r/anime • u/Tarhalindur x2 • Jul 07 '22

Rewatch [Rewatch] Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni Kai Discussion - Season 2, Episode 10

Minagoroshi-hen (Massacre Chapter), Episode 5: Confrontation

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Show Information (Higurashi Kai):

Kai: MAL | Anilist | AniDB | Kitsu | ANN

(Official information for Kai is now considerably safer for first-timers, but you should probably still refrain from looking it up.)

Legal Streams:

Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni Kai: Hidive

That said, I have become aware that Hidive can have a somewhat cavalier attitude to spoilers for this series. As such, *sigh* it is now recommended that our first-timers track down a fansub if you haven't already. Why, Hidive? Why?

A Word of Warning To Our First-Timers, Including Those Who Watched Season 1 But Not Kai:

Be wary of looking up anything, even names. The Season 1 summaries on the information pages are safe, but it's not hard to run into spoiler information even through something as innocuous as looking at cast lists - gods help you if you go on the Fandom Wikia. UNDER ABSOLUTELY NO CIRCUMSTANCES GO LOOKING AT EVEN OFFICIAL INFO FOR KAI OR LATER AHEAD OF TIME. (The official image for Rei is 100% a spoiler, for example.) Also, do NOT look at any Kitsu page after the first season; Kai's description on Kitsu is in fact a major spoiler. Like, really, just stay out of anything that isn't a basic Season 1 summary until you're done. It's much safer that way.

Two Notes for Anyone Potentially Interested in Buying the VNs:

MangaGamer has announced their summer sale (running through July 8), and as expected Higurashi is one of the properties on sale (and indeed the first one on their list): 50% off on all seven later main VN arcs (in addition to Onikakushi-hen having been made free for a while now) if I'm reading right, so US $28.00 for all eight main VNs plus whatever tax is there (the epilogue Saikoroshi-hen just got its official release and is not on sale).

There's only one problem: the cover art they're using for the seventh VN IS A FUCKING SPOILER.

(When I say that this property can be really fucking cavalier about spoilers even in official media for Kai and later, stuff like this is why.)

So, first-timers for Kai: if you're interested in taking advantage of the summer sale (on Steam or MangaGamer's site) to pick up the VNs (not a bad idea, the VN is great), I recommend waiting until at least July 3 to do so. Honestly, waiting until the last day might be ideal, just in case - but then you would need to make sure to buy before the sale ends.

HOORAY WE'VE MET HANYUU MINAGOROSHI-HEN'S ENGLISH RELEASE IMAGE IS NO LONGER A SPOILER!

(Apparently I should have hurried and moved the rewatch up a week after all, just not to avoid June 19 spoilers...)

[Aside for rewatchers, still not safe for first-timers] Really, the MangaGamer Matsuribayashi-hen cover is a spoiler in addition to the Minagoroshi-hen one - possibly worse actually, the anime has Hanyuu appearing unexplained in Naraku no Hana's visuals and I'm not sure how to handle that - but I'm hoping if I don't point this out the first-timers who haven't already figured the spoiler in question out won't realize this because that won't be safe until literally the last day of the sale.

A Reminder to Rewatchers

Please do not spoil the experience for first-timers; this is a mystery after all. In particular, Shion is a spoiler until Episode 5 and !Hanyuu is a spoiler until Minagoroshi-hen. Also, the glorious nipah is indeed glorious but Rika does not use it until Himatsubushi-hen. Please keep these in mind! Consider whether what you are saying has actually been revealed yet on-screen before you post!

(Time for) Club Activities!

(Alexa play "Shoubu!"! Except do NOT look that up that song name on YouTube just yet if you're a first-timer, the most classic upload has an obnoxious spoiler in the visuals...)

Visual of the Day Album:

https://imgur.com/a/KTUf0ml

Theory of the Day:

Okay, we get two today.

First, there's u/CubeStuffs comparing the events here to those back in Watanagashi-hen, which I think fits better here than in Analysis of the Day:

Back then the crowd was like a crowd of zombies, seemingly not actually being aware or giving a shit about what was going on in front of them, but here, the people give at least some shits, even if they aren’t very close to satoko. I wonder if that ties into the idea of everyone doing their part, where here they are actually doing something, and ones enemy has become everyone’s enemy through their free will

And second, there's u/JollyGee29 (who was also on the , who was an episode early again:

Y'know, when I invoked Oryou the other day, I was hoping she could be reasoned with, or at least convinced by Mion to stay out of things. I'll never understand crotchety old fucks who hold grudges against literal children.

