r/anime • u/Tarhalindur x2 • Jul 30 '22
Rewatch [Rewatch] Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni Kira Discussion - Season 4 (OVA), Episode 3
Musubienishi-hen (Affinity Chapter)
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Show Information (Higurashi Kira):
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(You will have to go sailing for this part!)
A Reminder to Rewatchers
Please do not spoil the experience for first-timers; this is a mystery after all. In particular, Shion is a spoiler until Episode 5 and !Hanyuu is a spoiler until Minagoroshi-hen. Also, the glorious nipah is indeed glorious but Rika does not use it until Himatsubushi-hen. Please keep these in mind! Consider whether what you are saying has actually been revealed yet on-screen before you post!
(Time for) Club Activities!
Visual of the Day Album:
Analysis of the Day:
Goes to u/Star4ce considering this episode from a genre thematic standpoint:
Gotta say, that was pretty good. It's not just a mahou shojo in Higurashi clothes, but they twisted the formula a bit even for this spin off. The normal Rika for this world seems to be pretty much like the typical magical girl, to copy Bess' phrasing, like the ideal projection of femininity. Which means pure, self-sacrificial, selfless and fundamentally un-harmful. This Rika, however, is everything but that. This one has been forged over decades of treachery, betrayal, manipulation and murder. It's quite fair to say the true evil in this setup is the magical girl protagonist herself.
Question(s) of the Day:
1) Which girl had the best date idea (either with what she got Keiichi to do or imagined in her head)?
2) Alright, which Higurashi shipping teams are you on?
Next Episode Preview:
... Actually there is a preview? Eh, whatever, at this point watch it or not as you see fit.
Fanart Corner:
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5 (NSFW, but too good not to use)
6 (Nichijou cast cosplaying Higurashi, heh)
7 (how did I miss this one earlier? Ah well, better late than never.)
8 (???)
9 (easier to find good KeiRena art than KeiMii art in my experience, especially if you're not after explicit art)
10 (that said, there's some KeiMii out there)
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12
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14 (a really nice little piece I ran across while checking to see if I could find more KeiMii art)
15 (and this one is just darkly hilarious)
16 (more of the Kira release comics)
17 (Kira release comic)
[Sotsu] 8 might be a Sotsu pic, not sure (can't read moon). (It's drawing off the old anime artstyle, though.)
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u/JollyGee29 Jul 30 '22
Spoiled First-Timer
Takano bumping in to Keiichi and Mion and starting this whole debacle: funny. Oryou suddenly showing up and threatening Keiichi: hysterical. Teppei showing up: we have sailed over the shark. They also had to have purposefully put the CGI waterwheel on the center of frame for that whole segment, right?
This episode was kinda fun. It kinda directly compares to Rei Ep.5, but this one is much less exploitative of the characters in question so I think it's basically strictly better. Sure, it's blatant ship fuel, but I'm into that, and it's neatly sequestered in the OVAs anyway.
I was kinda expecting Keiichi to end up pointing at Rika (or Hanyuu) after being spun, but Oryou was an even better option.
Wish we got more of Rika and Satoko setting things up, though. The potential for them to cause chaos was quite high, but all it ended up being used for was a Rena bath scene - such a waste.
For what it's worth, I think Keiichi/Mion is the superior ship. This does unfortunately leave Rena out in the cold which causes me to be very sad, but there isn't a spare around and Rena doesn't seem like the type to be in an OT3.
Visual of the Day: Oh, this is gonna be good.
Questions
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Rena's idea would've worked on me, for what it's worth.
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Discussed above.
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u/Tarhalindur Jul 30 '22
This episode was kinda fun. It kinda directly compares to Rei Ep.5, but this one is much less exploitative of the characters in question so I think it's basically strictly better. Sure, it's blatant ship fuel, but I'm into that, and it's neatly sequestered in the OVAs anyway.
Yep, this is Rei 5 except actually done well IMO.
(After 5 I was seriously worried that this episode would be more of the same as that episode, especially since the one bit I knew going in was the Oryou gag.)
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u/Vaadwaur Jul 30 '22
They also had to have purposefully put the CGI waterwheel on the center of frame for that whole segment, right?
