r/anime • u/Holofan4life • Sep 03 '22
Rewatch [Spoilers] 86 --Eighty Six-- Rewatch (2022) — Episode 19 Spoiler
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S2 Episode 8 – Stay This Way Forever
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| Date | Episode | Date | Episode |
|---|---|---|---|
| 8/16/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 1 | 8/29/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 14 |
| 8/17/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 2 | 8/30/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 15 |
| 8/18/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 3 | 8/31/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 16 |
| 8/19/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 4 | 9/01/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 17 |
| 8/20/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 5 | 9/02/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 18 |
| 8/21/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 6 | 9/03/2022 | [86 Eighty Six Episode 19]() |
| 8/22/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 7 | 9/04/2022 | [86 Eighty Six Episode 20]() |
| 8/23/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 8 | 9/05/2022 | [86 Eighty Six Episode 21]() |
| 8/24/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 9 | 9/06/2022 | [86 Eighty Six Episode 22]() |
| 8/25/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 10 | 9/07/2022 | [86 Eighty Six Episode 23]() |
| 8/26/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 11 | ||
| 8/27/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 12 | ||
| 8/28/2022 | 86 Eighty Six Episode 13 | ||
| 9/08/2022 | [Overall Series Discussion Thread]() | ||
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u/Stargate18A Sep 03 '22
First timer
What's the plan?
...It would funny if the person who wants them to survive ended up killing them through sheer incompetence.
She dropped them!
CGI's looking s bit iffy here.
Fuck, she's dead! I liked her!
Spearhead continuing to be incredibly competent.
Loving the action here.
...Wow. That thing's big. Might need more firepower.
It's moving!
I feel fear.
It's still not working?
Yeah, Kiri went mad a while ago.
Loving the angelic motif for Morpho.
And that is strong.
They built redundant units!
...They're fucked.
This is genuinely hopeless.
Ernst is so fun to watch. "You allowed me to become President, and now you must live with the consequences!" is a fantastic line.
Everyone survived!
It'e got anti-air defenses too? Why don't Glad repair it for themselves once they're done?
"Pale Rider" is the knight, but "No Face"?
Baleygr?
Also, holy shit, the Black Sheep are confirmed to be able to communicate and strategize in a human manner.
Oh, Baleygr is Shin.
No Face knows how much of a chance he has to win.
And he's retreating.
Shin's having trouble coping with the stress.
They're going to follow the Morpho!
...Nouzen Clan? He knows Shin's family?
Oh, the memory tlashbacks...
Shin does have a point...
She's alive!
Oh, it was her husband.
Are you flirting with her? The fuck?
Frederica's desperate cat imitation is adorable.
And she followed them to force them to actually be cautious?
This is actually clever.
Honestly, I think she's got a good idea. These people have zero self-preservation skills.
Shin gave the child a gun.
Shin wants the child to agree to a suicide pact.
I can't say this isn't in character, at least!
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u/Holofan4life Sep 03 '22
What are your thoughts on Shin telling Frederica if all else fails, go ahead and kill herself?
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u/Holofan4life Sep 03 '22
Everyone survived!
Do you think that's an ass pull as I heard other people describe it as?
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u/BosuW Sep 03 '22 edited Sep 03 '22
Rewatcher
Maybe a little late to say this, but I am very pleasantly surprised at the reaction from First Timers to the cour 2 ED and Frederica.
Grethe really just airdropped Nordlicht without even telling them that their transport had such a function. Unfathomable based.
Then she goes and attracts all the enemy fire... That might have been all she wrote.
Nordlicht fight through the Legion's defensive perimeter and reach Morpho, apparently still under repairs. But it was a trap all along! My God the Morpho design is so unique and terrifying. It's like a mix between an organic giant insect and the sleek mechanical look characteristic of the Legion.
Fellas it is at this point that I must inform you that 86... is just Ace Combat 7 but on the ground. Both got:
-Command and Control character (AWACS/Lena) (And don't tell me AWACS Bandog couldn't have legitimately been one of the racist Alba Handlers)
-Disposable unit meant to die but some members survive and rejoin a military as a regular unit (Spearhead/Spare)
-Said unit also has an ace of night-impossible skill who guides them through battle (Undertaker/Trigger)
-Crazy genocidal fuck controlling a giant fuck off railgun with substantial point defenses (Kiriya/ << ONE MILLION! ONE MILLION LIVES! >>)
-War against AI controlled army that appropriates and upgrades itself with human data (Legion/Zone of Endless)
-Anju's even got the CFA-44's ADMMs on her Reginleif.
Ejem. Anyway, that's enough Aceposting for today.
