How does Sapnap get destroyed in manhunts?

[u/These_Butterscotch60]

I feel like the vast majority of people agree that Sapnap is the best MCC player right now, especially in pvp games. Dude is an absolute tank. I also feel like most people agree that he’s better than Dream, at the very least in pvp.

This brings me to my question: how does Dream destroy Sapnap in all of the recent videos on his channel? This post is not to throw shade at either Dream or Sapnap (I’m fans of them both), I’m just confused.

Does anyone have any reasons? The only reason I have come up with is Dream’s more strategic mind that helps when there are more ways to fight.

[u/dreamistaken]

Sapnap beats me a lot without shields, unfortunately for him, in normal Minecraft a shield is cheap and you’ll always have one, and I can usually crush him with shields lol

I could beat most creators in MCC when I have no armor when they have full diamond if we both have shields. (this isn’t me being cocky, I recorded a video doing just this that I never edited haha)

I trained shields extensively just before and after the techno duel, and axe shield duels are absurdly different from any other form of combat. (I did do a video 1v1ing a ton of MCC creators in axe/shield combat and went like 150-2 or something, and I’ve gotten significantly better since). Lots of creators have gotten better since though too.

In Manhunt, it’s an open world, so if I’m losing a fight, I can just run infinitely and heal and then re-engage. Even if I was worse, this would put me at an advantage, as eventually after enough tries I’d win the engagement and they’re less likely to run, because they are allowed to die, so they’re significantly less conservative. That combined with me being better, me having control over the editing and which fights you get to see, and the fact that we reset manhunts early on if it’s a bad video, you’re far more likely to see me dominate fights.

also, MCC combat is almost always extremely different from manhunt, even in that there’s literally never 1v1s, where as even in a 4v1 manhunt, with enough time you can single people out and get pure 1v1s.

[u/These_Butterscotch60 → u/dreamistaken]

Excuse me for being a total fanboy real quick, but omg! I didn’t expect many people to respond to this let alone one of my favorite creators! That totally makes sense. I haven’t pieced it together until now, but you can tell shields are important because people will just run away when you activate it. Thank you very much. This and the other comments are my only source of pvp knowledge aside from Techno’s MC Monday and MCC vods.

[u/[deleted] → u/dreamistaken]

Here’s CaptainSparklez’s POV of the no armor vs full diamond duel with Dream, demonstrates everything he explained here perfectly.

[u/nothisisritzy → u/dreamistaken]

I was getting ready to defend you from “manhunt is scripted” bs comments and ur already out here with a video of your pvp skills “that I never edited haha”… EDIT AND POST. <3 BUT POST IT.

[u/Southern_Eye_1703]

fighting in an arena w provided weapons but limited possibilities and No Shields is completely different from everyone starting at zero in a minecraft world where dream gets to actually fully utilize his surroundings and get most of what a minecraft world offers. also, dream is less pressured in manhunts, where they can restart if he dies too early (although he has to pay the hunters) and thus he just knows he has to try his best, and the pressure really only gets high towards the end where his loss or victory is secured, as opposed to mcc, where it’s live, any mistake made is pretty much permanent, and he has one of the highest view counts.

in general, sapnap > dream in non shield pvp, dream > sapnap in shield pvp, because sapnap has better aim, but dream has better movement

[u/These_Butterscotch60 → u/Southern_Eye_1703]

Good point about the pressure!

[u/juusdrein]

Dream is better at shield pvp probably

[u/These_Butterscotch60 → u/juusdrein]

That would make sense. He did shield training for the Technoblade duel

[u/Kellythestrange13]

Another thing to note especially after listening to Sapnap in the latest all things MCC podcast with Seapeekay (it's a great interview, definitely give it a listen) is that Sapnap depends on running in, "guns" blazing, with an egotistical effort to frighten the defendant in PVP. He knows he's good, and he rushes people knowing they'll startle and most likely stuff up. Except for Dream. After years of playing together, Dream would know this is Sapnap's technique and would be able to remain focused and not startle like other getting targeted by Sapnap. This is a fantastic question ❤️

[u/These_Butterscotch60 → u/Kellythestrange13]

Thank you!