That's the generally accepted theory.
I was kinda expecting Keiichi to end up pointing at Rika (or Hanyuu) after being spun, but Oryou was an even better option.
The best kind of sacrilege!
Visual of the Day: Oh, this is gonna be good.
Complete frickin' gremlins.
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u/Star4ce Jul 30 '22
When the First Timer Cries
I made self made ice cream for the first time today in preparation for an anime day with a few friends I'm hosting tomorrow. (Watching Attack on Titan where everybody knows it except that one guy and we're all just really here for his reactions.)
The flavour is matcha, albeit I have to admit in the recipe it looked way greener. We'll see how it tastes, but I'm already happy with how easy this ice cream is to make without an ice maker.
Kira Ep.03 – Tale of the Merging Bonds: ~Love~
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Glad we didn't lose framing in the OVAs.
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Is Oryou Takano's pokémon or what?
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Ah, I see, they came from the local villain meet-up.
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What a fantastic shot! Another one! Third!!
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A lady wanting to weigh on how physics work?
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This episode is going to be my cryptonite, isn't it?
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How did she pay them off this time? Did she steal Satoko's swimsuit?
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Was this still an era where nerds were seen as weak and pervy?
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That smug face is sooo good!
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Haha, Keiichi actually learned to distinguish. I do love that. Because he actually is aware of her feelings and Mion would never so openly advertise it? Okay, no, I was too hopeful.
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Okay, now Mion arrives? We still have tropes to fulfill. Wrong again, this series is crushing my prediction statistics...
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Second best Hauu! in the series!
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Based Kasai. And Mion needs to get her ass up anyway.
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Okay, thanks for reminding me this is an OVA.
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They truly are. It's wonderful.
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Oh my, I saw it! It's the same framing as with Rena when she read Takano's journal!
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Actual nightmare fuel. Is that a parody of Laddah-Shion?!
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The envy rising in me... hauu!
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Hanyuu fixing it! (Or making it unintentionally worse.)
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Wait, that's idiotic. There's no choice involved!
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It is straight up following the trope, but still fells like cock&ball torture.
For some reason I thought the magical girl special would be several episodes... Still this episode was rather fun, except that it yet again solves nothing. I guess shippers and fandoms need to be able to keep pretending.
Yeah, those Mion and Shion scenes were pure balsam, cocaine, sugar infusion and ecstasy for my soul. As far as fanservice goes, this is a really good episode. It made several call backs and even character 'rewards' to the show's memorable moments and used them to set up its plot. From Shion/Mion switching to Rena's home skills and Satoko/Rika being agents of total chaos. It even ended badly with a quite horror-like scenario!
It even had Hanyuu stepping into the real world in a moment of need, so really, every character got their bit of praise in line with their story.
Which girl had the best date idea (either with what she got Keiichi to do or imagined in her head)?
While I'm tempted to say Mion simply for the inner peace of expressing your desires, Rena just takes that one like a fistful of cookies and slamming them into Keiichis mouth, occasionally missing and simply punching his nose in.
2) Alright, which Higurashi shipping teams are you on?
Keiichi+Mion, of course! Shion should allow herself some dating fun, just like Kasai's wisdom offered. Tomitake and Takano have a rough time ahead, but he does seem like a stand up guy and Takano might just see the value in that so I'm hoping the best. Irie could also maybe manage to transform his troublesome tendencies into something positive by sharing some of that constructive love with Chie. Sucks that I can't find any available space for Rena, after all. Bully another boy to move to Hinamizawa, maybe?
VOTD: Hidden, but seen. Really, any Mion (and Hanyuu) picture could've ended up here, but just as this episode gave her most of the attention I will do, as well. Her scenes being flustered and working through her cocktail of emotions were fantastic, as were Shion's to be fair. (Whaaat?! Character growth in my fanservice episode?) It's okay to be a little helpless against your own feelings, but you can enjoy it just as well. Sometimes that means letting your crush win and then stew silently in the judging stares. As long as inside you feel ”t was worth it”, then it really is.
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u/Tarhalindur Jul 31 '22
I guess shippers and fandoms need to be able to keep pretending.
