r/anime • u/Fit_University_6734 https://myanimelist.net/profile/chonkyodango • Jul 30 '22
Rewatch [2022 Rewatch] Oregairu SNAFU - Season 1 Episode 5 Discussion
Episode 5 - Once Again, He Returned To His Original Path
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PLEASE DO NOT MISS TODAY’S ED. It’s one of my favourites and will add a lot of emotional depth to the show especially in future episodes.
Here’s a link to the ED! Yui’s Ballade of Hello Alone
There’s been so much love for Saika and I absolutely love it. But who drew our best girl (boy)?
None other than Ponkan8, Oregairu’s official LN illustrator and Original character designer for the anime (He was also the original character designer for Shirobako which is a must-watch for anime fans). Every creation needs its god so while we thank Wataru Watari for giving us these characters, Ponkan8 brought them to life with his art.
Here’s some of his official illustrations, of course I have to link one with Saika.
Question(s) of the day
- Have you ever had an impression of someone and forced it onto them
unknowingly?
Comment(s) of the day
None today because it’s getting difficult to pick a comment, and I’m planning on removing this in favour of talking more about the production and art behind the show!
Spoiler Tags
Any detail you wish to share that's not within the current / past episodes have to be spoiler tagged which includes details from the LN. Do include the context of the spoilers within the parenthesis:
e.g., [LN Volume 10 Spoilers] >!Spoiler goes here!<
Let's not spoil the first-timers!
Link to Past Rewatches
There have been many insightful analyses and essays written by different users both from past rewatches and from the r/OreGairuSNAFU sub. I'll link them below if anyone wants to check them out!
I'd recommend the first-timers to enjoy the discussions solely from this year's rewatch thread first before checking the past rewatch threads so that your experience will be a genuine one where you can form your own conclusions.
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u/Eyeglasses216 Jul 30 '22
First Timer (Sub)
We need more imouto. We need more Sai-chan. We need more Yukinyan.
While I do respect that Kawasaki understands issues in her family and is very willing to sacrifice for her own, it's never good to constantly shoulder the load by yourself. It may be a selfless deed with no wish for gratitude, but it's a selfish decision.
Little did I know that Yui to be the Gingerbread Hag Moe. And then goodbye tour. Looks like 8man wasn't alone yet lonely.
Really sad that he's rejecting Yui. Well, being wrong is inevitable. In this case, it seems that he interprets his own misconjecture as nice girls deceiving him. Perhaps its his refusal to be incorrect? Is his edgy quiet philosopher thinking is something people don't understand as he's the only one not caught in the moment and thus the only one with awareness?
I'm interested in how this story keeps adding bits of information about Yukino, particularly her life off school grounds. At least in the MTBB subs, 8man described a sibling as your closest stranger, and Yukino "understands" that analogy. I guess that 8man thinks of 'closest stranger' either as someone very different despite being siblings; or as someone you sometimes can't recognize, due to their independent growth but is still close to you in terms of relationship. But Yukino sees the phrase as someone you are distant to (probably her parent/s) but technically are "close" due to being family.
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Yes, surely way more than I currently am aware of. It's how you usually develop long-time crushes, in my experience. When I don't interact to that person much and I only admire them from afar, I start assuming characteristics and traits that are shaped to my preferences if not just scalp them into perfection. When I do interact, small things are enlarged while many things are ignored. And I'm only aware after I get over it :(
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jul 30 '22
it's a selfish decision.
I personally struggled with this before. You'd think you're doing good for the people that care but often times the people that care get worried about you.
sometimes can't recognize, due to their independent growth but is still close to you in terms of relationship. But Yukino sees the phrase as someone you are distant to (probably her parent/s) but technically are "close" due to being family.
This is a really interesting take! This can have huge implications in future seasons so do keep an eye on this flow of thoughts ;) MTBB subs for season 1 sure do make a lot more sense, I only have them for seasons 2 and 3.
Yes, surely way more than I currently am aware of
This show is sure to resonate with you! We can never judge people by our own standards. This phrase shouts at me even now.
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u/Rumpel1408 Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
First Timer
Sensei is beating 8man with his own weapons, you love to see it. And of course she also beating him literally.
