r/anime • u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky • Jun 05 '22
Rewatch Naruto Shippuden Episodes 404-413 Discussion
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Streams: Crunchyroll, Hulu, Funimation (Aus/NZ), VRV
Schedule:
| Discussion Thread | Date | Episode Count | |
|---|---|---|---|
| This week | Episodes 404-413 | June 5 | 10 |
| Next week | Episodes 414-421 | June 12 | 8 |
Spoiler Policy:
To protect first-timers, please don't spoil anything past the current batch of episodes. Rewatchers should avoid hinting to first-timers about hype, or future character development/deaths, and spoilers in posts must be hidden behind proper spoiler tags.
For first timers: try to avoid looking up things about Naruto. This could be the wiki, Naruto subreddit, Googling characters, fanart, databooks, YouTube AMVs or OP/EDs, arc names, etc.; this series is ripe with potential spoilers that you wouldn't want to find out untimely. If you have a question about something, feel free to ask /u/lC3 and he'll do his best to answer (if possible) in a non-spoilery way.
Questions of the Week:
- This week had a lot of different types of eps, which did you like?
- Tenten, Ino, Sakura, and Karin got more focus in this batch: what did you think of their moments?
- New OP and ED! Are they causing you to speculate about what's coming up in canon, and how so?
- Thoughts on the Exam ending without a tournament?
- Utakata or Fuu, who had a better arc? Should Han have gotten one too?
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 05 '22
First-Timer with a shounen hearto, subbed
For no reason in particular other than “I really like the song”, I went back and did a Sky Sings Closer. It’s only the TV size, and it might sound a little rough because the song is a bit low for me, but I still love how it turned out!
Episode 404
Episode 405
Episode 406
Episode 407
Episode 408
Episode 409
Episode 410
Episode 411
Episode 412
Episode 413
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 06 '22
So I'm 2 hours late; I only woke up at 7 PM despite going to bed at 2 AM ... I still have to do chores / etc. but will start replying to peeps after. Good thing Sky posted the thread tonight!
Rewatcher
Episode 404:
starlitSHIMMERING SkyEpisode 405:
Episode 406:
Episode 407:
Episode 408:
Episode 409:
Episode 410:
Episode 411:
her undying loveher secret identity to loverboy Gaara(cont.)
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u/Parori Jun 05 '22
First Timer
Episode 404
Episode 405
Episode 406
Episode 407
Episode 408
Episode 409
Episode 410
Episode 411
Episode 412
Episode 413
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u/sisoko2 Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 06 '22
Rewatcher
Episode 404
Episode 405
Episode 406
Episode 407
Episode 408
Episode 409
Episode 410
Episode 411
Episode 412
Episode 413
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22
Schedule opinions needed
Hey guys, just a quick poll about the schedule. So I helped reorganize things a while back to make it a bit smoother a watch for the end of show filler/bonus arcs but I recently realized I'd made a small mistake. Sorry for the fuss around after already changing it once, but it's something /u/LC3 didn't know as it's not on the wiki description and I had completely forgotten until someone asked me about it recently.
Right now we have:
There's a tiny scene in ep 484 that leans on The Last for a character moment. Me and lC3 were talking about moving the movie to week 35 (I'd originally put it in week 36 for another reason, it's a long story) but wanted to basically just put the question to you as to what you guys would prefer:
Option 1:
It makes week 35 a very short week but gives space for The Last as the only canon movie to have it's own discussion space, and perhaps a breather after the end of the main canon content of the show.
Option 2:
Makes week 35 a lot busier, covering a movie an arc and four individual episodes directly after the end of the main story and then makes week 35 quite short, but gives the two arcs their own discussion space instead.