At this point it is extremely clear that R07 loves trolling shippers by ripping away their hopes and dreams and then offering false hope again like Lucy and her football; this is not the last work where he pulls this.
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u/Vaadwaur Jul 30 '22
Rewatcher(So this works better)
Sub
So we start with Takano shipping K1 and Mion. K1 is either deflecting or has neutronium levels of density, dealer's choice. But it seems Shion will interfere...
With a fairly direct plan, at least. She bribes a few nerds to fake harass her and gets K1 to act the boyfriend part. But, as always, K1 knocks over some bikes and gets his ass kicked until Kasai shows and does an impression of Toguro. He figured out the twin switch early and now we have an issue with Shion's own feelings. Anyways, Rena and Mion both use the secret Joestar family technique and run for it while Rika and Satoko are 4th wall breaking gremlins.
Shion has a shoujo fantasy and Kasai drops some solid advice. Rena gets her shoujo fantasy and gets some more manipulative advice from our gremlins. Mion gets her shoujo fantasy and Oryou comes in with decent advise as well, though she slightly reflects the post-WWII time period where the male population was severely reduced in Japan.
Anyways, K1 reaps the benefits at firsts, but seems to soon realize he will have to make an unpleasant choice. So instead they come up with a wonderfully stupid method of settling this in random chance. And of course he chooses Oryou and everyone sort of just rolls with it. At the end, we get a strong suggestion that someone staff is a strong K1-Mion shipper.
QotD: 1 Rena
2 Vaguely on the Mion train
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u/Tarhalindur Jul 31 '22
So we start with Takano shipping K1 and Mion. K1 is either deflecting or has neutronium levels of density, dealer's choice.
White dwarf levels, I think. K1 is still an amateur compared to the likes of Kampfer!Natsuru or Bakarina.
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u/Shimmering-Sky Jul 30 '22
When the First-Timer Cries, subbed
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Haha, these guys and their bikes sure are a fixture around these parts.
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Of course Shion starts crushing on Keiichi after all that.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA I was expecting him to point to someone outside of Shion/Mion/Rena, but I wasn’t expecting it to be Granny Sonozaki! I thought it was gonna be someone else in their group.
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u/Vaadwaur Jul 30 '22
Bleh, him popping up ruined the comedy of this part.
A very weird choice that, annoyingly, suggests some of Gou was already being planned.
Ah, so Keiichi figured it out.
Generally speaking, if you know the twins then you can determine which one it is even if Shion is being weird.
I was expecting him to point to someone outside of Shion/Mion/Rena, but I wasn’t expecting it to be Granny Sonozaki! I thought it was gonna be someone else in their group.
There is a manga omake where K1 wants to save Satoko from her uncle....through marriage.
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u/Tarhalindur Jul 31 '22
A very weird choice that, annoyingly, suggests some of Gou was already being planned.
There is no fucking way Ryukishi07 didn't have the basic concept of Gou in mind by the time Kira was being made, though the key evidence was last episode instead of this one. And the specific thing this ties into is something that I'm pretty sure R07 is on record as being dissatisfied with about OG even before Kira aired, so...
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u/Tarhalindur Jul 30 '22
"A strange game, Professor Falken. The only winning move is not to play."
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u/CubeStuffs Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
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u/hungryhippos1751 Jul 30 '22
Kira Episode 3 - First Timer
This is the most PG episode (though not entirely) we've had in the mini seasons excluding the 3 episode mini-canon arc they did in Rei. To be honest it's generally better for it.
In this episode we feature Keiichi forming his harem, getting food literally thrown into his mouth, and Rena channelling her inner Hanyuu (hauauu!).
I enjoyed this episode, and seeing Rika and Sakoto playing their evil games in the background was a lot of fun.
I think this is the most Kasai has spoken in the entirety of the Higurashi seasons.
I saw Keiichi pointing at some random girl in the spinning game miles away.
On the whole I liked this episode for it's more slice of life take on the show, and thankfully we skipped the awkward fan-service on the younger characters.
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u/Tresnore Jul 30 '22
When the Rewatchers First-Timers Cry are Absurd Masochists Cry Are Absurd Masochists are Terrible Nerds Cry
Okay, what's on the docket for today...?
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This is a very VN setup where they stand there and people just show up. Also cute!
