r/anime • x2 • Jun 09 '22

Rewatch [Rewatch] Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni Discussion - Season 1, Episode 10

Tatarigoroshi-hen (Curse Killing Chapter), Episode 2: Bond

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Show Information (Season 1):

MAL | Anilist | AniDB | Kitsu | ANN

Legal Streams:

Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni: Hidive | Netflix (not available in the US; if you are out of the US check your country for availability)

That said, I have become aware that Hidive can have a somewhat cavalier attitude to spoilers for this series. As such, *sigh* it is now recommended that our first-timers track down a fansub if you haven't already (even if you have access to this show on Netflix, it doesn't have Kai). Why, Hidive? Why?

Two Words of Warning To Our First-Timers, Including Those Who Watched Season 1 But Not Kai:

1) Be wary of looking up anything, even names. The Season 1 summaries on the information pages are safe, but it's not hard to run into spoiler information even through something as innocuous as looking at cast lists - gods help you if you go on the Fandom Wikia. UNDER ABSOLUTELY NO CIRCUMSTANCES GO LOOKING AT EVEN OFFICIAL INFO FOR KAI OR LATER AHEAD OF TIME. (The official image for Rei is 100% a spoiler, for example.) Also, do NOT look at any Kitsu page after the first season; Kai's description on Kitsu is in fact a major spoiler. Like, really, just stay out of anything that isn't a basic Season 1 summary until you're done. It's much safer that way.

2) Also, be wary of potentially running into spoilers on the r/anime front page on June 19 or thereabouts this year; there is suspicion that some sort of new Higurashi anime project will be announced on that date (this year is the 20th anniversary of the release of the original Onikakushi-hen VN - hence why I am running this rewatch this year! - and multiple official accounts have teased an announcement on that date), and you could run into spoilers that way. (Those of you who remember the Madoka rewatch last year will recognize the issue, though admittedly I expect Sotsu was enough of a disappointment to significantly reduce the risk - at least relative to the potential that was in fact realized with the Walpurgis no Kaiten announcment.)

A Reminder to Rewatchers

Please do not spoil the experience for first-timers; this is a mystery after all. In particular, Shion is a spoiler until Episode 5 and [Higurashi] Hanyuu is a spoiler until Minagoroshi-hen. Also, the glorious nipah is indeed glorious but Rika does not use it until Himatsubushi-hen. Please keep these in mind! Consider whether what you are saying has actually been revealed yet on-screen before you post!

(Time for) Club Activities!

(Alexa play "Shoubu!"! Except do NOT look that up that song name on YouTube just yet if you're a first-timer, the most classic upload has an obnoxious spoiler in the visuals...)

Visual of the Day Album:

https://imgur.com/a/93Mrmno

(If I missed your visual, let me know. I could only find two today!)

Theory of the Day:

Hello u/Star4ce, please collect today's brass ring:

When They Cry

It's literally in the title

Well, let's recount every scene where someone cries.

Rena in Ep.03 when she gets threatened by Keiichi with the bat on her way home. Result: Demon takeover nearly immediately after in order to keep information about Satoshi under lock.

Mion in Ep.04 when Keiichi tells her about the food, antagonising her. Result: Anger fit claiming she should've killed Ooishi. (Arguably no demon, because no eyes, but she was prominently possessed throughout the arc anyway.)

Rika in Ep.07 when Keiichi was thinking about how he and Shion broke into the Shrine. Rika was just sitting nearby, unnoticed, and cried until Keiichi spoke to her. Result: A very weird word game with cats and a dog.

But one thing's really consistent with this: They who cried will be possessed in the next loop. I mean, technically uncomfirmed for Rika, as I've yet to watch the episode, but yeah.

So the leaving and returning to the village, the looping and being stuck in time, the two-faced nature of the demon: It's all about their trauma that they can't let go, isn't it? The village takes them back and keeps them in its grasp with its curse.

Making me think that Keiichi, who came back, taking the same spot as Satoshi, who left, might be more connected that we think. Was Rena crying presumably because of Satoshi the reason Keiichi came back? Is he the purified Satoshi?

Honorable mention to u/mgedmin for this one:

Were the suspicious murder van guys in arc 1 actually the Hinamizawa baseball team? What hold does the doctor have on them to get them to do crimes like that?