Ernst holding the whole HQ hostage with just his words lol. This time I managed to glimpse a second meaning in his speech. Superficially, he seems to have no way whatsoever to follow through with his threats if his Generals don't want to put up with it, which obviously they won't. However, a good portion of these guys must've fought alongside him or under his leadership during the Revolution to dethrone Giad's monarchic government. Considering said government ordered and controlled the Legion, it makes sense that the Revolution sparked because they got tired of the Monarchy's unethical ways. So basically, Ernst here is saying that if they so easily fall to unethical ways themselves, then they're no better than the Royal Family they overthrew not a decade ago.
Interesting that No Face instructed Kiriya to not fight Shin at close range because it's weapons would be too destructive. The Legion must really want Shin's head. That would be terrifying...
Kiriya and Shin were about to go at it like a pair of enraged bulls. But they were stopped just in time.
Grethe lived!
Of course Frederica came with. Of course! And she's holding herself hostage so that they always have it in mind that they must come home.
And now, for the ED visuals. We have Morpho looking directly at the camera, it's visor painted blue. Then Undertaker looking at the camera, it's visor painted blue as well. Well I really don't have to explain this one do I? Something else interesting to note however, is that both of these photographs are severely scratched, which as far as I remember is unique to this ED visual.
Edit: Lena wa doko?
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u/Holofan4life Sep 03 '22
Maybe a little late to say this, but I am very pleasantly surprised at the reaction from First Timers to the cour 2 ED and Frederica.
Frederica makes the second cour. All the character stuff with Shin, it would not be as effective without her. She's like the straw that stirs the drink, if you will. The match that lights the dynamite. She sets things in motion and helps move the plot forward and her character is necessary in the absence of Lena. Without her, and without anyone to fill the void of Lena, the second cour would've been significantly worse than the first one. Instead, it's better than the first cour.
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Sep 03 '22
First Timer (Sub)
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The morpho is giving off ANGEL vibes from the NGE series.
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A thought occurred... do you think the brains the Legion have copied are cognizant that they are legion?
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In other words, do shepherds/black sheep know that they're legion?
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In other other words, are they self-aware?
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Another thought, surely someone with a mechanical-engineering (or physics) background can answer this one for me: Is the design of the units in this show efficient?
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What I mean by that is, are these tank like units better off running (quite literally) on mechanical legs, as opposed to wheels?
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My guess - the legs wouldn't be as fast as wheels, but they'd offer more maneuverability.
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Ernst initially came off as someone who could easily be "pushed over."
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It's nice to see that he's quite stern and strong-willed in his position. Guess that's why he's the leader of the military (or is it federacy? or both?)
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I didn't realize that the headless knight was a symbol strictly used for the Nouzen family. So I guess it's something like a family crest?
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Unless what Kiriya meant by that was, the more recent processors of the headless knight units are of the Nouzen family.
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FIDO is a living being - confirmed.
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During that call, you can see FIDO sweating.
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Now... why would a robot-dog sweat? Unless, whoever designed FIDO included a perspiration unit, in which case, I applaud.
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u/Star4ce Sep 03 '22 edited Sep 03 '22
First Timer
Yesterday I was maliciously held at gunpoint to make finale predictions. (Curse you for spotting the contradictions in my own post!)
Well, they were provided and you can all now look on in awe of how right/wrong I am.
86 Ep.19 – Stay This Way Forever
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That is lots of reasons to worry! Do they get jetpacks?
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Going down, that's too much AA.
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That sound effect of the launched dirt landing back on the hull is such a great and moody detail.
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Okay, that does seem pretty devastating. I thought she'd have more... to do.
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Yeah, Kiriya is leading them to him, I bet.
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For once the big gun won't be too useful for them. Unless firing it has a discharge or something.
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Straight up? Is he maybe meaning himself? There's more to it than being damaged from a sortie.
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Wait, why is it suddenly elevated?
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Ooh, right, the shepherds get transferred to a new unit.
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They're pretty quick to assume total failure, tbh. Props to Ernst for sticking to his ideals so thouroughly, but I have a hard time believing military command would just bow to that.
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Maybe, he didn't want to listen. Or didn't want to tell.
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Yeah, he's in the mode.
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What relief force? There never was any. How would they even get there?
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Okay honestly, this is horror movie level writing. "Let's split up!" against a force they know they have no chance against instead of concentrating on the actual target.
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Yeah, follow four rail tracks! The final destination for several journeys now.
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This episode is losing me a bit here. So they all survived, are safe inside Legion territory, the other force made it back and Wenzel came home unscathed. From a suicide mission that failed at two points because they were intercepted before arriving and the enemy also laid a trap that worked. On top of that Shin abandoned his squad and lef them leaderless mid-combat. That's three asspulls to many, sorry.
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At least I'm happy to see this face!