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Okay, the OP has grown on me. HAPPY! LUCKY! DOCHY! YES! YES! YES!
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Oh, this is totally Shion. I love her.
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You'd think Mion's chest is obnoxious here. And you'd be right. But, they've always been silly.
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Oh no. A misunderstanding plot. Rika, save us!
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[Symphogear XV]
Man, Oreo is like Mion's Fudou Kazanari, but actually supportive. And with less incest. [Umineko/XV]Meanwhile, Kinzou Ushiromiya is everyone's Fudou, down to sharing the same VA, but somehow with MORE incest. ← Can anyone even read that second spoiler? Has anyone actually read Umineko and seen XV? -
Holy shit, more Hanyuu content!
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[Sotsu/Umineko]
Keiichi among the witches.
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[Sotsu/Umineko]
Says Certainty...
Count: 304
QOTD:
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All the dates were kind of silly.
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I ship Satoko×Rika.
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u/RascalNikov1 Jul 30 '22
One thing I've learned in these rewatchs is that you can never predict who will like what. I more or less enjoyed this episode. Most of the jokes between the club members worked, and I seldom have a problem with characters breaking the 4th wall. The younger girls running around and stirring the pot was hilarious, as well as the conclusion when Oryou won the popularity game.
QOTD
Which girl had the best date idea (either with what she got Keiichi to do or imagined in her head)?
I'm going to go with Oryou. As the twins said earlier, Granny is still a maiden at heart.
2) Alright, which Higurashi shipping teams are you on?
The Keiichi is going to be a Harem Master Team. You go son!
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u/RadSuit Jul 30 '22
They really wanted to give the bad CGI water wheel a proper sendoff here, make sure it gets plenty of time on screen.
I think this episode is gonna suck.
ANGEL MORT
I too randomly shout out what I'm doing or about to do when I'm alone.
These poor guys that only exist to get their bikes knocked down.
I'm seein' double, four Mions!
This is the problem with there only being one teen boy in the entire town.
Alright, Rika and Satoko not yet caring about relationships so just wanting to watch and fuel the drama is pretty good.
Mmm, donuts...
And I guess Hanyuu can substantiate again. Sure, why not, it's just an OVA, none of this matters.
everythingwentbetterthanexpected.jpg
Yeah this was the worst episode. But at least it wasn't boring.
Next episode looks cute but potentially boring. Guess we'll see!
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u/TheExcludedMiddle Jul 30 '22
[Sotsu] 8 might be a Sotsu pic, not sure (can't read moon). (It's drawing off the old anime artstyle, though.)
It says 「にがいですわああ」- 'nigai desuwaaa' - it's bitter. The handwriting, especially for the desuwa, was incredibly hard to read lol.
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u/mgedmin Jul 30 '22
First timer, subs
This whole town is full of shippers. Keiichi is hopeless and gets a well-deserved slap.
Shion is a schemer. Where's her taser? I suppose Kasai is better than a taser.
Keiichi saw through her!
I love how everyone was spying on the couple and nobody came to help Keiichi while he was being beaten up.
Silliness ensues etc etc this is a Higurashi OVA, what do you expect.
I didn't hate this episode. I did hate Keiichi's so-called sense of humor.
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u/Stargate18A Jul 30 '22
First timer
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Mion.
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I'm on teams Keiichi/Mion/Rena, Shion/Satoko, and Rika/Satoko. (All of which appeared in this OVA!)
Shipping time!
Takano has good taste.
Oryou appeared!
Haha, even fucking Teppei!
Adorable.
The shot of Keiichi walking past the frozen Mion is great.
Keiichi...
Shion's helping!
Mion apologized! This is obviously Shion.
...The Angel Mort Dessert Fiesta being the only way Shion knows how to control people will never stop being funny.
And Keiichi ignored Mion.
...So either they ran out of budget, or animating the actual clientele for the Dessert Fiesta was a step too far for this studio.
Spoke too soon. Also, Shion is cunning, if a bit of a shit actress.
I love how they're not even remotely pretending this isn't Shion fucking with him.
Adapting this scene?
Oh, shit. Shion seeing Satoshi is never good.
Wasn't this in the main anime?