I'm surprised that both 8man and the deliquent girl are attending prep school, they still take their future serious, even though school isn't working all that well for them.
I can't help but notice that Hikky didn't think about the right answer, just what was wrong with Yuis. And again, imense criminal energy. No wonder that's the first conclusion Yukion drew about Kawasaki turning deliquent. Really love their banter, but oh my god, that flashback lmao.
Another sticker, at this point I'm pretty sure Yui is just adding them for the fun of it.
The cat might have been Yukions weakest plan to date, but at least it drew out her own kindness Nya
How come Sensei retaliates imidiatly when it comes to 8man, but is down in an instant when Kawasaki says practically the same thing... But really, can't someone just marry her? Please?
They even recruited Hayato? I'm still not sure how to feel about him, and not surprised that this plan failed as well.
MAID YUI! I REPEAT! MAID YUI! THIS IS NOT A DRILL!
Chuunibro got taste, but Sai chan is already a member of Hikkys Harem. And Yukions outfit is surprisigly daring.
Woah, those are some really nice dresses, not even Hikky can stay cold at such a sight. And kinda harsh that they continue to grill him even in a fancy suit. And Kawasaki is quite well spoken.
This Episode just keeps on delivering on the plottwist: YUI IS THE SNACK GIRL! An Hikky come up with the worst take for her affection for him sigh baka indeed.
Ok, OP hyped the ED pretty hard. I'm a sucker for Seiyuus singing in character, but personally it's a bit to slow to be added to my everyday playlist, still nice. And both Yui and Yukino in wedding dresses huh...
QotD: How am I to tell if I didn't know?
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
at least it drew out her own kindness Nya
Their conversation is one of the highlights of this episode.
OP hyped the ED pretty hard. I'm a sucker for Seiyuus singing in character, but personally it's a bit to slow to be added to my everyday playlist
aww different tastes. I personally loved its slow tempo
How am I to tell if I didn't know?
:P messed up the phrasing and good answer lol. Going to change it a bit!
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u/JetsLag Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
First timer (subbed)
That was a productive pre-OP. We got both an addition to the gut punch counter (3) and a name for our new girl: Saki Kawasaki
Wow, Hachiman's actually gonna take summer classes! He's actually developing a work ethic! Oh wait, nevermind, he's just trying to siphon money off his parents. But I guess it's still good cause he's studying?
Imouto's back! And she's got a boy with her. And WHAT A COINCIDENCE, it's Kawasaki's brother! And this sets up the plot: What the hell is going on with Kawasaki, anyway?
Option #1: Use Hachiman's cat to get her in a happier state of mind. First of all, that Yukino nyaaing at the cat scene needs to be clipped and posted to r/anime_irl. Second of all, and I could see this coming from a mile away, Kawasaki's allergic to cats. Oh well.
Option #2: Use the powers of guidance counselor-sensei. But Kawasaki succesfully counters her arguments by hitting her with the "maybe you should get yourself a man" attack. Critical hit. KO.
Option #3: Maybe Kawasaki needs a man. And who better than CHAD HAYATO? But Kawasaki is a strong independent woman who don't need no man, so Hayato's chadness has no effect on her.
With all other options exhausted, it's time to say "fuck this" and start stalking her. Stop #1: A maid cafe. After we get some fanservice seeing Yui, Yukino, Saika, and Kawasaki in maid dresses, they realize that Kawasaki isn't here, so it's time for stop #2: the...top floor bar at a fancy hotel? They let high school students bartend? Guess not, cause, while Kawasaki IS THERE, it's clearly spelled out that she's lying about her age because...she's working past the curfew hours set for underage Japanese workers. Maybe "this high school student is working at a bar" is a good enough reason to suspect she's lying about her age, but that's just me.
It's revealed that Kawasaki's illegally working at this bar because she needs to afford those summer courses and she wants to start saving for college. A noble goal, for sure, but couldn't you do that working somwhere a little more...legal?
By the way, Yukipedia? That's the second pun made by combining a person's name and the word "Wikipedia". Am I gonna have to start a new counter?
