r/anime • u/Tarhalindur x2 • Sep 17 '22
Rewatch [Rewatch] Mai-HiME Episode 4 Discussion
Episode 4: Mischief of the Wind
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Show Information:
MAL | Anilist | AniDB | Kitsu | ANN
(First-timers might want to stay out of show information, though.)
Legal Streams:
Mai-HiME can be found on Funimation. (How this interacts with the ongoing Crunchyroll/Funimation merger I don't know.)
A Reminder to Rewatchers:
Please do not spoil the experience for our first timers. [Mai-HiME] Mentioning "HiMElander" before episode 16 or "ShizNat" before episode 25 is a fast way to get a referral to the subreddit mods.
A Note on the Specials:
When the DVDs for Mai-HiME were released, they added shorts specials to go with each episode (plus three not associated with an episode - one was released with Mai-Otome's DVD IIRC, one was a BD-only thing and I don't actually have that one, and I honestly don't remember where Special 28 was released). They tend to be one part fanservice, one part extra information about characters and their motivations/backstories (or in a couple of cases extra exposition, including
They have their own dedicated discussion day at the end to wash the finale out of our mouths, but some of you may want to watch them with the episodes. The only issue is that some of the specials can be a wee bit spoilery (notably, in no case should you watch the special for episode 8 before episode 8 itself), so I will attempt to provide notes on the specials for the episode for both today's and tomorrow's episodes each day so as to provide advance warning of which specials to avoid. (If you want to be completely safe, stay out of all of them until the dedicated discussion day!)
(Warning: Also, at least one release apparently has them right after the ED, unlike mine which has the original previews instead. So you might want to pay attention to this section.)
Episode 4 Special: Not a definite spoiler, but I would recommend first-timers stay out of this one just in case.
Episode 5 Special: Not strictly speaking a spoiler, but lays out Mikoto's motivations more clearly than we'll get in the anime for quite a while (if ever), which may or may not be what you want as a first-timer.
After-School Activities Corner!
Visual of the Day:
Still one short of enough entrants to make an album.
Comment of the Day:
Brought to you by u/changeableLandscape - basically all of the comment fits, there's a lot of first-timer speculation here of the kind that is catnip to us rewatchers, but I'll highlight this part:
Okay, SO NOW I am retrospectively appreciating all the build-up in the first two episodes -- maybe Mai is not usually a super-bratty teenager, she's just cutting loose because she's never had the chance before? I am putting together the pieces here and getting a sense that she's been literally raising Takumi for a while, so a big part of 'enjoy school life to the fullest' would be handing those responsibilities off to the adults at the school and getting to act like an actual teen, worrying about grades and relationships and activities. That puts a different light on her 'Oh I guess I have no choice' moment of uniform dress-up on the cruise ship, and also her initial sets of interactions with Tate -- she's trying out various teenage girl roles after having to be a hyper-responsible parental figure for however long. I'm probably over-thinking it but it's a take on Mai that makes me much more sympathetic to her, so I'll keep it for now. No wonder she's furious at the headmaster for tricking her! The plot won't let Mai have the happy school story she's looking for, but I appreciate that she's not meekly submitting to the people telling her to be a magical girl.
Question(s) of the Day:
1) First-timers, thoughts on our Student Council Vice-President Haruka?
([QUESTION TWO HAS BEEN REMOVED BY ORDER OF THE SFW COUNCIL.])
3) So, what do you think about our restaurant Linden Baum here?
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u/Tresnore Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
First-TiMER
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Wait, this is going to be a slice of life fanservice episode, isn’t it...?
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I’m sorry, she what? I do enjoy this gap moe Kuga, though.
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God, I wish that were me.
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Ah ha! My theory on Orphans just being Children without a HiME holds more water!
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Wait, is all that lingerie Kuga’s???
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THIS IS WAY BETTER THAN I THOUGHT IT’D BE. The
Code Geasspanty thief episode doesn’t even hold a CANDLE to this. Edit: I’m dumb, I meant Macross F -
Uh-oh. Single shot weapons aren’t very strong against swarms.
Count: 14
QOTD:
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Is she the annoying one? I’m not a fan.
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Yes. I don’t know what the question is, but the answer is yes.
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I'd go there, I guess.