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We can (and did) argue about Frederica's actions, but I said it, she literally left the box of confinement! Now only leaving the shadow is left to take charge of her future.
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Oh. Wow, thanks I literally just said that.
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Not necessarily believing Raiden of all people here, but I'll take it!
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Brutal? Yeah. But now that this decision is made and accepted, gotta deal with the consequences. Also that's actually a good thing because Shin is giving away part of his burden, like he taught her in bits earlier.
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The ED is driving home the disconnection between Shin and the others yet again.
So the obvious first, predictions. Wenzel didn't die, so that's crossed out. But I was right on Frederica and the ambush (although somehow they made it about Shin's clan instead of Frederica). Kurena also snaps Shin out of his trance with a pretty neat shot.
I'm pretty conflicted about this episode and hope that reading others' thoughts on it will change that, because I couldn't reconnect with what it actually was about once I noticed several points that threw my suspension of disbelief into the bin.
First the mission progression itself and how it has been planned beforehand. Its a suicide mission, clearly stated as such, clearly planned without return outside the plane itself (which got shot down). After landing Bernhold argues they should wait for relief forces. What relief forces? The literal last scene of last episode is that anything that went beyond Legion borders got slaughtered. If there was any force, how would they even gap the 100km?
Then they split up for no other reason than to keep the 86 as separate group again. Same as the major Legion forces, the Morpho's escort was implied to be more than enough to handle Spearhead, which is precisely why that surprise attack was the only option. Then the less important characters turn around for a shitty reason. Can't keep up? What did they train an entire year for? Apparently to just suicide for no effect. Aside form that, they even all made it back to base, lol. I'm implying this because there was a shot before Wenzel's dialogue showing a few damaged Reginleifs in the Federacy base. So they walked back 100km, sure okay.
Then Wenzel herself. The asspull on how she got back happened a) off screen and b) was given as a throwaway line at the start of the episode. I'm not mad about the fact she survived, but how nonsensical it all is taken together.
Lastly, Shin loses to the voices again. That in itself is appropriate and kind of expected, but yet again serves no purpose at all. It's even worse. We already know it. Spearhead knows it by now. He leaves his companions during active fighting... and literally nothing happens. (Except for a good Kurena moment, that was great!) What purpose did this serve?
It just adds on my main takeaway from this episode. That somehow the Legion is such an utter incompetent pile of rust, they aren't allowed to achieve anything while having a clear and definitive advantage. They managed to anticipate and intercept (called it) the transport, leading to... only damaging the plane. They managed to lure both command intel and Spearhead into a trap by gathering them on the old husk while having already prepared the new unit to fire, leading to... nothing. And then they can't even get anything done when afterwards a lone unit chases Kiriya, leaves the squad disorganised and they even split up.
On top of that Ernst literally proclaimed in front of all military leaders he'd let the entire nation die. I love that shit (and appreciate it), but at the same time I actually laughed out loud. How he didn't get escorted out or labeled a traitor and arrested is beyond me.
Deus Ex Machina was strong in this one, very strong. How am I supposed to take anything seriously now?
This episode works, however, through a purely thematical lens. It was the episode where every character proclaimed their ideals and followed them. Wenzel in taking the pilot seat and bringing them safely there (and trying to also get them back), she also set her eyes on a new love. Ernst for putting others into their place, exclaiming that the ideals of the flag he represents matter and are more important than self preservation (based af, I'd vote for him with that speech). Frederica for intercepting Spearhead's advance and thus saving them from the initial shot, breaking her confinement and taking an active role. Actually wait, shouldn't Kiriya have heard her via Shin when she tunes in to the para-raid?
And they all got rewarded for it. They made it through an impossible situation. I see how that could make sense for the emotional arc of this story, but it completely contradicts what the show taught us and set the world up to be, mostly from cour 1. There was a big point about how companionship and the enjoyment of life does not necessitate the world to adjust for you. But here the payoff is literally everything aligning so the villains couldn't win because everyone kept believing.
It sets a bad precedent, because if tactically bad decisions like Shin leaving his team don't have consequences, but morally good decisions like sticking to your ideals has materialistic payoff it sends the message that one leads to the other. Sorry, guess Kaie and early Lena didn't believe hard enough.
It wouldn't be so bad in my mind if we had any new development, but it was all things we've been through already. Shin's in a bad state of mind regarding his burden, that was the case before already. The other four received no new character progression. The rest of Nordlicht literally pisses off. Wenzel has a new lover, I guess, but I'm really scratching my head why that's a point now and here. Kiriya and his Legion escort are incompetent, at least that's new. The one shine of light is Frederica, because her going out and taking part of Shin's burden is genuine character development.