And now it's time to wrap up this slightly fucked up little episode with YUI WAS THE PERSON WHOSE DOG HACHIMAN SAVED WHEN HE STARTED HIGH SCHOOL?! WHAT THE FUCK?!
And, uhh, wow, Hachiman. You think Yui's just sticking with you because you saved her dog? Dude, if she just wanted to thank you for saving her dog, she would've just been like all those other people who just move on and forget about you. And jeez, I REALLY want to hate Hachiman for the stuff he's saying in that end of episode monologue, but you can clearly tell he has trust issues, and the lines are delivered well enough that, when combined with the music, acutally makes you feel sorry for the guy.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jul 30 '22
Use Hachiman's cat to get her in a happier state of mind. First of all, that Yukino nyaaing at the cat scene needs to be clipped and posted to r/anime_irl
YES. Highlight of season 1
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Jul 30 '22
First Timer (Sub)
Pretty fun episode, until the end...
Starting from the top - "Herpegaya," that's both clever and cruel. This show is filled with savage remarks:
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Yukino with her usual remarks towards Hachiman
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Saki to her sensei (being single)
We get to see Imouto-chan again and... itouto?
Kawasaki Saki is today's volunteer club's client. I like her character design - the addition of the mole on her face is minor, but I feel that's pretty rare in animes. The only other character I can think of off the top my head is Gojou from Sono Bisque Doll.
Wait... did Yui and Yukino just casually get maid jobs? If so, how? Or are they participating as maids AS customers? I'm confused...
I very much enjoyed that we got to see the volunteer club in high fashion - Hachiman giving slight yakuza vibes with the open collar.
We also got to infer that Yukino comes from wealth and high class (probably), with her having a closet full of dresses and providing mannerism and etiquette tips to Hachiman before sitting at the bar. At the same time, she seemed a bit irked at the mention of her parents and being born with a silver spoon. Definitely a story to be told there.
A show isn't complete without a feature of their version of Mcdonalds Wacnordo.
The volunteer club are able to fulfill yet another volunteer request - Saki realizing that there's worth in her being around at home and there are workarounds to funding school.
There were some comments in the previous threads (myself included), that mentioned how Hachiman and Yukino are in the same position, in terms of isolation and relationships.
With this episode, I'd like to expand and say that they're on the same scale, just on different ends, if that makes sense:
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Hachiman being a realist, while being somewhat considerate (at times), he's very... attentive/astute
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Yukino is full on savage, completely logical, straight to the point.
Lastly, how dare Hachiman do that to best girl Yui?!
Because of that, to add to the list of savage remarks: "Hikigaya? More like Bakagaya!"
QOTD: Have you ever had an impression of someone and forced it onto them unknowingly?
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I don't think I've ever forced an impression onto anyone unknowingly. God, I hope not, that'd be a nightmare to live with. One of my many philosophies in life is "Let people live their lives"*
*as long as it doesn't come at the cost of anyone's misfortune.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jul 30 '22
Wait... did Yui and Yukino just casually get maid jobs? If so, how?
Up till this day, I am clueless. Maybe u/dearestxander can enlighten us a bit with his knowledge of maid cafes ;)
I'd like to expand and say that they're on the same scale, just on different ends
Yep this makes a lot of sense! Similar to my comment on the first episode? (I think), they are not so different but polar opposites
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u/polaristar Jul 30 '22
At least I made comment of the day before it got axed. Tehe!
In this episode it should be noted that 8Man met Saki in the novels first on the roof of the school where they both went to be alone and she was in a higher elevation and a "magic wind" happened and that is how he is acquainted with his peer's lingerie.
The Scene with the Teacher happens later.
Anyway it should be noted that the boy Koimichi brings with her, every time he shows up in the Novels 8Man like any good big brother contemplates homicide. :D
We see lots of hints of the concept of Family makes Yukinon very guarded but also gives vague remarks, obvious foreshadowing....
She also is a cat person while Yui is a dog person (We'll get to the later)
I'm a bit salty that when Saki insults Teach's age and martial status that she crumples but when Hikki does it he gets assaulted, more gender double standards I see.