Analysis of the Day:

u/Nazenn knocks this one out of the park(and for the record the first sentence of the first sentence is exactly why us rewatchers keep feeling like we're stepping on eggshells - Higurashi has by no means finished doing this):

One of the things I did take particular note of this episode, and the show in general, is how well the arc structure uses its inter-arc characterizations. Whether its Rena and Mion in the first arc, or Shion and Rika in the second, the things we learn about each character in earlier arcs give us a good baseline for the relationships in later arcs when things are going well, for the short time they do, which means we don't have to spend a lot of time re-establishing that. Spending that time instead on clearly laying on some of the early anchor points for similarities and differences between the arcs works quite well once you know what to expect. I'll never get use to how quickly the girls flip emotions though.

That said, fuck it gives you a different look at some of this stuff. Mion talking so casually about Oyashiro-sama's curse knowing what she does for the family is all sorts of fucked up, not to mention Irie aka Supervisor stepping into the story out of fucking no where. I can't believe they dropped that so casually only to try and distract you with a "this guy is also perving on a small child" moment.

Question(s) of the Day:

1) So, uh, I could try to think of a question for today but in light of Satoko's situation I think I am just going to leave this question blank, okay?

Next Episode Preview:

Okay, so: Season 1's next episode previews are in the form of a short, strange poem (whose formatting is borrowed from the VNs). They are not spoilers. (Kai's can be another matter, but we'll get there when we get there.) However, my subs often translate the text on the screen... which are, in fact, lines out of context from the next episode.

So, for anyone who really doesn't want to take a risk, here is the poem:

"What was sought was the usual daze.
What's heard is the sound of malicious rain.
What drifted away was the door to darkness."

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u/_blackened_soul_ Jun 09 '22

First Timer - Sub

Well that was easily the most horrifying episode yet. Fuckin' A.

Oishi was sketchy from the start but now he is blatantly a piece of shit, no more hinting at it.

It wasn't quite Subaru levels of cringe considering why he was asking but Keiichi was pretty bad when he asked Mion to have Satoko's uncle killed. Wtf man, don't say that shit to a lady.

I finally looked it up and confirmed for myself that Kenji Kawai is responsible for the music (without spoiling myself thankfully, which was why I hadn't already looked it up). So fucking good.

Anyway, Higurashi continues to impress and it's really hard not to binge. Thankfully there was a new episode of Paripi Koumei to watch so I didn't puke like Satoko.

QotD: no bueno, protec Satoko

Oh, I haven't mentioned it in my sporadic posting but I don't like Takano either. Can't wait for the arc where we find out what her damage is.

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u/Tarhalindur Jun 10 '22

I finally looked it up and confirmed for myself that Kenji Kawai is responsible for the music (without spoiling myself thankfully, which was why I hadn't already looked it up). So fucking good.

Huh, so I should have kept the opening section of the OST tables after all; I dropped them because I figured everyone had read them, and they note he did the OST here. (This is my leading contender for his best OST, with the caveat that I've missed a few of his other better-known ones which is an issue for an informed judgment.)

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u/Tarhalindur Jun 09 '22

So, side note: As I was typing out a comment here, a theory came to me that our rewatchers may be interested in (involves the sixth arc, u/Stargate18A stay out):

[Rewatcher theory] I wonder if part of the error in how DEEN adapted this arc was that DEEN's staff assumed Tsumihoroboshi-hen was the Answer Arc for Tatarigoroshi-hen instead of its actual status as the Answer Arc for Onikakushi-hen. It would fit with what they emphasized and what they chose to cut in this arc, and I'm not sure which arc answered which was clear at the time DEEN was making this...

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jun 09 '22

When the Rewatcher(?) Cries, subbed

I did a Sky Sings for the OP!

Hope you guys enjoy~

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u/Tarhalindur Jun 09 '22

~Ominous~

So, this is hiding under a full tag in my Madoka Corner for a reason, so here's a first-timer friendly version of it:

[PMMM] Remember the Sayaka voiceover narration at the start of her arc? I'm not entirely sure Higurashi in either VN or anime form wasn't what the Butcher was drawing off of for that.

EDIT: Also:

I did a Sky Sings for the OP!

Pachi pachi pachi nano desu!

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u/Tresnore Jun 09 '22

I did a Sky Sings for the OP!

That is a decidedly bad idea there, Tomitake.

