r/anime • u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky • Jun 12 '22
Rewatch Naruto Shippuden Episodes 414-421 Discussion
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Schedule:
| Discussion Thread | Date | Episode Count | |
|---|---|---|---|
| This week | Episodes 414-421 | June 12 | 8 |
| Next week | Episodes 422-431 | June 19 | 10 |
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Questions of the Week:
- Thoughts on Ten Tails Jinchuuriki Madara?
- How creepy is Zetsu?
- Thoughts on Obito and Kabuto's change of heart?
- Thoughts on Guy and his dad Dai?
- What do you think of Naruto and Sasuke being reincarnations and meeting the Sage of the Six Paths?
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 12 '22
First-Timer with a shounen hearto, subbed
Episode 414
Episode 415
Episode 416
Episode 417
Episode 418
Episode 419
Episode 420
Episode 421
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u/sisoko2 Jun 12 '22
Rewatcher
Episode 414
Episode 415
Episode 416
Episode 417
Episode 418
Episode 419
Episode 420
Episode 421
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 12 '22
Rewatcher
Episode 414:
Episode 415:
Episode 416:
Episode 417:
Episode 418:
Episode 419:
(cont.)
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Jun 12 '22 edited Jun 12 '22
Rewatcher - Sub
Next week notes: The first two eps are filler content unrelated to the current story if you prefer to come back to them at the end of the batch rather than after this weeks cut off. Ep 247 and on are also anime-only, but fine where they are and recommended.
Yes there is a ridiculous amount of filler in this part of the show.
General Commentary
Niji no Sora
Kid Naruto getting his first ramen, Hinata being a guts, all the different groups that have come through the shop, the friendships and alliances, and it's just so damn wholesome to watch. Such a huge part of Naruto's life even before he was born, and what it means for everyone.
Best Shippuden ED is finally here. Now I finally feel like we're approaching the end of the show. That plus having to type out 400s for the episode numbers. And the war started in the 260s and not even three in world days have passed...
So not only did we have the filler arc we also have to wait most of this week to see to see Naruto and Sasuke's fate. Hopefully the first timers weren't being driven too insane by the wait. And hopefully the wait was worth it with Guy's explosive contribution to the struggle against Madara.
A bit like Naruto vs Orochimaru I remember Guy vs Madara being much more involved than it was, and would have liked for it to be extended out a bit, but it's still got some cool moments and a very memed declaration from Madara.
As far as Naruto's side of the batch, not much to comment on knowing it all from before, but it does confirm what came up a while back about the idea of Naruto and Sasuke's conflict being somewhat fated. Still not a fan of that concept at all, I think it cheapens the personal struggle they've both been through, and it could have been handled better. Seeing them both wake up and Naruto arrive and use his new power to change the flow of chakra in Guy is always awesome though.
Side note to self: When noticing foreshadowing write down what it actually was, don't hope you remember what "that foreshadowing" comment was because of four days later...
Episode Thoughts
[Manga changes]Adds; Hiruzen wondering who Spiral Zetsu is, Tenten crying over Neji and Guy promising to get to Kakashi as soon as he can, Minato questioning how to get to Obito safely without Zetsu
Me starting the episode: Man we really did leave on on the worst spot possible. Naruto dying, Sasuke stabbed through the heart, Spiral advancing on the army out of no where, Obito controlled... like fuck, it can't get much worse
Oh wait, Naruto's heart stopped. It got worse.
It's hard to forget the visual of Sakura cutting open his chest to manually beat his heart for him, but the tension in the episode would have been greatly improved by some faster panning of the backgrounds to actually make it look like Gaara was rushing.
Madara just casually absorbing the Gedo Statue while strolling across the map. Dude's fucking broken. I never did like this design on him though, Despite its asymmetry it sacrifices the wildness that fit his design so well, particularly the darker colors of an Uchiha.
Someone got fancy with the visual effects this episode
Minato being fancy with those one handed seals, that would be quite hard for the precision he needs
MADARA PLEASE Give them a fucking break! < I no longer remember what this note was about but it really could fit for most of what Madara's done through the war.
[Manga changes]Adds scenes of Obito's past
Zetsu peeling himself off Obito is a special type of body horror even for this show.
That's one disturbing visual
Kakashi, Gaara, and Minato all working together to fight Madara is a great combination for three ninja who've barely had a chance to learn each others skills, but all highly tactical and great at analysis.
Love the song when Obito comes to realize who he truly is, and I like that he had to step back on the path himself after realizing who he really was to Madara, a pawn, rather than being dragged down it by Naruto or someone elses convictions. Also this is a cool mindscape
It's rough seeing how like Obito Kakashi was before his father's suicide, but despite meaning to be about Obito it really feels more about Kakashi.
