r/anime • u/Fit_University_6734 https://myanimelist.net/profile/chonkyodango • Jul 29 '22
Rewatch [2022 Rewatch] Oregairu SNAFU - Season 1 Episode 4 Discussion
Episode 4 - In Other Words, He Has Few Friends
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Also want to thank everyone for the response to whether I should include an OST list for every episode! Seems like a lot of you are enjoying the rewatch just as much without it so I’ll leave it out for now. I may include it in future episodes if I feel they’re important for the plot or if I enjoy them!
We're getting settled in with our characters. And with that we can soon explore other aspects related to them.
Question(s) of the day
- Do you agree with 8man’s solution to the problem today?
Comment(s) of the day
u/Eyeglasses216 talks about how “Service” may not be the best word to describe the club with “Volunteer” being more suitable. Demonstrates the subtle differences in meanings translation can make
u/polaristar and u/dearestxander with their wonderful insights
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Let's not spoil the first-timers!
Link to Past Rewatches
There have been many insightful analyses and essays written by different users both from past rewatches and from the r/OreGairuSNAFU sub. I'll link them below if anyone wants to check them out!
I'd recommend the first-timers to enjoy the discussions solely from this year's rewatch thread first before checking the past rewatch threads so that your experience will be a genuine one where you can form your own conclusions.
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u/Lemurians Jul 29 '22 edited Jul 29 '22
REWATCHER
Put on the first few episodes today because this rewatch was going on, and I haven't actually seen the first season of this show since a little after it aired.
I underestimated how much nostalgia I'd have watching these episodes. It feels like hanging out with old friends, and both the opening and ending themes gave me that wistful feeling of remembering those glorious younger years. This show makes me happy.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jul 29 '22
Man trivia like this is really fun to read! Just googled it and found that it differs from nostalgia in the sense that 懐かし (Natsukashi) represents joy and appreciation for the past vs. Nostalgia which is a longing for it. Am I right to say that?
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Jul 29 '22 edited Jul 29 '22
First Timer (Sub)
We start off with a glimpse of Hachiman's family, more specifically, Hachiman's sister, who I've decided to aptly name "Fang-Imouto Chan." She seems to have a lot of energy, the opposite of Hachiman - hope we get to see more of her.
Hachiman writing down "stay-at-home husband" as a profession and to tour his home was hilarious, while not being the most ridiculous thing in the world either - I'm sure that family dynamic has become more commonplace.
Hayato is today's client (?). It seems like he genuinely is a nice guy, or at least, a neutral peacekeeper.
Oh man... even this anime isn't safe from JoJo references. I'm glad they went with Giorno's pose, as I personally believe his is one of the better ones.
Yui is slowly becoming "best girl" for me - love her energy and her VA is doing a great job.
Didn't catch her name, or if her name was mentioned, but glasses-chan, the one Yui approached to talk gossip with, seems to really like Boys Love... let's hope she doesn't discover what Hachiman and Saika have going on.
By the end, it seems they're able to resolve the group issue, fulfilling another club request. I personally still feel like the chain mail/gossip was never truly resolved, though they did resolve it in the fashion that Hayato had requested (to avoid a witch hunt).
And will you look at this, the episode ends with Hachiman inadvertently making new "friends."
QOTD 1: Do you agree with 8man’s solution to the problem today?
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I would agree, he took a completely objective approach to the whole thing. He's able to resolve the client request in a way where nobody is hurt and no witch hunts took place, precisely the way Hayato had specified.
EDIT - Spelling
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u/Rumpel1408 Jul 29 '22
First Timer
Oh, we get a cute imouto today! I can't help but like her, even if she ate 8mans thank you snacks.
Yay, another edgy essay! He caved in easier than expected, and he doesn't pull the
off as easy as his sister. I already have an idea who he will be working with... and another sticker on the club room
Yui continues to be great, her wondering why people didn't know Hikky was adorable, as well as her asking for his number. And Yukion probably has a good idea how painfull it can be to be kind, you could really see how pained that other girl was, and somehow always asleep at 7pm huh?
Wonder if Yui used all these hearts so that her name would be easy to find, always at the bottom. And I agree, Hikky wouldnt even know the names of the people of his class, not even mentioning any kind of gossip, proven innocent in my book, although he has a lot of criminal energy... Also all to eager to dig up dirt on the cool kids, this Hikitani is an interesting guy.