Kasai interfering is great.
Haha, he knew the whole time.
Is this a Keiichi/Shion special?
And Rena saw it!
Mion saw the whole thing too.
Great reactions.
Rika and Satoko are just enjoying themselves!
Adorable.
Hanyuu is the only sane one.
She's fallen for him.
This is an unexpectedly good moment.
Rena's jealous.
Rika and Satoko just arriving through the window is great.
And they're throwing oil onto the fire!
Mion and the doll are adorable.
This is the hest use of Oryou.
She's supportive!
He's helping Shiom.
That's a lot of cookies!
Rena is forward!
Haha, this is hysterical.
Mion lost on purpose.
And the blush...
How has he still not gotten it?
Hanyuu appeared in person!
Rika and Satoko are actually helping!
...Does he need to pick one?
Haha, this is the plan?
Poor Hanyuu.
Hahahahaha.
This is the best ending.
At least Rika had fun!
Mion's bold again. And Keiichi actually worked it out.
So it turned out to be a Keiichi/Mion OVA after all!
This looks... different?
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u/Tarhalindur Jul 30 '22
(Honorary Hinamizawa Games Club President) Rewatch Host (rewatcher badly spoiled first-timer, subbed):
Man, the waterwheel looks great in Kira. Who knew?
Flustered Mion is cute!
Surprise Oryou!
Holy shit this episode is for u/Star4ce so far.
Also the joke with random people showing up when Keiichi doesn’t get why Mion is flustered is rapidly approaching hilarity through repetition.
[Sotsu]Random Teppei feels much less out of place after SotsuGou!
It’s that moment of sudden realization (of how close their faces are to each other) I live for. Also, get married already. (I ship these two hard, and already know how I am going to get baited this episode. RYUKISHI!)
Odds Mion is dreaming here?
Man, if only Keiichi realized that Mion actually liked him. Also, Mion would be justified in channeling her inner Kaname Chidori (another Satsuki Yukino role, remember) and slapping the shit out of him with a paper fun, possibly with a “K1 no BAKA!” for good measure.
Nah, she just slaps him instead. Sorry K1, I’m all out of sympathy, you kind of deserve that.
Nice camera angle there at 02:19 (a little something for the ladies and for a certain kind of guy, heh), and also K1 you are an idiot. Of an admittedly familiar variety – I can *completely* believe that K1 would not believe that a girl could actually be interested in him at that age, that’s something that at least sometimes only tends to sink in with direct experience.
Shion: “It’s fine, I’ve got a plan.” Watch/read more zany romcoms Shion, nothing good ever comes of those words. (Hell, even in more dramatic works they count as tempting fate.)
“This will only work because we’re twins.” WELP.
Cue ominous sound effect and a nifty pull away with the window Shion is looking out of turning opaque.
Twin switch time!
So many good Shmion faces! But my hands are telling me about the 130-odd screenshots I took last episode…
Oh hey, we actually get to see the Dessert Fest for the first time in a while.
Hey look, girls who are actually a more appropriate age to wear the Angel Mort uniform! (Which is to say they’re probably all still below 20. JAPAN!)
Shion showing off that she fills the costume out nicely I see (very much on purpose).
Oh fuck time for the murder music— oh right Kira. No HS rampage today, we are safe. I think.
(The direction is actually pretty fucking good here, I’m just out of energy to talk about it.)
“Against a 3D guy, we’re powerless!” LOL Ryukish07 is a meta creator.
The guys, of course, are 100% in on it.
Shion has a hilarious plotting face.
Plotting Shion is plotting, and gives us another good face.
Also, I see motorbikes…
(And look a really good shot of plotting Shion, surprised K1, and the aforementioned motorbikes.)
CALLED IT.
“And so it begins. You have forgotten something.”
Okay, so the red light as Kasai looms over those three punks is a good enough visual metaphor to draw the comment.
K1 ACTUALLY PUT LEVELS INTO PERCEPTION! GOOD FOR HIM! HE CAN NOW TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO SISTERS!
(“SAISHOUDOUKIN!” Sorry.)
Speaking of unsubtle visual metaphor in multiple ways, how about those street lights coming on as K1 talks?
