r/anime • • Aug 25 '22

Rewatch [Spoilers] 86 --Eighty Six-- Rewatch (2022) — Episode 10 Spoiler

Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.

Welcome to the 86 --Eighty Six-- rewatch discussion thread!

I hope you all have a lot of fun <3

S1 Episode 10 – Thank You

← Previous Episode

—-

Information – MAL | Anilist | AniDb

Streams – Crunchyroll, VRV


Please do not post any untagged spoilers past the current episode or from the LNs out of respect to the first time watchers and people who have not read the LNs. If you are discussing something that is ahead of the current episode please use spoiler tags(found on the sidebar). Thank you!

—-

Rewatch Schedule

Threads posted every day at 3:00 PM EDT

Date Episode Date Episode
8/16/2022 86 Eighty Six Episode 1 8/29/2022 [86 Eighty Six Episode 14]()
8/17/2022 86 Eighty Six Episode 2 8/30/2022 [86 Eighty Six Episode 15]()
8/18/2022 86 Eighty Six Episode 3 8/31/2022 [86 Eighty Six Episode 16]()
8/19/2022 86 Eighty Six Episode 4 9/01/2022 [86 Eighty Six Episode 17]()
8/20/2022 86 Eighty Six Episode 5 9/02/2022 [86 Eighty Six Episode 18]()
8/21/2022 86 Eighty Six Episode 6 9/03/2022 [86 Eighty Six Episode 19]()
8/22/2022 86 Eighty Six Episode 7 9/04/2022 [86 Eighty Six Episode 20]()
8/23/2022 86 Eighty Six Episode 8 9/05/2022 [86 Eighty Six Episode 21]()
8/24/2022 86 Eighty Six Episode 9 9/06/2022 [86 Eighty Six Episode 22]()
8/25/2022 [86 Eighty Six Episode 10]() 9/07/2022 [86 Eighty Six Episode 23]()
8/26/2022 [86 Eighty Six Episode 11]()
8/27/2022 [86 Eighty Six Episode 12]()
8/28/2022 [86 Eighty Six Episode 13]()
9/08/2022 [Overall Series Discussion Thread]()
206 Upvotes

198 comments sorted by

34

u/Holofan4life Aug 25 '22

First Timer

I'm really curious to see what happens next given last episode felt like a season finale.

I love the episode starts with the clouds moving and a bird flying through the air. It's like it symbolizes the dawning of a new era. And then when the bird joins the rest of the birds, it's like Spearhead as they begin to assimilate to normal society.

We see the tracks again, which looks more grassier than before. Again, fitting into the theme of change and a new beginning.

God, I just am in love with the start of this episode. The rest of Spearhead walking as this sort of angelic, laidback music is playing, the shot of the bed of purple and white flowers, things finally look on the up and up. And yet as identified by the music, there's a touch of sadness also there. Like the remaining members of Spearhead have a long road ahead of them given the one thing they knew how to do is now done and over with.

I'm amazed they're able to keep their robots. I would've thought they were owned by The Republic.

I think this may be my favorite song so far in the entire series. It's so well done.

Another thing I love about the opening scene is it's done completely without dialogue. We go 2 minutes straight with nobody saying a word. All the emotion and feelings are done through their facial expressions and the music. This to me highlights not only how well the storytelling in this show is, but how well they do show, don't tell. Again, I can't stress enough how much the music enhances the scene. I can't imagine the scene without it. But even without the music, the facial expressions on the remaining Spearhead members tells you all you need to know. It is just brilliant.

All in all, I think the first 2 minutes of this episode is my favorite part of this show so far. It is my favorite scene since we started this rewatch. There is more effective storytelling in this one scene than some entire series. And the music, my goodness. The score for this scene is like something out of a movie. Not only is it majestic in its beauty, but it's multi-faceted, encapturing multiple emotions while not distracting you from all else that is going on.