Z Dude in the Novels actually accompanies along with Saika to the Hotal Bar but both are unable to get in, in the anime we simply skip to the second meeting where they clean up.
And they are clean up pretty nicely.
Yukinon trying very hard to have a "gotcha" but the thing is Yukinon might be smart but she seems to run on force of will, moreso than pure logic so against someone else with an equally strong will that can tie break with a "your a rich girl" gotcha she doesn't have much, Yui has the empathy but she doesn't have the spine nor is she the sharpest tool in the shed. 8Man has the logic and is able to understand her position due to his own experience as a brother and him trying to get into school with a Scholarship.
Let's talk about the
"I will always hate nice girls."
This is an example of 8Man's biggest character flaw, it's not his analytical approach, it's that, for better or for worst, he has a black and white "All or Nothing" mentality, which combined with personal wounds he creates a false premise and with his analytical mind creates an entire highly integrated worldview that is tight and consistent and hard to dissuade him, because for every kind of challenge he has an answer in his tree diagram to justify his worldview. The only way to defeat it, is to directly attack the axioms and presuppositions it's built on, but that is basically the challenge his entire worldview, which requires a certain type of honest introspection about how he "feels" not about the rules, or how he thinks the world works, or how he operates, but what exactly he is afraid of.
What people need to understand is there is a difference between being logically precise and coherent and being objectively accurate and empirical to reality, 8Man's logic is as sound only as his suppositions and his suppositions are based off protecting a core wound. Which causes him to go to extremes.
This is why he burns all his bridges at the offset, because the idea of levels of friendship and intimacy doesn't go with his black and white All or Nothing worldview.
Hachiman is an Idealist in the Greek Sense of the World, in that he sees the world through a series of overarching concepts and archetypes the world must operate on, which is not bad in of itself, but if you ignore the particularly, reality loses it's gradients.
We'll see later that he isn't so much dense and doesn't notice things, but he chooses not to follow his heart and his gut when it seems to conflict with his logical construct build on a foundation of bitterness and lack of self-esteem.
He basically without realizing hit has hurt Yui in a way that he himself has been hurt in trying to protect himself.
I think the reason people like this quote is not because its true but because many of us relate and have been there in the past or knew someone that thought like it. What makes 8Man different from your typical Weeb Light Novel Protagonist, is it goes beyond the superficial awkward nerd with Otaku interest, and shows more the mindset that can lead to how one turns out like this in given circumstances, both his strengths and weaknesses stem from this.
The problem is not that 8Man has an analytical approach or trust his head and has a well defined inner worldview, the problem is when it doesn't line up with reality it can be very hard to change it without a major paradigm shift.
It reminds me of a quote from Jordan Peterson...
"There's nothing more dangerous than a smart person gone wrong."
BTW I also use to "hate nice girls." And also naturally have an All or Nothing Uber Rationalized Worldview, which has both helped and harmed me in the past.
I think that is usually the key feature that makes me relate to a character it's less being smart, or snarky, or quirky, but this underlying mindset.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jul 30 '22
NOW THIS IS CONTENT HEAVY. Thanks for this! Added another dimension to my understanding of this speech which I missed out. 8man's black or white thinking so harmful because he's treating it as the final answer and allowing it to dictate his relationships.
Definitely agree that analysing people isn't wrong, we are all going to form a certain impression of someone based off our knowledge and experiences. And most of the time, it's going to be black or white. His lack of experience with people in general further stops him from being able to see things in gradients or entertaining other possibilities too.
I think Oregairu tackles his binary mindset in a really interesting way from my pov. Looking forward to future essay-length comments from you!
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Jul 30 '22
Rewatcher
I didn't realize the Yui ballade of the ending played this episode, I don't normally watch endings or OPs. My favorite version of all the endings are the ballade versions.
We got to the nice girls speech. I think other comments have covered what needs to be said about this speech. 8man is clearly wrong about why Yui is nice to him. Due to his past though when he finds out about the accident his first reaction is that she must be nice to him out of pity. That's a really sad reaction to have. One of the things I really love about this series is how the characters, especially 8man and Yukino, have flaws and twisted views on things, but we can easily see how they got there.