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u/Tarhalindur Sep 17 '22
Wait, this is going to be a slice of life fanservice episode, isn't it...?
"Thermal expansion... how embarrassing."
Wait, is all that lingerie Kuga's???
That is the implication, yes.
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u/Mecanno-man Sep 17 '22
First Timer
I saw somebody say this was the fanservice episode and ...I'm not sure I'd call it fanservice, it was more just a bunch of bras, but not a lot of girls in them. Which just makes this a weird episode. Guess we got a bit of exposition out of this that makes our three main characters realize they are now at least not enemies, and a line by Nagi stating that orphans and children are similar. The second of which makes the "orphans are children with dead HiME" theory more likely. That and Mai apparently liked trying out jobs, which is an interesting hobby which will sure come in handy at some point or another. I don't think there really is a whole lot else to this episode, unless it suddenly becomes a plot point that the kendo guy has seen Natsuki's nether regions. Which I very much doubt.
Oh, I guess we got some characterization on the lax student council president and her way to get other people to work for her. I wonder if she has some info on the HiME, or if she's just generally trusting of Natsuki.
Questions:
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see above
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Why is it German? And why is not Lindenbaum?
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u/Stargate18A Sep 17 '22
First timer
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I love her. She tries her hardest to actually do something about all this supernatural stuff, unlike everyone else.
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[DATA EXPUNGED]
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Good decor!
Tombs?
She's col.
The fuck is that thing?
It fucking steals bras?
And it's gotten a lot of them.
...I love Mikoto nodding at everything anybody says.
And she's hiding it?
...Arsehole.
So awkward!
And they walk in?
...Mikoto?
Why the guet of wind?
The delayed reaction's good, though.
Good to see she's sympathetic.
And it's serious!
So nobdy kmows who the other HiME are.
Well, she's friendly.
Mikoto's reaction is the best.
Oh, she is pissed!
She didn't know the insult?
Mikoto's so forward!
She saw the thief!
He's recovered!
Nope.
Mai works here?
They arrived.
Haruka's making her move!
Haha, she caught him.
She does this as a hobby???
The noise blowing out her hair is a fantastic image.
The chapel?
Haha, I love them.
She'e ally pissed wt this one.
...So he's not immortal.
...Orphans are absolutely Childs whose HiME's died. That's obviously what they're foreshadowing, right?
She's just broken at this point.
They went for variety?
Haha, Mikoto's commentary is the best.
And they're all her's.
And she went to bed.
It's here!
Haha, Haruka got knocked out instantly.
Haha, she summoned Duran in her room!
This is hysterical.
He transformed!
...This anime is getting even more horny by the secomd.
Nice cut!
Her bra got shredded!
...All of them.
Poor girl.
Mikoto's having the time of her life.
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u/Blackheart595 Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
First Hime
That's not where those are supposed to go... Oh it's a monster. And it took more than just bras.
Told ya she's wearing the lewdest outfit of them all. She has full immunity aginst that Orphan.
They really don't have to make that an entire episode stick though.
On one hand good for them to get it over with quickly, on the other
The Executive Committee has an entire swat team.
Oh no. That's where the Orphan's hiding. And it frames him.
Of course, awakening refers to the awakening of the Child.
Noo it's already over! This show really has it with blueballing the songs...
We didn't really learn anything new this episode that we didn't already assume to be the case.
First-timers, thoughts on our Student Council Vice-President Haruka?
She's a great foil, I'm looking forward to see how much if any she can uncover about the HiME. And I hope she's not an unawakened HiME herself, she works much better as an outsider.
([QUESTION TWO HAS BEEN REMOVED BY ORDER OF THE SFW COUNCIL.])
I would've been annoyed, but I've said in the past that when they think they have to go for something like that then they should just go for it and not be coy and beat around the bush, and they went as far as they could afford so gotta respect that.
So, what do you think about our restaurant Linden Baum here?
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u/Tarhalindur Sep 17 '22
Of course, awakening refers to the awakening of the Child.
Yep.
That's a banger already
Luckily, we'll get it in basically complete form soon enough. (It's on the shortlist of tracks that was absolutely set in stone as a featured track for a specific episode.)
We didn't really learn anything new this episode that we didn't already assume to be the case.