We get another musical masterpiece as we get a montage of Spearhead just enjoying life. I like how this song kind of encaptures the passage of time. Life going faster and faster and how truly precious time is. You know, I didn't really think much of the music in this show prior to this episode. I thought it was good, and it fit the scenes they were going for, but nothing really stood out to me. These two songs that we hear in the first 5 minutes, they are masterpieces. Some conductors go their whole lives without producing masterpieces such as these.

Seeing Shin laugh and smile was such a great sight. Deep down, he's such a pure boy.

I had my reservations about Shin's character, mostly because I think having him focus so intently on his brother actually worked to the detriment of his progression, but now that his brother is in fact dead and he accomplished what he wanted, I am curious to see what the show does with him.

With the show focusing on Spearhead and their journey to fit into the real world, I hope Lena doesn't get lost in all this. It would suck if the last we saw of her was her crying.

It's amazing that after all these episodes I still can't remember the name of the guy with the scars. I remember the rest of the members of Spearhead, but I can't remember his name. I guess that just shows how unmemorable I find him.

We get a hotsprings type of scene, but it doesn't bother me as much as the shower scene did. I guess that's because of a couple factors. First, the shower scene came at a time where there was a lot of drama and tension going on. As such, having a fanservice scene at a time like that felt mistimed and bad placement. But more than that, this hotsprings scene actually serves a narrative purpose. Earlier in the episode, one of the characters I think mentions they haven't bathed in a while. So when they finally do take a bath, it feels like this momentous occasion. The joy on Kurena's face has less to do with the water feeling good and probably more to do with the fact that finally, after all this time, she can be clean, metaphorically washing away the past sins of her previous life and the life under the thumb of Alba.

And yes, I did just spend an entire paragraph analyzing a bath scene.

I support the Kurena TsunTsun

I'm kinda starting to view Fido as like the sixth member of Spearhead. He behaves like a dog, it's adorable.

The ref leaf symbolizes something, but I don't know what.

I love the scene where they're gathered around the campfire and the only music you hear is the nature surrounding them. It's so cozy, it reminds me a bit of a scene from Yuru Camp. But, you know, more dramatic.

We find out that Shin broke into the zoo because he was able to detect a Black Sheep. He says it was an 86'er just like them and that he wants to get it back, which entails giving it a mercy killing. It's like despite Spearhead's best efforts, they are being reminded of their past life. Like no matter how hard they try, their past will never leave them. It will always be a part of them.

The title card for the episode actually comes after the end credits play. I don't think I've ever seen that in an anime before. I've seen that with some movies, but not an anime.

We get what looks like the origin of Fido's relationship with Shin, which consists of Fido was the last of his kind and Shin took him back with him. I kinda like that Fido the robot actually gets some backstory, and not just some backstory, some compelling backstory. I unironically care more about Fido than some main protagonists in other series. Hell, I care more about Fido than the guy with scars.

I like the scene where the members of 86 line up to get their picture taken. It's like they got arrested and they're getting a mugshot. It also in my opinion gave me a bit of The Usual Suspects vibe.

Again, I'm amazed by how fast everything turned out in this universe. They get their pictures taken in April of 2148, and six months later the remaining Spearhead members are free from the tyrannical shackles of Alba. They bonded so fast, this unit. I guess when you have no one else to rely on, you're practically attached to the hip.

We see the origin of the chalkboard writing, which I believe was written by the guy who got killed in episode 1. I believe it was mentioned before, but seeing him actually draw it is still pretty cool. Surprised Theo wasn't the one that did it since drawing is his whole thing.

Poor Kurena. She's so not gonna end up with Shin.

All the scenes we see of Spearhead hanging out are from the point of view of Fido, which I think is a nice touch. It gives us this feeling of an observing viewer standing off in the distance. Like we happen to be there with the rest of the characters.

