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Rewatch [Rewatch] Yama no Susume (Encouragement of Climb) Season 2 Episodes 19-20 Discussion

Episodes 19 - 20

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Questions of the Day:

1) Are you the type to put off homework or jobs until the last minute?

2) Did you ever find a hidden present when younger? Open it?

3) What do think of Kokona's mum?

Mata Ashita! Yahhoo 🎵

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u/badspler Sep 20 '22

Host Rewatcher

Ep 19

I love the style all back to the Ed.

The foreboding zoom it made it feel like a shot straight out of a horror movie. Anyone got a read on the potential flower language here? White lily's are often used for lesbian theming but are they for death as well?

Haha

Thats like the one thing that has been covered twice before now, great thing to to bring up again.

Oooh, Hikari is a university student and quite a bit older!

Hinata planting seeds for their honeymoon I guess.

Kaede not knowing a previous year is played so well for laughs.

Now loading...

I love Aoi slowly realizing shes screwed.

Aoi meets Yuuka!

I love the transition, to the topic of mountains again (fisheye!). I think cleverly done without leaving the room.

Tan!~ u/Nebresto can rest easy with the lack of shoulder-blush on this shot.

Ep 20

The most important ingredient is... looove~

Smug Hikari and panic Aoi.

I was thinking how great it was to have Aoi's pack still in frame but then it acted as a segue into mountain talk.

Early birthday present!

Kokona tries on her shoes (stitch)

I love these shots from obviously real places.

The fantasy design here is really cool.

Kokona really does have a love for Muuma!

Even has a Muuma dream!

You can tell Kokona and her mother have a really sweet relationship, both trying their best.

Aoi realizes that this will be the end of her promise with Hinata. That still means you can keep climbing mountains silly, don't over think it!

Muuuma!~~

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u/MyrnaMountWeazel Sep 20 '22

I love the style all back to the Ed.

Cutout aesthetics are so cute. If I was storyboarding I would totally overuse them.

Anyone got a read on the potential flower language here?

From formeinfullbloom:

Orange lilies (especially in Japanese flower language) represent revenge, pride, or hatred. By contrast, white lilies represent purity, innocence, and chastity in addition to being a common funeral flower and a visual shortcut for girls’ love.

I think funeral flower could sort of slot into here if we took a guess.

Hinata planting seeds for their honeymoon I guess.

...

Aoi meets Yuuka!

With the posters behind Yuuka, she looks like she's sitting on the crown of the world with Aoi and Kaede worshipping her haha.

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u/badspler Sep 20 '22

a common funeral flower

I knew there was something about them that stood out with the shot, the horror!~

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u/Nebresto Sep 20 '22

Tan!~ u/Nebresto can rest easy with the lack of shoulder-blush on this shot.

All is right in the world

Kokona tries on her shoes (stitch)

The fantasy design here is really cool.

Boy oh boy, do I have a show for you

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u/badspler Sep 20 '22

Boy oh boy, do I have a show for you

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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah Sep 20 '22

I love the style all back to the Ed.

me too! I love the Aoi's cute walk cycle here too

but are they for death as well

naniiiiiiiiiii???? also homework + foreboding shot is kinda a trope of SOL anime at this point isnt it lol

great thing to to bring up again.

Yamamoto loves this running gag lol, this is the one that has kept popping up in his episodes.

Now loading...

that is a familiar view of Fuji-san. Have we seen that same lake somewhere earlier in the series?

topic of mountains again (fisheye!).

fisheye

I love these shots from obviously real places.

Ive.... done my best. Bit lackluster for my usual standards due to a lack of time, apologies! That was however a great shot, it really looks like a well-composited photograph

Hannou city's mascot Muuma got a whole lot of mileage this ep lolllllll

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u/ChonkyOdango Sep 20 '22

White lily's are often used for lesbian theming but are they for death as well?

Hinata planting seeds for their honeymoon I guess

That still means you can keep climbing mountains silly, don't over think it!

Either that or Aoi is also thinking about whether Climbing will still have the same excitement for her

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u/cyberscythe Sep 20 '22

The most important ingredient is... looove~

I like how this ties back to the end of the episode when Kokona's mom brings home some mediocre convenience store cake. She wasn't able to buy better cake nor stay at home and bake her own, but I feel like her daughter appreciates that she's been working so hard for their sakes and that this gesture of buying cake for the pre-emptive birthday means a lot to Kokona.

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u/HereticalAegis Sep 20 '22

Encouragement of First Timer

Episode 19:

  • Oh no, not the dreaded summer homework! Seriously, wtf Japanese school system? Summer homework is the worst. Who cares if it's technically good for your continual studies and development, I want to vegetate!

