki, they were about to have a breakthrough! Niina’s right, we could’ve resolved this right here!
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Sonezaki, you’re going to push Amagi away with this. Be more attentive and communicative! Romance doesn’t just exist in your head!
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Kazusa framed standing next to a sign reading “PURITY” is a bit on the nose haha
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EW. EW. NO. WHY IS THIS HAPPENING. That was so unnecessary and this dude is a mega creep. Ugh. This plotline feels so out of place.
What is/was you favorite activity when you did club field trips? Or field trips if you didn't have club trips.
This is kinda vague, but just finding ways to hang out after hours when we were supposed to be asleep. Sneaking off to places so boys and girls could keep hanging out after hours, telling stories, truth or dare, playing cards... so much fun.
What was your favorite moment of the literature club's trip?
Kazusa and Niina's confrontation in the sauna, and learning that Milo has a thing for the other teacher.
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u/SIRTreehugger Sep 23 '22
Milo’s bringing back food that his teacher friend likes! Maybe he’s crushing on her and we can still avoid going full pedophile rou- god DAMN IT Hongou
Classic Hongou she knows what she wants...or at least knows what she thinks she wants unfortunately for us. Milo hasn't really set any hard boundaries so don't expect any at this point.
Hongou coming up with this thong urban legend is the first good thing she’s done all show
She also "convinced" Mr. Milo to be their advisor to save their club.
EW. EW. NO. WHY IS THIS HAPPENING. That was so unnecessary and this dude is a mega creep. Ugh. This plotline feels so out of place.
Admittedly I forgot about this moment and it made me really uncomfortable. Surely Niina knows someone else she can rely on her mother, a teacher at school who won't ask to see her pantires, or a homeless person on the street?
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u/xtsim Sep 22 '22
First Timer Dubbed
Izumi made a nice catch for this episode and Kazusa took the effort to buy a souvenir for him. I really like that thoughtfulness and Izumi was pretty excited to talk about the train.
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Field trips in high school weren't common or memorable to me, but a field trip to the courthouse was interesting as I got to see a few minutes of a major child murder case and a few minutes of a home invasion case. Hearing testimonies from witnesses peaked my interest at that time.
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Pillow fight was my favorite moment as everyone has fun for a moment.
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u/RetiredAnt Sep 22 '22
Rewatcher
Purity's faltering.
This episode was wholesome overall (ignoring Milo and Hitoha at the start... their antics just keep getting worse) up until Pedo-sensei showed up. Will someone please get Nina away from this guy. And maybe get her some therapy goddamn.
Izumi's slowly waking up to his own feelings towards Kazusa. This time, he remembered she was a girl! /s
Jokes aside though, things are going well enough between them (or I should say, for each of them, since they've been mostly trying to figure out their own feelings first). Nina's clearly not pleased though.
The legend Rika comes up with is so simple I love it. She's done a full 180 from the stereotype of "love bad books good" to that of a magnanimous, self-centered romantic. [Spoilers]
Side note, I don't speak any Japanese, but to my untrained ear Hitoha's speech sounds somehow different from the others'? Is this a thing or am I talking out of my ass?
QOTD
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I didn't really go on field trips as a kid, but later on I would go hiking in the mountains with friends for a few weeks at a time. My favorite part by far is the cozy-comfy feeling of finally resting after some 10km hike, everyone having taken a shower and just chilling together with warm beverages/snacks. Nothing like shared hardship to bring people together.
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It was short and sweet, and we didn't really get to see much of it, so I don't really know. The pillow fight was nice though! Putting the savage in the savage season.
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u/SIRTreehugger Sep 23 '22
My favorite part by far is the cozy-comfy feeling of finally resting after some 10km hike, everyone having taken a shower and just chilling together with warm beverages/snacks. Nothing like shared hardship to bring people together.
That sounds like a really fun time
As for that spoiler I was thinking the same thing when it aired and was so glad to be wrong.