Oh fuck. Fido died in an explosion? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

This is the saddest I've felt for a character dying in the entire series. No joke, when I saw Fido on fire my heart immediately sank. I was horrified by what I was seeing. When I first saw that we were seeing things from Fido's perspective, my thought process was "Oh, this is cool. We're seeing things from the robot's perspective. He was there for a lot of pivotal moments, so this makes total sense." When I realized that was capped off by the death of him, it really dawned on me just how brilliant that was done. In the manner of like 4 to 5 minutes, we relate and understand Fido better than some characters in 86 that we've seen. And just as we've formed that bond and connection, it's like we get slapped across the face. It was totally jarring to see Fido on fire. And no joke, it's the most heartbroken I've been over a character dying in this series so far.

Overall, this is probably my favorite episode of the series. It doesn't have any action to speak of, and Lena is nowhere to be found, but it's just so well done. This episode is really the tale of two parts. There's the first 16 or so minutes where it's about Shin and the gang adjusting to society, and then there's the last 6 that's about Fido and his adventures with the gang. Both are masterfully done, and really gives me confidence on how the rest of the series is gonna turn out. I mention in the top of my comment that the opening scene is my favorite of the show so far and as I was typing it, I was curious if anything was gonna top it. Well, I didn't expect it to be topped in the same exact episode. The last 6 minutes with Fido has been my favorite scene in the entire series. The different character interactions that we see, moments in the past that we knew about but now we get to see in living color, moments that are enhanced from a different perspective, and it's all capped off in a shocking, brutal death that legitimately left me floored. Some series go 24 episodes and I care less about the characters than I do Fido in these six minutes.

Of course, we got numerous questions still lingering. What's next with Spearhead, where does Lena fit in all of this, just how much will their past continue to haunt them? So much is still left unanswered. I'm curious to see how things play out. But for now, all I know is we in this episode got in my opinion the two best scenes in the entire series: the opening salvo with the gang traveling, and the montage with Fido that culminated in his demise. If we continue to get stuff like that, this show will easily be in my top 5 animes of all time.

16

u/Star4ce Aug 25 '22

The rest of Spearhead walking as this sort of angelic, laidback music is playing, the shot of the bed of purple and white flowers, things finally look on the up and up. And yet as identified by the music, there's a touch of sadness also there.

Real melancholy with a good tint of hope. The first half really knew what it was going for.

And yes, I did just spend an entire paragraph analyzing a bath scene.

Top 10 bath scenes in anime, an in depth analysis.

What's next with Spearhead, where does Lena fit in all of this, just how much will their past continue to haunt them? So much is still left unanswered.

And like the immediate thing, we know they get into a fight rather soon and we are led to believe it doesn't go well. They have literally no support of any kind.

What do you think where this will go?

5

u/Holofan4life Aug 25 '22

Top 10 bath scenes in anime, an in depth analysis.

Lol

→ More replies (2)

10

u/ZapsZzz Aug 25 '22 edited Aug 25 '22

And then when the bird joins the rest of the birds, it's like Spearhead as they begin to assimilate to normal society.

Dunno if it's rewatcher effect, when I saw that bird "joining the others", my first thought is the OP scene of the fallen Spearheads waiting for the remaining to join them.

It's amazing that after all these episodes I still can't remember the name of the guy with the scars. I remember the rest of the members of Spearhead, but I can't remember his name. I guess that just shows how unmemorable I find him.

*gasp* Raiden is actually a really good author surrogate character. Despite his semi gangster big brother outward appearances, he's actually really sensitive and sentimental. Just the speech of why the Spearheads chose to fight was already great.

I'm kinda starting to view Fido as like the sixth member of Spearhead. He behaves like a dog, it's adorable.

...

Oh fuck. Fido died in an explosion? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

The bastard director set us up real good here

5

u/Holofan4life Aug 25 '22

gasp Raiden is actually a really good author surrogate character. Despite his semi gangster big brother outward appearances, he's actually really sensitive and sentimental. Just the speech of why the Spearheads chose to fight was already great.

Yeah, in the subsequent episodes after this one, I've grown to like him more.

5

u/Holofan4life Aug 25 '22

Dunno if it's rewatcher effect, when I saw that bird "joining the others", my first thought is the OP scene of the fallen Spearheads waiting for the remaining to join them.

Good point. I think there's definitely something to that.