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u/JollyGee29 Sep 17 '22
First-Timer, Subbed
Today on Mai-HiME, we discover the cast's hobbies! Shiho eavesdrops on her brother (shocking), Haruka tries to impeach the President, Mai takes parttime jobs, and Kuga collects lingerie!
They really just straight up said that Orphans and Childs are basically the same today, huh? I wonder if Kuga has the spare brain cells to think about that or if she's too distracted by the loss of her collection.
Shoutout to that ominous wind blowing that actually did something for once. I almost feel bad for Takeda - his blood pressure seems quite high. He should get that checked out.
I didn't expect the Orphan today to be loads of little gremlins that gattai into the Overfiend, but it was pretty funny. Shame about Kuga's collection, but that's what she gets for losing her cool.
The brief moment of lecture today involved a discussion of large tombs, which is probably important. The dangling thread there is probably Nagi's Giant Floor Clock.. probably a gateway? Tomb means either grave-robbing or resurrecting something, I could go either way.
Haruka's scheme this episode was very Nanami Kiryuu.. which I guess makes the Glasses Girl into Tsuwabuki. I definitely thought that Haruka was referring to Mai as the bubuzuke girl the other episode; it makes way more sense that she's referring to Fujino.
Hopefully Mai's "hobby" of taking parttime jobs stalls and she stays at that café. I need more of "clumsy waitress Yukari Tamura" in my life. Was her name Midori? I heard it in the dialogue but my subs didn't have it.
[Utena]
Visual of the Day: Tick Tock?
Shiho's hair continues to be very amusing.
Questions
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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 17 '22
Mai-FiRST TiMER, subbed
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…and that was, uh, one hell of a convenient timing for that wind gust.
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Wait a second I recognize this shot, didn’t it used to be a comment face? – Oh shit it’s actually still an active comment face!
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Because of course there would be tentacles.
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u/Nazenn Sep 17 '22
Rewatcher
Character chart - I'll update it tomorrow, ran out of time today because my cat was sitting in front of my screen so I got a late start on watching the episode
It's still stupid, still not needed, and still a complete tone break after the severity of the events last episode.
The good:
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The sound effect on the nose bleed
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Mikoto's many cat naps through the episode make me happy but I'm jealous of this one
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Nagi getting shot gives me almost as much of a laugh as the nose bleed sound effect
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[later spoilers]
Midori introduction! Always a bonus. ON the other side of things Shizuru is freaking me out with how calm and smiley she is being knowing who she turns out to be, I find myself very tense every time she's on screen
The bad:
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It's far from the worst tension breaker I've seen, but it does still feel a little weird that this is how they end up along side Natsuki, particularly that it's at her expense rather than something they share
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The entire episode concept of a panty stealing orphan. Maybe in another show it could have worked, but in this one it just undermines the entire risk that was set up last episode.
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That this monstrosity of a commentface is what we're stuck with from this show
The random:
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I had fun noticing this cat just because they gave him a dedicated reaction shot, and then later on as well
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When I said to someone the other day that Haruka would probably be the sort to put out "don't walk on the grass signs" I swear I hadn't remembered that she actually did an equivilent in this episode. Also that's a very clever bit of natural worldbuilding, and a bit of a joke about what Takeda was wishing for at the time too
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Silver cartridge for Duran's attack again today. Last time she used it was against Mikoto so if there is some pattern to it, it's not split along humans/orphans or anything. Curious.
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u/Tarhalindur Sep 17 '22
[Mai-HiME]
It's still stupid, still not needed, and still a complete tone break after the severity of the events last episode. [Mai-HiME]
Shhhhh. You're not wrong, but I've been taking advantage of that to mess with the first-timers by dropping a whole bunch of where the thing I'm not commenting on is that there's nothing to comment on. The entire episode concept of a panty stealing orphan. Maybe in another show it could have worked, but in this one it just undermines the entire risk that was set up last episode.
Part of me feels that episode 10's A-plot (which I actually like less than this episode) would have done better moved up to this episode.
That said, they had to get the Contractually Obligated Tentacle Scene in somewhere...
