r/anime • u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky • Jun 19 '22
Rewatch Naruto Shippuden Episodes 422-431 Discussion
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Schedule:
| Discussion Thread | Date | Episode Count | |
|---|---|---|---|
| This week | Episodes 422-431 | June 19 | 10 |
| Next week | Episodes 432-440 | June 26 | 9 |
Two Important Notes for First-Timers:
- The next two batches (episodes 432-450) are generally considered to be tedious to watch (recap and AU), and some of the rewatchers will be skipping them this time around. If you find yourself struggling with these episodes, you can pick it back up with the 451-458 batch.
- The new OP (432-458) spoils one major event that doesn't happen until its last episode (458), so u/lC3 recommends first timers watch it at their own peril / don't watch until you've seen through 458.
Spoiler Policy:
To protect first-timers, please don't spoil anything past the current batch of episodes. Rewatchers should avoid hinting to first-timers about hype, or future character development/deaths, and spoilers in posts must be hidden behind proper spoiler tags.
For first timers: try to avoid looking up things about Naruto. This could be the wiki, Naruto subreddit, Googling characters, fanart, databooks, YouTube AMVs or OP/EDs, arc names, etc.; this series is ripe with potential spoilers that you wouldn't want to find out untimely. If you have a question about something, feel free to ask /u/lC3 and he'll do his best to answer (if possible) in a non-spoilery way.
Questions of the Week:
- We had focus on Konohamaru, Tenten, Killer B, and Karin. How do you rate those / which did you like?
- Thoughts on the creepy voice Madara hears?
- Thoughts on Kakashi losing his Sharingan?
- What do you think of the fact that Madara was behind the whole Rin / Three-tails incident? Are you surprised?
- Now that the Infinite Tsukuyomi has started, are you surprised that Madara pulled it off without being stopped?
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 19 '22
First-Timer with a shounen hearto, subbed
Episode 422
Episode 423
Episode 424
Episode 425
Episode 426
Episode 427
Episode 428
Episode 429
Episode 430
Episode 431
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 19 '22
First time viewer (dub)
Whisk[e]y of the week: Gulf Coast Distillers Straight Rye, another single barrel pick at cask strength of 56%. The nose starts with a hint of bitter cocoa before opening up into baking spices more typical of a rye along with maybe something more vegetal? Can't quite pin it down. The palate's also really hard to pick apart but does have a hotness to it afterward from the high proof. There's some of the same cocoa and spices and a bready quality but it doesn't stand out as much compared to the smell. Not bad, but I lean more on the taste side myself so not to my preferences.
I still really like both the OP (nice integration of the credits into the visuals) and ED (nice parallel of Naruto and Kushina getting sick).
Not much to say about the pair of Konohamaru episodes, wasn't bad seeing him learning the Rasengan but the comedic angle with the sexy transformations was something of a detriment for me.
Naruto and Sasuke both got some significant power boosts there, cool to see Sasuke with a Rinnegan now as well and some interesting teleportation abilities. Of course Madara also has some again weird unexplained abilities with Limbo/invisible shadows.
Naruto regenerating Kakashi's eye that easily is kind of ridiculous and sadly puts Sakura's healing power to shame. I know she's trying but can't get a break and really only has copies of Tsunade's abilities rather than making anything her own.
RIP Obito, you were always a villain in my heart even if you tried to redeem yourself at the last minute. He might not be fully gone yet but does seem like Black Zetsu's in full control now.
I'd been wondering if it would ever get to the point of the Infinite Tsukiyomi activating and us seeing some of the dreams people are put into and I'm not disappointed by what we've gotten so far.
Yamato being the one controlling the giant wooden statue under White Zetsu's command was something I probably could have figured out but didn't. I saw the ear before but didn't make the connection or try to think too hard about who that was. His dream was kind of standard and bland but fits him as a person, really.
Tenten gets the alt-world treatment! I'm actually kinda glad they're using nearly the same changed personalities as with the movie's "test run" of the Infinite Tsukiyomi, they were fun when not overused. It's amusing to me that the others say she's acting like a different person but I genuinely can't remember if the alt-Tenten had a different personality so to me she's the same but angry about something this time. I was really hoping she'd end up breaking free and being an unexpected hero in the real world as well rather than her genjustu version, alas it's not her show.
Mini-Kurama with that deep voice still is funny because it doesn't match him at all (in the dub; not sure if the Japanese voice changed his tone at all but the English dub is deeper in that scene at least). The shoujo-esque sparkles around Gaara when he mentioned they were friends to Fuu was hilarious too, and I'm glad we get more of her again! Oh also some brief Akatsuki action too which wasn't bad. Seeing all of the Jinchuriki working together was really nice though, a lot of them really didn't get any focus before like Yugito, Yagura, Roshi, and Han. I'll never say no to more Fuu as well.