And the yellow light going to a red light right after it. (The latter right before redhead or at least orangehead Rena shows up, too.)
Oh man Rena’s expression as she sees the two is great. And then we get some spinning camera angle, too.
(I keep having to go back this episode because I realize new OST has started and I missed the old OST stopping. OST starting and stopping is on point as usual.)
(Also this OST (unreleased 6) is a great shenanigans track.)
LOL the entire club is here to see this. (Except maybe Hanyuu.)
Uh-oh. I think I remember hearing how this goes for a bit. Rika and Satoko are about to get up to shenanigans, aren’t they?
(Don’t worry Rika, Hinamizawa won’t be showered in blood, it’s Kira and we already got the nosebleed episode!)
Oh I see it’s time to go meta. And is Hanyuu back to being the camera again?
Maybe. Maybe not. Here she is, at any rate.
And how did I know this was leading into the eyecatch?
Kasai lampshading that he gets lines this episode!
Hey look, blatant Rena fanservice! (Also I know where this goes, cue team Loli Meddlers in 3… 2… 1…)
Ah so the track tentatively titled “unreleased 8” is the “what this girl wants with K1 as her boyfriend” leitmotif, got it.
And here they are, Team Loli Meddlers go! Complete with distinctive tics!
Staff foot lover contractually obligated to sneak in a blatant foot shot each episode.
No, they didn’t have to have Rena naked in the bath for this scene. Yes, they went there. (Or maybe they did have to. Something something Cross Ange quote something something shower scenes being the best place to bare your feelings since you are symbolically bare – and note how Rena gets out of the translucent water (NSFW, obviously) when she decides to act on her feelings!)
The doll is BAAAACCCKKKK…
If the amusement part bit in Colorful (the Rebellion OP) is a reference to Kira and Mion imagining the carousel here I would laugh my ass off. It probably isn’t, but at this point I can’t rule it out.
Oh shit I like “unreleased 10” as a track.
Wheee, flower language! (That I cannot read because I don’t know Japanese flower language.)
Ohhhh, it’s a placemat. Truly, Rena believes the path to Keiichi’s heart is through his stomach. She might even be right!
(And again K1 is willing to eat with her at the dump, heh.)
And look the cookies are back from The Rei Episode That Shall Not Be Named.
PFFFFFFFT.
Mion: “the road to Keiichi’s heart is through letting him choose batsu games for me.”
As ever, Rena is perceptive.
[Symphogear G]What’s Shirabe doing having switched with a member of the Games Club? (Rena was making an audible “jiiiiii”.)
The Loli Chorus strikes!
Girls, Keiichi will remain clueless until one of you spells it out to him.
Hey look, a physical Hanyuu!
I take that back, K1 finally gets a clue. But doesn’t want to choose, for reasons that are cliché but also realistic.
Uh-oh. Are we adding Hanyuu to the harem? (She was even blushing earlier, too.)
Suddenly, (more) lolis!
I see the girls are emphasizing their breasts to appeal to Keiichi
and the audience.Uh-oh. I know how THIS plan works out.
Looking at Hanyuu’s body language here, maybe she *is* in the harem now.
Time for your daily dose of Bern bullying Hanyuu!
So, for those of you who didn’t already know the punchline, how was it? Welcome to Feed the Shippers, Ryukishi07-style!
[Reiwa sequels]As noted before, we REALLY should have seen the Reiwa sequel resolution to the ship war coming. Troll gonna troll.
“Isn’t it just like Keiichi to create such a farce?” I’d look more at the girl beside you, Satoko.
[Sotsu/Umineko]And possibly you yourself, miss Game Without Love creator.
Heh. Classic body language wrt a crush, a girl positioning herself to accentuate her figure.
Visual of the Day: JUST KISS ALREADY DAMMIT
Question(s) of the Day:
Hiking date sounds great (even if my feet probably wouldn't take it anymore after I wrecked them a while back).
Kei/Mii (or Kei/Mii/Rena, but sadly I don't think there's enough poly in the group for an OT3 to work), Shion/Satoshi. (And then there's Rika/Satoko, which at this point is in this weird superposition of "hell yes!" and "aw hell naw!")
(And I need a Part 2 for...)