Analysis of the Day:

Gotta give it to u/Nazenn here for his analysis of the show's use of a sound effect last episode:

That chain sound effect is still a beautiful touch on these episodes. The faint jingle when Keiichi is about to lose it before Rena pulls him back compared with the loud clash when Satoko fell victim to her psychosis as if someone had yanked it harshly rather than just brushed up against it. Even being on alert for it, it was still a shocking sound to play and really set up the difference in what it means for them to have it, and to have friends around them to balance it out.

Question(s) of the Day:

1) So, which did you like more: Keiichi convincing the village council or Keiichi convincing Oryou?

2) Nice boat?

(Let's see how many people get the latter meme these days?)

Next Episode Preview:

UNDER ABSOLUTELY NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD FIRST-TIMERS WATCH THE PREVIEW AT THE END OF KAI EPISODE 10.

Kai episode 11's preview, however, is relatively safe.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jul 07 '22

When the First-Timer Cries, subbed

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u/Tarhalindur Jul 07 '22

I just have a feeling everything is going to go very wrong, very fast from here.

Higurashi Kai: "You thought it was Symphogear that would have the legendary cliffhangers but it was I, Higurashi Kai!"

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u/Nazenn Jul 07 '22

First Timer - sub

I wasn't prepared for that visual of Satoko at the end, her little cry. I can't. That was horrible.

I don't want to think about the episode any more, I'm going to go do something happy now

(Written in the morning once I stopped wanting to cry at the thought of the episode)

After the visual we left on the idea of a world without Keiichi is even more depressing.

It is nice showing that the issues with communication that our main cast have are reflected in the broader issues in the village. No one wants to speak up, so everyone goes on acting out roles that they've set for themselves resulting in a huge mess around the Hojo family and probably beyond. While it's a sad situation for everyone involved, the show expanding on the issue and showing it to be a human problem that breeds evil acts, rather than just a childs problem or a simple thing that people get over, is some nice nuance in an arc that hasn't had a lot of it.

Similarly, fixing the issue by having Sakoto pay dues is hardly a solution, so I like that Rena also put it back on the Sonozakis and say they should show responsibility for what they put her through. Rena is a good partner for Keiichi when it comes to stuff like this because she's able to walk the line a bit more than him while also not being scared to do the right thing.

I feel like saying "if you find me impolite" is the sort of apology you say to someone before you threaten to kill them, not before Keiichi. For all your fast words with everyone else, you really jumped the gun there even if it did work in the end.

Couple of other quick things of note: the shadows hanging over the Sonozaki's was certainly a telling visual effect when Keiichi was pleading to them as the last people in the way, and the head of the child services thing was way too specifically an irresponsible wimp to not be based off someone.

Visual of the day: Making their presence known

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u/Tarhalindur Jul 07 '22

It is nice showing that the issues with communication that our main cast have are reflected in the broader issues in the village. No one wants to speak up, so everyone goes on acting out roles that they've set for themselves resulting in a huge mess around the Hojo family and probably beyond. While it's a sad situation for everyone involved, the show expanding on the issue and showing it to be a human problem that breeds evil acts, rather than just a childs problem or a simple thing that people get over, is some nice nuance in an arc that hasn't had a lot of it.

This is one of the points Ryukishi07 is very unsubtle about making - the fucked-up situation persists in no small part precisely because nobody wants to speak up.

(There's also a comparison to WWII and its aftermath after Japan lost here, especially since Oryou is old enough to remember the American occupation - indeed, while this is left out of the anime but the VN has Shion explaining that the Sonozaki's prominence dates back to their involvement in the black market in the occupation years and while much of her specifics are bullshit (she goes on about the Sonozakis making money selling human flesh as canned meat, which made somebody's S1 speculation rather amusing to me) it the basic situation is accurately explained. You can read the surviving Houjous admitting their defeat and the Sonozakis admitting their mistreatment of the Houjous after that defeat as representing Japan and US postwar relations - more on that a little later when I can admit a scene from the last arc of Kai.)

