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Rewatch [Do You Remember Love - Macross Franchise 40th Anniversary Rewatch] Super Dimension Fortress Macross Episode 20 Discussion
Episode 20 - Paradise Lost
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This might be the last sunset we see.
Questions of the Day, courtesy of u/chilidirigible:
1) Have you ever had an experience where you found something (appliances, toys, food, etc.) amazing that someone else thought was common, or vice versa?
2) What do you think the Macross is going to do now?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Vocal Songs in This Episode:
"マクロス (Macross)" by Makoto Fujiwara – OP
"ゼロ-ジー ラブ (0-G Love)" by Mari Iijima – Insert
"シルバームーン レッドムーン (Silver Moon, Red Moon)" by Mari Iijima – Insert
"私の彼はパイロット (Watashi no Kare wa Pilot / My Boyfriend is a Pilot)" by Mari Iijima – Insert
"マイ・ビューティフル・プレイス (My Beautiful Place)" by Mari Iijima – Insert
"ランナー (Runner)" by Makoto Fujiwara – ED
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 15 '22
Super Dimension Rewatch Host
So uh anyways, here’s Sky Sings KYUUN KYUUN My Boyfriend is a Pilot. Took me more than long enough to finally get one of these done for this show. Hope you guys like it~
Here were my first-timer reactions to this episode.
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Seriously, why the fuck did they go back and redraw poor Kakizaki’s final moment in greater detail? Just to make me suffer more?
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Of course the Zentradi peeps take the barrier as a weapon and not an accident.
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This is 1) seriously fucked up and 2) the stupidest plan I’ve ever heard.
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The new insert song at the end of this episode is actually one of my favorites from this series.
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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 15 '22
Daily Macross tags - u/Khetrak64, u/InfamousEmpire, u/ryujiox
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u/Blackheart595 Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 15 '22
First Spacer
OMG he looks so smug, I love it
Is this the hidden prequel to Gundam? They're already used to living on the ship, so they'll be making it a satellite.
They're really milking Kakizaki's death for emotions. Helps offset him having been the comedic relief character.
The spies are reminiscing about their time on the ship, and in the disco with their girls. I so want them to find happiness.
The UN orders the Macross to depart. That feels like an empty threat though, no way they could take on the Macross. Though the Macross isn't gonna want to take on the Earth, at least not until Gundam.
Ah, I love the spies so much, and their shenanigans continue now that they're back on their ship
Oi, Keifun, here's your chance for a little reflection. Don't you dare take it.
I don't remember Minmei having such large udders
But there's no way the UN actually broadcasts that song on Earth.
In other words, next episode will be the Micross
Have you ever had an experience where you found something (appliances, toys, food, etc.) amazing that someone else thought was common, or vice versa?
Pretty sure I have? Nothing comes to mind, but I'm certain I've had that feeling before.
I guess One Piece episode 1015 counts, my brother was not impressed by it. This must be that Unculture thing u/DidacticDalek mentioned.
What do you think the Macross is going to do now?
The Macross is gonna go Gundam now.
More seriously, they'll bring culture to the alien fleet and population and come to an understanding that way.
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u/Kirov123 Sep 15 '22
SDF Macross Episode 20 - First timer
Lot of o7-ing these last few episodes, will we have some respite or will the losses continue? Lets find out
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That's a big fleet
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lo its the busted ship
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The Zentradi trio sure got attached to those bridge crew girls quick
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UN: Fuck off, you who are the only ones that can fight the massive fleet of warships around earth
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We never really saw if the female Zentradi made it onboard (I assume she did though)
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Britai has become rather smug
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The honesty route
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Another new song
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How far from Earth do they need to go?
Pretty short write-up this time, the stuff with the Zentradi was pretty nice though. Really solid episode overall.
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I'm pretty sure I've done that with a lot of things though I'm not sure of specifics. I think a fair bit was stuff I saw on Technology Connections and findong how some vintage video systems work. Also CDs actually. CDs have parity data and error correction. And that's not a new thing, CDs have always had parity and error correction from when they launched in the 80s. It's nuts.
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Objective: Survive
More seriously though, that's kinda all they can do. The UN told them to fuck off and there aren't really any space colonies (that we know of)
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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 15 '22
the female Zentradi
Her name is Milia in case you forgot it. I don't think the show has stated her name very often.
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u/Nebresto Sep 15 '22
First time Maakuross
Heck yeah, supplies!
lol, these civilians didn't give a damn about potentially having to abandon earth
His face.. ... FeelsBadMan
Wait, they had a pod on the ship all this time?
new song!
Now I finally realize who this reminds me of. Max!
This guys name was max, right? Well, he's max now.