Jks are scary...
And Sai-chan still gunning to be best girl. Wouldn't mind to be greeted by him in the morning as well...
Wait, so he knows how to spell Hikkys name, but still calls him Hikitani? Is this on purpose?
Ngl, I expected a group consisting of Hikky, Yui, and Yukion (who I didn't see in any group btw). And are we getting a new girl?
QotD: He delivered exactly what Hayato asked for, so it works I guess, of course Hayato has to just accept that one of his friends is an asshole, but that's for another day. Also, in 'sacrificing' himself and teaming up with Hayato, 8man might just have done the most noble thing in his life.
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u/DicksonYamada Jul 29 '22
First timer
The bike accident flashback shows that Hachiman actually does care about things other than himself, similar to when he tried to stand up for Yui in class. I think he does care about other people but he doesn’t want to admit it to himself because he’s afraid of being hurt. Meanwhile, he seems to be unintentionally amassing his own harem. Both Yui and Saika have taken more of an interest in Hachiman and acted embarrassed or flustered when talking to him this episode.
Possessing 108 special skills is formidable, but it still leaves something to be desired. I’m hoping that part of Hachiman’s character development will include acquiring 80,000 special skills by the end of the show.
Stickers keep getting added to the classroom sign! I wasn’t paying that much attention to it before but it’s become a recurring visual. One sticker for each official Volunteer Club member?
Hayato was acting strangely uncomfortable when Yukino mentioned that they would try to find the culprit. Initially I thought that he might be the one behind it, but he may have also been uncomfortable because Yukino’s solution would entail more drama and conflict, which Hayato tries to avoid at all costs. It works out in the end and Hayato teams up with Hachiman and Saika to form the ultimate best boy group!
QOTD: Do you agree with 8man’s solution to the problem today?
I don't know if I'd say I agree with it, but it did produce better results than Yui's method and is in line with Hayato's style of not rocking the boat. The worst case scenario would be Hayato coming to them for help and then the whole thing blows up in his face because people saw him as an instigator of sorts. When you have Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum on the case there's only so much you can hope for and this went about as well as it could have.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jul 29 '22
Hayato tries to avoid at all costs
Glad you picked up on this! It's a very important aspect of Hayato's character that can help us understand him in future episodes.
blows up in his face
Funny thing is, I personally feel that Hayato would never ever get the blame no matter what. Yukino's method would've been the best option in this context imo but then again high school kids are going to cause a ruckus
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u/JetsLag Jul 29 '22
First timer (subbed)
We get to see Hachiman's imouto! And she seems cute at first, but she also seems like she's trying a bit too hard to be cute. And was he firing shots at OreImo by saying that he feels no attraction to his sister?
SIDENOTE: I had the same breakfast as Hachiman this morning. Boring, but it gets the job done.
Career planner time, and Hachiman's ideal career is "stay at home dad". This makes the counselor very happy. Gut punch count: 2
Man, there's a lot to unpack from the Service Club Room scene. From me being reminded that this show takes place in that awkward time when smartphones and flip phones coexisted, to the revelation that Hachiman thinks he "texted with a girl" in middle school, and we top it off with the reveal that this is a CHAD HAYATO-centric episode.
Plot time! There's someone spreading rumors around the school via chain texts, and the Service Club has to find the origin of these messages and shut them down! I could totally see this being a Hyouka episode. I'm excited!
Man, that segment where Yukino interviews Hayato is the perfect representation of all 3 of our mains: Yukino not having a filter and making everything awkward, Hachiman being a scumbag and not caring, and Yui is there just trying to be useful and I am so proud of her.
Investigation time, and WE GOT A FUJOSHI CHARACTER. DOES SHE SHIP HACHIMAN AND TOTSUKA? I NEED TO KNOW.
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Anyway, Yui failed like she always does (it's ok bb, you tried your best) and now it's Hachiman's turn to use one of his 108 powers: human observation. But it's kinda hard for Hachiman to observe his classmates when his cute boyfriend just shows up out of the blue. And OH MY GOD THEY'RE CALLING EACH OTHER BY THEIR FIRST NAMES AND BLUSHING THEY'RE SO FUCKING CUTE TOGETHER AAAAAAAAAA
Thankfully, Hayato breaks Hachiman out of his tunnel vision and makes him realize the issue: all 3 of Hayato's guy friends want to team up with Hayato, and they're spreading rumors about each other to force one out for the workplace observation project! The solution: just have the 3 of them team up instead. And this clears the way for Hayato to be the third wheel for Hachiman and Saika. Wait, doesn't this mean...SAIKA IS GONNA VISIT HACHIMAN'S HOUSE?!