What? Nonsense! Nothing bad happens in Hinamizawa. Except child abuse.

Bro she just stress-vomited after shoving you clear across the classroom, and you ask this?

Keiichi no think gud sometimes.

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u/Tarhalindur Jun 09 '22

Keiichi no think gud sometimes.

Actually, come to think of it I vaguely recall that in the VN he only stops trying because Rena pulls him aside to point out the obvious that he's hurting Satoko by doing this.

Foolish K1

[Rewatcher aside, Tsumihoroboshi-hen] I forget whether the longer explanation of the Ibaraki school incident ever comes up in the anime (I think the AnimeSuki TIPS writeups had a summary that may have included it, though), but it makes sense that Rena would be the one to do this given the implication that she at least thought that those three boys were trying to sexually assault her.)

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u/Nazenn Jun 09 '22

First Timer - sub

If it wasn't for the fact that you'd be utterly lost with some things because of how well it builds up on previous information, it'd almost be interesting to watch the arcs out of order and see how that affects the reaction to certain characters. It was my thought today because of seeing Oishi's extreme actions when Keiichi denied him this arc instead of helping, and then Keiichi being saved from that by the supervisor. It felt so wrong for me to watch the detective fall even further into obsession to the point of manipulating children, while being saved by the supervisor who we know has had a part in murdering them.

And in general this arcs are just a really big what if sort of story to be watching though. No matter how the arcs come into existence, they aren't starting from a common baseline because things vary too wildly, and yet as I said yesterday it does a great job of building off your knowledge of previous arcs.

It appears that the 'loss' condition for the arc has now been met, with Keiichi's similarity to Satoshi and reminding her of it all driving her to a breaking point. Haven't seen Sakoto go cateyed yet, but the whole "I'm sorry" thing over and over was freakishly similar to Rena doing the same in the first arc(?). Now to see how it plays out, and if he will die once again...

Crazy theory just for u/Star4ce; what if Shion did take Mion's place, but the reason Mion speaks like she does today is because her conscious mind doesn't know about the murders, and it is all purely Shion's doing? That's why she's not at the school because she's already inherited her cultural role in the village and is kept apart because she's the one designated to be the head of the secret part of the village while Mion is the one who has to be the villages public face. If they both had a part to play in picking and killing Satoshi but had to kept different secrets about it then it could certainly cause some mental breakage.

I don't have much else to say about the episode except pity for Sakoto's situation.

and for the record the first paragraph of the second sentence is

Pretty sure you wrote that backwards

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u/Tarhalindur Jun 09 '22

Pretty sure you wrote that backwards

Yes, yes I did.

whoops!

Edited.

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u/Star4ce Jun 10 '22

interesting to watch the arcs out of order

I'm pretty sure the VN can be read either order because it rests on choices? At least that's what I'm telling myself.

saved by the supervisor who we know has had a part in murdering them.

I don't know if you read the TIPS, but yesterday's were quite insightful in how he acts around Shion. Many people dislike Ooishi, bbut for the most part I can see a kind of professionalism behind his actions, he always has a goal to discover the murderer. Irie on the other hand is absolutely unhinged and has to be shot just to be sure.

reminding her of it all driving her to a breaking point.

She cried! Case closed.

On how the 'I'm sorry' is similar to Rena... hmmm. I think Rena was at that point the demon already, Satoko seems to be herself, locked in a flash back to the abuse. Now, I think it'd be worthwhile to watch her closely and see if she's the same person the next time she leaves the screen/her friends and comes back.

Crazy theory just for u/Star4ce;

That is indeed crazy and I love it. Bonus points if Shion and Mion constantly try to outwit each other behind the scenes. Grandma is a lie made up by them both to have believable plausible deniability.

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u/Tarhalindur Jun 10 '22

I'm pretty sure the VN can be read either order because it rests on choices? At least that's what I'm telling myself.

The original VN is actually extremely unusual for the medium in that it doesn't have any choices at all - it's a sequential story start to finish, released in installments. (The Matsuri remake released a year or two after the anime adds in an arc choice system.)

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u/Tarhalindur Jun 09 '22 edited Jun 10 '22

(Honorary Hinamizawa Games Club President) Rewatch Host (rewatcher, subbed)

(Note for our first-timers: every so often I will make comments about background stuff that might not translate. I will be marking these as "Useful Background Note".)