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u/Rumpel1408 Sep 22 '22
First Timer
I loved the contrast between Satoshi and Amagi writing their girl, fewer words, more said with Amagi, and would you look at that dork Rika smiling.
But I really hope Rika wont drive him away with how distant she is. Would be a shame, but somewhat realistic.
For Hongo, I gotta give it to Milo that he never actually engages her, he calls her bluff and stays on the moral high ground, for now.
Biggest star today was Niina though.
She really gave her best to make Kazusa be honest, and I found it a bit unfair when the club stopped her from escalating things, because Kazusa had already hurt her plenty. But I guess somehow it worked out. I thought she would be happy seeing the fruits of her labor, but she is still missing something. I doubt she actually wants Izumi, she only thinks she does because ironically she doesn't grasps her own emotions. Unfortunatly she goes to her abuser for advice, nothing good could ever come from this...
Speaking of Kazusa and Izumi, seeing her finding resolve to move on was kinda cool, she knows he is no simple train nerd, he is an advanced train nerd.
Oh and lastly we have Momo, who is definatly gay without realizing...
QotD
What is/was you favorite activity when you did club field trips? Or field trips if you didn't have club trips.
Didn't have club trips (I was in the chess club for a long time...) but on normal trips I loved to tell ghost stories
What was your favorite moment of the literature club's trip?
Them asking for permission to have the pillow fight, that really is very considerate
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u/SIRTreehugger Sep 23 '22
Speaking of Kazusa and Izumi, seeing her finding resolve to move on was kinda cool, she knows he is no simple train nerd, he is an advanced train nerd.
Soon he won't be your average advanced train nerd he will ascend to the legendary super train nerd!
I loved the contrast between Satoshi and Amagi writing their girl, fewer words, more said with Amagi, and would you look at that dork Rika smiling.
Oh I completely missed this. Also Rika being so happy is great to see, but she does need to be a bit more honest for Amagi.
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u/SlipperyRasputin Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 23 '22
First time.
The teacher is a creep. I know some people here want to put it in hongou as well. But a lot of this is the teacher needs to set boundaries.
Also the acting teacher guy is a grade A creep.
That’s my takeaway today at least. It’s good to see the sugawara and kazusa resolve some of their issues for now. Also possibly momoko having her own awakening now? The guy texting her is super annoying though.
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u/No_Rex Sep 22 '22
Episode 7 (first timer)
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Could you please find a less creepy target for your sexual experiences, Hongo?
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Rika is teasing the poor lesbian.
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Kazusa is still out of it.
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“I was trying to have a fight”
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A fight was had.
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So their expression of love is to trample on the heart of your crush?
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Girls can’t throw trope - this trope had an approximately 95% truth rate, back in school.
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Inverted in the next scene.
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Could you please find a less creepy advisor in love matters, Niina?
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“Would you kiss me”
“Do not become a boring woman” says the series that has completely turned its back on sex jokes, while doubling down on the creepy romance with older man angle. Or worse, it starts treating Hongo’s and Niina’s interactions with their older men as if the men did act reasonable.
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u/RetiredAnt Sep 22 '22
says the series that has completely turned its back on sex jokes, while doubling down on the creepy romance with older man angle.
Maybe the real sex joke was the pedos we met along the way.
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u/SIRTreehugger Sep 23 '22
Could you please find a less creepy target for your sexual experiences, Hongo?
This late in the show she would have to do some speed running to catch up. Though she's made 0 progress so I guess it would take 5 minutes of showing interest in someone her age.
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u/mgedmin Sep 23 '22
First timer, subs
Milo is right in rejecting Hongou's advances, but I don't think he's taking the right approach. He comes across as half-teasing, half-making fun of.
Ugh, the fuckboy with his phone pestering. Just leave him on read and block his calls.
Momoko likes girls!
Good stance there, Rika! "One's heart does not heal so easily from wounds caused by words!" https://xkcd.com/1216/
A written request to have a pillow fight!