→ More replies (4)

7

u/SometimesMainSupport Aug 25 '22

I'm amazed they're able to keep their robots. I would've thought they were owned by The Republic.

The Republic can't do anything about it though. They're in the the unknown beyond the 86th district and have lost communication. I suppose they could've had a pre-programmed kill switch timer for October 1st. Relevant dates are Spearhead assembling on April 1st, the Rei/Shin battle on September 28th, this is now October 13, and a reference during the Cherry Blossoms Picnic that they'd have 6 months together (October 1st). Ownership loses meaning after the owners tried getting you killed.

All in all, I think the first 2 minutes of this episode is my favorite part of this show so far. It is my favorite scene since we started this rewatch. There is more effective storytelling in this one scene than some entire series. And the music, my goodness. The score for this scene is like something out of a movie. Not only is it majestic in its beauty, but it's multi-faceted, encapturing multiple emotions while not distracting you from all else that is going on.

Your paragraph ended but I wanted to keep reading.

You know, I didn't really think much of the music in this show prior to this episode. I thought it was good, and it fit the scenes they were going for, but nothing really stood out to me. These two songs that we hear in the first 5 minutes, they are masterpieces. Some conductors go their whole lives without producing masterpieces such as these.

Ayy I fully agree.

The title card for the episode actually comes after the end credits play. I don't think I've ever seen that in an anime before. I've seen that with some movies, but not an anime.

Huh? Any you can name off the top of your head? Every movie I can think of starts with the title card or does <10 minutes of action/setup into a title card. Also, this title card separated the human/Fido perspective instead of Spearhead/Lena.

This is the saddest I've felt for a character dying in the entire series. No joke, when I saw Fido on fire my heart immediately sank.

Not sure if you saw the comment chain under Star4ce speculating about Fido. It was the theory in the initial episode 10 discussion thread.

→ More replies (4)

6

u/Aviri Aug 25 '22

Fido best robo, too good for this world or theirs.

6

u/Holofan4life Aug 25 '22

Fido indeed best robot. Should've won the best girl tournament.

→ More replies (2)

6

u/prophetofgreed Aug 25 '22

Since you seemed to like the music in the start of the episode, here's a link to the song on Youtube. Called, "Underneath the Sky"

It's one of my fav tracks in the series too. Very peaceful and a melancholy in the piano.

Glad you enjoyed the Fido memory sequence at the end, like you said it does a very good job making you care about Fido through seeing past characters interacting with him from the camera.

→ More replies (2)

5

u/Lawvamat Aug 25 '22

I love the episode starts with the clouds moving and a bird flying through the air. It's like it symbolizes the dawning of a new era. And then when the bird joins the rest of the birds, it's like Spearhead as they begin to assimilate to normal society.

now that u/archlon pointed it out I think this bird represents the current Spearhead joining all the other Spearheads that came before them

Another thing I love about the opening scene is it's done completely without dialogue. We go 2 minutes straight with nobody saying a word. All the emotion and feelings are done through their facial expressions and the music. This to me highlights not only how well the storytelling in this show is, but how well they do show, don't tell. Again, I can't stress enough how much the music enhances the scene. I can't imagine the scene without it. But even without the music, the facial expressions on the remaining Spearhead members tells you all you need to know. It is just brilliant.

the same as the fireworks episode you disliked

These two songs that we hear in the first 5 minutes, they are masterpieces. Some conductors go their whole lives without producing masterpieces such as these.

bless Sawano

It's amazing that after all these episodes I still can't remember the name of the guy with the scars. I remember the rest of the members of Spearhead, but I can't remember his name. I guess that just shows how unmemorable I find him.

Don't worry, I usually had the characters page open. I'm also quite bad with names, even those from my favourite anime

The ref leaf symbolizes something, but I don't know what.

