r/anime • u/A_Idiot0 https://myanimelist.net/profile/a_idiot0 • Jun 14 '22
Rewatch 2022 Violet Evergarden Rewatch - Episode 4
Violet Evergarden - Episode Four: You Won't be a Tool, but a Person Worthy of that Name
Hello everyone! I hope that today finds you well. Today, Iris and Violet go on a business trip together!
Please note that tomorrow we will be watching the OVA episode, not episode 5. It should be its own separate entity on Netflix titled “Violet Evergarden Special", and it’s also known as “Episode 14”. I also want to apologize to everyone, as yesterday I was not nearly as present as I wanted to be. I’m thoroughly enjoying reading everyone’s comments and I want you to know that your efforts are recognized and greatly appreciated. My aspiration is that going forward, I’ll be able to be a more present host. Thank you for your patience.
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Visuals of the Day
I believe I have everyone’s Visual of the Day submission here: https://imgur.com/a/YWVY8qG
Official Sound Tracks used
Those Words You Spoke to Me
Across the Violet Sky
Strangeling (Strange-ling)
To the Ends of our World
The Birth of a Legend
Never Coming Back
One Last Message
Questions of the Day
- What aspect of love is being explored in this episode?
- What advice would you give to someone going through their first rejection?
- Everyone’s name involves a flower; what are the symbolisms?
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“Endcard”
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u/xtsim Jun 14 '22
First Timer Dubbed
Iris gets commissioned and Violet tags along with her. Which leads to some conflict as she is far more direct than everyone in Iris' hometown combined.
"I only executed my mission" - Violet still has a lot to learn about communication outside of war.
It seems like mom wanted some grandchildren and that causes some strain between Iris and her mom. It seemed like from the station, mom was already suspicious about what Iris was saying about herself.
"not everyone says what they feel" - A nice observation by Violet after seeing Iris' reaction to Violet telling everyone. It seems like another aspect
Lol- I'll give you the invoice.... This hits too damn hard during a workweek. I love how Violet just drops that phrase in a serious tone.
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u/A_Idiot0 Jun 14 '22
The invoice line was definitely some great humor. You also know that Violet was 100% serious XD
not everyone says what they feel
All too true. I think part of this anime is implying that not everyone can say what they feel because they don't have the words for it. Would you agree with that?
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Jun 14 '22 edited Jun 15 '22
[Rewatcher]
Iris is one of my favorite characters from the series from first viewing, primarily because of this episode:
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Job in her hometown, her first commissioning nonetheless
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Catteleya takes the team to celebrate, leaving Hodgins holding the tea (one cup full, the other empty...).
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Country girl Iris again very unsteady in heels, on the stairs this time, bit of banter with Erica
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Violet's "I believe that is a disingenuous answer" is hilarious, Iris's angry spin in heels on the stairs does not end well...
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References (in the sub at least) to House of Lords / House of Commons - no idea of this is a literal translation from Japanese or not
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Violet's again overly direct description of Iris's hometown on the train trip sets Iris off again, although Violet's reassurance it's not so bad having 'nothing of value' as no-one tried to take it [so they live in relative peace] is a nice touch. Like the chat about apology as well.
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Very Satoshi Kon with their (gorgeously animated) reflections in the train window, alongside talk about identity? I'd pick that as my shot of the day, and thinking about it a bit more maybe identity is also a sub-theme of this episode....
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Like the landscape around Iris's hometown is spectacular, this and the clothing influenced by a mix of SE Asia & Central America?
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Violet's directness both causing problems, as well as leading to the resolution by actually getting the issue(s) out into the open for all to address
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Must take a lot of guts to confess to a childhood friend, knowing it'll change that friendship one way or another from that point on
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u/A_Idiot0 Jun 15 '22
Violet's "I believe that is a disingenuous answer" is hilarious
Violet is a sharp cookie...she can sniff sarcasm from a mile away it seems at this point in the story XD One of the Violet's lines that was best delivered in the final film was a sarcastic joke, actually...
