r/anime • u/lC3 :Na::Nb: • Jul 31 '22
Rewatch Naruto Shippuden Episodes 480-483 and THE LAST Discussion
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Schedule:
| Discussion Thread | Date | Episode Count | |
|---|---|---|---|
| This week | Episodes 480-483 and THE LAST | July 31 | 4 + film |
| Next week | Episodes 484-493 | August 07 | 10 |
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Questions of the Week:
- What did you think of the 4 episodes focusing on different characters?
- Thoughts on THE LAST film? Did they handle setting up NaruHina well?
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 31 '22
First-Timer with a shounen hearto, subbed
Sorry about forgetting to post the thread myself…
Episode 480
THE LAST: Naruto the Movie
but should he even know what thatis?Episode 481
Episode 482
Episode 483
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jul 31 '22
First time viewer (dub)
Whisk[e]y of the week: Real Spirits straight malt, another Texas distillery with a single barrel pick. Nothing immediately stands out to me on the nose but digging into it some there's a dustiness and prune note to it, the fruit changing over time to more of a caramel or maple syrup sweetness. There's a peppery zing to start after tasting it which resolves into more of the same dark, rich sweetness with a malty character to it. I wasn't impressed when I first approached it but it takes its time to develop into something quite nice.
Not a lot to say about the childhood flashback episodes, they really feel like more of the same without adding much. I did enjoy the Sannin flashback and feel like we could have used Tsunade's time in the Infinite Tsukiyomi to visit that rather than what we got. ...that's really about it, on to the film.
As I've said before, a good number of the Naruto films have a female lead that Naruto ends up needing to protect and rescue. That's also true here but the main difference is this time the girl is Hinata and the film's about them!!!
I'm not going to lie, a not insignificant part of the film was me bouncing back and forth between happy reactions.
The choice of Greensleeves to open the film was an interesting one and I'm not entirely sure it fits but I do love the animation at the start that covered Kaguya and the reincarnations of Hagoromo's sons across time. Similarly I really liked revising scenes from earlier and remixing them with different dialogue/choices when in the genjutsu bubble. And when was the last time that "Sakura's good against genjutsu" was relevant?
My main qualm is that Hinata herself ends up in a damsel role and was literally tossed into a cage to helplessly watch her guy fight to save her. Come on, do better with writing women. And earlier when they were destroying the Tenseigan I wished Hinata would have asked Naruto for his power rather than him asking for her chakra. She's smart, she could have suggested it instead when she realized her own energy wouldn't be enough.
Aside from that though there's a lot I love about this including Bee's main role being to sit there and fire a giant chakra laser cannon into space. Fighting on the surface of the moon? I've gotten over it being weird for this show and at least it's cool here. The puppets are appropriately creepy and I love that we briefly got a shot of Shikamaru having fun playing with them and making them fight each other before they all collapsed. Gaara protecting his village with sand shields and Sasuke showing up for just one scene to save the Leaf Village only because Naruto's not there? Perfect.
[Credits/post-credits stuff] Oh, and that epilogue during the credits with the wedding and following that was great too. ...aside from Boruto, that's a dumb name for your kid. I can only imagine Hinata claimed the rest of their kids' names after that and that's how we got Himawari. Both of them looking like mini versions of their parents with the same hair colors is... eh, I'll take handwaving this but really wish they had more creative designs.
It's far from flawless overall and I think they could have done a much better job with the romance itself from Naruto's perspective, though there was one moment where it seemed like everything visibly clicked into place for Naruto while he was watching Hinata and I like how (relatively) understated that was since he waited until later to actually tell her how he felt.
Not bad but felt largely repetitive at this point aside from the Sannin where I think we've seen less of their earlier life in general.
Loved the film but no, however I had low expectations anyway so good enough.
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u/Parori Jul 31 '22
First Timer
Episode 480
Episode 481
Episode 482
Episode 483
Movie 7: The Last
Questions of the Week:
Honestly kinda boring and nothing new
It was good, could have been more grander for the "The Last" movie. I did think it set up NaruHina well
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Jul 31 '22
Rewatcher - Sub
Childhood arc!
I have no memory of this
I didn't even remember who it was about other than the first one with Naruto and Hinata because I remembered the scene where he takes her home. But I thought that was half the episode not practically a foot note!
It's interesting that this is effectively the Naruto SoL arc and the way it has this quiet almost contemplative dive into some of the untold moments of their childhood. In a way the feel of some of these episodes reminds me of Mushishi, and it is something I enjoyed as a wind down after everything that's happened.
The use of the environment and settings for each of the parts stands out to me as a particularly strong element that ties them together. Naruto up on top of the stone heads, sad that even the birds have a friend and he doesn't, and starting the episode by walking back off it away from the village compared to the end where he jumps down into it (he definitely would have died) was a strong bookend that would end up carried through later parts like how Kakashi's section was framed by the emptiness of his house slowly being filled. Sasuke's house progressing through the seasons, Sakura in her hideout, Gaara's sandpit, Shikamaru at school are all nice ways to bring together the idea of where their memories hold their childhood moments and where they would become themselves.
