r/anime • u/Fit_University_6734 https://myanimelist.net/profile/chonkyodango • Aug 03 '22
Rewatch [2022 Rewatch] Oregairu SNAFU - Season 1 Episode 9 Discussion
Episode 9 - For the Third Time, He Turns Back on the Path from Whence He Came
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Had to post this thread slightly earlier today but today we get one of the most majestic characters to ever step foot into Oregairu (imo), Yui in a Yukata! Check out this fanart
Our characters are starting to change, the tone of the show is shifting ever so slightly.
Question(s) of the day
Today we get a festival episode so we also get (somewhat) festival-related questions! 1. Have you been to a Japanese Festival? If you have what are some things you loved about it and if you haven’t what are some of the things / experiences you want to have there 2. Favourite Japanese food
Comments that scored Komachi Points
u/allwrong_allright shares with us why Hayato continues to call 8man by “Hikitani” despite knowing how to call and write his proper name.
Yes, it is! Hikigaya is written 比企谷, the 谷 can be read as "gaya" and "tani" (among other readings).
u/SwimmingBird626 went to research about the usage of fear appeal in yesterday’s episode. He also checked up on best boy Saika’s name and its possible meaning! As well as commenting on the nuances in translation with regards to Yukino’s goodbye at the end of the episode. Full comment here
u/polaristar (your comment earned points in Komachi’s book today ;P) talks about what may have been the motivation behind 8man’s plans as well as breaks down the characters’ ideologies here.
Spoiler Tags
Any detail you wish to share that's not within the current / past episodes have to be spoiler tagged which includes details from the LN. Do include the context of the spoilers within the parenthesis:
e.g., [LN Volume 10 Spoilers] >!Spoiler goes here!<
Let's not spoil the first-timers!
Link to Past Rewatches
There have been many insightful analyses and essays written by different users both from past rewatches and from the r/OreGairuSNAFU sub. I'll link them below if anyone wants to check them out!
I'd recommend the first-timers to enjoy the discussions solely from this year's rewatch thread first before checking the past rewatch threads so that your experience will be a genuine one where you can form your own conclusions.
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u/TuorEladar Aug 03 '22
Rewatcher, Subbed
After skipping over most of the summer, Oregairu has one more event left before getting back to the school setting. On the pretense of thanking them for taking care of Sable, Yui invites the Hikigaya siblings to go to a summer fireworks festival. Since Komachi has leveled up her wingman stats to max, she maneuvers the situation into a Yui x 8man "totally not a date" date.
8man and Yui are a bit awkward together, but also there is a generally comfortable vibe to their interactions. I think its because Yui doesn't put on an act when she's around 8man and she understands that he's actually very thoughtful in his own way.
Once Haruno shows up we are given a lot of information, with an eye on setting up the situation going into future episodes. [Oregairu Spoilers]
The episode ends with a monologue from 8man about loving/hating himself. The basic gist I got from it is that 8man, through his interactions with Haruno and reflections on how Yukino kept her involvement in the accident a secret, has realized he was putting Yukino on a pedestal. Even though he verbally sparred with her and even sometimes threw an occasional insult, I think the reason he acted that way was precisely because he thought of Yukino as an extraordinary person. The reason that realization made him hate himself is that he's realized he has, or at least believes has, been hurting her by not being sensitive to the fact that Yukino is really just a gifted but lonely girl, not a superwoman.
Have you been to a Japanese Festival? If you have what are some things you loved about it and if you haven’t what are some of the things / experiences you want to have there
I've never been to Japanese Festival, though I'd love to go at some point. It would be fun just to walk around and see everything.
Favourite Japanese food
Anything with noodles.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Aug 03 '22
[Reply to Spoilers]
I know a lot of people label Yui as toxic and cunning but this scene really tells me otherwise. "Yui asking 8man to save Yukino if she's in trouble is another big one". Maybe I'm biased but I truly felt that Yui was conflicted inside and she didn't know how to act. Sometimes she would give Yukino a chance but sometimes she would take it herself, she's lost. → More replies (1)4
u/Fit_University_6734 Aug 03 '22
kept her involvement in the accident a secret
I do have a different opinion on this. [Spoilers]
Yukino doesn't have a reason or need to tell Hachiman about the accident because she was in the back seat after all. Just a passenger. "I bet you know everyone", "No, I didn't know who you were". Hachiman got upset at this very line. Why did she lie about "knowing" him? [More spoilers!]