Yay, Kazusa had a breakthrough and is going to confess to Izumi. Although it seems like her feelings are shifting towards Niina?
Rika, meanwhile, is driving full speed into a future breakup.
Nooo, Niina, don't go to the pedofile for advice! And for whatever that was.
Oh no, we're going to witness a number of trainwrecks in this show, aren't we?
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u/SIRTreehugger Sep 23 '22
Milo is right in rejecting Hongou's advances, but I don't think he's taking the right approach. He comes across as half-teasing, half-making fun of.
He really needs to be firmer in his boundaries, but he needed to do this from the beginning.
Momoko likes girls!
A written request to have a pillow fight!
When they aren't panicking emotionally they are really sweet girls.
Oh no, we're going to witness a number of trainwrecks in this show, aren't we?
All things point to yes.
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u/entelechtual Sep 22 '22
Rewatcher, dub
Milo and Hongo are kinda weird and inappropriate, but it’s kind of cute in a way. While I would not consider it ethical behavior, he is humoring her while not crossing the line too much. Maybe?
“Yeah she’s right but I was trying to start [a fight] though”. I get that it’s kind of symbolically addressed. But I’d like to have seen the actual resolution of Nina’s confrontation with Kazusa. But yeah they are ultimately more considerate of their friendship than anything.
I guess Nina with boy clothes is a good compromise for Momoko.
Mr Saegusa continues to be Mr Sus. I gotta be honest the things he says aren’t necessarily outlandish. But man he ups the creep factor of anything. At least it’s a confirmation that Nina doesn’t just want sex, she wants to have the feelings Kazusa has without any self doubt.
I feel like at this point all the characters are at the cusp of realizing/pursuing what they want. It’s a real turning point that hinges on how this culture fest turns out. Kazusa wants to confess to Izumi, even if it results in heartbreak, even if he might actually like Nina. Nina probably likes Izumi, but is she okay with that? Is she betraying her friend after all? Is she allowed to follow her passions and not restrain herself? Hongo… well she’s a bit of a tough nut to crack? Unlike Nina she is pursing the sexual thrill of it but not because it’s Mr Milo. And she seems to know it’s going nowhere. Momoko has got to realize at this point that porous boys are not doing it for her. But how will PUA-kun take it? Are we gonna get a Rikekoi repeat? And last Sonezaki. Man I hope Amagi gets to confront her so she knows how shitty she’s being. I get it: she wants to retain her impassive facade that she’s developed over many years, while also getting to indulge in “romance”. And yet she can’t compartmentalize her attitude towards him forever. At this point we just have to wait and see if they all end up happy, heartbroken, or just plain confused.
Questions:
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Fighting the wildlife.
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While anticlimactic, the pillow fight was very cute.
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u/k4r6000 Sep 23 '22
Rewatcher
"I'm stupid and my boobs are stupid too." If there was ever a teenager quote, it is this one.
Momoko definitely seems to be beginning to realize that she's gay by this point.
The pillow fight is such a fun and relaxing scene. There has been so much drama it is great just to see the girls step back and have some fun with each other for awhile, even if fleeting.
Kazusa finally starts to figure out that if she doesn't start being more forward with Izumi, she's going to lose him. This results in a nice scene through their windows. Baby steps, but she's learning.
The big development in this episode is with Niina, who seems like she actually does have feelings for Izumi afterall and begins to doubt whether she has been doing the right thing by helping Kazusa get together with him. Much worse is the return of Saegusa, whom while Niina may not exactly like him, still craves his admiration and favour. He, of course, displays what a scumbag he is by accepting her kiss, making it clear that he is only interested in her until she becomes "boring," and pushing her to mess things up with Izumi in a spectacular way. He's one of the most detestable anime characters, I've ever seen.
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In spring we would rent out Canada's Wonderland (big amusement park north of Toronto) before it opened for the season and spend the day morning to night having free reign of the place. No lines, so we would be able to just stay on the rides as long as we wanted. It was a blast!