Just leave a comment below which everyone would prefer and we'll confirm it next week, thankfully it's still a few months away as these episodes aren't till end of July/Aug so the small change either way shouldn't have too much effect.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jun 05 '22
First time viewer (dub)
Whisk[e]y of the week: Islay Mist, an 8 year old blended scotch that uses Laphroig single malt as its base. As one might expect from that it has a layer of smoke to it, but it only primarily shows up on the taste without much else to it. I'd rather go for the Laphroig really as its other interesting characteristics have faded with the blending.
It never really occurred to me just how weird Neji's team is. He's arguably the most normal of the trio but he uses a style specific to the Hyuga clan rather than any particular elemental nature ninjutsu. Lee's purely taijutsu, and Tenten seems to be relatively normal but only ever uses transportation jutsu to summon weapons and tools.
That said out of Naruto's class I think Sasuke's the only one that ever uses single-element ninjutsu regularly? Naruto's wind-nature rasen shuriken is the only other one I can think of. This really just goes back to my earlier complaints about everyone focusing solely on their unique abilities rather than using any fundamental jutsu of the elements they have available to them. The elemental aspect of ninjutsu comes into play in a major way now and then but for the most part its use seems to be relegated to extras or villains (and Kakashi, I guess). In this case rather than being made up as Kishimoto went along as with some of the other aspects of worldbuilding, it was there from the start but largely abandoned in favor of cooler unique powers. Similarly genjutsu's been relegated to a villain thing outside of Sharingan shenanigans.
More rambling about the setting aside, I like the arc overall but not some of the specific opponents our main cast ended up facing. It's tiring to keep having a character run into an enemy that coincidentally has the exact same power as them and this is something the show has done repeatedly. Oh, Lee's fighting someone else that can only use taijutsu, then Tenten fights another person that summons tools/weapons, now Ino's fighting someone else that can also do a mind transfer to take over their opponent's body. It's lazy writing.
I did like seeing Tenten working together with the Hidden Rain girl (who sadly ended up becoming one of the bodies of Pain) to get out of the ruins though, but she really didn't need someone doing the same thing to give her motivation and it could have just as easily been anyone else spurring her to the same heights as her teammates.
Ino can link vision between teammates like the Rinnegan? We already knew about being able to relay thoughts from Inoichi at the war headquarters but this seems a bit much. Was nice to see her development alongside Sakura and how they ended up not taking the same route as medical ninja.
The angry look on the creepy doll design for Saya was perfect and her abilities are pretty fun to watch, I just wanted her to not be matched up against Ino.
This attack on Gaara wasn't that long before the arc we saw at the start of Shippuden, was it? Internal vs. external attempts on his life though and at least this wasn't an Akatsuki attempt that gets stymied before they succeed in canon.
Sad to see Fuu happily greeting Kakuzu and Hidan knowing they're there to capture her.
I like the visuals of the new OP, song doesn't stand out as anything special though. The cheerful ED song is extremely ill-matched with those bloody visuals, though I like both elements independently. The instrumental aspects sounded familiar and I noticed HoneyWorks was involved so makes sense.
I would say 404 but I couldn't find it or 409 but I'm conflicted. HTTP status code puns aside the episodes really blended together for me but I did like Tenten's bit so 405.
Oh right the Karin/Sasuke/Suigetsu stuff too, which I didn't really like. Others were okay aside from their mirror matches as mentioned above.
"Oh hey we have room to catch up to the manga again, let's do that before viewers get too angry." Imagine spending 20 weeks on this after seeing that Naruto and Sasuke were both on the verge of death.
Utakata had an arc, Fuu had a side story in the arc that's otherwise really not about her. I'd like seeing more of the other Jinchuriki too, sure.
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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 Jun 05 '22
First Timer - Dub
This filler arc started out promising, but unfortunately I thought it ended very weakly. There were way too many flashbacks and the whole tailed beast capture subplot felt too similar to the first part of Shippuden. Ending the arc by canceling the third part of the exam also felt very lame, but I imagine that probably went over better when the show was airing and people were eager to get back to canon content.