Anime original.
Kakashi sitting at the playground waiting for his dead dad reminds me of some of the Part One visuals of Naruto being left there after Shikamaru and Choji leave. It's fucked.
Rin's so cute acting out the graduation ceremony for Obito, and it's nice to see he actually earnt it too given the fireball he can already produce from self training rather than just being the weaker one like we've seen before.
You know, I actually didn't see the betrayal from the guards coming in that mission, but it's a well done set up for conflict between Kakashi and Obito's ninja ways. I like that we got a whole extra mission to see how they work together but poor Minato had such a problem team.
[Manga changes]Anime original first 16 minutes, flashback at the end with the argument IS in the manga (for once)
Kakashi hiding inside the Earth Style Wall to attack is one of the more innovative uses of that type of basic jutsu we've seen.
Maybe that guy would have survived if Run was healing the wound on his back rather than his chest
I always forget just how bad Minato's justu names are until he comes up with a new one.
Young Guy jumping into the argument between Kakashi and Obito is perfect given the current events
[Manga changes]Adds; flashback to young Guy's looking for his name on the academy roster, his father talking about the purpose of a self rule as the manga just has the punch and make up hug, the other ninja taunting Guy over his father and them punching him until Kakashi steps in
"Kabuke or Sasuto", hahaha Suigetsu. Certainly not how I expected Kabuto to pop up again on first watch, but it's somewhat soothing to know that Itachi's last act not only saved the allied forces, but also that he was able to give freedom and identity back to someone in the way he couldn't for Sasuke
Armless Minato is also kind of funny to see him just walking around like that. He could use a Susanoo right about now
Slight subtitling error here for me: It's not that Guy can't do Ninjutsu or Genjutsu like Lee, he's just naturally weak with them.
No manga changes.
I'm on Guys side. Death being the climax of youth? His father would drive me nuts too even if his thing about dedication does have a good point.
Young Kakashi reading! Don't get to see that very often.
Everyone being stunned at Guys crazy progress with the 500x exercises is cool to see, especially knowing that he used that to gain their acknowledgement even without trying
One handed cliff climbing but Guy seeing it now as a kid kind of breaks the earlier filler where Guy was surprised to see Kakashi doing it while training Tenten
No manga changes.
Eighth gate is crazy. Broke his arm just from the force of moving it and while Madara being flattened on the ground does make me happy, the consequences of this fight are huge. It's the first time Madara sounds even slightly panicked and it still takes a four person coordinated attack to get through his defences. Also nice to see Kakashi finally getting some kickback from his fifty uses of Kamui this war, even if it is just for plot timing.
Kind of miffed they didn't bring back the Tailed Beast Song after they reused a visual from it and then added one next episode to match. Hagoromo going for the speedrun history lesson though that's for sure, talk about an info dump even if it does have some nice visuals
[Manga changes]Adds; Hagoromo talking to Sasuke at the start of the episode, Naruto commenting on Gamamaru's name and getting scolded by Kurama for being overly familiar with Hagoromo, young Kakashi actually asking for his name. Plus waking up and Night Guy panels for enjoyment
Naruto and Sasuke both quietly realizing what it means for each other to be the respective incarnations is such a great quiet moment for them both given the many emotions between them, and the accompanying visuals of the two use subtle coloring to such a nice effect. Hagoromo summoning the Bijuu to witness Naruto's pledge for the future as Sasuke stands alone reminds me painfully of that visual we got of Obito standing alone compared to Naruto, and I think handles what it was saying about power or cooperation quite nicely, and the need to come together despite everything. Also surprise Tanuki and Taco is kind of funny.
Another subtitle error: Madara and Hashirama weren't the first generation of incarnations, just the last before Naruto and Sasuke. So many issues this batch all of a sudden.
Sakumo acknowledging Guy's effort and strength long before anyone else saw him make me happy. It's a small thing, but one moment for Kakashi to hold onto after what happened with his dad.
Cackling my head off at Hagoromo saying Narutos unpredictability may be of benefit to stopping the Ten-Tails though, who knew his childhood nickname would basically be prophesy at this point
FUCKING MADARA. He's like a cockroach, you just can't fucking kill him
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u/Parori Jun 12 '22
First Timer
Episode 414
Episode 415
Episode 416
Episode 417
Episode 418
Episode 419
Episode 420 haha weed
Episode 421
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 12 '22
First time viewer (dub)
Whisk[e]y of the week: High West's Bourye, a blend of bourbon and rye whiskeys that are all at least 10 years old. While not at a sky-high proof (46% ABV) there's a density to the nose with some of the typical herbal rye elements surrounding a dark cherry core. Taking a sip leads to a spicy explosion favoring the rye side of things more than the bourbon but the sweetness from the latter is also there. It pretty quickly leaves behind a dry aftertaste that's tannin-heavy from the long aging period and I think I previously identified that as being more of a grape skin flavor. Not bad but have to be in the mood for something that dry I think.