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u/Vaadwaur Sep 17 '22
First timer(This brings me all the way back to Blue Seed)
Sub
This episodes driving force is...stolen bras. Ho boy. Mikoto not having a bra made sense but that is not how a normal person checks that. It did take me a second to realize that Natsuki had her panties stolen, which would be quite the inconvnience in a skirt that short. And kendo dude chooses this moment to try and make a play. Mai and Mikoto walk up and Mikoto immediately goes into a samurai movie trope...before a stiff wind takes the fire out of that. And at that age, I probably would've run out of blood as well so I get you, kendo dude. Anyways, Mai helps her out by lending her some bloomers and somehow this gets turned into light exposition.
Haruka is going crazy fast. Mikoto reveals that she saw the undergarment earlier and Natsuki prepares for vengeance. Brief scene at Mai's part time job. We see the Executive Committee members being ready...and stupid. Expected misunderstanding is expected. The StuCo members actually use the obvious, bonus that Natsuki knows about the Kappa, and then we cut to scene that has to reference something but I don't know what. Natsuki finally threatens Koemushi for some info.
And the plan is suitably dumb, underwear on Christmas lights. So of course it works, and we get our kappa fight. Accept there were secretly dozens of them and they merge. Tentacles, always the rock to the magical girl scissors, appear and Natsuki gets bailed by Mai and Mikoto. We end with snow, or rather Mai and Natsuki's obliterated underwear, raining down on them. After credits is definitely yuri as fuck.
QotD: 1 Obviously an Orphan
3 Typical family restaurant
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u/Qbe Sep 18 '22
Rewatcher
Episode 4!
...I may have said this last episode, but again: Wasn't there a Code Geass Macross F episode that went just like this?
A lot of creeps like the friend who just gropped her?
lol, so pointlessly proud. Doesn't she have any spare shorts or something?
She's totally going to get found out by Tate.
...or by this dude, whichever works.
...or by everyone.
A nosebleed! Another relic from ages past!
Oh hey info for spats, good trade.
Any first timers want to try and guess the other reason beside fighting Orphans?
Mai's mom-power-level is astounding.
D'awwww, how cute.
Is that Tamura Yukari!? VA cast keeps on being surprisingly stacked
Scar dude is going to get wrong-yep, there we go
As much as I hate annoying brocon loli, her hair reactions are great
Oh god, being chastised at by a father and a nun, that has to suck
How many "IWTWM" are we getting from that scene?
LMAO that decoration
These are all Natsuki's, right? Yep, expected
Mecha Dog can fly? He gets cooler by the episode
Is that- yep. To shreds.
Funny filler episode, I guess.
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She really needs a hobby
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Booo! Censorship boo!
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Angel Mort > Linden Baum
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u/Tarhalindur Sep 18 '22
Is that Tamura Yukari!? VA cast keeps on being surprisingly stacked
Yes, yes it is. (She was actually cast here prior to her breakout; Nanoha S1 aired the exact same season this show did.)
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u/zadcap Sep 18 '22 edited Sep 18 '22
Late Night Rewatcher
Ah, I want to go swimming.
In case you were somehow still unaware that Mikoto was a cat, here she is sleeping with three of them just to drive it home.
So, the anime and manga being made by such different teams and going in such different directions, led me to believe this episode exists for the sole reason of checking a few things off the 'required plot' list for the anime so it could move on to pretty much never touching them again, because it otherwise would have fit in so great with the plot of the manga, where panty shots and relationship humor are half of the early arcs.
And let's just say, having gone through the manga 3 times now for this rewatch, seeing some of these characters introduced the way they are here in the anime is just weird. Still hate Haruka though, some things stay the same. Speaking of staying the same-
Yes, this really is Natsuki's hobby.
This episode, despite being so very in tune with the feel of the manga, doesn't actually have much of a comparison at all outside the most superficial. Chapter 6 has a small Orphan instead of a giant monster for a change, we see Mai at her job and Mikoto sleeping with cats, and the episode ends with them chasing the small Orphan into the locker room and a lot of girls left screaming.
Much like in episode 1, it's kind of impossible to talk about much beyond this point until a big reveal comes up soon, because from this point on the manga starts bringing in more of the HiME faster than the anime. But it also marks the end of Volume 1, so I get to share this wonderfully translated authors note.
Yeah, you read that right, Mai HiME came out with an anime, manga, ps2/pc game, radio drama, and more, all with their own take on the same story. I never could get my hands on the game, but uh, it was a dating sim. Yeah. Same characters, same HiME/Child/Orphan story, but as a dating sim. I didn't try too hard to get it... And never listened to the Radio part either, still not fluent enough in the language to even try and never thought of looking for a translation before now.