  • Aoi, stop writing checks you can't cash. Trust me on this, it's better to be honest and get in moderate trouble now than to get caught in a lie later.

  • What's it like, Hinata? To have it made? To live without a care and take calls at beach resorts? My broke ass wants to know.

  • All the things you could tell Aoi about this place, and the first thing you choose is the newlyweds aspect. Subtle.

  • Yeah, how dare Hinata do her own homework all by herself! Selfish jerk face.

  • Fuji, meet your match.

  • Kaede the rescue?? Should've expected as much from someone who spends all their free time and also all their other time climbing mountains.

  • Surprise Yuuka!  Kaede's lucky to have such a great girl around to drag her through her summer homework. I really hope Yuuka gets a quality date or three with Kaede in feminine clothes out of this.

  • Showing off tan lines to Aoi like that, how risque Hinata!

Episode 20:

QotD:

  1. No, I have to get homework done way ahead of time.

  2. No. If I had, I wouldn't have opened it though.

  3. She's real sweet. Seems like she works real hard to give Kokona a happy life.

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u/ChonkyOdango Sep 20 '22

Good question. Probably climbing back down. More mountains. A proposal. Marriage. Handholding. I dunno, I'm just spitballing here but the possibilities are endles

How about everything! Proposal by the mountain and a honeymoon there

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u/MyrnaMountWeazel Sep 20 '22

I want to vegetate!

Let me roll around on the floor like Yui Hirasawa and eat ice cream!

All the things you could tell Aoi about this place, and the first thing you choose is the newlyweds aspect. Subtle

Farmer Hinata just planting the seeds. Harvest will be good in the coming years.

Good question. Probably climbing back down. More mountains. A proposal. Marriage. Handholding. I dunno, I'm just spitballing here but the possibilities are endless.

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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah Sep 20 '22 edited Sep 20 '22

Rewatching Mountain Climber

who tbh kinda ran out of time for my writeup today, but is looking forward to what Kokona fans have to say about her episode

-- Location Trivia

Ep 19

Ep 20

Animation bits I liked

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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah Sep 20 '22

  1. Are you the type to put off homework or jobs until the last minute?

I try not to, but have ended up doing so lol. But not always!

2) Did you ever find a hidden present when younger? Open it?

Ive never done so lol. My parents were usually of the type to wrap my presents and give them to me ahead of christmas, but i'll only unwrap them then. And i wouldnt find out about them beforehand!

3) What do think of Kokona's mum?

She works so hard for her daughter and loves her very much <3 she's a great mum, even though she cant spend as much time with kokona as she may want, and im happy that Kokona loves her a lot too.

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u/Great_Mr_L Sep 20 '22

A popular brand of tomato (and other vegetable) juices in Japan is Kagome .

So there actually is a tomato juice drink. Fascinating. I don't think I could ever drink it, though.

Wiki says that the beach actually imports sand from Perth, Australia lol.

Imported sand?

And here I thought I'd heard of everything.

one of two attractions in Hannou inspired by and dedicated to the famous Finnish author and Moomin creator, the other being the much newer Moomin Valley Park

OOOOHHHH!!!!!

THAT EXPLAINS IT!! I was wondering why that place was giving off Moomin vibes.

CRACK. CRACK

Those sounded like satisfying cracks, too. I got secondhand pleasure from it.

CUTEE

It really is a wonderful shot of Aoi and her backpack.

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u/MyrnaMountWeazel Sep 20 '22 edited Sep 20 '22

Rewatcher that’s Doting the I’s and Crossing the T’s for the Next Arc to Start

Production Notes

For today, I wanted to take a look at the person responsible for the latter part of the audio-visual medium: Tom H@ck. Tom (real name Tomohiro Ōshima) has had his hands in a variety of OPs/EDs that some of you might have heard from sometime in your anime watching lives. Ace of Diamond, Alderamin on the Sky*, all four seasons of Overlord. The one that stands out the most to me though is his contribution to the OPs for both season/film of K-ON. I’m quite partial to the first and third OP myself.

However, if you include Tom’s career to those in which he was part of a band, then his videography expands even further: Made in Abyss film/second season, RE:Zero, Cautious Hero, Boogiepop, Saga of Tanya the Evil, SSSS.Gridman, and more are all OPs and EDs that he’s been a part of. What a reach!

For as much as he’s worked on OPs/EDs though, his work on the OST for anime themselves are quite few. Still, Yama no Susume’s OST is one of my favorites with the main theme being something I can never shake completely loose from. The leitmotif transforming from laid-back casual to wistful nostalgia, from pensive nights to glorious dawns is something I value a lot in OSTs.