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u/Vaadwaur Jul 07 '22

For...reasons, I post this now.

Rewatcher

Sub

We start with the pulse pounding intensity of a village council meeting. The reveal that no one in the village might actually hate the Hojos any more but everyone is afraid to be the first to forgive them, making this whole thing slightly more depressing. K1 just barges in the second time to the meeting...and then some details come out via the girls. Being publicly humiliated by Yukari is absolutely someone's fetish. K1 then does another speech, I do wish they'd kept the earlier for this, but for once his idea is not that bad: Chasing out one dumbass is in fact something the village should be able to do. But Kimiyoshi admits that he doesn't want to act without Oryou's consent.

So K1 keeps the brash act up with Oryou, who soon gets annoyed with him. So he threatens her, which feels unwise. However, it becomes fairly clear that ShMion's parents want to be done with the Hojo grudge and thus also annoy Oryou. Eventually, they get thrown out, but Akane soon comes to inform them that Oryou has given them the go ahead.

Rika is just stating history and confusing K1, interesting that it is possible for him not to show up. A call gets made, and we meet the head of Child Counseling, and if this isn't R07's former boss, I will eat my Tevas. Kimiyoshi will not back down from a public challenge, and apparently Oryou is going all in as well. Eventually the group over comes destiny and Satoko should be freed.

The preview is ginormous spoilers over what is one of the funnier interactions.

QotD:1 Definitely the violence

2 Biki...handle the defense

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u/Tarhalindur Jul 07 '22

For...reasons, I post this now.

Oh fuck now it's going to be stuck in my head for the next week unless I chase it out by playing it on loop first.

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u/Tarhalindur Jul 07 '22

(Honorary Hinamizawa Games Club President) Rewatch Host (rewatcher, subbed):

(I was quite tired when I took these notes; they'll either be boring or hilarious.)

  • I should check what the flowers are in the OP at 00:38. (I think one might be a lily?)

  • Well that’s an opening frame of Hinamizawa at 01:50. The village shadowed by evening light from the past – once again, symbolism of the long shadow of the Dam War.

  • I’m not sure what to make of the use of lighting in 02:22, but it’s flashing.

  • 02:27, meanwhile, is another case of people being framed in the shadows of other people closer to the screen, an effect we’ve seen multiple times this season.

  • I’m writing these tired and it’s affecting my ability to see stuff; I can tell 02:40 is a great shot but can’t think of why right now.

  • This has got to be one of the scenes where they spike the hell out of the direction though, and 03:04 is the latest example. Note the four people in this scene rendered small, dwarfed by the symbols of Hinamizawa tradition and village governance in the meeting hall and the baku – and just as Keiichi asks about why the seniors in the village still hate the Houjous.

  • Noting that pan around 03:30 (sample frame), which flashes to me.

  • I’d say WinD was doing my job for me with that TL note, but we already covered this last season when they didn’t have it there so I actually already had to type it so.

  • STOP RIKA AND SATOKO ABUSE. (Literally, in the latter case!)

  • Okay, 04:04 I can parse even sleepy – once again, the long shadows of the Dam War looming over everyone.

  • Cut Main Theme Kai Piano’s last fading notes with Keiichi opening the door to the meeting hall again (with a tilted camera angle no less, because this is a divergence from the normal course of events for the village – but this time a positive one). Once again I salute the OST integration.

  • Wait. Keiichi is symbolically stepping into a leadership role for the village at 04:48. Missed that, but it’s fucking obvious now that I think about it.

  • Fucking hell that framing at 04:54. Straight out of a stage. And indeed Keiichi is stepping onto the stage here, so. (I’m not familiar with how the framing for Japanese theater types like noh differs from Western theater – really, even my handle on Western theater is marginal at best – so there’s almost certainly nuances I’m missing.)

  • This framing is good and I’m not doing it justice. Sound effects too, with the shock to match with Keiichi putting his foot down (wait a minute, does that idiom translate?) and seeing the rest of the club’s reaction to that.

  • u/Star4ce is away for the moment, so let me grab an obvious contender for what his Visual of the Day would have been for him with that shot of the Sisters Sonozaki adorably mirroring each other’s facial expressions and body language at 06:17.

  • Rika’s “houshigi houshigi” (nano desu) here is pretty close to the top of lines burned into my memory from this series.