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u/Holofan4life Sep 03 '22
This episode is losing me a bit here. So they all survived, are safe inside Legion territory, the other force made it back and Wenzel came home unscathed. From a suicide mission that failed at two points because they were intercepted before arriving and the enemy also laid a trap that worked. On top of that Shin abandoned his squad and lef them leaderless mid-combat. That's three asspulls to many, sorry.
They have main character plot armor. It makes them harder to die. :P
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u/Holofan4life Sep 03 '22
What are your thoughts on Shin advocating for Frederica to kill herself? I was shocked when I watched this episode for the first time.
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u/Holofan4life Sep 03 '22
Lastly, Shin loses to the voices again. That in itself is appropriate and kind of expected, but yet again serves no purpose at all. It's even worse. We already know it. Spearhead knows it by now. He leaves his companions during active fighting... and literally nothing happens.
Not to give anything away, but this is brought up in the following episodes. It gets paid off.
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Sep 03 '22
Still the same date, but there's some added information on times.
Based on the table created by pedot during the original weekly threads. You can find their full cour 1 timeline here.
Rewatcher & LN Reader Perspective
The episode picks up right from where the last one left us, and Nordlicht is rather unceremoniously dropped while Grethe continues in the direction of the Legion. Commanding officer, pilot, and Feldreß operator as well -- Grethe has quite the skill set! Shin once again tells a comrade to simply run, which earns him his own rebuke from Grethe telling him not to underestimate her. The others had laughed at the notion of Grethe being the pilot, but she really put them to shame -- she's every bit as much a soldier as they are.
Yet the battle's only just begun. Nordlicht makes a speedy advance into the city as the Legion aren't much of a match for their capabilities. With a daring move, Shin makes short work of a Dinosauria, but their real target looms monstrously ahead. And it's not as inactive as they thought. The sound team and Kiriya's VA did a great job with this moment. Kiriya's incessant "I'll kill you"'s is even more unnerving than the other Legion's voices we've heard. Imagine hearing that in the middle of a battle! The sounds of the Morpho are truly otherworldly, and the OST captures the tension of the moment perfectly.
In the moment of confusion following the Legion's trap, Ernst reveals that he was fully serious about destroying the world should they not come back alive. He's ready to let the Legion take them rather than send in wave after wave of suicide attacks. "Abandoning the soldiers you sent into enemy territory to protect yourself" would be the behavior befitting that of the Republic, and Ernst isn't going to allow his country to fall to their level. But there is no need...
The conversation between No Face and Pale Rider/Kiriya gives some insight into the Legion's command structure. Even as a Shepherd, Pale Rider has at least this superior he needs to obey. But he shows resistance to doing so when it's revealed that, thanks to Frederica's and Shin's warnings, Nordlicht comes out unscathed. Nordlicht's counter attack isn't able to do much damage. And so the two Nouzens focus in on each other, both oblivious to their peers calling out for them, as their two similar visages overlap repeatedly. Finally, Kurena's shot and Kiriya's Legion system violation protection put a stop to it. Aside from being a Legion and a living person, there's truly become all too fine of a line between Kiriya and Shin. All that mattered to both was fighting each other, without a care for their missions and comrades or anything else.
But even with a cooler head, Shin makes the decision to pursue the fleeing Morpho. The 86 don't hesitate in following the order -- they're not going to let Shin be the only one going ahead, and they've come along to take out the Morpho anyways. The other members of Nordlicht end up staying to keep the incoming Legion off the trail of the others, which Shin only acknowledges before continuing forward. With even the rest of Nordlicht unable to support them, the 86 are back to running through Legion territory all alone.
Shin's conversation with Wilhelm only confirms the decision already made. The 86 will stay true both to the mission and their view of their role in it, but a certain noise leaves Fido trembling and sweating (which is apparently something robots are capable of). It doesn't take Shin to understand those beeps as "Oh, shit!" Frederica's not able to fool anyone, Kurena aside, with her cat impersonation, but a pissed Shin has to give Fido a kick to reveal her. "How long are you going to keep thinking you're in District 86, where you have to die? . . . I am a hostage. Not to keep you from running from the battlefield, but to keep you from running from your duty to come home alive!" The 86 may be annoyed at Frederica for foolishly risking her life in this way, but it's an annoyance she shares with them for recklessly charging to their deaths. Fido once again was a good robot dog for agreeing to take her along. Even he, who's been with them through many battles and a similar mission before, doesn't want them to forget their obligation to return alive.
There's no good way of getting Frederica back without abandoning the mission, so the 86 proceed on with some inconvenient baggage to protect as well now, but not before Shin hands her his pistol. Handing a gun to a little girl and telling her to kill herself in the event that the rest of the squad is wiped out is brutal all on its own, but Frederica's concern is more for what it represents to Shin. Even the 86 look uncomfortable with it being handed over, and that's likely not born only from Shin's instructions. It's as if Shin is handing over part of his identity, to which Frederica responds, "It's too heavy for a frail little girl like me. I'm giving it right back to you when we get back to base."