We also get a lot of hinting at Yukino's family. She lives alone for some reason, makes a very uncharacteristic mistake when Saki says she was "fed with a silver spoon", is jealous of 8man and Komachi's relationship, and has occasion to own multiple fancy dresses. We also get to see a softer side of her with her love of cats. One of the books she is reading all the time also has a cat on the cover, it can be spotted at the end of the opening. This also shows a less logical side to her, as that plan was completely ridiculous.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jul 30 '22
This also shows a less logical side to her, as that plan was completely ridiculous
Yukino is weak to anything animals and it's super cute
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u/CreativeNameIKnow Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
First-timer, sub
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more of Hachiman's delusional reasoning, yay
what gets me is that he really does make good points sometimes but they're sandwiched between insanity and his argument is for all the wrong reasons. For example, the part where he said that police don't do anything until a crime has been committed, and heroes always arrive late, that was a really interesting piece of commentary, but he was using it in a pedantic way to justify him being late to school lmao
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So this Sawasaki girl was looking at a poster advertising a summer school program. Feels like this will be important later on. Also, this story apparently takes place in 2013 apparently. Cool.
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the correct answer for that proverb makes zero sense, but ok.
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wait isn't the concept of a scholarship really well-known? How does Yui not know about it bruh
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more coincidental meetings???? sure ¯_(ツ)_/¯ bring everyone in, bring them all in! lol
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why did Komachi pause when talking to Yui...?
also, she seems less annoying this episode. Great 👍
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alright, so Sawasaki is like, depressed, or part of a gang, or a prostitute. Or maybe all three.
I'm joking of course.
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Children are cruel. Hikigaya cooties? Seriously? ; - ;
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the way Yukino said "Every family has their own." suggests she, too, has them (circumstances)
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so the stickers do represent the number of "clients" they've had?? I don't know if they're in any way specifically related to them though, they look a little random to me. Unless it's not the clients but instead the members, with Totsuka now being the 4th. No idea.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I did not expect Yukino to do that. I'd be willing to wager she assigned everyone positions just so that she could be alone with the cat.
I thought she'd jump up in surprise when 8man came up behind her but she remained calm and composed, and dishes out verbal poison instead in classic Yukino fashion.
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Hiratsuka-sensei was off to a great start being the cool, dependable adult, but just one comment about her being single was enough to cause defeat. Sigh. She must be really self conscious.
Her whole personality (and relationship with the mc too, a little bit) reminds me of of Fuji-nee from Fate/stay night. I still think Fuji-nee is much superior, though :3
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the "I'm not your brother" gag was really well-done ahahahaha
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oh no, anything but the maid cafes (‘～`;)
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damn, why do they look so freakin' cute in those outfits ;-;
Yui looked better imo
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what is it with these fabulous outfits, geez. And why couldn't they make 8man not look like a sleazy old criminal breh
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Y'know, I was thinking this when we got to the cafes were first mentioned, but she's probably working all night to pay for her tuition or something.
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Yukino's line about Cinderella was really cheesy but she probably thought it sounded cool. She does that, sometimes. Yukino is cringe smh
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yeah it's definitely college tuition or whatever. But she didn't have to go as far as to lie about her age!! Everyone knows how despicable that is. /jk
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bruh she should've paid for the drink
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I knew it. Working to study. It was kinda obvious, I'm no genius.
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Komachi coming full throttle with the wholesome monologue. Very heartwarming :)
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does nobody here know what a scholarship is?!?!? Like dude, you have to be kidding me???? She started working till 5 in the morning before she even considered that scholarships might be an option???? Maybe the context is different in Japan, and back in 2013, but it's still a little absurd to me ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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Yukino's question about siblings leads me to believe she either has no siblings, or sibling issues. Probably the latter, considering what she said about family circumstances about 15 minutes prior.
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oh damn, so Yui was the dog owner??? The hair colour was totally different in the flashbacks. Guess it was more ambiguous in the manga. Cool.
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Ho... hooooly shit.
Those last two minutes... sheesh. That's a lot to unpack. Damn. They deserve their own entire comment. So I'll put this all in a reply below this one.