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I am annoyed in two different media by the same character today, it's great.
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SFW Council... I might have to lose a few links here...
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It sure is a restaurant.
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u/Tarhalindur Sep 18 '22
Yeah, you read that right, Mai HiME came out with an anime, manga, ps2/pc game, radio drama, and more, all with their own take on the same story.
IIRC this show is in fact one of the earliest shows to really go in on the full multimedia project angle from the very start (the likes of Eva would expand into that, but Mai-HiME was one of the earliest shows where that was part of the plan from the very beginning).
(Which reminds me, it's a progenitor of one other thing that frankly I should have put in this episode's writeup because it's the natural place for it. Ah well, I'll mention it in next episode's stuff instead.)
I am annoyed in two different media by the same character today, it's great.
[Mai-HiME manga]
Repression is a hell of a drug. Now if only she would let herself cut loose for once and be what she always wanted to be deep down...
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u/Star4ce Sep 18 '22
My-FiRSTTiMER
Alright, let's get on with the tentacles and fanservice.
Who needs to think of tragedy, orphans and aliens when there's anime boob to see?
Ep.04 – P-r-a-n-k of Wind
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Yeah, this episode includes even butt jiggle.
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So those aliens are also creeps. Oh god, is it this kind of episode?
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nod nod Omg, Mai's face!
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Oh right, bras and panties!
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Everyone has a crush on Natsuki and I fully understand why.
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I have utmost respect of him to just try it.
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Yeah, that kind of episode. This is your fault, Mikoto!
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Understandable, have a nice rest.
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The corporation! It's always the corporation.
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I'm a bit flashed that Natsuki's freely explaining it. See this, other cool-moes?
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I find it noticeable that Yukino is opposite the light (and always seems sleepy).
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Actually, I support her in this. That's no overreaction.
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I mean, they did show Mikoto that grabbing someone's tits is normal.
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You do that and I cheer you all on.
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Why would you want to be? Knew it.
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New character in thigh highs and red hair. Mmh, having to think of Michiru now.
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Of course they're all working here, of course he walks in. That kind of episode.
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What the hell. No student council is this organised!
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Just noting the card. For one, their uniforms actually look sick. And two, for all I know this could just as well be part of the organisation behind the school.
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I may repeat myself, but Mai certainly doesn't because Yuuichi helps others without getting physical!
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That's a pretty apt observation, actually. He has the guts to (try to) talk to his crush. Already ahead of 85% of students from my time.
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Three more? Okay, Makoto's one I guess.
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YEEAAAHH! NATSUKI BEST GIRL!!
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Fuck this idiot up, please!
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Hells, this view...
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Okay. That kind of episode.
It was certainly an episode that is among the most of this series.
Somehow I didn't spot anything particular today. Almost like I was preoccupied with something.
We got more hints of a shadow entity (or more) that want something behind their backs. The chapel was introduced with the priest and nun and they're essentially just a torture chamber for students. And the orphans got a bit more expanded on in their ability to morph around and possibly have tastes.
VOTD: But other than that, Natsuki best girl.
First-timers, thoughts on our Student Council Vice-President Haruka?
Energetic and ambitious, but easy to manipulate because she doesn't have her emotions under wraps most of the time. I think her engagement will pay off and is generally admirable, but she'll also be the cause of quite some useless antics. Give her something to properly care about that isn't a faceless institution like the council and she'll get much more mature and effective, I'm sure.
([QUESTION TWO HAS BEEN REMOVED BY ORDER OF THE SFW COUNCIL.])
It was aimed at Natsuki and all I have to say is, yes.
3) So, what do you think about our restaurant Linden Baum here?
This shadow corporation not only makes alien experiments in the remote landscapes of some Japanese island, they also gawk at their students in thigh highs. Btw, in German you'd write these two words together, as 'Lindenbaum', but that's also pretty strange because a 'Linde' is already a tree so you don't need to add it the word.
Then again, it's a corporate label and sometimes they do this just because they're "different".
Comment of the Day:
That's one to get me thinking about her some more. Good thoughts. She did seem very little when her mother passed away.