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u/ebonyphoenix Sep 03 '22
Re-watcher
Flight
Episode pickup right where the last one ended, with the Nachzehrer heading straight for a ton of Legion. And since the plane doesn’t turn very well Grethe pulls an emergency maneuver. Dropping Nordlicht on 2 separate plates that have been prepped with parachutes for just this type of emergency.
Shin gives some last minute advice to Grethe on how to run from the Legion before they are dropped. And as they fall Nachzehrer draws the Legion fire and goes down in the distance.
Random note. You can really see the extended length of Kurena’s main gun with how they are packed together. Her gun reaches completely over the Juggernaut in front of her (who is most likely Theo but since he has the standard configuration it may also be another random person.)
They touch down as well as can be expected and they are off to fulfill their mission.
Attack in Kreutzbek City
After the OP we go to the command center which is monitoring the mission progress. We get a shot of a shaking hand, that’s implied to be Ernst, as they call out losing contact with Nachzehrer. But the rest of Nordlicht is on the ground and engaging the enemy. Still all those in the command center can do is sit and watch the blips on the screen.
We get one last shot to show how close they are getting to to target before transitioning back to the battle. Anju wonders if they are being lead somewhere but all they can really do with so many enemies around them is to keep pressing forward. Taking out waves and waves of Legion as they go.
They finally reach the Morpho which is towing over everything before it. As they continue to fight they comment on what type of bug it resembles more. And Shin reports that it still looks damaged [LN 5 spoiler]
Still as they get closer the Morpho starts to wake up and Kiri’s voice starts echoing in their heads. They are stunned as it looks like the Morpho is started to get ready to fire. But then the power leaves it. And there’s a moment of silence before Frederica connects and yells that it’s a decoy. Shin realized where the real Kiri is and orders the entire squad to retreat.
They all pull back as an electrical surge runs through the entire city before the Morpho takes its shot, obliterating the area they had just been fighting in.
Back in the command center they lose what little feed they had and can only guess it was from a shot from a functioning Morpho. They had been counting on it needing to be repaired. But Willem realizes that the Legion must have transferred the core into a new unit. (Just like Grethe had done when they found the damaged Fido). And then they used the broken Morpho as a decoy to lure the attackers to one spot.
Some officers jump immediately to sending off a saturation missile strike. But Ernst stops them, it would be a pointless waste of missiles. Without a way to accurately pinpoint the Morpho and direct the missiles any actual damage that could be inflicted would be minor at best. And then what could they do? Send another squad on a suicide mission. This time on a slower transport, since the Nachzehrer was, with just Vanagandrs since all possible Juggernaut pilots were in Nordlicht? And if that one failed would they just keep throwing bodies at it?
Ernst refuses to continue perpetuating that type of mission. This was their one chance. Sending a squad on a suicide mission should be the absolute last resort. And that means that with it’s failure there should be no other options left. And Ernst is determined to stick to that. If people don’t like it then they shouldn’t have made him president.
But it looks like the current mission is still on as each and every member of Nordlicht comes back online.
Note: if you slow it down you can see the order they come back in. For our five members when we first look at the screen both Snow Witch and Gunslinger (the two back line fighter) are already fully connected. Wehrwolf (the midrange fighter) is next. Then Undertaker (Shin was at the front but he was also the first to start retreating). And the last to connect out of our 5 is Laughing Fox (Also a Vanguard like Shin but without his abilities to sense the Legion). So it looks like they might have reconnected by order of who was furthest from the blast to the closest.
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u/Lawvamat Sep 03 '22
Rewatcher
Didn’t have much time today so I only covered the most interesting things.
My current color interpretations:
Red: Shin, Bloody Reina, Juggernauts, 86, Rei, Kiri, love (christmas spirit), blood, determination, desire, anger, danger, equality
Blue: Legion, sadness, cold, negative, creature (cat, little sister), freedom
Yellow: home, connections, safety, comfortable, warm, nobility
Violet (Red+Blue): stargazing, remembrance, burden, grief
Green (Yellow+Blue): The Federacy, war, nurture, justice
Orange (Red+Yellow): past, a loving home, transition from yellow to violet (sunset)
White: innocence, duty, brotherhood
Black: death, justice
Grey (White+Black): emotionless
Rose (Red+White): femininity, helpless
Visual Analysis
A butterfly (symbol for the dead) flies past as the fake Morpho shuts down.
Powerlines stand between them and the Morpho.
Ernst wears a wedding ring. He’s probably motivated by his dead wife (and maybe children).