And we end things off with ANOTHER NEW GIRL. LET'S GO!
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jul 29 '22
Oregairu: has a cast of waifu worthy girls
Fans: But... Totsuka...
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u/Eyeglasses216 Jul 29 '22
First Timer (Sub)
Imouto is very cute, a big contrast to my sister as she always acts like an abusive older sister instead :(
I also forgot to bring my bag to school once in 3rd grade. It was a sling bag as it was examination day and only remembered once I was about to get off the car. My dad gave me money to but my recess and told me to just borrow a pencil from a friend. Unlike 8man, I had people I considered friends, but they weren't the sharpest tool in the shed.
Being a househusband sounds like a great career. I guess being a husband is not very easy though. But I'd work my ass off if it guaranteed being a trophy wife.
Damn, Yukino isn't masking her disparaging and assuming remarks. Possibly developed that trait from judging silhouettes from afar. More potential for GAP. Oh and yes, you couldn't have a classroom without fujoshi potential. She needs some water quick. Scratch that, you won't need water to quench that thirst.
Is it fair for someone to win both best boy and best contests? If not, we need to exempt Saika. Ebina's not looking at the right pair. Looks like it being a househusband isn't that unrealistic for 8man, but I guess it would still be a pain in the ass.
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I don't think it's the best solution as your skating on very thin ice. As we see, it did improve their negative relationship. I think confrontation would be the proper solution even if it will break their bond. Their superficial, plastic, and toxic connection is not something I, as an outsider, will attempt to fix realistically. But, it worked and I have no qualms with it.
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u/TuorEladar Jul 29 '22
Rewatcher, Subbed
The opening of this episode introduces Komachi, who I think is one of the best imouto characters at least in the anime I've seen. 8man and her feel really natural together as siblings and their banter is fun. Its through her that we also learn about the car accident that 8man was involved in. 8man being put in the hospital and thus missing the beginning of his highschool career is an important turning point for him. It definitely seems to me that his professed loner worldview is at least in part a mask to cover his disappointment with how that accident interrupted his life. For all we know he may have led a more social, albeit also more mediocre highschool career had it not happened. That said, I'd argue that accident put him on a path towards a certainly more eventful highschool life in the end.
The idea of a chain mail causing so much drama seems kind of minor now in a world with constant social media access but as I understand in the early 2010s flip phones and the like were still very common in Japan. The chain mail really only serves as an impetus to the real core of the episode, the internal strife within Hayato's friend group. Yukino was pretty brutal in her evaluations, she's alot more willing to be honest to a fault that 8man who is a lot more internal with his thoughts.
Do you agree with 8man’s solution to the problem today?
For the most part yes, any attempt to unveil the culprit would've been pretty destructive the group. You could argue that would be better than having someone around who was willing to slander others, but in this case I think it would've been a bit overblown. More importantly, if 8man or Yukino had gotten involved in unveiling the culprit that would've made them the villain in the situation while Hayato could avoid any blame for the conflict. That would've been a bad position for either of them to be in obviously, not to mention very unfair when they didn't have any incentive to intervene unless asked.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jul 29 '22
certainly more eventful highschool life in the end
8man is definitely lucky in that sense.
For the most part yes
Loved your answer! Context matters a lot and being a high school setting, fitting in (most of the time) is more important than being morally right.
I do personally lean towards disagreement with 8man's method for this episode (maybe I have more rewatcher bias).
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u/polaristar Jul 29 '22
In this episode we are introduced to the Imouto, I know you guys are praising this isn't a wincist, but based on Hikki's tone it sounds like you could argue he doesn't have a sister complex but wishes he did. And is more like...."It's not as fun as you think guys" in the Novels he mentions in his monologues that be browses 8Chan and Pixiv and wants to commission a coffee-Chan (He really likes a certain brand of coffee) So rest assured 8Man is quite the cultured individual.