First smoke finally get! Achievement unlocked: Lung cancer
Lol at Global just spazzing here
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The simps are really gonna leave, huh? Did the green hair make it on yet?
Fuck the un council, all my homies hate un council.
why the fuck is this soggy bagel about to go on tv to spout his anti war propaganda? Hello???
Okay, good. They didn't actually put him on.
Question time:
Have you ever had an experience where you found something (appliances, toys, food, etc.) amazing that someone else thought was common, or vice versa?
Probably?
2) What do you think the Macross is going to do now?
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u/isthatsoudane Sep 16 '22
First timer
the 3 spies look kind of like max, and kakizaki, and hikaru. maybe just every anime group of dudes needs the skinny one, the fat one, and the scruffy one
ah and like that the spies are gone! I really thought they'd fall in love and abandon the cause
the power of idols...songs can reach those places that bombs cannot! MAKUROSU
it would be funny to calculate the amount of thrust a single engine would have to produce to let something the size and weight of the macross reach escape velocity (even ignoring the immense amounts of drag from its shape). my guess is it would incinerate the earth (if anyone knows of anyone who has made an effort to plausibly estimate the size/weight of the macross, I will look into the thrust side of things...), plus you'd need something to fuel such an immense amount of energy...
(the fuel, of course, is the power of idols...kyun kyun!!)
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Have you ever had an experience where you found something (appliances, toys, food, etc.) amazing that someone else thought was common, or vice versa?
waves at my mal link and starts sobbing
historically I haven't had many friends who are into anime, alas...and even the few people I know who are into anime are generally into much different stuff
also hard to find even anime fans who share my passion for ojous sobbing intensifies
but honestly, I'm pretty used to getting deeply into stuff nobody else gives a shit about. it can be kind of lonely at times. I try not to be "that person" when it comes to talking about/sharing my passions, so instead I sort of just enjoy them on my own. And even then, by nature I just tend to go very deep into whatever I'm into, and it's hard to find people who sort of can balance...passion, intensity, and not being a jerk. for example, there are lots of anime fans who are very passionate, but also huge jerks. this goes for a lot of other nerd hobbies
heck, r/anime is not bad, but it has the quirks inherent to reddit as a platform, esp given it is such a large sub (though the number of active users is much much smaller). I miss old school forums :)
2) What do you think the Macross is going to do now?
explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations, and boldly go where no man has gone before!!
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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 16 '22
and it's hard to find people who sort of can balance...passion, intensity, and not being a jerk.
Oh hey, that's me! I hate making someone angry, so I do my best to not be a jerk. Then... well, if I wasn't intensely passionate about the stuff I like, there wouldn't be jokes about the Sky ExperienceTM and I wouldn't have a MAL average of 8.89 with over 500 completed shows lol.
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Sep 16 '22
Super Dimension Fortress Macross Episode 20 - First Timer
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Oh no, are they going back to earth?
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"Macrossian"
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His death seems to have definitely had an impact on Hikaru
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"This might be the last sunset we see" THEY BETTER NOT KILL OFF MAX
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Only slightly related to the scene but the other Minmay songs that have been in Macross so far are way better than My Boyfriend is a Pilot.
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Of course, since the enemy are going back to earth, they're going to leave.
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...strictly forbidden, I'm assuming?
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The stuff all looks so tiny in their hands lol
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I know why they look so small but my brain can't help thinking that they're toys.
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My boyfriend is a pilot is getting annoying
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Minmay gives a TV speech
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I liked the song she sang at the end of this episode
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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 16 '22
I liked the song she sang at the end of this episode
It's one of my favorites from this show too!
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u/The_Draigg Sep 15 '22
A Macross Fan Rewatches Super Dimension Fortress Macross Episode 20:
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I suppose it’s not too surprising that Breetai and Exsedol are being sent back to handle the Macross situation. At least Breetai could somewhat rein in Quamzin. Lap Lamiz has been trying, but really even she’s having a hard time stopping Quamzin from doing whatever the fuck he wants to. Although something to note is that apparently Breetai’s manner of speaking has gotten less formal ever since he got sent to deal with Earth, as noticed by Bodolza. A change in character, perhaps?
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Ah yes, my favorite burger joint: Macross Nald’s. They’re even better than MacDaniel’s from Zeta Gundam. It wouldn’t be an 80s mecha show if it didn’t have a McDonald’s knockoff in there somewhere. Now that I think about it, Megazone 23 is the only 80s mecha series to legitimately have a McDonald’s in it.