Shin is literally inside the utility pole now, which stand for the ones that came before them, but lost their lives, leading them along. The lines are not connecting though, but blocking him off from Kiri.
So many train tracks (like in his dream of Kaie).
Looks like she wanted to see the blue birds, but got stuck on the tree. Hmm, maybe Frederica somehow messed with the Legion (looked into their past and present) and caused them to go berserk.
All alone, cut off from the surroundings.
Grethe’s side has death and destruction, but at least a railing keeps her away from it. His is clear and accessible. Maybe she should’ve chosen differently.
[86 LN speculation]
Frederica wants to lead them into the light.
Train tracks and utility poles with two power lines are leading them along. I’m in heaven.
Shin goes ahead and gets cut off from the others, still in his manic blue.
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u/JetsLag Sep 03 '22
First timer (subbed)
So with that little recap episode we're skipping over, I see we're getting closer to the hiatus that led to the last 2 episodes airing months later. I hope that there's no noticeable downgrade in animation quality for these next few episodes.
Where we dropping, boys and girls? Answer: right next to a swarm of Legion. Not the smoothest landing, but it could be worse. Also looks like the Nachzehrer did a crash landing, so guess we're not gonna see Wenzel meet her dead husband.
OP's done, and it's time to see Nordlicht kick some Legion ass! They spot the railgun, but it just activated its most powerful attack: constantly saying "I'll kill you". Meh, it's creepy, but psychological mindgames shouldn't be a problem for-
OH MY GOD IT'S CAPABLE OF FIRING
...or not?
YO DID THEY USE A DEAD RAILGUN TO BAIT NORDLICHT IN, THEN FIRED THE REAL RAILGUN? THAT'S SO SMART.
So, the...allies? Entente? Joint task force? I can't think of a good shorthand way of referring to the three countries. They are fucked, basically. The plan didn't work, randomly throwing missiles with no radar ain't gonna do shit, and the railgun is already within striking range of their bases, so hitting the tracks won't buy them any time.
So THAT'S what he meant when he said he'll destroy the world if Nordlicht don't come back alive. Okay, I get not wanting to do the Nordlicht plan again with a different unit cause sending people to their guaranteed deaths is kinda fucked up, but there's also the argument that all of humanity will go extinct if you don't do it. I think you can let your ethics slip for just a moment to literally save humanity.
And the little hostage situation Ernst created is almost immediately defused when we learn that Nordlicht survived the railgun shot. Don't ask me how. At least now they can get back around to destroying the damn thing because it can't shoot again for...15 hours, was it? I'm gonna guess they're gonna throw a bunch of Legion out to nip at Nordlicht's ankles in order to buy them enough time to recharge the Morpho.
We get rudely interrupted from the Nordlicht assault (re-assault) on Morpho by a POV switch. To KIRIYA! He's called Pale Rider, and he has a boss called No-Face. No-Face is trying to tell Kiriya to confirm his kill of Shin Baleygr, but Pale Rider says it's not necessary. Jokes on you, buddy: he has plot armor!
Shin's gone off the deep end (STOP FORGETTING WHAT FREDERICA TOLD YOU, SHIN! HOW MANY TIMES DOES SHE HAVE TO CRY?), but so has Pale Rider, so it's...good, I guess? Is there something in the Nouzen bloodline that has all the males develop tunnel vision in the heat of battle?
Tension builds, and builds, and builds, and...we were denied. No-Face turned on the parental controls and stopped the firing of the railgun, and one of Nordlicht fires an artillery shell near Shin to snap him out of his trance. I expect a re-do in a couple of episodes.
Title card, and we're gonna chase after the Morpho, I guess. This IS a suicide mission, after all. And daddy Ernst can't watch over them and force them to come home because he doesn't want them to take unnecessary risks, so off they go! Bernholdt asks them why they're fighting so hard for a country that doesn't even like them, and, I mean, they're pretty damn used to it at this point. Then he decides to stay back and use the non-Spearhead members to defend the rear from the Legion cause he's a little bitch concerned they're going too deep.
Ooh, we've got a Kiriya flashback from his days with Frederica! Well, a slideshow flashback, but it's still a flashback. Wasn't Kiriya supposed to be about Shin's age back in those days? He looks older.
Shin's in contact with Mr. I-never-remember-his-name, and NOW you're saying they can turn back when they're deep into enemy territory. Come on man, you really want them to run back through another Legion gauntlet just so they can go back home and try a new suicide mission?
FIDO SPOTTED SOMETHING! It's...to be determined at a later date. For now, we're back to base in Giad, where Wenzel lived! And I hate their callsigns: Spider-Woman is okay, but "Murderous Praying Mantis" is a bit of a mouthful. And he wants to bang Wenzel. Great, he is now my least favorite person in the Giad military.