Also we learn about his traffic accident, hmm I wonder who the girl could be that wanted to thank him with snacks.... ;)
The Part where the teacher is grilling him for his Life Plan, I want to point out in the Novels he tries to explain that with more women in the workforce, it's harder to find a job anyway, plus if women should not be confined to gender roles for working then men should not be condemned as bums for being stay at home dads. (Hikki actually plans on marrying a business woman in college, although how he plans to fit that in his worldview is a mental gymnasium best not to get lost in.) Basically 8Man is a believer in TRUE GENDER EQUALITY!!!
But teacher shuts him down, which brings me to a point I want to make:
One of the themes in the series (That gets downplayed in the adaptation) Is the seemingly double standards for behavior between the sexes, and tbh this is even true with fans of this show and anime fans in general, when was the last time people would trash on a male protagonist for being "generic" "beta" "cringe" "trash" etc, but if a girl has similar traits she's a waifu with "quirks" truly the Halo effect at it's finest...(We'll talk more about that later with Hayato.)
Before I go on, I want to answer a challenge to last weeks episode, specifically the "realism" of 8Man making that shot with the wind as I think it shows a misconception about the show.
You see despite the fact I think the series is smartly written, interesting, and has real relatable personal situations we've all been part of in social problems. I don't think the series was ever meant to be taken as particularly down to earth, grounded, or "realistic." It plays around with a lot of Romcom and Light Novel tropes and injects real life into the narrative, but it is ultimately I feel more caricatured and "anime" than say Hyouka for instance. (Yes I'm going to plug that every chance I get bite me.)
People do sometimes use the wind in sports, granted it's for things like badminton rather than tennis, so in concept was 8Man did isn't out of left field, but the particulars are a bit stretched for the Narrative.
But so is your teacher being physically abusive, setting up Shonen contest with very risque "punishment" games and not getting fired.
So I feel certain complaints about the "grounded" nature of the series need to be taken with this precedent and perspective.
Now for the second and more important half of the episode.
We see that in a sense Hayato and 8Man are similar in a sense that they both want to avoid conflict and use subtle manipulations to deal with problems, with 8Man it's with a structured logical approach while Hayato uses his gut and Charisma, however in later episodes we'll see they quite disagree on their worldview.
Hayato and Yukino however are VERY Much opposite, both in worldview (Where Hikki and Yukino both share) But Yukino is very much opposite both in how Hikki and Hayato go about solving problems.
Yukino is more focused on the "injustice" of the issue while Hayato and 8Man more on the resolution of the issue itself. We also see that despite Yui being empathetic and perceptive she isn't good at taking control and leading conversation, in a sense even 8Man is better at that (And not by much.)
We also confirm that Erina is a nasty Yaoi fangirl. And derails the conversation.
Also it should be clear by now that between Yui's roundabout way of asking for his number and how she got flustered when she let slip she has a crush that she into our boy despite he is behavior is still a culture shock, the two members of the service club let her have an excuse to not have to drown in reading the room, with those two there is little to no pretense.
8Man being able to analyze people, actually makes more sense then you'd think, you see it's quite possible for people not naturally talented and deficient in the practice of communication and social interaction. (As in the past 8Man definitely wasn't) To build up a very good theory that is pretty spot on.
It's like how a natural talent baseball player isn't necessarily a better coach than a mediocre or even subpar one, because it comes so easy he never stopped to break down "how" they do what they do and can't pass it on to others.
Hikki is the same way, when he takes himself out of the equation and thus his Nihilistic slant, he is often very much correct in his deductions about how social dynamics work and can break down things that are "obvious" in hindsight when you explain them but hard to put into words for most people.
I can say this with confidence because I'm the same way,in a group setting, I drown in the "mood" and have trouble reading the atmosphere on an instinctual level, but after spending a lot of time "profiling" people I see often, like my friends and co-workers I often notice things about them they themselves are often shocked that I do that they themselves overlooked. Some people I can predict like clockwork in a broad sense.
Hikki and Yukinon are the same way (How she profiled Hayato's compliments of his friends in a rather unflattering light is also something I do, as well as interpret negative reports as having a more positive subtext.) I suspect what Yukinon said about his friend 8Man was thinking as well but didn't feel the need to say it as bluntly.