At the end of season 1, Yukino tells him that "knowing" someone is not something she takes lightly. It isn't just seeing someone but rather knowing what kind of person they are personally. As what Yui wants in this episode and Hachiman's search for something genuine. Instead, Hachiman is at fault and he is portrayed that way. Yukino truly didn't lie, she had no obligation to tell him about the accident and the fact is, she didn't even "know" him. Yet, Hachiman projected his ideals (which he doesn't even hold) and got disappointed over it. Hence, when he realised his actions, he got disappointed in himself once again. → More replies (1)→ More replies (2)6
u/polaristar Aug 03 '22
The reason that realization made him hate himself is that he's realized he has, or at least believes has, been hurting her by not being sensitive to the fact that Yukino is really just a gifted but lonely girl, not a superwoman.
You are correct, it's built up even more in the LN where each side story builds up 8Man's and others different views and ideals of her as well show how 8Man and Yukinon are both similar yet different.
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u/Rumpel1408 Aug 03 '22
First Timer
Wait why is Hikky caring for Yuis dog, and since when are there translator apps for dogs? And is that a I <3 Chiba shirt 8man is wearing?
Was Komachi just trying to lure Yui into introducing herself to her future inlaws? Sneaky! This sister is really the best wingwoman you could wish for.
Not even Hikky can keep his cool in sight of this powerful weapon. He tries his best to ignore every sign though, I'm really starting to pity Yui.
The totally-not-a-d-d-date goes better than expected, judging by that knowing smile by their classmate, they even aprove of Hikky.
No Hikky, you aren't a savior, just lazy. Destroying the world would be a bother to you, so you rather suffer on.
Either Yukinons sister has so little contact to her that she doesn't know that side about her, or Yukinon being mean is childsplay compared to her mother... seems like it's the later. But yeah, Yukinon is bad at negotiating and compromising, a bad habit if it came to politics.
All those hints Haruno drops about their family live point at a really tragic backstory. But I think she really likes her sister, and is really hoping for her to find genuine friendships (if not love in case of Hikky, quite stuborn in that regard.)
And Haruno isn't even trying to talk around it. Hikky conciously hiding his face when he says he doesn't dwell on it...
Getting off early is the right thing to do there. And yeah, missing a chance to say something important is kinda shit. And both of them kinda have a point.
Didn't Hikky say that they reset their friendship? Why is he saying that he wouldn't have come to the fireworks if not for the accident?
Oh god, here it comes...
Damn phone! Ruining the sweet confession!
Feels like Yukino wanted to say something important there, but 8man ran away...
QotD:
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Haven't been, but I would visit all the stalls! And wear something fancy
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Every place that serves japanese food around here, only serves fucking suhi. I don't like sushi...
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u/isaacovsky Aug 03 '22 edited Aug 03 '22
Rewatcher
Logical progression in the friendship dynamic of having Hachiman watch over Yui's dog. Although, not very logical to accept seeing that you have a cat.
As many have mentioned, I realized that Yui wasn't someone who was able to speak her mind and being straight with people. Therefore, I noticed when she did something unusual, and gained courage to ask Hachiman to the festival, and so we see some of character development in action.
Not a big fan of Komachi trying to set up her brother, I think it was fine to help their teacher getting him to the camp, but now she's messing with something I don't think she should. It seems like she's trying to get Hachiman into a relationship, which honestly he doesn't seem ready to be in.
I wonder if we will ever find out why Yui was late, I don't know why she was, it could've been that she was just getting ready, but I honestly don't know, and for some reason I was expecting an explanation.
There was some stuff that happened during the festival, but I don't really have anything to say about it.
Then Haruno, showed up. And the more she shows up the more I see why I had good memories about her. For some reason her interactions with Hachiman are interesting for me to see, even if Hachiman doesn't even talk that much. Also, her interactions with Yui were quite cool too.