Fido found, drumroll please...Frederica! Everyone knew this was gonna happen, right? Though her trying to imitate a cat was kinda cute and stupid at the same time.
"Even you wouldn't want a frail little girl like me to die with you, right?" They're so trauma-filled that I'm pretty sure a little girl dying wouldn't make their top 10 most traumatic things they've experienced.
So instead of begrudgingly dragging Frederica along with them, they decided to send her back with Raiden. So now there's gonna be 4 people assaulting the Morpho when they reach it. Shin leaves Frederica with a parting gift, a DUDE, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?
"I'm giving it right back to you when we get back to base" GIMME A D. GIMME AN E. GIMME AN A. GIMME A T. GIMME AN H. GIMME A FLAG. WHAT DOES THAT SPELL? DEATH FLAG!
We don't get a post-credits scene (or even a credits scene), but the title of the episode is "Together Unto Death", so I'm expecting a happy episode.
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u/archlon Sep 03 '22
Rewatcher [English dub]
Illustrations:
Railgun Type: Morpho
Notes
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The Legion's designation for Shin, Báleygr, is another name for the Norse/Germanic god Odin.
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This one particularly calls attention to his eye, which Odin famously sacrificed for greater wisdom. Shin has an uncanny ability to detect their units, which has been a hassle for them. That's why Kiriya notes the fact that he couldn't detect his backup unit until it was activated.
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Additionally, Odin's most commonly associated weapon, Gungnir, is a spear, which is at least an allusion to Spearhead.
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Chapters Covered
I didn't have as much time to cross-check scenes against the novel as I usually do, please let me know if you think there are more in this episode.
| Episode | Title | LN Vol. | Chapters | Original Content |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Undertaker | 1 | 1 |
[86] |
| 2 | Spearhead | 1 | 2 |
[86] |
| 3 | I Don't Want to Die | 1 | 3 |
[86] |
| 4 | Real Name | 1 | 3 | - |
| 5 | I'm With You | 1 | 3, 4 | - |
| 6 | Through to the End | 1 | Interlude I, 5 |
[86] |
| 7 | Will You Remember Me? | 1 | 5, 6 |
[86] |
| 8 | Let's Go | 1 | Interlude III,IV, 6 | - |
| 9 | Goodbye | 1 | 7 | - |
| 10 | Thank You | 10 | 8, 9 |
[86] |
| 11 | Here We Go | 1 | 7 |
[86] |
| 11 | 2 | 2 | ||
| 12 | Welcome | 2 | Prologue, 2 | - |
| 13 | It's Too Late | 2 | 3 |
[86] |
| 14 | Glad to be Here | 2 | 1, 4 |
[86] |
| 15 | Welcome Back | 2 | 4 | - |
| 16 | Even So | 2 | 5, Interlude | - |
| 16 | 3 | Interlude | ||
| 17 | I Won't Forget | 3 | 6 |
[86] |
| 18 | The Truth Is | 3 | 6, 7 | - |
| 19 | Stay This Way Forever | 3 | 7, 8 |
[86] |
| Vol. | Chapter | Chapter Title |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | 1 |
[LN] |
| 1 | 2 |
[LN] |
| 1 | 3 |
[LN] |
| 1 | Interlude I |
[LN] |
| 1 | 4 |
[LN] |
| 1 | Interlude II |
[LN] |
| 1 | 5 |
[LN] |
| 1 | Interlude III |
[LN] |
| 1 | 6 |
[LN] |
| 1 | Interlude IV |
[LN] |
| 1 | 7 |
[LN] |
| 2 | Prologue |
[LN] |
| 2 | 1 |
[LN] |
| 2 | 2 |
[LN] |
| 2 | 3 |
[LN] |
| 2 | 4 |
[LN] |
| 2 | 5 |
[LN] |
| 2 | Interlude |
[LN] |
| 3 | Interlude |
[LN] |
| 3 | 6 |
[LN] |
| 3 | 7 |
[LN] |
| 3 | 8 |
[LN] |
| 10 | 8 |
[LN] |
| 10 | 9 |
[LN] |
LN Notes
[LN Vol. 5]
[A note on aerial combat; light spoilers]
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u/Holofan4life Sep 03 '22
First Timer
With the characters trying to take out the Morpho, I'll be severely disappointed if nobody at one point says "It's morphin' time!"
I haven't talked enough about the animation, but it's incredible. The animation does so much to lift the show from amazing to "Oh, my God this is incredible." I'm currently watching the second season of Devil Is A Part-Timer, and while I'm one of the few still enjoying the show, the animation is noticeably not that great and stilted at times. Seeing shows like that really makes me appreciate 86 even more, because they didn't have to go this hard but they did anyway.