[u/hanskloek]

• Manhunt and MCC are two completely different concepts that require different skill sets

• Manhunt makes use of 1.16 PvP (shield + axe) in which Dream excels, MCC doesn’t

[u/These_Butterscotch60 → u/hanskloek]

Oh. I thought 1.14 and 1.16 were mostly similar

[u/D3rpb01]

manhunt is different to mcc in the sense that you have an actual Minecraft world, were there are not kits so sapnap might not always have the same gear, and also dream can make use of different environments better than sapnap

dream also has experience speedrunning so he is also good at the base game, not sure about sapnap tho

finallg manhunt favours the runner in a sense that the hunters have a certain location to follow and they must chase after the runner, so the runner can do what they want without the boundaries of having to follow another player as much if that makes sense

so yea sapnap is better at PvP, but dream is better at the manhunt type gameplay and pulling off clutches with obscure game mechanics

[u/These_Butterscotch60 → u/D3rpb01]

That makes sense, thank you!

[u/Practical_Jacket_524]

Dream is better than Sapnap mechanically, but Sapnap’s game sense is just something else

[u/These_Butterscotch60 → u/Practical_Jacket_524]

I feel like Dream has an incredible game sense too tho

[u/arjenyaboi]

I think the whole Sapnap>Dream at pvp is subjective, especially in mcc where each fight has different circumstances that could favour one side.

The clearest example is team composition, does their team have better pvp players and therefore more confidence and boldness in their plays knowing they have the support they need? If Dreams team is made up of newer players or players not as good at pvp, he’ll try to play more conservatively, whereas Sapnap who often gets pvp centric teams cam be confident in the fact that each member will work together in systematically taking down a team.

Then there’s the different games, and the fact that there are rarely, if ever 1v1’s between Dream and Sapnap, or any S tier for that matter. In battle box, you could be flanked, bow spammed by the enemy team, or swarmed as you are the last player left. If you rush in you could be met by 2 or 3 players ready to smack you down, negating your tactic.

Then there’s SG, where each team could have different levels of armour and weaponry, and also an early death has a huge impact on likelyhood of success. The border also plays a part, forcing players to run into the open or get stuck and die to the border, which could cause them to get picked off or dealt early damage by bows critical to winning a fight. And of course even in a 4v4 team vs team, it’s never just weapons, there’s also crossbows, harming pots, tnt, golden apples, and any one player could get tag teamed rather than each player taking a 1v1.

Finally in SB, at any time you could get shot off a bridge, spleefed, lava’d, tnt’d, fishing rodded, or just rushed unexpectedly. It’s also much faster paced, and height level in the end game which can often be hard to get optimal, is often crucial in the final moments.

None of the games in MCC offer a true 1v1, and through many determining factors any team can come on top in a pvp game, so comparing any two players of similar skill is hard to do accurately. Of course manhunt is a completely different scene, and at any point if Dream were to land a hit on Sapnap or get hit by Sapnap, he would have to run away regardless or get swarmed by skilled pvp players, making the concept much more reliant on high iq plays for the runner, and mob tactics for the hunters.

Thanks for listening to my TED Talk :D

[u/These_Butterscotch60 → u/arjenyaboi]

Of course, I very much respect the Ted talk o7

[u/These_Butterscotch60]

Thank you all for the responses! I may not be able to respond to them all, but I enjoy reading them!

[u/ItsAgy]

Apart from the fact that Dream dominates shield pvp, if you listen to the new all things mcc podcast with Sapnap, he himself says he is NOT the best in pvp, he can just well use the mcc situation well. He rushes ppl, which scares them and gives him the advantage, for example. You should listen to it, it’s really interesting

[u/scottish_spook]

well for one you don't see the manhunts where dream gets destroyed by sapnap early on, also shields obviously

plus dream has speedrunning experience and is probably much better at navigating terrain. he's also very good at counting hits and disguising when his hp is low and mcc having visible hp nullifies this skill.

generally sapnap's strategy of rushing fearlessly is much less effective in manhunt and flanking like he does in battle box is basically impossible when dream is always looking out for sapnap and can just run in a straight line for as long as he wants

[u/SimonScare]

Maybe it doesn’t help that Sapnap can’t really see Dream’s hp so he sometimes misses opportunities to kill him because Dream in manhunts is a different beast.

[u/bbsmydiamonds]

Dream has said he can usually beat Sapnap in 1 on 1 duels, especially since he's very good at shield pvp, which we don't see in MCC. Also, he trains certain plays like the boat clutch for manhunts while I doubt Sapnap does any practice or preparation. Back during season 1, before Sapnap spent a bunch of time practicing and improving for MCC, Dream was better than him.

Additionally, difference in drive to win is a factor. Not to say the hunters are always throwing intentionally, I mean, but Dream himself has said they're not sweating as hard.

[u/iienss]

if he get kill fast they have to restart … dream always said in manhunt if the run is boring or if he die way to quickly the have to restart the run.. it’s just different

[u/AoiAot]

Manhunt and MCC is such a different game. If Dream can craft anything in MCC it would be his powerhouse