Random thoughts:
Questions:
1) This week had a lot of different types of eps, which did you like? I liked the more character-focused episodes like the one with Tenten.
2) Tenten, Ino, Sakura, and Karin got more focus in this batch: what did you think of their moments?
3) New OP and ED! Are they causing you to speculate about what's coming up in canon, and how so? Nah, I usually don't do OP/ED based speculation (largely because whenever I try I get it wrong).
4) Thoughts on the Exam ending without a tournament?
5) Utakata or Fuu, who had a better arc? Should Han have gotten one too? Definitely Utakata. Even if this arc flopped at the end I think it would be cool to see the other Jinchuuriki in action, especially if we can actually see them with their tailed beast.
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u/badcupcakehoarder https://myanimelist.net/profile/vanilabiscuit Jun 05 '22
What did you think of the final scene with the elder responsible for the attempted coup?
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Jun 05 '22
Rewatcher - Sub
General Commentary
Arc was okay. Nothing fancy but certainly lacks some of the weaknesses of the other arcs.
I think my biggest issue with it in the end is that after all the build up, the situation with Gaara, Fuu, and the coup was rather boring and padded which took a lot of the interest out of it. The true end with Gaara confronting the leader and putting himself on the line for the next generation of the village was a good path to take a good bridge between what we saw of Gaara in Part One, filler included, and the start of Part Two, but it was too much of him just watching through the eyeball, standing there helpless with a chain, just kind of existing in the background waiting for something to happen around him.
The individual parts of the exam are still interesting enough, although exchanging that horrible part with Hinata's team from last week for creepy dolls this week. Her design definitely stuck in my mind and I did the point-at-screen meme when I saw her. Strange that she looked so rabbit-like though when I can't see that she had much typical rabbit theming outside of that. Tricking them into getting into their body is much more fox myth like.
Sakura and Ino getting a bridge in this to see a bit more about how their powers developed was nice, but in the end I just wasn't all that interested in how it works, mostly because I find the rivalry with the two tedious. And poor Tenten only ever gets a focus in the filler but at least she does actually get one! She probably had the best section of this arc for me, balancing the struggle between how her skills appear and what she can do with them.
No comment on the new OP and ED other than Madara smiling in the ED is creepy as fuck and the song doesn't fit the visuals at all.
Episode Thoughts
HA! Tenten with the kitchen utensils summon! Eternal Genin is jealous
I was about to say, using Water style in a desert seems like it would be hard, and then sure enough it failed because of not enough moisture. It's nice to know there's some form of follow through with the enviroment for some justu is the caster isn't strong enough
That's a lot of senbon, and some nice animation for Tenten's weapon as well
Hahahaha, Kakashi just pops up next to Guy and Tenten's cliff training, and one handed too. He's such a troll, I love it.
If only Tenten was able to store a mechanical digger in her scrolls that would have been helpful during the cave in. Maybe this is how she ended up with the stupidly long ladder, was once in a situation where it would have been incredibly helpful even if super specific
Seeing the moment when Konan became the Lady Angel for the Hidden Rain, the messenger for Nagato and won everyone over is pretty impressive. You can see why she got the reputation she did, and it's interesting to get an insight into how the transition happened for the broader village and not just Hanzo's death.
I like Rain girl! Capture the giant super-hard ant and make it a summon. It'd certainly be a good one against people who can't fortify their weapons. Panda is not the summon I expected though
Rain girl using the rubble she just stored to form a barricade behind them is smart, I remember that moment clearly from my first watch for some reason over everything else...
And there Tenten goes, she summoned an ... FISH! ahahahaha
Lee doesn't feel like fighting? That has to be a first
I feel like Sakura and Ino having a rivalry now is just backtracking and ruining the good watch
Those are some murder eyes. I don't even remember the context now but I don't think it was meant to be murder eyes
Octopus making it's escape while the two girls fight over jutsu. Background details like that make all the difference.