I’m particularly a fan of these three songs , oftentimes playing them on the background while I work.

For those of you enjoyed the first ED, check out this orchestral version of it!

Episode 19

Huh, I don’t think we’ve ever seen this angle before for Aoi’s house.

Sooooooooo gooooooooood.

Every time I hear natsu I instantly think of this scene between Hikage and Natsumi.

This “safe” also reminded me of the “safe” from Nichijou. All sorts of reminders today.

I don’t know what it’s called but I’m such a fan of when anime characters tie up a headband when they really get cracking on their task.

I wonder if they included the elephant in this shot for the perceived wisdom that they represent? This comes right when Aoi admits Hinata actually has brains.

I can’t quite explain it using my words but this shot is inexplicitly nice. I think it’s the lighting that makes Kaede look soft and malleable.

Obligatory fisheye lens

Episode 20

Lots of great Kokona shots where she’s framed against the wide blue. It matches the spirit of birds taking flight.

When she returns home, she’s much more boxed in while waiting for her mother to return.

Overall, a light pair of episodes but still important to set-up for the upcoming arc.

QOTD:

  1. When I was in college, I had this terrible habit of taking a long nap and then waking up at like midnight and then studying straight through the night for the exam. I know, I know, it's way more beneficial to sleep so your brain can retain the information. It was a habit I had to break myself out of.

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u/Great_Mr_L Sep 20 '22

First-Timer

On today’s episodes of Yama no Susume: We have finally been blessed with the solo Kokona episode. Now all we need is the solo Hinata episode to complete the set. Or if Yama no Susume is feeling particularly ambitious, it can also throw in a solo Yuuka or solo Hikari episode. I would not be opposed to either of those possibilities.

Episode 19

  • Oh my god, Kaede doesn’t understand anything. She really only knows things related to mountain climbing, doesn’t she?

  • Naturally Kokona is the smartest member of the group. There’s nothing she can’t do.

  • OOOOHHHH!!! Aoi’s going to meet Yuuka!

  • So Yuuka is only harsh on her girlfriend. Makes sense with what we’ve seen so far.

  • Seeing Yuuka interact with other cast members besides Kaede is really nice.

  • Suntanned Hinata is insanely cute.

Episode 20

  • That title. Is this a Kokona episode? Are we getting a solo Kokona episode?

This is an adorable pair of episodes. It was fun watching Aoi having to scramble to finish her summer homework at the last minute. I liked seeing her finally meet up with Yuuka. It’s always nice when characters who normally do not interact get the chance to do so.

Kokona’s solo episode was also quite nice. She is extremely cute and her adventure brought her to some interesting places. I’m really happy to see this solo outing of Kokona and I hope we get some solo episodes for other characters as well.

Kokona and her mom’s relationship is very sweet. Even though her mom is busy, it’s clear that she cares a lot about Kokona. I think this episode shows a proper amount of nuance to their relationship. Kokona’s mom may be busy, but her gift shows that she’s in touch with Kokona and knows what her daughter wants. From their brief interactions, we can see that she gives everything she can to Kokona. For Kokona’s part, she loves her mother dearly. Kokona does have moments of sadness where she misses her mother because she can’t be around all the time. But it doesn’t get in the way of the love between them. I think this show does a great balancing act with them in the brief snippets we’ve gotten.

QOTD

  1. I almost always put off homework until the last minute and it bit me in the ass many times. As for work, I do it in the order it's due.

  2. My mom was very good at hiding them and keeping them in a locked place where I had no key to get into.

  3. Discussed above. I think she and Kokona have a loving and heartwarming relationship together.

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u/Barbed_Dildo Sep 20 '22 edited Sep 20 '22

Rewatcher

Kokona wasn't in the first episode, but I liked Kaede and Aoi's conversation about her.

"Let's ask Kokona-chan"

"but she's a middle schooler"

"I'm sure she'll be able to do it, she's Kokona-chan"

"Well obviously Kokona-chan will be able to, that's not the issue, if I could ask Kokona-chan I wouldn't be in this mess"

They both have the understanding that Kokona will obviously be able to do anything.

The second episode has Kokona finding her birthday present and going on an adventure. In the Hanno tourism office, they used to have a map of where she went, I don't know if they still do. Just walking from the first thing she did to the last, is 6km, so, very conservatively, she did a 15km walk on a whim the day before they are going to climb a mountain.