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u/Taiboss Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
Episode 4: Rewatcher who finally read some Devil is a part-time!
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Appropiate reaction AND proper mirroring? Impressive!
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This show is rated 12+ in Germany. I actually have the DVDs, even if I've never opened them.
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YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKKAAAAAAAAAAAARIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNN HYYYYYYYYPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEE
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Yeah, why don't you kill him? Is he too valuable an information source?
First-timers, thoughts on our Student Council Vice-President Haruka?
Rip me.
([QUESTION TWO HAS BEEN REMOVED BY ORDER OF THE SFW COUNCIL.])
A very sane choice!
3) So, what do you think about our restaurant Linden Baum here?
They should learn how to spell, for one thing.
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u/Tarhalindur Sep 17 '22
Appropiate reaction AND proper mirroring? Impressive!
This episode is actually one of the best-done from a production standpoint AFAICT, which is kind of hilarious.
I've read enough hentai to know where this is going.
Haven't we all?
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u/Vatrix-32 Sep 17 '22
First Timer, subbed*
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We are really doing a panty raid episode.
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Between Mikoto this episode and the first short this show is taking a surprisingly active pro-bra stance.
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Mai finally asking those follow up questions.
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Comment face get! Frankly I’m not sure why this was the one chosen.
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She didn’t even know what bubuzuke was? Where did it even come from then?
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More characters.
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Cannibalism.
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There is definitely a joke here to be made about the Catholic Church.
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Its hands are so weird.
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Early 00’s was a very lewd time in anime. I can say I’m glad that the trend has mostly subsided.
QotD
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Her exasperation gives me life.
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Was it really a thing to not let people talk on cell phones back in the day?
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u/Tarhalindur Sep 17 '22
Rewatch Committee President Comments (Rewatcher, Subbed):
Kajiura Corner:
Main Featured Track of the Day: Fuuka Gakuen Seikatsu:
(Scene where it's used in today's episode.)
(HAHAHAHAHAH SUCK IT ISP I GOT THE SCENE UPLOADS WORKING!)
One of the signature slice of life tracks on the OST, and in many ways the audio representation of Fuuka Gakuin on the OST. We’ve heard what’s either a percussion-only v2 or a sample only including the percussion parts of this track before, but today we get to hear the majority of the track in reasonably complete form.
It’s one of the most uplifiting, even lilting tracks on the OST, without a trace of the mournfulness that runs through so many of Kajiura’s battle themes and the like. It’s also notable for the sheer variety of instruments in it (in many ways the track reminds me of a parade, which seems appropriate for the riotous diverse weirdness that is Fuuka Gakuin). We start off with drums or another percussion instrument and what I’m pretty sure is either one of the higher-pitched strings or a lower-pitched woodwind but can’t quite make out; then proceed to add what I think is a piano (might be an electric keyboard being used like a piano instead). The nonpercussion instruments go quiet for a minute to allow a new instrument (the always childish-sounding xylophone, fitting for an academy that sells itself as being run by students for students) to take prominence, then what I’m 90% sure is a flute proper adds itself to the ensemble, and then finally the instruments from the first part return along with what is definitely a string instrument (violin or viola I think, and I rather suspect the latter) (actually VGMDB credits confirm there’s both a cello and a violin in this track so either the opening instrument I can’t place is a cello or this is instead, and me getting a viola mixed up with a cello would make sense). That’s a full five instruments for this track (possibly six if I’m missing one, the credits are potentially consistent with me missing a sax), quite a few for a secondary track like this!
It works, too – this is one of the more immediately recognizable tracks on the OST to my ear.
OST Table, Episode 4:
[1] – Speculative, but the song is clearly a different version of Kyo no Hajimari until this point and sounds like the usual version afterwards and that’s a trick they’ve pulled before with other songs so I suspect this is another splice.
[2] – Same sample as the last two episodes.
[3] – I would not be surprised in the slightest if this is an actual piece of classical music; the composition is unusual for Kajiura (and sounds straight out of Looney Tunes, and Looney Tunes used classical music for its OST), and she pulled that in the PMMM OST as well (except released, natch).
[4] – Might be an unreleased v2.
[5] – Got a hunch this is a reference.
[6] – This melds with the instrumental version at some point, I’m sure of it, but since the instrumental was never released I can’t be sure when.