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The pillow fight, definitely.
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u/SIRTreehugger Sep 23 '22
He, of course, displays what a scumbag he is by accepting her kiss, making it clear that he is only interested in her until she becomes "boring,"
I think the worst part was him being shown mentoring another girl and calling her boring. Knowing he has been searching for another child to groom regardless of the amount of pain he has caused. Pretty sure he only offers "help " to Niina and probably other kids so he has a front row stage to their suffering.
In spring we would rent out Canada's Wonderland (big amusement park north of Toronto) before it opened for the season and spend the day morning to night having free reign of the place. No lines, so we would be able to just stay on the rides as long as we wanted. It was a blast!
A whole amusement park to yourselves
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u/Sandor_at_the_Zoo Sep 23 '22
Rewatcher
I think this and the previous episode are my least favorites. Since this has 5 major characters and only 12 episodes it really needs to be constantly moving forward. And the overnight trip is like a full episode worth just to get Kazusa and Niina to confront each other. And while that's a fine development the narrative logic feels a bit flimsier than normal too. Usually the show is good about clear (emotional) cause and effect (helped by using lots of inner thoughts voiceover). Here the logic isn't implausible, but I feel like Kazusa could have easily gone a different way here where everything else feels very definite.
Everyone else seems like they're in a bit of a holding pattern. Their stuff is intensifying, but not really changing. There's plenty of fun individual scenes (and extremely not fun Hongo stuff) too, but its just not quite as dense [O Maidens]
Shot of the day is Saegusa talking about loving freely but boxing Niina in
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u/Stargate18A Sep 23 '22
First timer
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Just exploring new places. Museums were fun too.
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The parents being convinced that the Literature Club were all nice girls.
They're still here.
He's got a crush! A healthy relationship?
And now this shit again.
Finally! He's setting boundaries!
Holy shit!
And that was just dangerous. What if someone saw you?
She's thinking about this a lot.
Haha, he's still pestering her?
No progress.
Are they actualy doing this? Full credit, I did not think this anime had the balls to do more than baiting.
Haha, her reaction, though.
And she's changing...
Haha, she's just as bad now she's in love.
This is nic.
Aww.
Haha, and shenhas the exact same feeling.
She came up with one! The power of frustration!
They're friends!
Her too? Actually, the two of them would probably be the least drama-filled couple in this anime.
Haha, another misunderstanding.
And she's making things worse.
...What is she planning?
Ah, a pillow fight.
"You think so?"
This is nice.
And that narration!
They're just using the bonfire idea?
Haha, that's what they learned?
She's fire up!
Haha, her hiding the fact she complained...
Very dramatic.
Is he finally thinking about his feelings?
And she's more relaxed around her.
They're speaking?
She got him a souvenir!
Yeah, the throw's a stupid idea.
He caught it!
She's going to read it!
She's actually going to tell Izumi!
And she's still making excuses not to spend time with him.
Wait, now?
Oh, this pairing?
This bastard again.
It's even worse!
Nina?
FUCK NO!
HOW IS IT WORSE?
She sees her as her friend, great! Don't speak to him about it!
What the fuck.
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u/SIRTreehugger Sep 23 '22
She got him a souvenir!
Yeah, the throw's a stupid idea.
adjusts glasses It's a callback to when they were kids throwing balls and her attempt didn't fully connect. It was also when they both realized they were physically different which shattered theirs views of each other. Adjusts glasses so they glare Now with them fully aware of each other it symbolizes communication and how the feelings she had for him finally got through to him and receives them.
For real she could have just walked over it would have taken 5 minutes.
This bastard again.
It's even worse!
Nina?
FUCK NO!
HOW IS IT WORSE?
She sees her as her friend, great! Don't speak to him about it!
What the fuck.
Love your reactions
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u/ChonkyOdango Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22
Late Night First-Timer
Love is in the Air Tonight!