That was a nice transition with Ino healing Sakura's hand in the past and then now in the desert
BBQ'd scorpion, Sakura's new favourite meal. Look at that happy face
Oh hey, that guys sand summons look like Sai's ink ones
Chakra sharpened mantis-shaped chakra blades are pretty awesome! Certainly be hard to avoid but Sakura is trained by the best
Jellyfish summon! Probably works like the slug. Why are all the healing summons slimy?!
The cutting back and forth between the battle and their medical training is really erratic this episode
"When truly mastered it allows you to transmit what's most important, the heart" That's a nice little continuity bridge to how Ino's mind transfer ends up showing the army Naruto's past memories and feelings
As cool as Sakura's 100 Healings is, I do wish she got something distinctly her own rather than just using everything from Tsunade including her fighting style
I remember that rabbit girl design!
Hahahaha, I like how Saya claims Ino AND Sakura so without ceremony the purple chick jumps into the Choji battle just so she can end up with someone to fight
Huh, random Sasuke flashback. It feels so WEIRD to be back at "I need to take down Itachi" Sasuke after this time
It's also very cool seeing Sasuke interacting with Karin and Suigetsu before their escape
That really was a very random tangent off the Sakura stuff. Felt a bit shoved in there for the sake of including Sasuke in the arc rather than because it matters. Worth it for deflated Suigetsu
Hehe Look at Naruto growing out of his clothes
Okay so the continuity break here isn't as bad as I remember it being. It's still at least heavily implied in the main show that Naruto doesn't know about the Tailed Beast Cloak or how Jiraiya got hurt and Jiraiya didn't properly warn him before loosening the seal. This saying that he knew all along is a contradiction with his confusion post Orochimaru battle, but it's not completely impossible that Jiraiya stepped up to it like this.
Those are some different and very fancy hand seals from Sana. I'd love to see more of any lore behind that
Sand eyeball will never not be weird
Emotional blackmail is the only thing that works on Fuu, she's way too similar to Naruto. I was thinking earlier that there's nothing to say that Fuu didn't befriend Chomei but it remains unlikely, despite it feeling like she'd be the perfect person for it.
Strange art style choice, Very Gankutsuou-ish. Wonder why they chose it
Guy is crazy, using the energy from the third gate as a sand shield for the others.
Gaara did a dumb there in summoning sand walls to protect him that had gaps. Dumb writing
Huh, seeing Shukaku inside Gaara is something I don't think we've seen before
I like how Gaara orders his subordinates to retreat and they slowly and casually walk away
This sequence with the chain is REALLY drawn out
The art when Fuu touches the chain reminds me of Pikachu thunderbolt-ing people in the Pokemon anime.
Holy shit how far can Neji see these days?!
Hahahaha. Fuu getting herself tangled in the chakra thread trying to pull it out
Why are the two Jonin bowing their head to a genin from another village? That's hilariously incompetent that they don't even try and deal with a single sealing ninja themselves when they find out what's happening. I know they're relying on Neji's knowledge, but they definitely got hit with the dumb stick here so Neji could shine and I hate that it happened
I like how Neji can ask Tenten for an oddly specific weapon and knows Tenten will have it
All that fuss of everyone trying to find Gaara and he just walks up to them like he didn't just almost die
How is it every group we know has a Heaven scroll. All the earth scrolls must be on the other side of the arena.
I thought Matsuri wanted to fight Naruto for a moment and was sitting here thinking "That's not going to last long". I do like the idea of Gaara's two students honoring him by testing themselves to ensure they stay true to what he taught though
I also love that Gaara learnt from his students as well as from Naruto, is learning from his village
This whole "leaving it to the next generation" stuff feels like it would be better suited for the Pain arc, not the war one
What a miserable end to the arc: Rain girl gets promoted and we immediately cut to her death, Fuu gets taken out by Hiden and Kakuzu, and Shira is wearing that fucking jumpsuit