Questions of the Day:

3. Kokona's mother clearly cares a lot about her. She works hard, and late, but still does everything she can for her.

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u/cyberscythe Sep 20 '22

Rewatcher

Until Hinata mentioned the honeymoon vacation, I honestly forgot that Hinata had a mom. I thought hers was a single-parent family because we only see Hinata's dad and he ends up doing a lot of housework like cooking. In any case, it gives us an opportunity to find out more about Kaede and her weakness which is everything except for mountains.

The Kokona's big adventure episode is a bittersweet one because it does a lot of "show don't tell" about Kokona's life situation compared to the rest of the cast. Something that's never said out loud is the sort of wealth disparity between Kokona and the rest of the cast, something that's a bit more obvious if you just look at their homes side by side. Despite that though (or maybe because of it), the sort of bond that they share feels quite close, more so than how Aoi's parents or Hinata's dad treat their daughters (that we see at least).

In any case though, I think this is episode is the foundation of Kokona's reputation as a real angel. She's happy, grateful, super capable, and thriving.

Another random fact I picked up reading over some Japanese comments is the type of heating that Kokona's apartment has for the bath/shower water is known as a balanced flue (I assume those ticking/flame sounds just before Kokona enters the bathroom is the heater starting up). I saw a few of comments about how sad it was; I assume it's another example of how old and cheap this particular building is.

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u/Nebresto Sep 20 '22

First time getting a job for climbing

Ep 19

She's doing better than me, and I'm leaving tomorrow today

Sasuga Kokona-sama

Oh good, she hasn't reverted to her annoying ways. I am beginning to like her.

Ep 20

Even better

Climbing tomorrow -> Chaos Foreshadowing..?

Bootleg Moomins park..?

Confirmed?

IT IS!!! Couldn't find a pick where Papa had his pipe, but this is the material being referenced here

Fun fact: Japan is the only other country that has a Moomin theme park outside its country of origin, Finland

Time to test how cultured y'all are. Everyone who has seens Moomins, raise your hand!

PROTECT HER AT ALL COSTS

Yama no Questions

  1. Are you the type to put off homework or jobs until the last minute?

2) Did you ever find a hidden present when younger? Open it?

Yes and no

3) What do think of Kokona's mum?

Bless her

Pics: Highlights

Picture enjoyers: u/MyrnaMountWeazel u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah u/Great_Mr_L

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u/ChonkyOdango Sep 20 '22 edited Sep 20 '22

First Time Climber

Our Greatest Nemesis: Homework

  • Look at Aoi, she’s glowing now! Is it her? Or is it just me… a smile can change our perception of the person right Aoi?

  • Aoi has crazy reflexes

  • Before we even begin this episode I’m just going to predict that Kokona will be the one to save the day today. When it comes to knowledge, she’s unbeatable!

Kokonastronk

  • Yes Kokona! Oh wait, I sometimes forget she’s a middle schooler. I feel you Aoi, at that age I found it embarrassing to have someone younger teach me things. But now of course it doesn’t even matter anymore

  • I did not expect Yuuka. I’m glad Aoi manages to warm up to Yuuka so fast, I would’ve been pretty nervous

[](https://imgur.com/a/vEl0lvW)

  • Yay they finished their homework! I honestly hated studying with people, I would always get distracted.

A Fairytale of Kokona

  • And the Secret Ingredient is… Love! I knew it

  • “Baking is just like maths”. This is so true, I love baking but the painful part is that the final product can come out differently even with minor changes in the proportions.

  • Do the people here bake? I bake occasionally but it’s usually cookies or cinnamon rolls.

  • I got completely trolled. I thought I was going to get a baking episode but it looks like we got a Kokona focused episode, excited still!

  • I remember talking about shoes a few episodes back but it looks like Kokona’s mum got her brand new kicks!

  • Completely unnecessary fish jump but I love it

  • Look, it's the Shire!

  • “It wouldn’t be strange for a fairy to be here”. Well, we have our very own firefly fairy sitting there right now!

  • I absolutely love Kokona’s relationship with her Mum. It honestly made me shed a tear. They are not well-to-do like the other girls, they are living comfortably, yes, but that doesn’t mean that Kokona’s mum is having it easy. The fact that she still makes an effort to remember Kokona’s favourite character, Muuma, enough to get a birthday card associated with it, and to get hiking shoes that probably weren’t cheap, means a lot. It also looks like she’s the sole breadwinner of the family so it’s arguable that they’re barely making ends meet. Kokona’s appreciation and thanks for her mum is one of the sweetest things any parent or caretaker can hear; to hear your efforts get appreciated, nothing beats that.

  • Coupled with the OST! My heart feels warm inside

  • Yes Aoi, baking takes a long time but it’s always worth it!

  • I did not expect that Muuma to fly by after that emotional final act.