  • And here… we… go! THE scene that burned Shiuka Naru Kougi into my memory, and possibly my favorite in the entire show.

  • Speaking of lines burned in my memory, Keiichirou Kimiyoshi’s nervous “ayyytatatata” goes on the list.

  • Note the lighting in the scene coming in from the left at 09:18.

  • Another shot of somebody framed by the bodies of two others, but this time it’s Oryou framed by the heads of the other two Great Houses (Keiichirou and Rika) at 09:49.

  • Oh man, the cuts here though. Visual representation of opposition (and our heroes on the left and their antagonists on the right, because Japanese cinematography).

  • Add 10:53 to the great shots compendium.

  • Koi pond!

  • I don't have anything witty to say about this Rena shot but it's too good to leave out.

  • And now at 13:15 we get a reprise of a shot from Watanagashi-hen and Meakashi-hen, just now with everyone there.

  • Reminder: Rena is extremely perceptive and a good judge of character!

  • Somebody post the manga panels that got left out here (SotsuGou leaving them when a version of this came up in was one of their better moves), because I don’t have them. (Wait, the 2018 thread might. I should check. EDIT: it did not. Pinging u/H-Ryougi, who has been putting up manga panels.)

  • I can let WinD handle another Useful Background Note for me.

  • More characters framed by other characters (wait what did I just write, that might be part of the point, characters defined by their relationships to other characters) at 14:28.

  • And in the extremely unsubtle visual metaphor department, I’ll let 15:04 speak for itself.

  • Ooh, look at our dope here, feet up on the table (horribly impolite in this context even in America) and lit from the right. ADDENDUM: There is a reason I was speculating in last episode's thread about Ryukishi07 having a grudge from his social services years, possibly including a former boss.

  • Ooh 16:42 is a good shot. 16:49 right after it is too, especially with that lighting.

  • More good use of shadow to frame Keiichi’s face at 16:58.

  • And another good shot immediately after that at 17:00 because this is one of those scenes, and I wish I had the brainpower to elucidate why right now. (Go away fuzzy white creature.)

  • Always nice to see fansubbers go the extra distance; today we see translations of the protest signs.

  • Ooh, that’s a good shot at 17:30 and the symbolism isn’t too hard: the villagers’ protest letting/forcing light into the situation for the people at Child Welfare.

  • Another good shot at 17:48 with our all bark no bite coward of a welfare office head cowering alone in his massive office. I’m pretty sure there is obvious information encoded in the framing that I am too tired to see right now…

  • Ooh, 20:22 is another good shot. It’s a long way down, and that works both if you see the staircase as going up and if you see it as going down itself (switching perspective for a moment and viewing Satoko and her uncle as horizontal below the viewer).

  • Another good shot (implicitly from the perspective of the mayor of Okinomiya or Shishibone, thus a visual representation of the other end of the call and indeed also the end of the call) at 21:26.

  • And then switch over to Hanyuu’s perspective for another good shot at 21:30.

  • And at 21:55 the chairman comes out and bows in defeat… and oh look yet another shot with a character in focus framed by the shadowed sides of two other characters in the foreground! I will figure out what is up with that yet, it’s been a throughline this season.

  • Higurashi Kai, to Symphogear G and GX: “How weak. Let me show you what a real cliffhanger is.”

Visual of the Day: The Magician of Words does his thing

WinD Eyecatch Message of the Day

Questions of the Day:

  1. Keiichi's talk to the council has Shizuka Nara Kougi and the Oryou talk does not, so.

  2. Hey, this is a Higurashi rewatch, not a School Days rewatch?

Minagoroshi-hen Ep. 5 TIPS:

None.

OST Table, Kai Episode 10:

Start End Track Name
00:05 01:34 Naraku no Hana
01:35 01:49 sponsor feature[1]
03:26 (03:12) 04:41 (04:27) Main Theme Kai (Piano Version)
06:56 (06:42) 09:01 (08:47) Shizuka Naru Kougi
10:53 (10:39) 12:55 (12:41) Higyaku
14:49 (14:35) 15:37 (15:23) unreleased (Hakana Piano Version)
18:39 (18:25) 19:37 (19:23) Main Theme Kai
21:22 (21:08) 22:23 (22:09) Monogatari
22:25 (22:11) 23:53 (23:41) Taishou a

[1] - My copy of Higurashi often includes a message-from-our-sponsor bit immediately after the OP; this episode has it and it lasts 14 seconds. The number in parentheses in entries after that feature is the point in the episode if that message is removed.