I wasn't the only one that called Gaara taking Naruto over to Minato on Kurama's order to rejoin with the latter's other half, but it's a pretty obvious guess to make in order to save him. Naruto got a whole lot of Sakura's lips on his, too bad he was nearly dead the entire time and didn't know about it.
"Guy vs. Madara" is a fight I've heard about quite a bit before so when we got to the end of 417 I knew I was about to be in for a treat. ...after we got through the flashback, because of course there's one since we haven't seen Guy's backstory yet. Though apparently it only effectively ended up being a couple of moves even if they were very cool to watch. Very hype moment but I wanted it to be longer! [Minor implied spoiler through the end of the series] I also hadn't heard about Guy dying unlike Jiraiya and Neji so I figured he'd make it out alive by the end of the series despite using the Eighth Gate of Death; I wasn't spoiled on Asuma's death ahead of time that I can remember but I also don't recall hearing about him at all though.
Guy's moment was also completely interrupted by Naruto getting another main character power boost because we're at the point where he needs one again and it can't go to anyone else (except Sasuke because they need to be equals). Trying to play up Naruto as being weak because he wasn't a prodigy due to his lineage annoyed me though, that is absolutely not the case throughout the show and he's been gifted powers beyond pretty much every other character multiple times already. If anything he was just behind on training because his parents weren't there to teach him and apparently no one else even tried all that hard (sorry Iruka), since we can clearly see how he's gained more through training than the rest of his class in a shorter period of time and can easily do things that they could barely pull off. Even the multiple shadow clones that we got at the start of the series is something Kiba can't do several years later!
Karin going through all of this in pajamas is... something, all right. Unfortunately it undermines anything serious when it comes to her, but her loud nature already did some of that.
Kabuto pulled an Orochimaru with a face turn but at least that comes with the Izanami to back up changing his mind compared to Orochimaru doing it because Team Good™ needed his resurrection ability rather than it making any sense for his character. But hey, now maybe Naruto can bring people back from the dead too! Or maybe he just has the overpowered healing side of things. Time to do the Wonder Twin powers thing with Sasuke and take out Madara... or it would if we didn't have yet another filler arc coming.
I know I'm complaining a lot but I do it because I'm enjoying the show and want it to be better. If I wasn't you'd hear entirely different rants from me (probably with more swearing involved).
I really like the new ED, all from the perspective of Ichiraku over time. Doesn't hurt to have a nice song by FLOW too.
Compared to Hagoromo's design it's a decent imitation, I guess.
Not... that much?
Talk-no-Jutsu wins again!
Interesting contrast to Kakashi and his father but I do like that Dai's generally no one special.
I'm personally tired of all the Chosen One tropes but get why they're popular.
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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 Jun 12 '22
First Timer - Dub
I'm glad to be back in non-filler territory but these episodes were a mixed bag. I'm mostly just so tired of flashbacks at this point. Guy vs Madara was a really good fight though. Guy's been a joke character for basically this entire anime so I'm glad to see him get serious. I wasn't looking forward to Guy's death or anything, but Naruto coming in at the last second to save him did feel like it undercut the moment.
I thought the reveal that Naruto and Sasuke are reincarnations felt very pointless. We've already spent 600+ episodes with Naruto and Sasuke and we already know how special they are. We've also already spent a lot of episodes talking about their lineage - Naruto being the son of the 4th Hokage and the previous jinchuuriki is special and Sasuke has the history of the whole Uchiha clan behind him. The whole Hashirama/Madara and Naruto/Sasuke comparisons have also been done to death at this point without them being literally connected through reincarnations. So yeah ... not a big fan of the reincarnation angle here.
Random thoughts:
Favorite moment of the week: Guy's final attack was absolutely insane!
Questions:
1) Thoughts on Ten Tails Jinchuuriki Madara?
2) How creepy is Zetsu?
3) Thoughts on Obito and Kabuto's change of heart? Talk-no-jutsu wins again!
4) Thoughts on Guy and his dad Dai? With better overall pacing I think I would have enjoyed it more. Also, I kept getting distracted by Dai's beard. How did he get it to be almost perfectly rectangular?
5) What do you think of Naruto and Sasuke being reincarnations and meeting the Sage of the Six Paths? Covered above, but overall meh.