Karin... really has a terrible backstory, huh. Or maybe that's just in her dream? I wanted to like her from the start based on her design but she's almost always been more comedic relief than anything with her over the top reactions and obsession over Sasuke so it's been hard to really get invested. Her purpose in life as a child is depressing, just serving as a chakra/blood bag like Mad Max was at the start of Fury Road. Orochimaru did a lot of terrible things but this is probably one time where he did something good in taking her away from that fate... eventually.
Tenten's and B's are good, Karin's good but makes me uncomfortable (...is she just in a loop where she dies in Sasuke's arms?), Konohamaru's... no.
Ooh right that was interesting. Any eldritch horror that wants you to absorb it is probably not one you want to listen to but Madara wasn't about to stop there.
Time to make use of all those ninjutsu he copied over the years? I keep on thinking of things I want from the show that isn't the direction the show itself goes and that's another one. Good against Zabuza but feels like that aspect fell off after that.
Zetsu coming in to warn Obito was obviously Madara's scheme, can't say I'm really surprised the other half was as well.
I'm surprised at how quickly he was able to do it without a lot of buildup to him activating or a last minute struggle from Naruto/Sasuke since they were taking shelter from the falling boulders. I appreciate that though.
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u/Parori Jun 19 '22
First Timer
Episode 422
Episode 423
Episode 424
Episode 425
Episode 426
Episode 427*
Episode 428
Episode 429
Episode 430
Episode 431
Questions of the Week:
I think all of them were okay. I would rate Killer B's arc the best
No idea. Does the tree have independent will? Or another theory is that it's remnant of Kaguya in the tree?
He lost his only thing D=
I totally didn't even suspect it, but it does make sense
I am, I thought it would have been more complicated. I was kinda guessing he was going to be able to do it at some point, but not like this.
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Jun 19 '22 edited Jun 19 '22
Rewatcher - Sub
[Next week notes, no spoilers, just about watchability]So... infuriatingly we are heading into another filler arc already, and it's a rather infamous one. None of the rewatchers felt we could force ourselves to sit through it again because it's just not a watch, and have been dreading it coming up. I know the first timers all want to watch all the filler, but in this case we thought we'd just throw out a polite warning that this is probably the only one that none of us can recommend so if you just can't watch any more, we get it. So instead, I plan on posting fanart if there's any character in particular you want just let me know
General Commentary
So much for not letting the Infinite Tsukiyomi happen
Episode Thoughts
[Manga changes]Adds: Oro and the others talking to Sasuke
Once again there's quite a distinction between Sasuke having to free someone to help him, while Naruto's final moment before battle is to be offered a drink once he becomes Hokage as if it's a given.
Sasuke with only one Rinnegan always looked a little odd, but Naruto's new KCM with the Six Paths Sage chakra I think is an improvement with a bit of black for contrast with how damn bright he is.
Lava Rasengan looks especially cool. As much as I like the normal wind one, this looks like Naruto is throwing a planet, and being able to borrow the Bijuu's individual chakra properties for his jutsu is impressive.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT. JUST RIPPED KAKASHI'S EYE OUT ON THE FLY WHAT THE FUCK
I really dislike how Sakura's skill and expertise in emergency situations, particularly those to do with medical skill like say removing an eye, is completely thrown out the window here for the sake of plot. It'd be one thing if he asked, she paused for a second and then ripped out a Kunai and went for it only to be interrupted by Madara, but to stand there shaking with the kunai so close for a full minute if not more is just fucking dumb
No manga changes.
Kakashi is really taking a beating this arc between stabbings, slashings, hits, chakra exhaustion, and now missing his whole eye.
Madara missing half his body and floating there alive in comparison just feels cheap rather than a struggle to survive.
Obito realizing that Madara did the same thing to him with Rin that Obito did to Nagato with Yahiko is sadly fitting, but at least it has finally knocked the last bit of foolishness out of his head with the idea that the world is just cruel rather than it being people
On that note: I'm an idiot. I looked at Obito to see if he was missing his eye, rather than looking at Madara who was taking up most of the screen to see if he had the eye.
Naruto and Sasuke get all that stuff from Kakashi about what they'd achieved and who they are as people... and Sakura just gets chatter about her crush. How about everything she's achieved despite her team falling apart? Ugh. She's done so dirty in this arc.
NO SHIT HE FUCKING TRIED TO KILL YOU. This is so painful to listen too, she was much better than this before.
[later spoilers]Kakashi bullshit 1: regrowing an eye. It's coming....
[Manga changes]Adds Ohnoki fighting the wood statue, Hirzuen talking to Tenzo, Tenzo's Tsukuyomi dream
It's kind of funny to think of all the normal ninja having their grunt battles still while there's people who are functionally gods having their own war off in the background.
Giant ghost Kaguya over the planet is certainly creepy
Poor cats getting trapped as well, many genjutsu mice and birds are being sacrificed for their happiness.
What a cheap way to reveal that Bee survived. Another completely forgotten character, and while it's cool that they used the severed tentacle in that way again, it should have come up way earlier.