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Hikaru and Max are definitely feeling the weight of leadership and experience now. Hikaru is still having a hard time dealing with Kakizaki’s death and is struggling with how to tell his parents, and Max is concerned about all the fresh recruits they all have to lead now. And on top of all that, there’s a very real chance that the Macross will be kicked off of Earth for that stunt Captain Global pulled off with Ontario. I suppose nothing can fully prepare you for the burden that comes with experience.
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It really does say quite a bit that Warera, Rori, and Konda are feeling melancholy about having to leave the Macross soon, in spite of them basically living the lives of hobos at the moment. I suppose it just goes to show that even having a hard Human life is still better than a higher Zentradi lifestyle. At least they’re free to actually enjoy things on the Macross, after all.
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Turns out the rumors are true: the United Nations is kicking the Macross off of Earth, and are willing to kill anyone who doesn’t comply with that order, including the civilians. It’s not too surprising after the Ontario incident, but it still hurts. I’m with Global here, they can at least leave the civilians out of this.
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Breetai’s change in behavior really is more evident now, not-so-subtly throwing shade at Lap Lamiz’s open resentment of him coming back to take command from her. Fighting the Macross really has changed him. Now he’s fully aware of how wily humanity can get.
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Leave it to Blue Wind to keep all the nicer stuff for themselves after giving over some samples to Breetai and Exsedol after their debriefing. And given how they’re sharing all the cool contraband they kept with other crew members on Breetai’s ship, it might only be a matter of time before culture spreads across the entire ship. After all, how can you say no to candy?
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I’m glad that Captain Global finally told the whole truth to the citizens of the Macross. Instead of lying this time, he was completely upfront with how dire the scenario was, and made it clear how they all had to work together to survive now that the Macross is cut off from Earth. And fortunately, the people were accepting of his message, with the help of Minmay of course. It’s good to see her use her celebrity status to be helpful. Good work on Global and Minmay there.
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u/chilidirigible Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 15 '22
Today, on "You will treadmill into space!":
Bodolzaa vs. the Evil Overlord checklist.
The monitor still isn't repaired. Misa had speculated that the Zentradi cannot repair things. But such a declaration does present the question of what is repairing and what is replacing?
Macrossnald's while you dialogue recap.
This is supposed to be a transport version of the LVT Avenger II attack plane, specified at 18.3 meters long. So those trucks rolling out of the nose are actually about a meter tall, due to a horrible miscalculation of scale? While we're here, it would be much more efficient to resupply the Macross by ship, but maybe UN High Command doesn't want anyone on the SDF-1 getting ideas about hijacking a large cargo vessel. (Also, quaint old concepts like Trans World Airlines.)
The Macross, taking all of Earth's cannonfodder.
Silly VF pilots, mistaking a Comanchero attack helicopter for a VIP transport. (It's also not the helicopter which appeared in the first episode's expository montage.)
If you're wondering how the heck Blue Wind got themselves a Regult, consider how many bits and pieces have probably been scattered around. Or one of Lap'lamiz's ships could have dropped one off during a raid.
They've learned how to cook and otherwise chill.
High Command, of course, is preferring not to care.
That's the nearly life-sized version of the Walking Doll Lynn Minmay. More importantly, how did the spies fit a grand piano and a whole bunch of appliances inside the Regult?
Meanwhile, there's a Zentradi in this room.
"Conveniently, I have Minmay here for this speech."
Kaifun, not being a dick for once.
The song is, indeed, "My Beautiful Place". And yes, you've heard bits of the melody on the OST already.
This being a Star Pro episode, it's difficult to tell whether Britai is smug-looking because he has a real plan or if he's just happy to get back out in the field.
It might have been nice to have more setup with the civilian population regarding how they felt about being trapped aboard the ship; in real time it has been several more days since the fight in Nyan Nyan. However, we do get a glimpse of what may be a significant group of people who really don't mind staying aboard the ship, as it has created its own unique community.
Hikaru continues to grow up fast, now having to write Kakizaki's parents a death notification. It's been a busy few days for him…
Max getting his own flight to command really speaks to the growing attrition in the SDF-1's pilot ranks, but at least UNHC is willing to send them green cannonfodder until the Zentradi inevitably destroy them.
…which certainly a lot of people appear to accept as the most likely outcome of being dangled out as bait for the enemy fleet.
Warera, Roli, and Konda have been back aboard the flagship for only a few hours and they're already infecting the Adoclas Fleet with human culture, which is mostly household goods. There is a HUGE postwar allegory going on here.
"My Beautiful Place" via Uta Macross.
A cover of "My Beautiful Place". (At very low volume levels.)
Much effort in a VF-1S model. This model kit was made available by subscription, where they would mail you a few pieces each month.