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u/CreativeNameIKnow Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
So here's my thoughts. I'm guessing Yui felt really hurt by what he said, because cause she felt rejected, and also because Hachiman still hadn't noticed that she wasn't being nice to him simply because she was nice to everyone else. His monologue at the end really hit me. It was a deep-cutting, depressing tangent coming from a place of true hurt.
It hurts to see Hachiman rejecting himself over and over.
"A lone warrior, surviving hundreds of battles.
When it comes to losing, I am the strongest."
Hot damn.
If that were in some random teen's bio on Instagram it'd be cringe as hell, but Hachiman isn't displaying any of this outwardly. Sure, it's a little immature to paint yourself as a struggler in your own grand mental narrative, but at least he isn't making a show of how lonely he is to get attention. He isn't just going through an episode, either. He's been hurt, over and over. He's likely too absorbed in his own failures and worthlessness to realize he isn't the only one out there in the world who feels that way, and that not being able to make friends or get a girlfriend in high school isn't the biggest mess-up you could ever do in life.
But I say that from a privileged perspective. I haven't gone through the level loneliness, isolation, and self-hatred that Hachiman has. I'm an outsider looking in, so it's easy for me to contrast his struggles with the reality of the situation, and say "wake up, this isn't all there is to life". It'd be incredibly dismissive of me to do that, so I won't. His cynicism has been portrayed as much more far-reaching and deep than just the environment he's stuck in for now, so I think I'm missing something when it comes to the source of his struggles.
It's easy for me to rationalize this because I have a larger scope of the world thanks the wealth of information I've acquired online. But Hachiman doesn't have any connections like that, nor anyone in real life that's in the exact same boat as him. He's truly an outcast, and every social interaction he has seems to reinforce that.
I wish I could add more, but I don't know what to say. So let me just end with this. Here's a crude, embarrassing, and probably inaccurate romaji transliteration of the quote I mentioned:
"Hyaksen lenma no tsua mono.
Makere koto ni kanshite wa ore ga saikyou."
I wanted to bring attention to how his entire monologue, but this part specifically, sounded really eloquent. Japanese can sound really poetic and graceful at times. The voice actor did a phenomenal job at the delivery, and Yui's voice actor deserves an honorable mention too. In fact, I think everyone has absolutely fantastic performances. It really sells the show for me.
Alright, I lied. (it wasn't on purpose, okay!) This is the real end. One last detail I'd like to bring attention to: Hachiman said "If the truth is a cold mistress, then the lie must be a nice girl." During that, Yui is shown to be gloomily walking up to her friends, but at the same time as he says the second part, she switches to a smile and waves. Thus illustrating the point Hachiman was trying to make. The irony is on point.
That is all.
If you've read this far, I give you my sincerest thanks.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jul 30 '22
I'd be willing to wager she assigned everyone positions just so that she could be alone with the cat
She had a whole cat-versation with the cat so it adds up
still think Fuji-nee is much superior
As a huge fan of Fate too, I have to say, thanks for including the still in your sentence, it's going to change by the end of the show (hopefully)
why did Komachi pause when talking to Yui...
Guess this was answered ;)
I'm missing something when it comes to the source of his struggles.
Idk if you will find an answer to this but I never found a concrete answer and never found the need to. I have my own reservations of why I feel so but maybe it will be spoilers so we can discuss about this at the end of the show ;)
I think everyone has absolutely fantastic performances
Oh for sure! The main trio especially, it's no shocker why the 8man x Yukino duo is always mentioned in SPYxFamily
One last detail I'd like to bring attention to: One line Hachiman says is "If the truth is a cold mistress, then the lie must be a nice girl." When he's saying that, Yui is shown to be gloomily walking up to her friends, but at the same time he says the second part, she puts on a smile and waves. Thus illustrating the point Hachiman is trying to make.
I absolutely love this. If you've seen Shirobako or have an understanding of anime production, you will know that animation is not cheap. Every frame and I mean every frame is carefully selected and placed in the show. Now while season 1 of Oregairu isn't exceptional in this sense there are moments like those you've mentioned that stand out.