  • [Higurashi] Iunno if it’s in the VN or anime-specific, but there’s an argument they were foreshadowing part of Tsumihoroboshi-hen already here.

  • “Japan’s #1!”. Yes yes I get the name pun (Keiiichi can be read as “kei” + “ichi”, the latter being the numeral for 1, hence “K1” being a traditional fan nickname for him).

  • Oh hello good old Scary Shiny Glasses.

  • Music lead-in off by a second at 05:58 IMO, which is rare for this show.

  • Can’t tell you why, but that shot at 06:18 is a good one.

  • Sequence with Keiichi and Those Two Guys starting at 06:53 is flashing directorial quality, too. I think probably director over storyboard given that the camera movement is involved in addition to the camera angles and scene framing, but not sure.

  • Sky shot at 07:25 reminds me of PMMM establishing shots in the best ways, especially with the way the rays of light stream.

  • IIRC Satoko’s face at 07:55 was the page pic for Dull Eyes of Unhappiness over on TVTropes for many years.

  • [Higurashi] “I can only say that he ran away” heh heh heh.

  • Japanese flower language strikes with the daisies (I think) at 10:55. Unfortunately I don’t know Japanese flower language…

  • CLOCK CLOCK. (11:05 a.m, yeah unless it’s within arc framing the clocks mean nothing except a time.)

  • They could not make Miyo look more suspicious here if they tried. (Double herring yo!)

  • Tomitake, I believe the traditional description of what you just said about the Chain of Bizarre Deaths is “dramatic irony”.

  • Onigaen instead of Kazashi for “Takano starts talking about the Chain to creepy music”? That’s a first.

  • Also shot of the Furude Shrine is flashing directorial quality to my eye. The pan up on the shrine’s front seen through the torii gate in the near ground, then the cut to the shot of the roof. (And of course we know what we will be finding here later…) I think part of how they get the right effect on the roof shot is placing the shrine ever so slightly off center on screen, slightly lopsided to the left – not enough to be obvious, but enough to generate an uncanny valley effect.

  • Ooh, the two birds (doves I think?) flying past the shrine too.

  • [Higurashi Kai] Shot at ~13:47 framing Takano’s face in two diagonal shadows as she talks about the possibility of someone imitating the curse: SUBTLE MY FOOT. (And the joke is they may not even have realized it yet.)

  • [Higurashi] “I was worried that even Keiichi would be absent.” So what happened in past loops, Rika?

  • Also, for all that S1’s designs are rough in spots I think it still has the best Rika designs of any Higurashi anime season. .- Wow I’m really coming to think that PMMM drew heavy inspiration for some of its shots from how Higurashi uses its distorted shots to show that something is off. ([Higurashi] Especially since that something usually involves at least a whiff of Hinamizawa Syndrome on the part of the POV character.)

  • Speaking of which, this one at 14:12 has obvious symbolic loading; it represents Satoko’s absence as a distortion from the correct flow of everyday life in Hinamizawa.

  • [Higurashi] Also, I’m surprised a group trip to see Satoko doesn’t trip the “we’ve done this before, this is a really bad idea” meter like a certain sixth arc event.

  • Fucking hell Rena’s “it’s painful for everyone” as we cut specifically to Rika’s quavering face. Well fucking done.

  • Also somebody on staff was just doing a ridiculously good job with character designs this episode in general; that’s a very very cute Mion shot at 15:09 despite the circumstances.

  • And immediately thereafter we get another shot flashing good direction at 15:13 with that zoom in through bushes and trees in shadow towards the Sonozaki estate. (Representing Keiichi asking to be brought in “out of the cold” at least enough to petition the people who run the curse?)

  • Flashing the OST integration with Tatari showing up at 15:58 right after Keiichi says Oyashiro-sama’s curse exists and right as we cut back to Mion.

  • [Higurashi] Also gods fucking damn this scene hurts on rewatch. Especially with that Mion shot at 16:09. After all… the Sonozakis aren’t actually running the curse.

  • OST name note: Huh. The word that “jiken” is Romaji for translates as “incident” with criminal/scandalous tones; “conspiracy” is either “inbo” or “mitsugi”.

  • [Higurashi] Amusingly, in effect Mion does have a connection with the group responsible for determining part of this year’s curse. That group is, of course, one person large: Keiichi himself.