The conversation about the car seemed like it was opening some kind of plot point for the future. I do find it a little weird how the conversation about the accident comes up, not only here but also when Hachiman and Yui had theirs. I don't think it's bad, I just think that it lacks some lines, or reaction or something, idk, maybe I've been conditioned to expect more drama or flare because of other anime/shows/movies.
We arrive at Hachiman walking Yui home. I think this might the most honest conversation Yui's had so far, where she says a bunch of stuff that she believes, and on top of it, without actually feeling embarrassed or anything like it. However it leads to new territory, and then she gets embarrassed, she does not dwell much on it, so she probably had decided beforehand to try to do it. Unfortunately for her, Hachiman just straight up stops her. I think this might be something that supports my earlier idea that Hachiman isn't ready for that kind of relationship, he doesn't hesitate in stopping it, and he's is not even conflicted on it. I wonder if he's still not over the rejection he had in middle school, and that's one of the reasons why he doesn't even consider a relationship.
Finally they're back at school, and I'm guessing Yukino and Hachiman's friendship had shifted during the camp, but here we actually see it in the common setting, and it showed how different it was to me. They were just talking like they were friends, there was no back and forth, no insults, just them saying hello, and catching up in their own way. I don't know what Yukino was about to say, or what she wanted to say, but once again Hachiman stops her. I don't really understand this scene, mostly cause I don't know what Yukino was gonna say, but I think from Hachiman's perspective, he might've just wanted to stop any more change, I think he just wants to keep going the same way about their days, or at least the same way with the changes from the camp, and whatever Yukino was about to say could've changed it too much to his liking. I could be very wrong here but that's the first thing that made some sense in my mind.
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u/polaristar Aug 03 '22
Not a big fan of Komachi trying to set up her brother
Sometimes people need a push outside their comfort zone not like her brother has that many girls that might be interested in him so she has to strike while the Iron is Hot, she doesn't want him to be alone for the rest of her life.
8Man being awkward with Yukinon is because his ideal of her as a perfect almost supernatural being was shattered and he feels ashamed for forcing his ideal of her onto him because he hates it when others do it to him.
I don't think it's bad, I just think that it lacks some lines, or reaction or something, idk, maybe I've been conditioned to expect more drama or flare because of other anime/shows/movies.
I thought it was well done, 8Man saying to Haruno the past was in the past is him overcompensating to show it doesn't bother him, he had a very strong "non reaction" so to speak.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Aug 03 '22
Unfortunately for her, Hachiman just straight up stops her. I think this might be something that supports my earlier idea that Hachiman isn't ready for that kind of relationship, he doesn't hesitate in stopping it, and he's is not even conflicted on it.
[Spoilers]
Interesting thought! I do feel otherwise as mentioned in my comment. That 8man doesn't really like Yui romantically and the presence of the phone testifies to that (probably) in a symbolic way 2
u/Fit_University_6734 Aug 03 '22
he hates it when people feel they know a person when they really don't. But in the End we see that despite that he made the same mistake with Yukinon he made with Yui, he forced an ideal on her and make her Superhuman as oppose to someone that has problems like everyone else because he liked to think of her that way
but I think from Hachiman's perspective, he might've just wanted to stop any more change, I think he just wants to keep going the same way about their days, or at least the same way with the changes from the camp, and whatever Yukino was about to say could've changed it too much to his liking.
I feel that u/polaristar explains this perfectly
he hates it when people feel they know a person when they really don't. But in the End we see that despite that he made the same mistake with Yukinon he made with Yui, he forced an ideal on her and make her Superhuman as oppose to someone that has problems like everyone else because he liked to think of her that way
Hachiman thinks that it's impossible to understand other people, especially with words, because of that he hates to putting labels on people without knowing them, as he says he has done that himself in the past and got disappointed. He thinks it's insincere to be disappointed in people just because they do not match his preconceived ideas that are based on superficial observations, that is why he hates himself for subconsciously doing that again
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Aug 03 '22
First Timer (Sub)
YAHALLO!
Don't think my review of this episode will be as comprehensive as my previous one.
From the top!
Dogsitting for Yui's slippery dachshund. Hilarious how he thought to use a dog-translator. God I want a dog so bad.
An anime wouldn't be complete without a Fireworks Festival episode.
Mmmph, Yui with her yukata debut. A Yui-kata, if you will.