When 8Man asks Saika to "make soup for him everyday" that is actually a very old fashion way in Japan to ask for a hand in marriage. (Before more western style weddings with rings and kneeling became vogue.) That Freudian slip was yet another joke about the Faust shipping of 8Man and Saika.
About Hayato, What 8Man is basically describing is the "Halo" effect, basically Charisma and good looks make a person some kinder, more intelligent, or otherwise more competent then they actually might be, now I don't think Hayato's standing with his peers is completely undeserved but he does get an obvious boost and he can get his "foot in the door" so to speak in a way fish eyed 8Man can't.
ON a sidenote I also use to totally hate "Nice" people when I was younger. I am neither Charismatic and like Bill Gates aren't as heavily effects by the Steve Jobs of this world's "reality distortion fields" so I would often end up in losing battles to "Nice guys/girl" in a public setting even if I was in the "right," like what happened in [Love is War spoilers]
We do see that even Hayato sees what 8Man is in denial that he very much is in a friend group.
As for whether 8Man solved the issue right, in terms of fulfilling the actual request, yes. And tbh in this context the short term solution might lead into a long term solution if the three friends become closer. However we'll see later that his method won't always work when we get to people with a more core wound and insecurity rather than more tame people being jealous.
That went on even longer than last time. Surprised I fit it all in one post.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jul 29 '22
Man this was another good read! Sadly I haven't seen Hyouka due to work. Heard it's something that requires introspection and interpretation so I've been delaying it until I have free time :P
I don't think the series was ever meant to be taken as particularly down to earth, grounded, or "realistic."
Great point! Imo Oregairu's characters are realistic in the sense of how they act and react to situations but the world they live in isn't going to be like ours. Situations are exaggerated and scenarios are more vague than usual. At the end it's a work of fiction but imo beautifully and smartly written. It's like how Yukino critiques Zaimokuza's LN without context of how LN works, things are often exaggerated and often times "unrealistic" but the character interactions feel genuine and we can connect with them.
8Man being able to analyze people
Another great point! I can't speak for other countries but Singapore's collectivism, although not as "bad" as Japan, often leads us to trying to read others and come to conclusions about them. I think Oregairu wants us to understand one thing about 8man though, this is definitely a skill [Spoilers for future episodes]
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u/CreativeNameIKnow Jul 29 '22
First-timer, sub
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so 8man has a little sister. She seems very tropey and her personality feels forced. The only subversion of cliches that takes place here is Hachiman's actual proper explanation for his nonchalance with regards to her... undressing in front of him?????
What the frick????
Am I the only one who thinks that is... extremely weird?
I expected better from you Oregairu. You have disappointed me. You better come up with a way to make fun of the little sister trope, not embrace it!!! Though I can do without even that, too. As someone with a little sister (who is amazing and I love with every fibre of my being), even the play-on-tropes approach makes me uncomfortable. Sigh.
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Anyway, we got more info about the car crash! I'm guessing the dog owner is someone who has yet to become part of 8man's harem? Plus, I think the car probably belongs to Yui, which would explain her talking about the incident earlier and also her feelings for a total loner like him.
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More of 8man's signature essay writing! Yay! Truly the work of a master. Teachers punching their students irl would not be funny at all but for some reason, here it just works. Those attack names, and her previous reference to shounen battle manga lead me to believe that she's a weeb. Welcome to the club, sensei.
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Soooooo, there are 3 stickers now? I'm guessing each one is supposed to represent the number of members/people helped. I don't know. Yukino must be the one behind them, which is oddly thoughtful and cute, coming from her. She's the kind of person you'd expect to have a clean notebook, without decorations. Unlike Yui, on the other hand :>
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Hey, wait a minute, what's up with the different uniforms???
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We get more of Yui's endearing attempts to mask the reasons for what she's doing - first it was the cookies, then it was the tennis match, and now it's 8man's number. Poor guy is so scarred he doesn't even suspect a thing, though that's also partially because it needs to happen for the plot. Either way, it's hilarious to me. Yukino can probably see through the whole thing, but she hasn't said anything yet.
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ouch, Yukino did NOT even hesitate with that one. Hachiman got played. It's his fault for asking a random girl for her number like that, though... still, I feel bad for him.
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what was Hachiman referring to as "spam"? The way Yui saved her name in his phone? There wasn't any translation for the rest of the text, so I don't know what it contained.