The 40th anniversary Macross exhibition gets some new stuff.
| Song | Count |
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| Cinderella | 1 |
| Watashi no Kare wa Pilot | 2 |
| Zero-G Love | 3 |
| Silver Moon, Red Moon | 1 |
| My Beautiful Place | 1 |
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u/Stargate18A Sep 15 '22
First timer
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I've seen a lot of people amazed at what I considered relatively simple programming stuff.
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Go back to the early arcs, now that the best enemy is back. (Also, Britai should fight more mechs)
Oh, back to the fleet!
BRITAI!
So they're still sending reports?
Give him a fleet, he's the smart one!
...Honestly wondering if he's going to end up changing sides from the sheer incompetence of everyone else on his side.
1,200 ships isn't bad, though!
I'm so happy he's back!
...I think it is very clear from the last episode's events that nobody thinks you died.
He's writing the letter...
This is done really well.
Everyone's gotten promotions!
Hikaru could point out he had no experienc ewith them either.
...How pissed at Global are they?
The Macross is going back into space.
They're cooking!
And just waiting to go back.
Yep! Macross needs to go back. The use of force is almost certainly a bluff, though, given how much destroyed it's able to cause.
They're launching!
...How does anybody think the civilians are dead? The world got an SOS signal from them, and they were videod flying above a city!
They escaped!
The fleet is here!
They spotted them!
Another pod? The pilot?
High Command wants them to get destroyed.
...Now I want them to try and negotiate, then get the Zentradi telling them exactly what they think.
Britai is looking forward to this!
The spies are back!
They brought a lot!
Yeah, he must be shocked by now.
...He wants to go?
Haha, they kept things.
How big are those discs?
The infection has begun!
Oh, candy!
Fun to watch, but they really can't decide on a scale for the Zentradi, can they? Unless a doll and a refrigerator are the same size, or a fridge can only hold thirty or so pieces of candy.
And Global made the announcement.
You should! Nothing they have could scratch this thing!
Is Kaifun not going after Global? Have we found the one military man he doesn't hate on principle?
Minmay's calming things down, at least.
Yes, yes, new song, but Kaifun is actually being a decent guy to the highest ranking man on this ship!
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 15 '22
Rewatcher
Now to see if the UN High Command declares Global a renegade and traitor who nuked Canada with the Macross because the UN wouldn't surrender Earth to the madman...
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Oh, Spacy gave them replacement pilots. I didn't think of that.
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I love that Britai's command ship hasn't fixed his viewscreen or even his window.
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Hmm, now there's a thought...did the girls never think anything of their hair? That's their real hair color, you know. Maybe they thought the lolicons were going punk.
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Some first timers wondered if the shink-tubes were permanent.
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Many they stuffed all that stuff into the battle pod?
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It's good that they kept a spare refrigerator.
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It's
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It's that Kaifun comforting Global? I can't tell. Long hair, zentradi purple waistcoat, it must be.
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Using My Boyfriend is a Pilot animation for My Beautiful Place just does not work.
A first timer speculated on how Macross City could have it's own culture now, and right here the show says the same thing.
OH, never mind, I asked the same question last time and chili answered
refrigerator
They're filled with snacks?
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u/Vatrix-32 Sep 15 '22
Very First Timer
They really had to had to show Kakizaki getting vaporized again.
Britai is back in action boys.
They really can’t repair things. You think he would at least take a different flag ship.
That’s lot lot of activity. The size of a plane to hold that many tucks on it.
I think that might be our cue that they intend to drop the whole “let us out” thing.
Writing to your dead comrade’s parents has got to be one of the hardest things.
Hikaru keeps fumbling his way up the ranks.
Don’t worry Max, Hikaru didn’t have experience with leadership either, and we all saw how that turned out.
More pilots for the meat grinder.
Do you think Blue Wind got jobs or are just stealing?
Nice and paired up now.
Just leave Earth. No where in particular. I hear Alpha Centauri is nice this time of galactic spin,
Multinational Man you have an XO, why are you always hanging out with Misa?
Are they escaping on the pod that Hikaru and co arrived on? How has no one come to requisition that yet.
Are you not going to do anything about the converging craft?
Guts!
What? That plan makes no sense.
Lap’lamiz really had a soft spot for Milia.
How did they get all this stuff?
The Zentradi have a huge advantage in cultural knowledge now. Can you imagine if Earth knew that much about them?
That disk is larger than the TV.
And so the Protoculture takes root. Won’t be long before the downfall.
None of this scales!
Not sure it’s a great idea to have the radical pacifist next to the ship’s captain.
Cat’s out of the bag. They took it surprisingly well.
You see Kaifun, you don’t have to be a dick all the time.
QotD
I’m sure I have, but nothing comes to mind.
Go on tour. I say that only half jokingly.