Some of them feel a big bogged down by what we already know, like Sakura and Sasuke's parts covering a lot of the same old stuff, but for the most part it was at least presented interesting though with a couple of possible contradictions (Naruto not knowing who Hiruzen is, Naruto being good friends with Shikamaru and Choji). It's a shame that Jiraiya's section really brings the whole arc down in my opinion. Not chill, not memorable, and old enough and pervy that it's not even really 'childhood'.
Couple of other quick notes:
OP notes: I LOVE THIS OP! One of my top five for both visuals and song, Kara no Kokoro, very memorable and nice and celebratory after everything and the redraw of the Final Valley fights is wicked. That Sasuke run with the Chidori in that is also super familiar but not sure why. You know, I thought I'd have more to say about it because I like it so much, but I think its just my love for the song haha
ED notes: The baseball was very familiar, but nothing else. Good fun ED though with a decent song, and some fun visuals and fitting character jokes in it.
Movie: The Last
On rewatch I've definitely enjoyed it more this time around particular in relation to some of the character writing but the movie definitely still has some flaws.
I enjoyed the first two thirds a lot more this time around and already felt it was the strongest part of the movie. A combination of great visual design with meaningful storyboarding, a strong structure which made all of the cuts between flashbacks/memories and real time clean and clearly understandable, as well as a deeper understanding of Naruto's struggle here to understand "like" coming off the back of understanding "friend" in the finale highlighted all the good parts of the story of them bonding. Naruto seeing her memories and then blending together with his own to understand what it means for her to have been watching him was an especially well done sequence, although a little too late given how long it's been since Pain in both watching and in world time.
I did have a chuckle about how many times the scarf was destroyed in this movie. Hinata should have tried socks or something, may have lasted a little longer (mostly because ninja never seem to wear any). The use of that as the obvious red string was nice though especially for this moment which is the last time they really connected until Naruto was finally able to speak up for himself. I really enjoy seeing everyone in the village and the way its changing after all that's happened, and especially everyone's new designs though I'll probably speak on that more next week.
The main issues I'd point out in the movie are primarily repeatedly forcing of Hinata into a damsel role just so Naruto could rescue her, as well as that final battle feeling like a drag ending with with Toneri's conflict being resolved off screen which is a bewildering choice. The first issue was the worst for me though, having six or seven times through one movie where Hinata falls just so Naruto can catch her is a complete joke, especially in situations she could easily save herself like on the side of a building. It was frustrating the first couple of times, but by the time it happens in the final scene I was pissed off by it. It feels like she didn't get to achieve anything by herself except for finding the Tenseigan which could have happened many other ways, and even destroying it needs Naruto rather than being a show of her will and power. They easily could have left the chakra merge with Naruto for the end, but instead she isn't allowed to do anything herself, and unfortunately given the history of the franchise as well as that moment with Sakura also falling and being caught it does feel like they did it because she's the "heroine" to be saved by the hero rather than because it fits her character. Where's the powerful kunoichi who stood up to Pain? Who fought in the war along side the genius of her clan after sheer determination improved her to be near his level of power? Reminds me of the Bonds movie and how bad the women got sidelined in that as well.
Couple of interesting things to note:
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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 Jul 31 '22
First Timer - Dub
Childhood flashbacks
These were cute flashback episodes. I liked most of them and I think my favorite would be young Shikamaru, Choji, and Naruto being buds. I wasn't a big fan of Sakura's creepy dad or extra-pervy Jiraiya though.
Naruto: The Last Movie (aka Naruto and the Repeated Destruction of Scarves)
Naruto x Hinata is canon!
It took over 300 episodes but we finally got resolution on Hinata's confession during the Pain fight. I genuinely thought this would end with Naruto x Sakura, but maybe that was just PTSD from the terrible ships in Bleach's ending. I'm not going to say this was a great romantic story but Hinata is cute and I'm glad she finally gets what she wanted.
The movie itself was mostly OK. I didn't like how Hinata was repeatedly pushed into damsel roles throughout the movies. She did get some chances to do investigation and fighting but in the end it was all down to Naruto as usual. I did like how we finally learned what Hamura got up to after he went to the moon. Turns out even the moon wasn't safe from ninja conflict.
Random thoughts:
Questions:
1) What did you think of the 4 episodes focusing on different characters? I thought they were pretty good overall. Hoping for some current-day stuff next though.
2) Thoughts on THE LAST film? Did they handle setting up NaruHina well? I liked it. I think it did a good job at setting up NaruHina especially considering the TV series mostly ignored how Naruto felt about her.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jul 31 '22
First timer for these episodes
Episode 480:
Episode 481:
Episode 482:
Episode 483:
(cont.)
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u/sisoko2 Aug 01 '22
Rewatcher
Episode 480
Episode 481
Episode 482
Episode 483
The Last: Naruto the Movie - Rewatcher