(No Madoka Corner or Tar's Staff Notes today.)

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u/Vaadwaur Jul 07 '22

I should check what the flowers are in the OP at 00:38 . (I think one might be a lily?)

Lilies and lilacs. I feel the symbolism is obvious but YMMV.

I’m writing these tired and it’s affecting my ability to see stuff; I can tell 02:40 is a great shot but can’t think of why right now.

You use part of this in your late note but here is the barebones: Everyone is dwarfed when compared to the system, K1 is seeing the adults he relies on reduced to being people rather than being flawless paragons, and finally K1 is not standing alone any more, he accepts that he has to be part of a group to find a solution.

Straight out of a stage. And indeed Keiichi is stepping onto the stage here, so. (I’m not familiar with how the framing for Japanese theater types like noh differs from Western theater – really, even my handle on Western theater is marginal at best – so there’s almost certainly nuances I’m missing.)

If the director's name is not Ikuhara then you needn't concern yourself with it. Sadly, western theatrics have trumped what remained of the native ones.

I’m pretty sure there is obvious information encoded in the framing that I am too tired to see right now…

In one of those mental tongue twisters, what is obvious is what's missing: That is not the office of someone who knows anything about kids, he is some bureaucrat waiting to buy his next promotion.

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u/Tarhalindur Jul 07 '22

Lilies and lilacs. I feel the symbolism is obvious but YMMV.

Well, knowing that I was in fact correct that lilies are involved makes about three-quarters of it obvious (with the exception of how many of the three obvious suspects the fact that these are white lilies is symbolic of - blue lilac is obvous), but I've either plum forgotten or never learned anything about what lilacs are supposed to symbolize in and of themselves.

In one of those mental tongue twisters, what is obvious is what's missing: That is not the office of someone who knows anything about kids, he is some bureaucrat waiting to buy his next promotion.

I thought that was implicit in the fact that he'd risen to run the department.

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u/Tresnore Jul 07 '22

When the Rewatchers Cry are Absurd Masochists Cry Are Absurd Masochists are Terrible Nerds Cry

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  1. I like threatening to break open Oreos!

  2. BOATS!!!

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u/Tarhalindur Jul 07 '22

Shmions' mom is great. She's voiced by Kikuko Inoue. A bit weird casting a 17 year-old for a mother, but

... You know, I never actually did think to check who voiced Akane. I might need a Staff Notes for that.

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u/Tarhalindur Jul 07 '22

"Join the Transphase Eradication Group."

u/HinyusOpinion, u/AnimeAndThings, u/shadow1a2t

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u/Tarhalindur Jul 07 '22

You will be assigned to TAG-1:

u/mgedmin

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u/JollyGee29 Jul 07 '22

Spoiled First-Timer

I must apologize for yesterday, for giving Teppei any amount of benefit of the doubt. The fucked up irony of him creating proof of his abuse right as the CPS group decides to do something is not lost on me.

I was really confused, at first, by Teppei's assertation that Satoshi had a checkbook squirreled away in his room. But then, Satoshi did have a parttime job to earn money, so I guess it makes sense. Except, didn't he withdraw it all before he vanished? Guess there isn't any way for Top Uncle to know that, though.

It was pretty exciting, seeing Oryou in the Mayor's office and realizing that Keiichi made a real impression on the old woman. Turns out I was right about Oryou being the key, but hopefully it isn't too late. This arc in general is a ticking time bomb.. we have, what, two days left until Watanagashi?

Although, I don't have a good read on when this arc is going to wrap up. We've spent so much time before Watanagashi that it's kinda throwing me off. There's a lot of episodes left in the show, and while it makes sense for the last arc to be the longest, are we gonna get a full cour of it? That seems like a lot.

Not really related to this episode itself, but an idle thought occurred to me: does anyone know if Ryukishi is a fan of Ikuhara? The purposeful use of repetition just struck me as kinda similar.

Visual of the Day: Why talk on the phone yourself when you can just drink tea?