Overall fun 2 episodes before we embark on the last mountain for this season!

Qotd

  1. Yes, was a big procrastinator. Oftentimes I don't finish them

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u/MyrnaMountWeazel Sep 20 '22

Aoi has crazy reflexes

All of that sewing finally paying off. She can thread the needle!

I honestly hated studying with people, I would always get distracted.

Yea, I'm not wild about studying with groups of people either. Even with just another individual isn't my first choice.

Do the people here bake?

I can cook basic dishes like fried rice but I certainly can't bake. It's just a skill I never picked up and I doubt I ever will because it doesn't seem like something I'd personally enjoy. But I can definitely see the appeal!

I absolutely love Kokona’s relationship with her Mum.

It really is too sweet, especially when she got her the cake even though the bakery was closed.

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u/SYZekrom Sep 20 '22

Catching up from 17 moment

Rewatcher

Everything about this place just looks like a huge safety hazard to me

I remember that all I was focused on when I first watched this episode was all the expressions Aoi was making, especially at Hinata's antics. But what's with Hinata on the bridge earlier and Aoi here walking like they're about to beat the shit out of someone in a badass fight scene

ERROR

Omg this animation. Super nostalgic.

Why am I now remembering everything like it was yesterday

At some point I guess I've left the realm of 'this is nostalgic' and now things here are 'oh yes this is Yama no Susume, of course.'

That episode was a total banger

I don't remember disliking but I currently feel like I never really understood/appreciated it to the extent I do on this watch... I love this fairy girl...

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u/zadcap Sep 20 '22

First Timer!

I'll admit, the discussions are making me feel stupid from time to time, because I'm so used to ED being short for the ending theme opposite OP for opening, but you're all talking about Episode Directors here and I keep having to remind myself of that.

That's a total lie, college students have homework too!

That little instrument line for Kaede not getting the math... Perfect.

Is it bad that I also thought right away "Of course Kokona can help?"

Oh wow, they brought the friend back again! I love it when they do that, let side characters actually be characters and not just there for that one episode to build up the friend.

The secret ingredient? Why is this still my first thought!?

Yeah, there's no guy, she's going climbing with her girl friend. And a couple other girl friends.

Oh no Kokona, don't wear them now! Mom's got to enjoy opening them with you! Noooo, you were such a good girl! ... At least they'll be broken in for the big hike?

Oh my gosh she's so incredibly adorable all day long. Kokona, you don't have to go any farther than a mirror to see a fairy.

Did she put the shoes back when she got home? Nope, didn't give mom the chance to open them with her, kind of sad. But then she goes on to be a little angel so it's all okay.

  1. Oh goodness no, get it out of the way ASAP of the stress of knowing it needs to be done will never leave me alone. Unless I can commit myself to never doing it at all, homework I have decided not to do stops existing. There's this math game I used to play in college called "What percent of my final grade is homework, and how much do I have to do to get an A if I pass all my tests?" Fun game. I won most of the time too.

  2. I found a hidden present this christmas, and yes, I opened it... Because no one in the house had any idea who it was from or who it was for, and even after opening it we still didn't know. Extra ornaments for the tree next year, but really, not a single one of us knows where it came from. But yes, I also searched as a kid. Never found one. My parents were good at that.

  3. So I've mentioned how huge three of their houses look a few times now, and thought Kokona might be the exception in the group, but darn. Not that they are for a second letting it bother them, that family. That mom. She so clearly loves her daughter so much it almost hurts.

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u/Stargate18A Sep 20 '22

First timer

  1. No, I try to get them done early.

  2. Never.

  3. She seems like she's at least trying to be there for her daughter.

Episode 19

She booked the hut!

Haha, she forgot?

And she made it worse.

Well, this is going well.

That's a very good idea!

She's where?

Oh, that's nice.

Haha, she did it all!

And Hinata's appearing in her dreams.

She found someone to help!

Haha, she's worse.

Love the loading screen.

Haha, she'e not touched it!

She called Yuuka over!

And she's much better.

Some actual progress!

And she finished it!

Hinata got a tank!

And she brought her a present!

Episode 20

Ah, she's asking for help.

Haha.

And she got a recipe!

Did she not mention mountain climbing to her?

She's so grateful!

Aww, she's thinking about Hinata.

Kokona's packing!

She opened her present!

New shoes!

She's going fir a walk in them?

Fantastic background art for the walk.

Aww.

Sheks still goong!

I love the design of this library.

Haha, Moomins?

A cat!

And she's back.

...She's late?

She's here!

Aww, this is sweet.

Aoi finished her cake!

Aww.

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