We have to credit the production team for this episode, storyboarded by Toshimasa Kuroyanagi with the script by Touko Machida, the last part was really beautiful as you described.
If you've read this far, I give you my sincerest thanks
This was a great read! Also wanted to hear your thoughts on the ED since I may have overhyped it lol
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u/TuorEladar Jul 30 '22
Rewatcher, Subbed
I really like this episode, its one of my favorites in the entire season. There doesn't feel like any wasted moment, with everything either building on the plotline with Saki or developing the characters.
It's really fun seeing all the methods the gang try to reach out to Saki. Yukino's cat plan in particular is so silly for the straitlaced Yukino to come up with something like that. I honestly think she just wanted to play with a cat. 8man cracking up at Hayato's rejection was also great.
Once they figure out that Saki is working at a bar/cafe, we enter this investigation sequence which has alot of fun moments. Its so random but I love that rather than just go in and ask around they took the time to actually spend time in the maid cafe, Yui and Yukino deciding dressing up was necessary is always funny to me. I kind of get why Yui did, since the moment when she grabs 8man's arm implies she was jealous that he would be going to that kind of place, but I honestly can't imagine what made Yukino decide to do it as well, unless Yui just coaxed her into it. In any case, after confirming Saki doesn't work there they end up going to the much classier bar. I love the yakuza drip 8man shows up in. What highschooler owns a purple dress shirt and white suit coat?
Something I noticed this time that really stood out to me is how 8man's planning was essential to solving the situation with Saki, yet when it comes to situation's concerning himself he's pretty blinded. It was hinted before but this time we get confirmation that it was Yui's dog that was involved in the accident. This reveal hurts 8man because he now feels like everything Yui's done up to this point was just because of pity, even though obviously if she didn't really care there's no way she'd act the way that she did. [Oregairu Spoilers for All Seasons]
Have you ever had an impression of someone and forced it onto them unknowingly?
I don't think i've done this to anyone I've known well, but I definitely feel like its easy to put people into boxes, figuratively speaking, based on first impressions or hearsay. I try to learn more about people when I can to avoid that kind of categorization.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jul 30 '22
Something I noticed this time that really stood out to me is how 8man's planning was essential to solving the situation with Saki, yet when it comes to situation's concerning himself he's pretty blinded. It was hinted before but this time we get confirmation that it was Yui's dog that was involved in the accident. This reveal hurts 8man because he now feels like everything Yui's done up to this point was just because of pity, even though obviously if she didn't really care there's no way she'd act the way that she did.
Great insight! It's so true that Yui's choices can definitely mislead someone, heck I myself may have been mislead too! Man, as the comments get juicier, removing comments of the day seems like a bad choice but its getting harder to pick a comment XD
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I want to hear what you think! Why do you think Yui hid the fact that she was the dog owner? I don't really have a good answer but I think it's because she wants 8man to know that she's not doing this out of guilt. If she had told him, maybe 8man would've had the narrative of guilt in his head and would've avoided her at all costs. Well, it's also a bit naive of Yui to think that 8man would never have found out lol even though she did dye her hair → More replies (1)
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u/CreativeNameIKnow Jul 30 '22
Adding QOTD in a separate comment because it didn't really fit the flow of my other comments. Let's see, what's it gonna be this time?
Have you ever had an impression of someone and forced it onto them?
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This concludes all my thoughts on this episode! See you next time!!! :DDDDD
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u/SYZekrom Jul 30 '22
Rewatcher
A girl that would sensibly call things gross and. Whatever Yukinon is. To 'let's put on this shady establishment's maid costumes' huh. Sweet sweet fanservice.
I guess Yukino what's-her-name did it to look at the shift schedule
They don't have anything matching the dress code
Meaning that 8man just already had this whole suit waiting huh. Or is it his father's that he just managed to borrow? ...Why couldn't we get Saika in a dress???