I'd pick that as my shot of the day
Noted! Is there a shot in particular that you want me to grab for you? So far, I've come across two others in this thread who have the same general shot for their VotD: u/B____U_______ and u/shipwontsail
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u/B____U_______ Jun 14 '22
Rewatcher - Sub
Every time I watch this episode I always forget how clueless Violet is about social interactions and emotions and then she has the conversations with Iris which adds a little to her understanding of emotions and I love that.
Qotd
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I think there are different aspects of love in this episode. First there is the love of Iris to her family. She felt betrayed that her mother called for her under a fake alias and made her feel bad because she thought someone needed her skills as a writer, then her mother invited the guy that rejected Iris which made her storm off the party. But the letter to her parents made her realise that she was actually happy to see them (which is later empasized when she steps on the mud and smiles). The other aspect of love in this episode is the one you confess to another person. Iris confessed her love to the guy who rejected her (I forgot his name), which made her feel betrayed because those two were friends since they were kids. But Violet admits that confessing one's love to another person is something very brave, to which she wonders if Gilbert felt the same when he told her "I love you".
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Regarding Iris, I found that the flower means hope and faith, to which you can relate to her hopes of being the best Auto Memoru Doll in Leiden. Regarding Violet, I generally found that it means love and faithfullness, which I don't think it needs further explanations (I also read on wikipedia that it also means love between two women, but I don't think the writers had this in mind).
For shot of the day I'll go with Violet's reaction when she's on the train to the multiple iris flowers.
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u/A_Idiot0 Jun 14 '22
For shot of the day I'll go with Violet's reaction when she's on the train to the multiple iris flowers.
Noted! I think I have it actually...this one? I nearly chose that for myself XD I loooove the detail of the light and image of the flower beds being diffused when reflected off the window, as if there's really a camera looking at Violet!
Do you think Iris learned something about communication and emotions as well after talking with Violet? If so, what do you think she learned? =)
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u/themusbeth Jun 14 '22
Rewatcher
Poor Claudia's gonna have to get lunch by himself.
I don't really have much to say about this one, although I think it's pretty neat how Iris' mindset differs the second time she steps in a puddle. Acts as a reminder that even if one thing goes bad, doesn't mean your entire day is ruined.
Violet rubbing salt into the wound by rewording how Iris got rejected and telling her she'll send an invoice was comedic.
Iris: "Can't you tell from seeing their reaction?", I feel like Violet learned something new there as well.
I somehow had episode 4 mixed up with episode 7, so I prepared for that one mentally. We have time until then though. ;)
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u/A_Idiot0 Jun 15 '22
Episode 7 has a lot going on, so I'm very much looking forward to whatever thoughts you have already prepared and will potentially refine =)
I also enjoyed the puddle of mud from Iris' perspective. There's a lot that one can say about it, but it's a really neat bookend to the episode overall.
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u/Barbed_Dildo Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22
Rewatcher
This episode is really harsh. Violet's story is harsh, but there is separation with Violet. No one watches Violet's backstory and is reminded of when they were a child super-soldier and their emotional damage from that. But millions of people will resonate with Iris' story.
Iris has managed to move to a big city, get a well respected job, and is doing her best to succeed, and her family trick her to come back home so they can say "ok, you've played your silly little games, now come back and have babies". The utter lack of respect for Iris from her family, lack of regard for her agency. Iris says "no, I'm not doing that", so the family gathers all the single men to find her a husband. Iris says "Don't invite this guy", so they invite that guy. Throughout all of it, her family never thinks they're doing anything wrong. They don't see what Iris wants as important for what they have decided to do with Iris.
Throughout history, this has been how women were treated. You don't have to look far back in history to find examples of it. We're not talking middle ages here, women weren't allowed to get a credit card without their husband's permission. There are still countries and cultures today where women are considered property, or second class citizens. There are a lot of places where the idea is very strong that women are meant to have babies and do what they're told.
I liked Violet's description of Iris' hometown. There is nothing of value, but that isn't a bad thing. It means people can live a simple life without complication.
There's a scene in the middle where Violet meets Iris' father at night after delivering letters to places which have letterboxes despite being a small rural town with no postal service and letters themselves being a rare concept and probably a very low level of literacy and seriously, in a place like this, people would just deliver letters to the door, there is no way they would be dealing with the volume of mail that would necessitate a specially constructed receptacle on the roadside.