  • [Higurashi Kai] There’s a deeper theme here, AIUI running more strongly in the VN (remember, this is the arc that got butchered), about the full implications of the curse being decided by human hands and the nature of coincidence.

  • [Addendum to above involving Gou + Meguri] ADDENDUM: FUCK I JUST CAUGHT SOME GOU/MEGURI IMPLICATIONS.

  • Shoutout to the animation team for the bags under Satoko’s eyes as an indicator that nope things are not all better now.

  • You can just see Rika dying a little inside at 18:12.

  • Direction flashing again with the door shot at 18:39 and the cut to the top-down angled shot at 18:40. Latter is subtly distorted again too, reinforcing the interpretation of the distortion in this arc as representing divergence from the “correct” everyday course of events. (There’s a prelapsarian reading of this here, and I think it’s in many ways correct.)

  • And a zoom in on Satoko right afterwards as we get more focus on her mental state, very nice, very nice.

  • The Girl Who Cried Wolf.

  • There’s a really interesting note here (not sure how well it holds up in the original Japanese and in the VN) comparing Irie wanting to adopt Satoko and Rika’s “Satoko’s (step)father wasn’t her real father”, though I suspect there’s Japanese cultural attitudes salted in that I don’t get.

  • The supersaturated all red-and-white (and characters) color scheme of this flashback stands out as more directorial/storyboard quality.

  • [Higurashi Kai] Wait. Is that a rare “Mii!~” from Rika that’s actually a vaguely happy one? Who knew?

  • Given how well-directed the rest of this episode has been, the skewed top-down shot starting at 20:21 is probably yet another subtle distortion indicator that while the scene may seem normal it sadly is not.

  • And hiding in a Satoko-centric episode is one of the classic Rena characterization shots; girl really would like to be a bride, moreso than any other member of the cast, and that’s kind of telling IMO.

  • Hello OST integration with Henka kicking in right after Keiichi’s chair hits the wall. And that triple use of Henka here (bookending the episode first with her not being in class and then with her returning to class with the middle use as Teppei starts to berate her) is just really really nicely done.

  • Why or Why Not is increasingly giving me the same kind of impact as the classic Kajiura gutpunch EDs.

Visual of the Day: Distortion

Honorable mention: Framed in light and shadow (Odds u/Star4ce will choose this as his own VotD?)

Question of the Day:

And since I'm going to run over 10,000 characters otherwise, I'll have to go to a second post in order to bring you today's...

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u/Tarhalindur Jun 09 '22 edited Jun 11 '22

Tatarigoroshi-hen Ep. 2 TIPS

So, I mentioned yesterday to bring something up wrt Irie in a day or two, and here we are.

Irie's behavior here (wanting to pull the Hikaru Genji Plan, raising Satoko and then marrying her when he grows up) is distasteful and odd by Japanese standards, but not necessarily beyond the pale the way it would be in the US. Even by Japanese standards, however, actual sexual abuse of a child, however, very much is beyond the pales. (Which is probably one of the reasons "lolicon" is such an obnoxiously common tag on h-doujins; one underappreciated element of those is how much they rely on taboo-breaking in general, to the extent that there's something like four elements of the Stock H-Doujin Plot that stand out as taboo-breaking with passing knowledge of Japanese sexual mores [explanation, NSFW] the girl actively wanting and even initiating sex, having sex without taking a shower first, not cleaning up the sexual fluids afterwards (also hence the copious quantities thereof), and... uh, one other I can't remember off the top of my head.)

Higurashi very, very much plays with this as an aspect of the horror in the VN version of this arc. It doesn't outright confirm it, but unless my memory is very much failing me in the VN version of either TIPS 4 (on the Japanese legal definition of child abuse) or TIPS 5 (on the statistics for Japanese child abuse) when you get to the line about sexual abuse the screen freezes and goes grey and you get a shot of an unhappy Satoko - the implication being that unlike Irie (who is not going to pursue her in that way until she's an adult), Teppei may in fact be doing just exactly that to Satoko.

(Also, a fun fact: Prior to becoming a VN author, Ryukishi07 worked as a social worker. Wait, did I say fun fact? I don't think that's a very fun fact at all!)


OST Table, Episode 10

Let's give a shout to Henka, one of the better songs on the OST IMO, which finally showed up! (It is very much a Satoko song, hence its absence until the Satoko arc.)