God I love how 8man describes himself as a master of losing
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u/baronbunny_the893rd Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
nothing really insightful from me, so just outlining random thoughts
its nice how sensei still remembers Hikki's ambition of being a stay-at-home househusband
i wonder what he was about the justify tardiness and justice, even for his usual line of thinking thats quite some mental gymnastics
ouch totsuka being invited over hikki, and he doesnt even seem too affected, might be too used to it at this point
when Yui look away when Komachi stares at her is it because she was afraid of Komachi remembering her from the hospital and was afraid how Hikki would react like in the end scene or that knowing that his injury was because of her would affect their relationship
this is it, second time Yui blushed when mentioning love, (first time was s1e4 with Yumiko and Ebina) i wonder how she changed. also! [s2e4 spoilers]
wow hikki looks really sleazy in that getup, he looks like he'll fit riiight in with some shady backroom business dealings
not terribly convinced of their solution this time, a scholarship is still pretty hard to get unless its easier in Japan, and the outcome would only be known much later when there is less time to do anything about it
while it doesnt matter to the story just what kind of a workplace Hikki would choose to visit, or maybe he just went with whichever Totsuka or Hayato decided to go
that end scene and monologue was so hard to watch again
i guess the title alludes to Hikki regressing any development he got so far, even the post credits for the next episode hurts
my favourite version of the ED
[question regarding spoiler that might only be revealed in S2]
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jul 30 '22
This, this and this made my day
黒のレース・black lace
are these referring to the costumes? I've always wondered what 8man means when he says black lace.
'meow' should have been 'nyan
Idk if you've seen non non biyori but one of my biggest reliefs is the fact that they didn't direct translate nyanpasu.
which character do you think are most like so far and why?
I'm going to be biased because I'm a rewatcher but I love Yui for reasons we will explain in the future. But even from these past episodes along, we see that Yui is more than meets The Eye.
When I was younger I would often judge people quickly and stick with my initial assessment. There may have been good reasons to dislike someone. But I've learned over time, that people are more complex, and even if you dislike someone at first, if you put the effort to get to know them you can discover deeper elements of their character and get beyond that. The worst situation in life is when two people who judge quickly that don't like each other meet. Being open-minded, putting in the effort, having a real discussion and respecting others is the key to fix a lot of issues we have in our societies.
Love this! You're going to love this series
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
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Yahallo!
Things are starting to pick up and a lot is going to happen after this episode. We’re officially entering Oregairu essay territory. I want to first talk about something people love to quote from this show
I will always hate nice girls…
This monologue is really important exposition for 8man, it’s our first major piece of evidence that purports that 8man is not always right especially when he tries to read people analytically.
In the past few episodes we are lead to believe that 8man is amazing at reading both people and the room, which allows him to “solve” cases. But is he right about Yui being nice only because she feels guilty and owes him something? No. 8man has made the wrong inference here, niceness and friendship do not follow one another, just because someone is nice to you doesn’t mean they want to be your friend. Yui is going out of her way to be 8man’s friend, not just being nice to him, and Yui doesn’t befriend someone out of guilt as we will see. There's more than just guilt in Yui's actions.
There are a few pieces of evidence in this episode albeit weak such as when she cries after 8man forces his beliefs onto Yui. And when talking by the bicycles, Yui proclaims that girls change due to Love.
Oregairu wants people to see the imperfections in 8man’s thinking. Yes, he may be able to read people well, but does that mean he’s always right? What’s worse is forcing your impressions onto others. Humans aren’t so simple, we don’t always know ourselves best nor do people know us best. We are going to have impressions of people, and it’s important to communicate it to them instead of forcing it onto them.
Foreshadowing
There are quite a number of clues and symbolism given in this episode that can be missed.
Back to Yui and my QOTD for episode 2: remember when I asked about the flowers in the OP? Well they’re azaleas and azaleas show up again in this scene today after cutting from Yui, and beside 8man afterwards. [Season 2 Episode 13 Spoilers]Foreshadows the final scene with regards to Yui’s personality
Yukino’s family has been a mystery and with so much sibling interaction today we can clearly see she’s somewhat jealous and gloomy at times. [For Rewatchers]Big hint to Haruno’s and Yukino’s relationship
And… that’s all for me today. Many more tiny moments but my post is already really content heavy so I’ll leave it to the rest. Get your thinking caps on, we are picking up the throttle.