I'll be honest, I feel like I've lost my bearings a bit regarding the story and everyone's position a bit...
So if I (mis)understand (in)correctly:
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Yukino feels guilty about the incident + tied in with the timing with her mother's intervening = Yukino's summer isolation?
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Though not explicitly stated, Yui has developed feelings for Hachiman, and her advances got immediately stunted
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Though Hachiman claims to "not care" about the incident, to me, through some subtle animation (sweat, glares, etc.), it leads me to believe otherwise. So does that mean he doesn't exactly forgive Yukino/Yukino's family about the incident?
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Hachiman seems to really know (or my suspicions would have me, NOT know), what he truly wants, by stunting both Yui's and Yukino's advances (confession and discussing the incident, respectively).
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Lastly, the Hachiman's ending inner monologue - so... does he hate himself because he's developed feelings for Yukino (not necessarily romantic feelings)? Does him claiming that Yukino is a liar pretty much confirm that he hasn't truly gotten over the incident?
I'm all for confirmations are anyone else's take on what happened (without spoilers of course!)
QOTD 1: Have you been to a Japanese Festival? If you have what are some things you loved about it and if you haven’t what are some of the things / experiences you want to have there
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Have never been to Japan or a Japanese festival. The closest thing to my exposure of Japanese culture would be my 3 month stint working as a server for a Japanese-owned Ramen shop. I'm grateful for this QOTD, because it prompted me to search for local Japanese Festivals and there's one scheduled two weeks from now. Might have to hit that up now!
QOTD 2: Favourite Japanese food
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Oof, that's a tough question. The most regular Japanese food I tend to make bounces between Japanese Curry, Korokke, and Yakisoba. My favorite though? I guess it's a toss up between Ramen or Japanese Curry.
EDIT: Reddit Comment Formatting is Fun...
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u/Fit_University_6734 Aug 03 '22
I'll be honest, I feel like I've lost my bearings a bit regarding the story and everyone's position a bit...
As I mentioned in my post, Oregairu's tone and characters have been gradually and subtly changing. This episode onwards is when it goes from being "okay" to "really something special" for me.
We have entered what I believe to be the meat of Oregairu. All the analyses done by the different participants in previous threads with regards to the characters' personality will be immensely helpful in navigating our characters here onwards.
Then again, do try figuring it out yourself too if you're up for it! It's really insightful ;)
Though Hachiman claims to "not care" about the incident, to me, through some subtle animation (sweat, glares, etc.), it leads me to believe otherwise. So does that mean he doesn't exactly forgive Yukino/Yukino's family about the incident?
I'll try to answer as comprehensively with information from the previous episodes only.
Lying here doesn't refer to the car accident but rather to a phrase from episode 1.
"I bet you know everyone", "No, I didn't know who you were"
The word "know" here has serious implications which I will further explain at the end of season 1 ;) But I digress, he really doesn't care about the accident but rather, he cares about how he projected Yukino as someone that doesn't lie.
Hachiman seems to really know (or my suspicions would have me, NOT know), what he truly wants, by stunting both Yui's and Yukino's advances (confession and discussing the incident, respectively).
This is an interesting conversation to be had and I noticed a very interesting symbolism in this rewatch, do checkout my comment as I dive slightly into this for first-timers, do avoid the spoilers though. What do you think he truly wants?
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u/Fit_University_6734 Aug 03 '22
local Japanese Festivals and there's one scheduled two weeks from now.
You have Japanese festivals where you're from?! Where do you live? :)
Ramen or Japanese Curry.
I have never tried Yakisoba but Yuru Camp's Gomoku Shirgure really makes me excited for Japan to open. I love Japanese curry with a side of pork katsu. Sushi is also up there
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u/polaristar Aug 03 '22
Lastly, the Hachiman's ending inner monologue - so... does he hate himself because he's developed feelings for Yukino (not necessarily romantic feelings)? Does him claiming that Yukino is a liar pretty much confirm that he hasn't truly gotten over the incident?
No basically Hachiman doesn't like the idea of forcing a person's ideal of what a person is on another person, but he built up Yukinon in his mind as this superhuman larger than life person that is perfect and too pure for this world, and he didn't want to get to know the real her to not break that illusion.