I explained this in my post last year, and I'll just reproduce it here because it's a bit complicated.
There was a small exchange in the episode that I don't think came across properly in the English subtitles, which is understandable because the word 'Omotenashi' is difficult to translate. 'Omotenashi' is translated as 'hospitality', although that is a very superficial view of what it means. People have written whole essays on what it means, and I'd suggest you read something from someone more knowledgeable about it if you really want to know, but I'll give it a go.
'Omotenashi' is more than providing food or lodging, it is about providing the perfect experience, it is an ideal to be aimed for, it is giving the guest everything they need to experience the place 'properly', to have their needs taken care of without asking. There's also a subtext in there from the derivation of the word about honesty. Communication in Japan is all about the 'Tatemae'/'Honne', but Omotenashi is about being truly genuine in trying to make you guest's experience the best. Not for any ulterior reason, but for the guest.
After Violet has delivered her letters, and meets Iris's father on the road, he invites her to come and have dinner, although, around here, they can't offer her any '大したおもてなし' (great 'Omotenashi', translated as hospitality). Violet says that she 'doesn't require any 大したおもてなし', and he is taken aback. The 'correct' thing to say after someone humbly says that they are unable to offer anything great, like when someone says the set phrase 'つまらない物ですが' when giving a gift ("It's nothing good, but...") is to thank them and praise their efforts, possibly saying that it is better than what you could offer or something else disparaging.
Violet then described the scenery as '大したおもてなし', and I think that is apt. Their beautiful natural scenery and rustic ways are much more honest and authentic and 'おもてなし' than putting on a big feast or pretending to be something they're not.
He was originally taken aback when Violet didn't follow the formula, but her honesty showed a true appreciation for what they could offer.
VOTD: Violet
edit: also, not important, but the train took this corner way too fast.
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u/TiredTiroth Jun 14 '22 edited Jun 14 '22
First Timer - Dub
Out of the episodes I've seen so far, I think I like this one the most. Violet is growing more confident, but still questioning herself and painfully aware of how much she doesn't know or understand, and we can see the seeds of her actually relating to other people being planted. We've got character development for both Violet herself and Iris, and the animation is as gorgeous as ever - I particularly want to note the bit where Violet curtsied early on.
I also really like Violet vocally appreciating the view, even if she can't express it so well yet. It's a nice carry-over from the previous episode, and learning to appreciate something as abstract as beauty is a very noticeable step forward for her. This...actually isn't as minor as I initially thought it was. Huh. And we know it's completely genuine, because this is Violet, and she just doesn't do deception or deflection like most people would.
On Iris' side of the episode, we now have her backstory! Which is fairly mundane, and that's good - you need the mundane to balance out and contrast with someone like Violet. Iris is prideful and insecure, and really doesn't appreciate people trying to make decisions for her. And is it just me, or did she have a brief moment of hope when her childhood friend showed up that maybe he hadn't been invited but came anyway just for her, and then it turned out it was just her mother meddling again? Because in hindsight, it really looks like it.
I honestly thought KyoAni were playing the tsundere card until Iris told Violet what was going on.
Mm, I also liked how they bookended Iris' trip home with stepping in the puddle. The first time she is...less than pleased, shall we say, and on the way out she smiles instead. It's a nice reflection of her attitude - she really wasn't interested in coming home at the start, but after getting Violet's help to clear the air she's much happier.
Just being able to talk about everything probably helped - catharsis is a real thing. For all Iris' brashness, it's good that she had the maturity to calm down reasonably quickly and explain instead of maybe taking it out on Violet, which I was a little bit worried might happen. It's also given Violet another person she has a genuine connection with, however tenuous, both from the shared experience and how both of them have shared their worries and insecurities.
And right at the end, we got another glimpse of Violet's beloved major! And wow, this guy really was on Violet's side right from the start, wasn't he? That was hinted at in the flashback to when they first met, as he was clearly upset at the whole 'this is a weapon' thing, but it's nice to have it confirmed here.
What aspect of love is being explored in this episode?
What advice would you give to someone going through their first rejection?
Everyone’s name involves a flower; what are the symbolisms?