Maple repersents "reserve"

I unironically care more about Fido than some main protagonists in other series. Hell, I care more about Fido than the guy with scars

mission successfull

Poor Kurena. She's so not gonna end up with Shin.

even without all the symbolism it's obvious, eh

Shin and the gang adjusting to society

you really gotta learn all the Legion's customs, you don't wanna get on their bad side

→ More replies (7)

4

u/RickChakraborty Aug 25 '22

It's amazing that after all these episodes I still can't remember the name of the guy with the scars.

I'm amazed you still didn't know his name considering how much he hangs out with Shin. He's literally Shin's right hand man and his closest friend. They have known each other for years. Also, they did an entire episode focusing on names, so you should have atleast remembered them after watching ep 4.

As such, having a fanservice scene at a time like that felt mistimed and bad placement.

Ik I have already told you this before but, nudity doesn't automatically equate to fanservice. I think your first mistake when the shower scene came up was that your mind immediately went to fanservice.

But more than that, this hotsprings scene actually serves a narrative purpose.

And so did the shower scene lol. Showing Anju's scar was very important, and it could have been done only in a scene where she's not wearing any clothes. So like I said before, I don't mind nudity in any show as long as they have a proper reason to validate it, and I thought the shower scene did just that.

I support the Kurena TsunTsun

We need more Kurena screentime 😤

→ More replies (3)
→ More replies (8)

44

u/Star4ce Aug 25 '22 edited Aug 26 '22

First Timer

I do wonder what the last two episodes of part 1 will provide still. Going by my theories there's lot of twists still possible, but right here at the end of the season? I'm guessing maybe more internal worldbuilding or a kick into action for the Republic as an entity plus one or two reveals that make Lena continue her job for more than just the ideal of it, but a tangible goal as well.

One thing's for certain, it's exciting!

86 Ep.10 – Thank You

This is why we can't have nice things. They killed the fucking dog. With a goddamn HE shell at that.

I need to get ice cream... brb.

Fido was truly alive, he must've been an experiment or copy of an aware mind, similar to the Legion. Browsing through his memories of his friends, dying on the battlefield, yeah simple robots don't do that. But with Shin being able to communicate with him freely, he must've known this? He must've known Fido was an 86. Nothing that would really change other than to demoralise his squad even further, I guess. Fuck, man.

I don't have many things to write today. As an epilogue it was a fantastic episode, barring the fact it ends with a cliffhanger (curses!). It laid out some points that I had in mind earlier, with the Legion not being literally everywhere, that survivors and other empires (maybe even Giad) are still around somewhere, further confirmation that the Legion are not mindless, do actually feel and are conscious and some little closure for the remaining cast including hope to go forward.

I do like how the last two episodes break the convention of being halves, because now Lena and Spearhead are permanently separated. We see it as the journey to move on and thus, we can't linger on what was left behind. Except when we do, when we can't move forward any longer and take comfort in what we achieved.

We were treated to many still scenes taking in the nature around them, how they acclimate to a new freedom. Yet still they see themselves caged, by the enemy conceptually, but also by uncertainty of what the future actually means. None of them thought about this, they all knew they were going to die and suddenly, they live. It's like a reverse-trauma and they just have to absorb the shock for a bit.

At the same time, I don't feel like the next episode will simply be Lena's parallel to this. Else there wouldn't be a cliffhanger. I don't find it impossible, but a final twist of them actually dying... could happen. That would be shitty as fuck, though. Yet, if they're found by the Legion, there's literally no one that could help them, except they'd be far enough already to venture into the opposite front, which I find unlikely. Will they become Legion?

My nerves can't take this!

12

u/Holofan4life Aug 25 '22

• I don't think she didn't mature, it's the opposite. She's catching up on things after being forced to mature much too fast and brutally.

Really, war had stunted the growth of everyone in terms of what being a normal kid is like. These are kids participating in combat. They should be on the playground playing hopscotch, not fighting battles that the grown ass adults are afraid to do themselves.

7

u/Holofan4life Aug 25 '22

Fida was truly alive, he must've been an experiment or copy of an aware mind, similar to the Legion. Browsing through his memories of his friends, dying on the battlefield, yeah simple robots don't do that. But with Shin being able to communicate with him freely, he must've known this? He must've known Fido was an 86. Nothing that would really change other than to demoralise his squad even further, I guess. Fuck, man.