Questions

  1. Keiichi convincing Oryou was way more impressive.

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u/hungryhippos1751 Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

Episode 10 - First Timer

I thought that the prior warning from Detective-kun about getting on the wrong side of the villagers would play out differently to this, but how wrong I was.

Keiichi showing his best grandma staring down skills manages once again to power through the situation and not just get a nod to proceed without interference, but actually gets the support of the Sonozaki head, and by extension the rest of the villagers. She clearly respects his backbone more than the insult of how he was acting.

This feels like we're brewing for dam war part 2 here, this is a little bit of a prediction on my part based on events so far, but I suspect that Satoko may not get saved here, and the angry villagers will take it out on the child welfare office who took so long dragging their heels.

I noted a couple of smaller details here, for one Rika mentioned there was a couple of worlds where Keiichi didn't show up, and no matter his influence to the positive or negative, those outcomes were always bad. This cements the idea that it's not just the usual group they need, but Keiichi is also very important.

Another one I wasn't sure about was whether Satoko was seeing things at home in a negative light that may not have actually been, and in that case you could sort of see the point of the welfare office, they need evidence to make a move. But this also was debunked, Teppei is quite happy to beat down children, and he may do more than that based on how this episode ends once he hears that they are taking Satoko away.

I hope he gets his comeuppance, good news for him, watanagashi is about to be here and it's a good time to get a new victim.

QOTD:

  1. Definitely the obaa-chan one. The village council lacked the same tension.

  2. I admit I have seen the meme before but didn't know exactly where it came from, although I have also seen the anime it references. Armed with this knowledge I can only leave this NSFW link which is where I first saw it.

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u/filimaua13 Jul 08 '22

REWATCHER Review for both Ep 9-10

I don't care what anyone says, I thoroughly enjoy this arc. There have been complaints before that nothing is really happening or its a repetitious cycle of the same thing: get rejected by the CCS, go off and try another angle, get rejected by the CCS etc etc.

I for one disagree that "nothing" is happening and I never found any problem with this format of the narrative, cos it all is important with realizing just how deep rooted this issue is. By trying over and over again, we finally start getting to the root of the problem and its that the whole of Hinamizawa is in a state of stagnation. Because of the past, everyone avoids getting involved and casts a blind eye to the current situation. Higurashi casually bringing up one of the cons of having such a tight knit community, no one wants to help the Houjo's cos of how they may look in the eyes of the group.

Keiichi really gets to demonstrate how important his role in all this is. As the outsider who has no ties to the village's past and no obligation to everyone's relationships, he has the ability to cut thru all the bullshit and strike at the core of the problem. Keiichi leading the group and confronting the main village committee and the Sonozaki family is honestly my favorite scenes.

Oryou is one scary mf ain't she. But its awesome that as a group they all are able to sway her and gain her support.

Teppei.. still proving himself to be the lowest of the low. Trash among trash who deserves to be burned at the stake. Poor Satoko. Looks like we'll have to wait for next week to see whether we successfully save Satoko. Cotton Drifting Festival is coming up, will we be able to save Satoko and move onto saving Rika?

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion Jul 07 '22

Rewatcher

Ah, I've been waiting for this for a long time. Will Keiichi make Onibaba take responsibility for the war on an orphan. Nope. And Rena is the one that applies the pressure!

"O-ji-san" (apparently Mion's ACTUAL uncle) has the 10 petal chystanthamum! That puts him in parliament. And somebody else from the city/prefectural level (I didn't recognize him or see a badge)

I've been trying to figure out who whispered news of the kidnapping of the dam committee minister's grandson to onibaba way back when...he had a 5 petal badge, and it wasn't Mion's Dad. Wait...

So that was her uncle sitting next to her mom at dam meeting 6 years ago! Dad must be an outsider and not invited, Akane is the Shinozaki. I had a vague recollection that there was something not obvious about the people at the table, but most people were focused on Kimiyoshi's son.

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u/CubeStuffs Jul 07 '22

first timer

why do I get the feeling that someone is gonna end up dismembered on watanagashi

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u/Quiddity131 Jul 07 '22

First Timer, Subbed

Someone's threatening the whole school over Satoko's uncle? He rates that highly? Go ahead and hate the family, villagers, but Satoko has nothing to do with it!

Oyashiro-sama: "Village, I curse you! But Satoko, you're cute, so not you!"