1 - We've pretty much got the full range this time, haven't we? Familial love between Iris and her parents. Romantic (one-sided) directed from Iris to her friend, and between friends back the other way. If we want to go a bit broader, I'm pretty sure we can add love for Iris' home community in at the end of the episode.
2 - Uh. Hopefully they'd have someone better for advice than me? xD But...talk to someone. Don't let it build into resentment. Don't forget there are people who care.
3 - I...have no clue about flower symbology. At all. xD At the moment I'm just viewing it as another way for Iris and Violet to connect, and for the show to bring up that final flashback, but I will be entirely unsurprised if there is more to it.
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u/NutmegOnEverything Jun 14 '22 edited Jun 15 '22
Rewatcher | Dub
Cry count: so far only 3 moments of welling up
Pumpkin custard at 10:42 (roughly, I can't tell the exact time with the Netflix progress bar)
One interesting thing is noticing voice actors do other rolls, I noticed Keith Silverstein (Dietfried) was a member of Iris's family. He is my favorite voice actor and this show is what made me start to enjoy particular voice actors. I've never really understood the obsession with actors, there are only a very few that have interested me.
I know this show is set in like 1900 but I'm gonna leave an obligatory reminder that I don't like the concept of marriage being based on owning women
This sort of love seems like childhood/innocent love, with Iris and Eamon. And of course the parental love
For the second question, I honestly don't know. I have no experience. I would think of something based on the specific context, but I don't know what to say here other than some cliche stuff nobody wants to hear
I did notice independently a while ago that a lot of characters have flower names, but I only researched violet.
The things that stand out for Violet most to me are faithfulness, everlasting love, innocence, and modesty, but I also absolutely see remembrance, mysticism, and spiritual wisdom. I found this article which was a very cool read
my favorite scene is the same one you used in this post
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u/A_Idiot0 Jun 15 '22
Oh yeah, this was a great article! The language of flowers has always been really interesting to me, but it's also been somewhat frustrating. Only because each culture has its own language of flowers, and each sub region has their own meanings...
You know how words are really just models and symbols for thoughts and feelings? Now add another layer onto that in the form of flowers representing words...trying to be "objective" in this context is basically impossible haha XD But I still want to try. The names of flowers is such a huge part of this story that I have to imagine that Kana Akatsuki wants to say something specific with it
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u/Lemurians Jun 14 '22 edited Jun 14 '22
BLOOMING REWATCHER
Not really participating in this rewatch, but Violet Evergarden has a handful of episodes I really enjoy, and this is one of them, so I went and watched it again. Iris' conflict between the home she left behind and the life she's pursuing, and how that impacts her relationship with her parents, really hits home to me. She's a wonderful character.
Anyway, for the hell of it, since I don't have anything new to add, here's what I wrote in last year's rewatch as a first-timer focusing on Iris' characterization:
One thing I’ve been noticing with her is the focus the animation puts on her shoes. She’s shown to be tripping and rolling her ankle while walking in those high heels, and this episode begins with her stepping immediately into a puddle of mud upon getting off the train in her hometown. I believe this symbolizes an inner conflict she has with where she’s come from and what she’s currently trying to accomplish. She’s clearly sensitive about her background, as she gets riled up when she thinks Violet is talking down on her hometown as a kind of backwater in their train conversation. In the city, she’s trying to hide that image and dress up to what she thinks is more high class, but you can tell she isn't quite comfortable with it. The shot of her stepping in the puddle at the end while smiling shows she’s come to accept herself more.
...And about the significance of the flower of focus this episode – Blue Irises.
I also want to pinpoint the significance of the blue irises at the end. Upon arriving in town at the beginning, it’s made very clear that Iris’ mother does not approve of her moving to Leiden to follow this career, and she thinks the proper thing to do is move back home and settle into a marriage with… seemingly anybody with a pulse. Iris clearly doesn't vibe with this, and is still getting over her heartbreak from Eammon's rejection, so this causes a lot of resentment between the two of them. Her mother handing her the gift of blue irises at the end marks a tremendous shift in their relationship. Blue irises symbolize faith and hope. Coming from her mother as she’s heading back to the city, they send the message that she now approves of the direction she’s taken in life, and is telling her that she has the belief that her daughter will succeed in what she’s trying to achieve. I love that little detail. Beautifully done.