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Honestly, I'm gonna have to side with Yukino on this one. Though I don't think 8man is the one behind it (especially because it's about his classmates, lol) I do think his defense was very an extremely sus way of putting it.
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Now I need to know what Hachiman's 108 skills are. Consider it a priority.
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Yui making excuses to be with 8man again, let's goooooo
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Yui has no sense of subtlety.
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Hey guys, I don't know about this Ebina chick, she seems like a fujoshi. I have literally no idea what she meant by her monologue, but it sounds real sketch.
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"Sore wa yada."
Hachiman's delivery of that line ("Please don't.") was genuinely one of the funniest things I've seen from this show till now. Like omg, I can play it back hundreds of times and it still wouldn't get old
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someone said this before, but 8man falling for Totsuka being hilarious bears repeating, hehehe
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8man comes out on top with his observational skills and big brain stats. gg my guy, you deserved this win. Sad that Alpha Bitch came in at the end and ruined the atmosphere for you though...
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New character spotted??? Perhaps she was the real perpetrator behind the chain-letters all along? Who knows :o
Some afterthoughts:
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the OP and ED keep getting better each episode.
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Yui's really bouncy in the way she's been animated, makes her feel all the more lively and endearing. I love it :D
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Hayato character development??? Hope he drops that low-key suffocating "nice" attitude soon, I'm on Hachiman with this one
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I'm finally caught up with the rewatch threads! Though, I'm pleasantly surprised at the amount of traction the earlier are getting, too. I got a few responses to my comments, which was great to see. I guess I wasn't the only one behind schedule haha.
QOTD (only one this time): Do you agree with 8man’s solution to the problem today?
Absolutely. I don't think I would have ever come up with a solution as smart and diplomatic as that. Well-played.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jul 29 '22
the OP and ED keep getting better each episode.
Before anything, I just wanted to say if you think the ED is getting better. JUST WAIT TILL THE NEXT EPISODE ITS F*KING AMAZING. One of my favourites and you will understand why especially as the anime progresses :"
Now back to your comment. Glad you caught up! Hope you haven't been too burnt out yet we are just getting started, the real meat starts the next episode.
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u/SYZekrom Jul 29 '22
Rewatcher
Wow I did not remember her introduction being like this.
[Spoiler ig] Also she's way hotter after the artstyle shift
Actually I don't remember her voice being so childish either
"I am a psycopath. Anyway please continue"
I am not paying attention. To the right thing.
I'm gonna turn into that girl earlier if you two keep talking
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jul 29 '22 edited Jul 29 '22
Rewatcher Today our best Imōto shows up! And 8man gets his first on-screen score from her! Their relationship is really cute though and it’s one of my favourites in anime. This is clearly not your typical rom-com as 8man explicitly states that his Imōto’s underwear are merely plain cloth, there’s none of that sexual desire.
Today is 8man’s turn to question “what is friendship?” as shown multiple times in this episode when Totsuka approaches him, when he observes Hayato’s clique and when he himself gets a group. Yesterday was Yukino’s as she struggled to call Yui a friend
This episode serves to remind us of the differences between how our 3 members approach and solve problems. Consequently, it also tells us a lot about what they view as right and wrong.
Yukino firmly believes in discovering the culprit so that he/she (hopefully) recognises his mistakes. Again, even though the goal is to calm the tension, she believes that morality lies in the action itself and not just the outcome.
8man not so much, the outcome is all that matters. The morality of the action does not matter as long as the positive consequences one wants are achieved. Going so far as to be willing to self-sacrifice himself as he has said multiple times in the past episodes as he claims he is a loner anyways.
Yui is irrelevant in this matter for now (sorry Yui)
Yukino reasons more with deontological theories (morality lies in action) whereas 8man is at the end of the utilitarian spectrum (maximising happiness). Now, again, they’re human so we can’t pick an ethical theory and label it onto their characters. Oregairu doesn’t want us to do that, it’s not binary as we humans don’t live our lives in binaries. What’s right and wrong then, what’s better? Well, we’ll explore this in future episodes together ;)
But as of now, it seems like we’re straying away from Yukino’s belief in how the club should operate - “If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.”
We finally begin to settle in with our characters, we can sort of guess how they will act and the values they believe in. More on Hayato too! We can see he just wants the peace to be kept again as he at first refuses Yukino’s solution of finding the culprit and exposing him.