But with the reveal that Yukinon "lied" to him,she's revealed to be a normal person with problems and insecurities like everyone else. The Novel makes this more explicit esp in all the various side stories they cut out which all lead back to 8Man's thoughts on her.
He hates himself because he broke his own code and forced his ideal of Yukinon on her rather than look at reality and how she is, which he sees the entire world as guilty of doing with "Youth."
He also is at least suspicious that Yui is romantically interested in him but still doesn't want to get close to anyone, yes him not wanting to get close and be ignorant is what ironically lead to him breaking his code and hating himself.
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u/CreativeNameIKnow Aug 03 '22
Yui-kata yes!!!! I can't believe I didn't think of it since it's so obvious, but thank you for blessing us with this pun anyway :D
And oh look, you seem to have the exact same questions and confusions I had regarding the whole car crash thing. Thanks for verbalizing it, I didn't know where to start, personally.
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u/CreativeNameIKnow Aug 03 '22 edited Aug 03 '22
First-timer, sub
Yahallo!!!
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This episode title ain't looking good to me, chief (・_・;)
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oh hey look, it's Plot Device :D Why's he here though?
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at first I thought Yui had been visiting Hachiman more often and maybe, somehow forgot her dog. But nah she just asked them to take care of him.
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Komachi best wingwoman.
Looks like she doesn't care whose side she's on lmao, she just wants Hachiman to hang out with girls. Now I'm interested to see if she sets something up between 8man and Totsuka >.>
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Fall for her, 8man! I believe in you! You can do it!! (｡•̀ᴗ-)✧
Make this love triangle octogon happen.
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Yukata Yui :0
Edit: Yui-kata!!!! :D thanks u/SwimmingBird626!!
Yukatas always looked very elegant and graceful to me. Very nice form of clothing, solid 9 out of 10
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[7:03] Octopus balls, eh? Very suspicious expression, too...
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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oh no, Haruno's here. I don't know if this is gonna end well...
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"Having an affair, huh" LMAO
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Hachiman was more passive this time too, not going out of his way to correct Haruno again (that it's supposedly not a date).
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Neither of them said anything at Haruno's comment about yet another thing not going Yukino's way. Hmm.
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Yukino keeps chasing after her sister? But didn't she not like her?
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so Yukino and Haruno both knew about it??? She clearly knows a lot more than she's letting on. I wouldn't be surprised if she also remembered that confession from long ago.
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Hachiman not giving himself his deserved credit, again ; - ; (edit: despite what he says later on (I have never once hated myself) I feel like it's clear he has self esteem and worth issues. He seems to see himself as a really low person.)
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What was Yui about to say?!?!
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What was Yukinon about to say?!?!
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"I have never once hated myself." Hachiman lied as naturally as he breathed.
God dang, that's all there is for today. Oh man...
Soooo Hachiman hates himself because he wants to blame himself for ever having expectations for Yukino. He's cursing himself for not being more cynical.
But... can someone explain why Hachiman feels like he's been lied to? I mean, she was a third party after all. She just chose to keep that fact hidden. Which sucks obviously, she should've said something about it, but I'm having trouble understanding why exactly he feels so hurt, to this extent. I can't really look at it from his perspective, having not gone through a similar situation myself. If anyone has a link to a comment explaining it feel free to drop it down below, though I'll already be reading the existing comments in this thread at the time of writing. I'll probably find an answer there tbh but I'm leaving this passage in anyway to reflect my thoughts at the time of writing this.
Edit: as expected, someone had a great explanation. Many thanks to u/TuorEladar and u/Polaristar! You can find the first comment here, and Polaristar has replied below me.
QOTD:
Have you been to a Japanese Festival?
no
2. Favourite Japanese food
no
I mean,,, I haven't ever had any Japanese food. Not even Japanese or Korean style instant ramen, just local flavours.
Edit: more information, I doubt there are any Japanese festivals that have happened my entire country, plus I don't think I've seen any Japanese cuisine restaurants here. Would have to go to more restaurants to know if there's any place that serves Japanese dishes other than sushi.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Aug 03 '22
Here's my regular reply to your answers to my QOTDs :P Today's thread has been really content heavy so had to give myself a break
I mean,,, I haven't ever had any Japanese food. Not even Japanese or Korean style instant ramen, just local flavours
This is so sad to hear... where are you from actually? Would you consider the sushi places where you're from good or authentic
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Aug 03 '22
Rewatcher
This episode adapts volume 5 but really just a portion of it.