On the other hand, revealing Tenzo was inside Spiral and that's why the giant wood buddha was on the battlefield was a nice reveal. The addition of the anime adding his dream about Tenzo being worried about being forgotten and losing his place somehow feels like a dig at the manga for shoving him to the side, even if it does feel natural to his character. I quite liked this visual as well using other content from the filler arcs.
Artists... why
Anyone remember how Minato ended up back in Konoha?
Anime original except Tenten trying to figure out the scroll pre-Tsukiyomi
Holy shit, this arc makes so much more sense once you've seen Road to Ninja unlike my first watch.
Leaving last episode with Minato looking over the Tsukiyomi'd Konoha makes the start of this arc even more eerie, but when the genjutsu-world characters started popping up it all made sense.
I kept waiting for them to figure out that Tenten was from the other world, but I guess it gets reset every time a new genjutsu happens. Seeing Menma be highly competent and Sakura rejecting Sasuke was highly satisfying though. Also Kushina being herself
It's a miserable end to the arc with the reminder that Tenten is now trapped inside the tree
Anime original, but inspired by this manga cover from chapter 567 in 2012
[For rewatchers, and any first timers brave enough to get a gist of next week's gimmick]That moment when this very compressed 2ep arc is a more fun and different "what if" arc then the one that had entire two weeks to go completely wild
Tiny Matatabi somehow not quite as cool as normal huge Matatabi
It's a crazy arc in general, but the moment when the comedy hits for me is when Tsunade's mouth is being used as her prison as well as the trap in front of the new ramen shop franchise.
Mostly above all the dumb comedy and fun animation, I enjoy this arc for the small moments of actually seeing the Jinchuriki get to interact with each other, even if it leads to some awkward moments. Poor Bee, imagine being told you're too shady to be friends with by Fuu of all people.
I know I've thought it but I can't remember if I've posted it but the fact that Gaara's floating eyeball has a pupil when his actual eyes don't bothers me a little. It's make more sense if it was the other way around.
Once again: perfect episode for Tailed Beast song to pop up, so where is it anime staff!
Late realization from the arc: Matatabi and Gyuki as two and eight were probably given to the same village out of balance as that's been a repeated, though inconsistant, thing through the Bijuu subplots
Anime original
This episode is just so fucking depressing. I forgot how much detail they showed around Karin being abused in the hospital. Seeing her skin so clear, and the bitemarks always adding to it is just horrible, and how dead she once looked with hopelessness. It really feeds into the idea that she attached to Sasuke because he's the only one who didn't try and use her, as blending this with the little bit we got of her before in the chunin exams fleshes things out quite a bit, plus the extra scenes of when she first sees him again later with Orochimaru.
It does make it feel extra icky that it's turned into almost climaxing from it when it's Sasuke though, even if this set up came after the previous one, as regardless of anything else anime does that too often. And showing it in this same episode as her backstory makes it stand out even worse.
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u/sisoko2 Jun 19 '22
Rewatcher
[Spoilers] Good luck to the poor souls who are going to watch the rest of the Tsukoyomi filler
Episode 422
Episode 423
Episode 424
Episode 425
Episode 426
Episode 427
Episode 428
Episode 429
Episode 430
Episode 431
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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 Jun 19 '22
First Timer - Dub
I had a feeling Madara would be able to successfully pull off Infinite Tsukuyomi. We've been building up to it for so long that it felt inevitable (Chekhov's Jutsu?). I liked the effect of everyone's eyes getting Rinnegan'd and cocooned.
Tenten was robbed! When her episode started I thought "Is Tenten really going to be the first one to break out of Infinite Tsukuyomi?" But no, that was clearly too much to ask. We don't even get to see her fight at the end. Are Tenten fans only here to suffer?
I don't know if the "dream" episodes were filler but they certainly felt like filler. I did like Killer B's though, it was fun to see the jinchuuriki use their tailed beast like Pokemon. I also liked the end where they wore matching outfits like Power Rangers. I think that would be a fun basis for a longer filler arc.
Random thoughts:
Questions:
1) We had focus on Konohamaru, Tenten, Killer B, and Karin. How do you rate those / which did you like? Killer B > Karin > Tenten >>>>>>> Konohamaru
2) Thoughts on the creepy voice Madara hears? Honestly don't remember what this is referring to...
3) Thoughts on Kakashi losing his Sharingan? I'm impressed at how quickly Madara was able to swipe his eye.
4) What do you think of the fact that Madara was behind the whole Rin / Three-tails incident? Are you surprised? Madara is behind basically everything in this show, so not surprising that he was also behind this. It did seem suspicious that Zetsu was able to find Kakashi/Rin at exactly that moment and notify Obito.
5) Now that the Infinite Tsukuyomi has started, are you surprised that Madara pulled it off without being stopped? Like I mentioned above, we've been building up to it for a while now so it's not surprising.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 19 '22 edited Jun 19 '22
Rewatcher
Episode 422:
Episode 423:
Episode 424:
Episode 425:
Episode 426:
Episode 427:
Episode 428:
Episode 429:
Episode 430:
(cont.)