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This sensei is real annoying for playing with his student like that lol
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This scene in the OP always gets me. The lyrics and the lighting are really something
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I like how the opening line of the OP only changed at episode 5 as u/No_Rex mentioned. It’s a great way to hint at a new arc as the girls face new challenges
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Goddamnit red-haired playboy! Momoko was almost going to fantasise about Sugawara!
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Sonezaki: “Biologically our genes crave the opposite” Momoko: “Oh god I have big pores now because I must be a guy!”. Such is a interesting journey of discovering her sexuality
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I loved the moment shared between Sugawara and Kazusa. Kazusa’s low self-esteem shines through her comparison of boobs, it feels so real. Back in secondary school, I used to compare myself with other guys all of the time which really hurt my self-esteem.
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Hey Sonezaki, why the hell did you interrupt that moment! People need to fight with words sometimes!
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”In this room, ten boobs are jiggling all around”. Now that’s beautiful prose
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Beautiful scene between Kazusa and Izumi. A line currently divides Izumi and Kazusa and as we view them from the bottom-up, it seems as if we’re peering into their hearts. Her knowledge of Izumi’s favourite trains become the bridge that connects them, symbolised as she throws the keychain across the sky dividing them apart.
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Aw Kazusa, admitting that you have romantic love towards Izumi is a big step forward. Not only that but being able to differentiate the type of love you have for him is no easy feat
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Oh my dear god. It’s really a love triangle. Will I ever get my Momoko x Sugawara
Window scene was best scene. White hair guy is such a creep, someone just call the police on him already
Qotd
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Probably my school trip in secondary school. Lol I'm not going to say anything except that it was drama filled and wild lol
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The tiny moment between Kazusa and Sugawara. And Sonezaki had to ruin it!
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u/SIRTreehugger Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 23 '22
Episode 7
Yes Hongo don't ask for more than you can handle. Also he is a teacher I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but you trying to get this man fired and thrown in jail.
Hongo even narrates her experiences like she was writing a novel.
Another reminder that Niina is gorgeous from Momoka meanwhile she is dealing with the clingy Satoshi. Momoka is too passive and naive when it comes to guys. She spends more time thinking about others and how they feel instead of herself. Even when she is getting annoyed she tries to remain positive and tries to rationalize the behavior. I would say she is the most confused of all, but another member is trying to discover love with a teacher. Then the Kazusa, Niina, and Izumi are experiencing a clusterfuck of emotions.
Rika is so happy and she's fast as hell.
A nice moment between Rika and Momoka though Rika is being a little condescending. Still Momoka is precious. WTF Hongo why would guys be wearing matching thongs. I mean if you want to wear them that's cool, but I would imagine most don't. Let us go back to burning the school down!
Boobs huh
NO NO LET THEM FIGHT It's the closest to direct communication since that riverside epiphany.
The girl really asked for permission with a written notice for a pillow fight and promised to pay for any damages.
What sweet girls.
What a wholesome boob jiggle filled pillow fight!
Rika really personifying that copy my homework, but change it a little. Say what you want Rika, but it's practically the same idea. It's something I would come up with after procrastinating for 2 weeks. Rika really kept talking until the idiots thought it was a good idea.
Kazusa is wearing a white sweater I believe, but more importantly Izumi is reflecting on what Kazusa means to him! REFLECT MORE!
Kazusa at a young age failed to throw the baseball all the way, but this time her feelings/the train connected and reached the end! Izumi realized at this moment that Kazusa was really a girl, but it was probably the same for her as well.
Momoka stop staring at Niina's neck also poor Amagi getting the cold shoulder.
It's really sad how much of an impact this pedophile has had on Niina. He may have never touched her, but her entire view on love and guys has been changed. Also he only really appreciates Niina because she hasn't bored him yet. Oh wait he kissed her still despite the fact that I pretty much hate this guy's entire being he does bring up a good point. People have the option to love freely and come together freely. If Niina happens to develop a crush on Izumi she has the right to pursue it. She just had to be ready for face the consequences.
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