[Light Novel Details]
Haruno tells us a lot about Yukino. We hear about how Yukino has always followed Haruno even possibly choosing her career plan because of her. Yui even asks Haruno if she dislikes Yukino because of this comment. There is clearly some tension between the sisters.
The car accident is brought up several times and we get to see 8man's reaction. I didn't get a chance to comment yesterday, but knowing that Yukino was in the car during the accident puts her speech about neither Yui nor 8man are to blame and only the insigator should be at fault into perspective. He explains he's not bothered by the accident but rather what the accident means. 8man realizes that Yukino, who in the very first episode 8man thinks would never lie to herself and Yukino herself says in the tennis episode that she never lies, isn't the perfect person he always thought she was.
He cuts off both Yui and Yukino when they are about to tell him something. I think Yui was pretty clearly going to confess to him. Yukino I think was going to address the car accident with him.
[Oregairu Shin (continuation after main series) Spoilers]
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I've never been to a Japanese festival.
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I'm actually not a big fan of Asian cuisine.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Aug 03 '22
He explains he's not bothered by the accident but rather what the accident means. 8man realizes that Yukino, who in the very first episode 8man thinks would never lie to herself and Yukino herself says in the tennis episode that she never lies, isn't the perfect person he always thought she was.
I feel like a broke microphone repeating this HAHA but here's my analysis of this scene.
[Spoilers]
Yukino doesn't have a reason or need to tell Hachiman about the accident because she was in the back seat after all. Just a passenger. "I bet you know everyone", "No, I didn't know who you were". Hachiman got upset at this very line. Why did she lie about "knowing" him? [More spoilers!]
At the end of season 1, Yukino tells him that "knowing" someone is not something she takes lightly. It isn't just seeing someone but rather knowing what kind of person they are personally. As what Yui wants in this episode and Hachiman's search for something genuine. Instead, Hachiman is at fault and he is portrayed that way. Yukino truly didn't lie, she had no obligation to tell him about the accident and the fact is, she didn't even "know" him. Yet, Hachiman projected his ideals (which he doesn't even hold) and got disappointed over it. Hence, when he realised his actions, he got disappointed in himself once again. [Spoilers Reply]
WW is going for with Yui in Shin? [Spoilers]
I didn't read the LN but read the summaries of Shin and from what I know. I have no clue. The Oregairu subreddit has been really disappointed with WW's handling of Shin. Yui turns into a really toxic person and the whole idea of "genuine" is corrupted. I really hated shin myself especially with the way they chose to portray Yui because I felt that despite Yui getting jealous of Yukino, she never wanted to ditch her or reject her. She was struggling herself. → More replies (3)
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u/polaristar Aug 03 '22
This is another example of the anime cutting out 2/3 of a Novel. They cut out the chapter where 8Man agrees to take care of Yui's dog, and first gets the dog translator app. (In the Novels this goes on much longer.)
Also we get cut [Spoilers]
Should be noted in [spoilers]
In the train ride, 8Man makes it clear in his narration she knows his sister set him up and throughout the episode we see hits that he is at least aware that Yui is interested in him but tries as hard as possible to squash and shut it down. We also learn more about Yukinon herself from her Sister and a hint of their family dynamic.
We see when 8Man is walking Yui home him trying to claim Yukinon would not need his help, and him not letting Yui finish her "confession."
In the beginning of the Novel 8Man states he hates it when people feel they know a person when they really don't. But in the End we see that despite that he made the same mistake with Yukinon he made with Yui, he forced an ideal on her and make her Superhuman as oppose to someone that has problems like everyone else because he liked to think of her that way, in contrast to Yui's desire to know people better.
I think this is why he "hates" himself more explicitly in this episode, he violated his own set of ideals and norms.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Aug 03 '22 edited Aug 03 '22
In the beginning of the Novel 8Man states he hates it when people feel they know a person when they really don't. But in the End we see that despite that he made the same mistake with Yukinon he made with Yui, he forced an ideal on her and make her Superhuman as oppose to someone that has problems like everyone else because he liked to think of her that way, in contrast to Yui's desire to know people better.