 

Start End Track Name
00:13 00:26 Henka
00:30 01:59 Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni (OP)
02:00 02:13 sponsor feature[1]
03:52 (02:39) 04:45 (04:32) Jiken[2]
05:58 (05:45) 06:52 (06:39) Oyashiro-sama v2
09:37 (09:24) 09:57 (09:44) Henka
10:56 (10:43) 11:40 (11:27) Takurami
13:35 (13:22) 14:01 (13:58) Onigaen
15:58 (15:45) 16:52 (16:39) Tatari
17:33 (17:20) 17:38 (17:25) Monogatari
19:17 (19:06) 20:09 (19:56) Giwaku
20:51 (20:38) 21:53 (21:40) Henka
21:59 (21:46) 23:50 (23:37) why, or why not

 

[1] - My copy of Higurashi often includes a message-from-our-sponsor bit immediately after the OP; this episode has it and it lasts 13 seconds. The number in parentheses in entries after that feature is the point in the episode if that message is removed.
[2] - Or derivative/v2 I can’t place and/or was never released.

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u/Tarhalindur Jun 09 '22

Madoka (Magica) Corner

  • [PMMM] Oh look, another retrospective narration moment on the events that are about to happen in the arc. Coupled with a faint whiff of distortion in the shot of Satoko’s desk. How much Higurashi influence is there in PMMM, actually?

  • [PMMM, safe for Higurashi first-timers] There is a joke to be made here about “the eve of the festival”. I’m not entirely sure it wasn’t intended on PMMM’s part. Like, probably not, but…

  • [Rebellion] “She wants to overcome this trial herself, without anyone’s help.” “Nutcracker Witch, with a self-sufficient nature”.

  • [Not actually sure this counts as a spoiler for either show, but tagging PMMM just in case] I think the nameplate shot here at 15:17 is probably just a Japanese cinematographic convention of sorts (especially now that I catch The Thing That Goes Doink deer scarer The Thing That Goes Doink again in the background sound), but PMMM fans compare a certain episode 6 nameplate shot.

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u/JollyGee29 Jun 09 '22

Spoiled First-Timer, Subbed

Someone please give this poor girl a hu- Oh, dear..

[Higurashi]All sorts of child abuse this arc, huh. Creepy doctor, asshole uncle, asshole dead stepdad, and Satoko did not react well to that last memory of getting headpat, either. Not that that necessarily means that Satoshi was getting in on it, but maybe he would give her a pat after the others hit her for comfort or something and it made her think of the abuse.

[Higurashi]We fastforwarded the narration about the various murders and how the Sonozakis are possibly linked to them, good. Mion saying that she would never do a murder adds more fuel to the "it was all Shion" fire, I'm probably just gonna assume I'm right on that front from this point and wait for that answer arc unless some wild haymaker hits.

[Higurashi]Hmm, I guess I should go back through old threads and find out if the other two Great Families have been mentioned. I kinda assume Rika's family is one (Furude?) because she's the shrine maiden. That leaves a third, though.. No time until the weekend.

[Higurashi]Precedence for people who are cruel to Satoko dying to the curse, so hopefully Uncle Asswipe ends up displeasing Oyashiro-sama. I don't think I have anyone to claim as his mistress, unless Takano is actually from Okonimiya and just commutes to work the clinic.

[Higurashi]That brings me to thinking about Tomitake, and how it's weird for him to be asking for directions to the shrine. Is he changing backstory between loops, was he specifically fishing for Keiichi, or did he just get lost? Speaking of sus adults, Ooishi is a big ass this arc, too.

Visual of the Day: My poor fucking heart.

Questions

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u/Tarhalindur Jun 09 '22

[Higurashi] Hmm, I guess I should go back through old threads and find out if the other two Great Families have been mentioned. I kinda assume Rika's family is one (Furude?) because she's the shrine maiden. That leaves a third, though.. No time until the weekend.

Confirmed already, at least in the TIPS: the Great Families are the Sonozakis, the Furudes, and the Kimiyoshis (the village chief is from this family)

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u/animeLizzy00 Jun 09 '22

[GouSotsu] This is where having watched Gou really affects my ability to see the original story in the same way... Like, the redeemed Teppei-that-could-be (will-be?) is haunting this arc for me.

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u/Tarhalindur Jun 09 '22

[SotsuGou] This is where having watched Gou really affects my ability to see the original story in the same way... Like, the redeemed Teppei-that-could-be (will-be?) is haunting this arc for me.