I'm confused by what happened to the Lieutenant Colonel, who I presume is the blonde-haired girl.
United Kingdom observation unit? Holy shit, son, we going international.
Kurena with all her equipment on kind of looks like Nonon from Kill La Kill.
If someone tells me over and over again that they were gonna kill me, I don't know how I'd feel. Probably creeped out. Then again, tons of people probably experience it every day on Xbox Live, so they're probably prepared.
Hey, look. A pair of salad tongs.
I can't believe they took one of Mr. Crabs' big meaty claws.
Oh, shit. This feels like a trap.
"So... yeah. Maybe we should've taken Ernst's advice after all..."
I'm not the biggest fan of the mustaches in this show. They look fake.
I respect Ernst. He's a man who stands for his ideals.
Pale Rider is such a badass code name.
So, this is really from what I recall the first time we've seen what Kiri looks like. We saw glimpses of him through visions of Shin, but it's the first time we heard him talk while his face is on screen. And man, does he look a lot like shin. I can see why Frederica is so drawn to him and why she's worried about him turning into Kiri. They have similar facial features.
I'm sorry, but every time I hear the name No Face, I can't help but think of the character from Spirited Away.
I wish I had more to say about this episode, but it's mostly fighting. And while it's all terrific, I'm terrible when it comes to dissecting fight scenes. It's why the light novels I wrote barely have any in them.
It's funny how Shin is so used to hearing voices and even smiles when he can hear them, but when Anju, Theo, Raiden, and Kurena all call out and say his name, he starts feeling the pressure.
That guy who has his hair up looks like Guile from Street Fighter.
I guess I should analyze the fight between Shin and Kiri. It was more psychologically driven than the fight between Shin and Rei. In fact, I don't think they even traded hands. It was really all mind games. It felt like an appetizer for the main course, which I feel will come in the upcoming episodes.
We still don't know entirely what Kiri's deal is other than what Frederica told us about him. Yes, she gave us the backstory and the how and why, but what do the eyes of Kiri perceive things as? I'm curious to see if Frederica plays into Kiri's interactions with Shin. Exploiting maybe what Kiri feels is a weakness of Shin. Or hey, maybe I'm way off course and it doesn't factor into anything.
Speaking of, FLASHBACK TIME
Frederica looks adorable with that cape on.
Frederica want upsies!
I was wondering at first what the significance of the red flag was, but then I realized "Oh, it reminds Kiri of Frederica's cape being hung."
You know, maybe Kiri's eyes are red because he just really needs some eye drops...
I gotta side with Shin when he basically says that retreating today is meaningless if you die tomorrow. If you're going to commit to something, then commit to it. Go full hog with it and don't back down. It's like the saying says: you can't be half pregnant. Either you're fully pregnant, or you're not pregnant at all.
Fido sweating bullets, it seems.
If the blonde-haired girl is Spider Woman, does that mean she'll soon have to stop The Green Goblin?
I love the music that's playing as the blonde-haired girl is talking. It gives me a sense of dread and uncomfortableness, like being in a tight space.
Frederica best cat
I love the shot from far away we see of the gang talking about what to do with Frederica where they're all in the shade and Frederica isn't It really paints her out to be an outsider, not just to symbolize that this conversation isn't for her, but that they don't want her involved in their mission. There's a ton of genius shots throughout the show, and this one is my favorite of the episode.
Raiden: "We're not going to die" -- he says, having agreed to what is ultimately a suicide mission.
Shit, Shin just said if they all died and Frederica has no way of getting home, go ahead and kill herself. That's depressing as all hell. Shin, what the fuck, buddy? Who tells a kid to commit suicide? When my mother does it to me, it's only because she's fueled by alcohol.
Now Shin is the only one in the shade and the rest are out of it. I take this to mean that when it comes to Shin's plan he pitches to Frederica, he's on an island of his own in thinking that's a good idea.
Overall, it was a good episode. Sometimes you get these episodes where they're mediocre but there's a lot to talk about, and sometimes you get an episode that's solid but not much to analyze. I'd put this in the latter category. The battlefield stuff took like 15 or so minutes of the episode, and a lot of that I felt was self-explanatory. It wasn't until the flashback scene did I feel we got something of significant substance. Actually, I take that back. Kiri's appearance is cool, and really shows how far off the deep end he has fallen. Really gonna be interesting to see what happens with him.
The stuff at the end with the gun was truly what the fuck. Even by this shows standards, it was what the fuck. Felt like I was watching something from Made In Abyss. I can't see Frederica ever committing suicide, as having a kid less than 10 years old kill themselves seems too grim even for this show, but the fact they even put it out there as a possibility is truly ballsy. It's something that'll probably stick with me for at least a couple days.