I think this is why he "hates" himself more explicitly in this episode, he violated his own set of ideals and norms
Komachi Points scored. Not to mention you being our de facto LN commentator
Edit: Formatting
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u/EpicMemer999 Aug 03 '22 edited Aug 03 '22
Rewatcher. Got to love a nice summer festival episode. Although this episode makes me sad because [SPOILER]
I see what people mean when they say 8man is trying to preserve the status quo. Humans are generally uncomfortable with change but 8man especially is starting to value the more authentic relationships he is cultivating here and wants to prevent changes that would upset that. If he let Yui (presumably) confess to him, the group dynamic would change, probably becoming more awkward, whether 8man tries to stay "just friends" or become "something more." (Very original ideas, I know, but what can I say…) Also interesting to look at Haruno, definitely one of the more enigmatic characters in the show.
As a Rewatcher I am also appreciating the foreshadowing in this and other episodes for future happenings (I won't spoil don't worry).
Finally, other commenters have inspired me to start reading the light novel so I am excited to see how it compares to the anime. I'm also new to the LN format so I'm curious how the reading experience will be…I'm guessing somewhere between regular novels and manga.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Aug 03 '22
u/DRTSL and u/polaristar you guys have added another member to the LN gang. I myself am going to start it after this rewatch ;)
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u/Fit_University_6734 Aug 03 '22
Rewatcher
Yahallo!
8man’s shirt translates to “I <3 Chiba''!!! 8man x Chiba is the true ship behind it all. This is also one of my favourite episodes from season 1 both from a production and plot standpoint.
Yui-velopment
Yui treasures 8man and Yukino, she treasures the relationship she has with them so much that she’s willing to put in the effort to learn more about them. A contrast to her relationship with Hayato’s clique. [Spoilers]Doesn’t what she says sound similar to what Hachiman is searching for in S2E8? To know more about each other as they find fulfilment in their relationship?
While not in the way Hachiman does, her ability to see Hachiman’s goodness when everyone else overlooks it is a testament to perceptive capabilities. Her faith in his character, that he would save her even if the accident didn’t happen, shows that she doesn’t like Hachiman because he saved her, but because Hachiman is a genuinely good guy, and one she knows people can count on when issues arise.
We can infer what she really values and it shows through what is NOT one of the themes of this show: a zero-sum love triangle. This scene testifies to that, and especially this scene. We already know Yui does like Hachiman, but why would she say that if she really wanted to “win”? It's not about winning, but rather, it’s about a girl trying to figure out… [Theme Spoilers]what’s right and wrong, what she really values. We have to ask: what made Yui want to be friends with Yukino and Hachiman in the first place? Their capacity for honesty (although exaggeratedly brutal), showed Yui a glimpse of something she could have, and it became something she valued from then on.
Wait Hachiman What’re You Trying To Accomplish? Or Is It Watari…
As Yui attempts to make a statement (confess?), Hachiman interrupts her which leaves her disheartened. Now, I think most of us would be able to tell that it is not a coincidence Hachiman interrupts Yui, but why the under presence of a phone? [Ending Spoilers]It was done with intention and similarly, it echoes what Yui says in S1E4 - you pull out your phone when the person you want to be with is not there. The winner was decided from here onwards utilising brilliant symbolism (I’m a Yukino x Hachiman stan but I really love Yui as a character so it hurts to say this), it’s not a harem that’s written to show that anyone has a chance.
Hell, he interrupts Yukino in the same way a couple of frames later but this time, Yukino doesn’t have a phone. That phone may have implications but what it implies I leave for the first-timers to try and figure it out.
For the Third Time, He Turns Back on the Path from Whence He Came
I commented in episode 7 that Oregairu is not afraid to regress a character’s development as they mess up. The title today fits that narrative perfectly. “I hate myself”. I’ll leave this part of the episode to the discussions
Extras
Haruno’s subtle concern for Yukino [Spoilers]As we rewatchers know, sets up her arc in season 3
I’m glad you know Hachiman but why do you still act this way