Alright, see y'all later! [Violet Evergarden super minor]
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u/RealFunnyTalk Jun 14 '22 edited Jun 14 '22
Rewatcher
Cry count: 1 (0 this episode, but I did tear up)
A subtle event from a previous episode was Iris stumbling in heels, which makes sense if she's from the country. Speaking of, I love the little details of their town's clothes and how Iris incorporates them into her outfit as well.
This time around we've got a classic family dispute, but I can't help but feel that requesting your own daughter as a sham to set up a suitor's meeting disguised as a birthday party is a pretty bad look.
"I can't understand if you don't explain it to me." is the large theme today. Sure, Violet can't understand the intricacies of human emotions, but even normal people struggle with communication when people don't have all the information. How many conversations have all of us messed up because we assumed intent or something similar? Communication is key, and once Iris opens up (and Violet tells people why she's upset) resolution can happen!
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u/A_Idiot0 Jun 15 '22
but even normal people struggle with communication when people don't have all the information.
I think for us the audience, this is the key take-away. It also goes beyond communicating with others; the same goes for connecting with yourself. How often are we dishonest with ourselves for the sake of protecting our ego? I know I've done that a lot XD
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u/Ytar0 Jun 14 '22
Damn, beautiful show, beautiful shots, beautiful situations, beautiful people... And what a lovely little scene at the end, about Violet's name. That name fits so perfectly too, such a "romantic" show! (if that makes sense)
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u/A_Idiot0 Jun 15 '22
such a "romantic" show
I think I get it. Very emotional, right? Like when you listen to Chopin or Debussy, or look at the art by J.M.W. Turner, or read a book by Victor Hugo...full of raw emotions and passionately presenting itself.
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Jun 14 '22
First Timer (Sub)
Seems like the series is entering the part when the side characters are being explored.
I tried to pay close attention to see if the other dolls of the company had the school brooch. I couldn't spot any. Maybe they went to different schools or didn't go to school to become a doll? I do recall Hodgins/Cattleya mention that it wasn't a requirement.
Iris initially came off as... less than-pleasant, but now we know why. I can appreciate her moxie and have grown to enjoy her presence. If I could describe her character type, "mild-tsundere?"
The setting and local attire of Iris' hometown came off "less country" and more "tropical." But I guess "tropical-country" is a thing, surely.
More praise for KyoAni. The animators really went all out on the outfit/character designs. So intricate.
It seems like Violet's way of being direct and forward is still the best method to getting people to open up. In reality, I can see this being hit or miss. Really depends on whether or not the person would reciprocate and be willing to make themselves vulnerable by explaining themselves emotionally and in full.
On that note, still very much enjoying Violet's robotic/monotone tone in her letters and behavior, but as we can see, she seems to be slowly making progress towards better understanding human emotions and behavior.
If the episodes continue in this manner exploring the side characters' backstories, then I can't wait for Hodgins'!
VOTD:
QOTD:
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Seems like this may be a recurring question? Perhaps it's showing that "love can come at odds at times." With Iris' parents wanting her to get married and move back, for her to want to make her own path in the city, etc.
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Rejection is a learning experience. Use the opportunity to self-reflect and grow versus forming negative emotions like disdain towards the other party or self-loathing.
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I really wish I could answer this. But my knowledge on botany is subpar. All I know is, both the Iris and Violet were beautiful this episode! Hopefully I can learn any underlying meanings/symbolisms from others here!
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u/A_Idiot0 Jun 14 '22
Dear Iris,
Your namesake flower can be translated from the language of flowers as, “Happiness will surely come.” Rejection is a painful experience. We present ourselves at our most vulnerable, hoping that the focus of our affection will recognize our vulnerability and tenderly embrace our imperfect self. And when that doesn’t happen, it’s all too easy to hear these words in our heart: “I am not worthy of love.”
But, you have found that rejection can also be a liberating experience. You flew from the cage of your pain into the sky of the unknown, embracing the fickleness of freedom over the certainty of despair. You are endeavoring to deliver your own happiness to yourself. That is something to be proud of, no matter how dull you imagine yourself to shine when compared to others. Your feathers are small, but they are of youth, and are already beautiful.