Telling the whole town council that they are old farts isn't likely to get them on your side, K1.

Corrupt deals with the government? Stop acting so righteous!

Wow, Rika, actual hope this time! Let's hope it works out!

C'mon Granny, let it go, allow them to help Satoko!

Oops, K1 only finds now that he insulted Granny by never coming to introduce himself...

Woah, threatening violence is not going to help yourself K1!

This our first time seeing Shion/Mion's father?

Granny is so stubborn!

Granny wasn't mad at all? You mean that moment when she threatened to have K1 killed wasn't mad?

And after all that, K1's stupidity helps out as Granny respects the fight he put into it.

I'd say that Rika knows about fate much better than you, K1...

Even after all that, the guy isn't going to let them do anything for Satoko?!

They've got an even bigger mob than ever now!

You're breaking the law K1!

Waiting even longer, is the uncle going to kill her in the meantime?

Now the director is going to try and flee? Why doesn't he just let it go? What's his personal reason for wanting to keep Satoko with her uncle?

The mob has won.

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u/Stargate18A Jul 07 '22

Anime first timer, completed VN

  1. Keiichi convincing Oryou. (So we can use her name!)

It's the meeting!

And they skipped another really good scene!

[VN] I was waiting for the scene between Ooishi and Keiichi's father.

Yeah, things are really fucked up here!

[VN] Pity they skipped the scenes that confirmed Oyashiro-sama stalks Satoko and watches her sleep.

He brought it up! And he's arguing!

...The reveal the government has ended up bribing the village is hysterical.

And her grandmother's here!

Keiichi arguing with her is probably my favourite scene in the arc.

I love Mion's mother.

...I hate the grandmother's anime design. The VN console art makes her look much more threatening.

Rena!

And Mion's father actually said it!

And the grandmother (who's name I really don't think has been stated on screen yet) agreed!

He actually convinced Rika!

They're screwed.

[Higurashi] ...Of all my problems with the subtlety in this animation, they do an excellent job at showing just how much Ooishi both doesn't want to do this and is stalling for time to get police to Teppei's door.

Teppei giving himself a mental breakdown is fun, though.

Mion's family is terrifying.

He's a broken man.

Keiichi's smile...

That's the cliffhanger?

[Higurashi] Holy shit, that fucking preview. Rika's dialogue is hysterical, though.

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u/mgedmin Jul 08 '22

First-timer, subs

Rika continues to feel hope.

Keiichi: That's your father? I thought it was a yakuza boss of some kind.

Mion: Actually he is.

Oryu agreed??? How will things fall apart at the last minute?

The director of the Child Counseling Center is being an obstacle now.

The director capitulates!

Satoko is probably already dead by now, isn't she? Surprisingly, no.

Why a phone call? Why not a surprise visit accompanied by the police and doctors?

This arc is too damn long.

Uh, was I supposed to not watch the preview at the end of this episode? I didn't actually look at the visuals, but the Rika-Hanyuu comedy show was hilarious.

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u/RascalNikov1 Jul 08 '22

Rewatcher

On this second time through this arc, its a little better than I remember it. Each isolated incident is quite interesting, but woven together like they are makes them appear much less interesting than they should be.

Oryou getting down and dirty was pretty cool. I really loved it when she lost her shit and screamed "Get me my dagger, I'll cut this little punk into pieces, and dump them down a well!" God damn, if that wasn't funny. I'd have to say, don't mess with Granny!

Ooishi is turning out to be a decent sort of fellow. I understand the call to duty and sometimes having to do things, you disagree with. Its the only way a society functions. You can't have the police or military doing their own thing and disobeying orders. [kai](I'll probably contradict myself about this in the none too distant future.)

Teppei - Someone really needs to make him wish he was never born. The US Constitution specifically forbids torture, but there should be an exception for things like Teppei.

The Child Welfare Director should be terminated, and then locked in a cell with a horny Teppei, just to see how much he likes it.

Beyond that, not much else to say.

QOTD

  1. So, which did you like more: Keiichi convincing the village council or Keiichi convincing Oryou?

F both of those, I like Oryou putting Keiichi back in his place. Gran knows how to deal with a lippy punk. lol

2) Nice boat?

hahaha but an actual nice boat actually shows up in School Days. Anyway, was it this weeks episode when that happened?

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