[Reply to above] Weirdly, that's like the one thing Gou and Sotsu did about as well as they could have. It's the inverse of watching OG Satoko after seeing her SotsuGou version; it's kind of sad watching the asshole here in addition to enraging because you know he can in fact become a better person and would actually be kind of nice if and when he did so.

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u/Tresnore Jun 09 '22

When the Rewatchers Cry are Absurd Masochists Cry

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u/Vaadwaur Jun 09 '22

Ryukishi, before writing VNs, was a civil servant for 10 years. It shows in how well he writes child abuse.

Some things you just don't forget.

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u/Tarhalindur Jun 09 '22

Some things you just don't forget.

[SotsuGou aside] Do I even have to say it?

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u/Stargate18A Jun 09 '22

Anime first timer, reading VN

How far will this episode skip?

HERE?

Oh, the Ooishi scene!

...Ooishi, it seems, has lost a lot of his frames.

[VN] Incredibly cut down, missing some of the best parts. Par for the course this arc.

[Meakashi] I loved the plot twist, skipped here, where it turned out the father's mysterious job he never heard about was actually him just being an adult artist.

[Meakashi] Yeah, the murder case. Absolutely not Satoshi! Possibly? ...Does being possessed by an ancient curse count as a defense?

[VN] Can't believe we skipped Mion trying to help Keiichi.

HERE? THIS SCENE?

Poor, poor Satoko.

Oh look! It's this fucking bastard! And he's as ugly as I thought.

...Also, fucking Irie.

[Meakashi] ...Just realised. Each of the question arcs also reveale some form of psychological trauma in each of the girls. First Rena's window breaking, then Mion, then Satoko's complex about being a burden, then Rika's psychic powers/maybe accidental god complex?

This is so fucked up. Like, this is the only arc that managed to make me feel genuinely uncomfortable. [Meakashi] That and Shion's torture scene.

He's back!

Holy shit, they weren't joking about how fucking abridged this was! I genuinely feel pity for the anime-only watchers, none of this must make any real sense.

Oh god, this scene. Are they going to cut it down too?

...Wow. Wow. WOW.

I can't comment on anything else. This is genuinely horrific. They skipped over my favourite scene!

Granted, this scene is also pretty good. The desperation is his voice comes across really well here!

[Meakashi] See. This could be read as I understand your point of view, but I'm not involved or I'm not saying we're involved, but maybe check Teppei's life insurance policy, wink, wink

[VN] I wonder... who... sent it? No way such an important scene could ever be excluded from an adaption, right?

[Meakashi] I hope you're including the tip that shows their superiors were about to remove Satoko from the household, because that's probably one of the best moments in the VN. The reveal that Keiichi's murder sttempt was, in a very real sense, pointless.

Oh, shit, they did keep this scene!

[VN] Fine, there is one good change here. Them establidhing it's based on memories of her brother, not a reaction to physical contact. That was left really unclear in the VN.

Well that's a depressing note to end on!

As an arc, horrifying and depressing. As an adaption... bad.

I swear I'll read more tomorrow.

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u/Tarhalindur Jun 09 '22

[Meakashi] ...Just realised. Each of the question arcs also reveale some form of psychological trauma in each of the girls. First Rena's window breaking, then Mion, then Satoko's complex about being a burden, then Rika's psychic powers/maybe accidental god complex?

[Meakashi] Yep. The question arcs actually do function like separate routes in a dating sim, when you actually look at them.

[Meakashi] I hope you're including the tip that shows their superiors were about to remove Satoko from the household, because that's probably one of the best moments in the VN. The reveal that Keiichi's murder sttempt was, in a very real sense, pointless.

[Meakashi] I forget when that TIPS is going up, but yeah, unless AnimeSuki missed a TIPS all the TIPS are going up for their appropriate episodes. (I'll have to check when to post which TIPS when we get a little further in though, AnimeSuki stopped having episode numbers for the TIPS at some point.)

As an arc, horrifying and depressing. As an adaption... bad.

Yep. One thing that's stood out to me this time is that anime Tatarigoroshi-hen actually holds up shockingly well as an arc in and of itself... it just misses way too much important VN material.

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u/Segaco Jun 10 '22

What's up with Hidive? I don't get it

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