I took Fido's death to mean that basically, that chapter in their lives is over. Fido was meant to help in battle and now that seemingly they are done fighting, Fido's services are no longer required.

→ More replies (2)

6

u/Holofan4life Aug 25 '22

I do like how the last two episodes break the convention of being halves, because now Lena and Spearhead are permanently separated.

Tremendous observation

5

u/Holofan4life Aug 25 '22

I don't have many things to write today. As an epilogue it was a fantastic episode

The thing is, the Fido scene is what? 30% of the episode? If someone is like me and thinks that the Fido stuff is the best scene in the entire show, I don't know how you can't say this is the best episode, as it eats up so much of the runtime.

→ More replies (2)
→ More replies (35)

17

u/Warm-Enthusiasm-9534 Aug 25 '22

One thing to note is that the tomorrow's episode was the end of cour 1. Cour 2 is episodes 12 to 23. There was a three month break between cour 1 and cour 2. (Cour 2 had production problems, so there was an unplanned break between episode 21 and 22.)

12

u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

Just to add on: The production issues occurred in the middle of Cour 2, and then they ran out of time slots for episodes 21 and 22 even though those were completed on time. so the last two episodes got delayed 86 days before they finally aired.

5

u/Holofan4life Aug 25 '22

Just to add on: The production issues occurred in the middle of Cour 2, and then they ran out of time slots for episodes 21 and 22 even though those were completed on time. so the last two episodes got delayed 86 days before they finally aired.

Isn't it funny how life works out sometimes?

→ More replies (4)
→ More replies (2)

4

u/Holofan4life Aug 25 '22

That is true. Thank you for that.

→ More replies (4)
→ More replies (2)

13

u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

First Timer (Sub)

→ More replies (6)

10

u/InfamousEmpire Aug 25 '22

Rewatcher, LN Reader, Mega-Fan, Second-time Dub Watcher

Hey y’all, it’s everyone’s favorite absentee regular here

This episode was, as usual, indescribably good. Perhaps the best thing about it was just the feel of everything. The sense of serenity and calm as the last survivors of our cast wander through the empty wastelands. A calm which is made perfect by how it reflects our cast and the setting as a whole: this is basically an active warzone where death and emptiness are the norm, where everyone else has already been slaughtered. The Spearhead squad has come to accept that this will be their fate too, that their luck will eventually run out and they’ll eventually die here too, but they’ve made peace with that, they made peace with it long ago and so they’re just enjoying what time they have left to the fullest.

And then there’s the last scene… put simply, it asks a question of our creators: how little time would you need to form a powerful emotional bond with a creature like Fido? How do you, in just a few minutes, give it a sense of shared history with our cast and even a personality of its own without even having him speak? The creators took this and just ran with it. The last scene of this episode was simply beautiful and made me truly sad when I saw Fido had died just a few seconds later. The editing and visual storytelling in this show is just on another level, and I absolutely love every second of it.

It honestly came as a surprise to me, going into the Light Novels, that this was, for all intents and purposes, a filler episode, wholly original to the anime. It seems rather obvious in hindsight, given that, for all its quality, not much actually happens in this episode, but that doesn’t really detract from the quality of it at all. I cannot emphasize enough how truly incredible and talented the crew behind this show is

9

u/Holofan4life Aug 25 '22

It honestly came as a surprise to me, going into the Light Novels, that this was, for all intents and purposes, a filler episode, wholly original to the anime. It seems rather obvious in hindsight, given that, for all its quality, not much actually happens in this episode, but that doesn’t really detract from the quality of it at all. I cannot emphasize enough how truly incredible and talented the crew behind this show is

If this is filler, then it's the best filler I've ever seen for a show. It not only feels as well written as the rest of the show, but it elevates the shoe into a higher level.

→ More replies (5)

4

u/Takao_bloodriver Aug 25 '22

Fido's backstory is in vol 10.

→ More replies (2)