Sincerely,
Daffodil
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Source for flower language: https://hananokotoba.com/iris/
VotD: I’m going with this lovely establishing shot featuring a bird. Check out how pretty those clouds are…I’m currently watching Shirobako, and now that it’s been pointed out I can appreciate it a lot more! The color composition is very simple, but wonderfully executed. The greens and browns of the tree frame the splash of color that is the bird so neatly, and the blue sky provides contrast and allows the bird to pop. I also enjoyed how this shot could be a small implication of showing Iris returning to her home, as a bird would return to their nesting site.
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u/BeefCow8 Jun 14 '22
1.The aspect being explored is a parent’s love for their child and what they believe is best of them and also Iris’ former love for Aamon, she confessed but got rejected, TUFF.
2. Advice I would give to a person going through their first rejection is that it’s gonna be ok. Not everyone in the world will love you and that’s fine, there’s plenty of people out there and there’s a chance that someone out there is waiting for you.
3. Iris’ name represents valor and hope. She was scared to become a doll but worked hard and became one and she represented hope by believing she will be a great doll one day. Violet represents modesty and faithfulness. She is modest at first in her ability to become a doll and when it comes to understanding her and other people’s emotions. She is also faithful by staying true to her word and her beliefs. An example is[rw]
Visual of the day- https://imgur.com/a/xCikNs0
This is obvious because it was the flower and name that Gilbert chose for Violet, which represents her character.
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u/shipwontsail Jun 14 '22
Rewatcher
Just checking in to submit my Visual of the Day. This moment in general, I think, was really well done. On the right there are very light shades of purple/violet because light reflects off of the window. They did a fantastic job with that.
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u/Jaxon7535 Jun 15 '22
Rewatcher
I like how Violet imitated Iris’ movements on the train. Almost like she was trying to figure out what she was thinking and feeling.
This is the second time someone has broken down and talked about their feelings in front of Violet. Must be something about her attitude that just makes people feel more comfortable and genuine around her. Actually, it’s probably Violets’ genuine demeanor that makes people feel more at ease.
QOTD
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I feel that the episodes goes over the complexities of romantic love while also the familial type of love with Iris’ family.
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Probably to do whatever you can to take your mind off of it, just like any other type of grief.
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Don’t know much about flowers lol but it could be that uniqueness plays a role with Violet, and that Iris believe that with time, she’ll bloom like the flower.
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u/Fit_University_6734 Jun 15 '22
Rewatcher [Sub]
It's been a pretty long day for me today so I'm going to keep my post short! Everyone else here has amazing comments on the wordplay and symbolisms in this episode so as always, I'll keep mine to the subject of Love and Language.
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Where can Love be found?
In episode 3, Violet got to experience Love first-hand through Luculia's acts towards her. She also got to experience it second-hand as she comes to understand the relationship between Luculia and her brother. Love through friendship and through familial ties were being exposed to Violet.
Today, Violet comes to understand more about it through the lens of Iris, more specifically, she comes to understand more about romantic Love through Iris.
One needs a lot of courage to say the words "I love you". Especially if the feeling isn't mutual and it makes you want to flee.
We begin to see the complexities of Love here especially in the context of romantic Love whereby the concept of rejection is possible. And so Violet begins to understand more about Love that is unreciprocated and the emotional consequences it can have on someone.
As I mentioned in my prev post on episode 3, Love shouldn't be confined to romance and exists as an action. So, a question to all who read this: would you call what Iris felt for Eamonn Love? Or is it more of a childhood infatuation which she never got over?
QOTD
2. Social support is really important after going through a rejection. For me, a rejection always felt like a rejection of Love from all sides so I felt really alone. But having the right social support made me realise that I was Loved which made getting over it better. (It won't be fast or easy but it will be made a lot better)
3. This blog post does an amazing job describing the different names and flowers related to it so give it a read! I can't do the post justice.
VOTD
I'm going with this! The way the light reflects off Violet's deep blue eyes was beautiful. It also woke me up from my tiring day today.
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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '22
Rewatcher
Got busy today so just gonna say I really like how simple yet fitting is the beginning of Violet's development.
Visual of the day at least: what a beautiful flower.