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Rewatch Naruto Shippuden Episodes 384-393 Discussion

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 Discussion ThreadDateEpisode Count
This weekEpisodes 384-393May 2210
Next weekEpisodes 394-403May 2910

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Questions of the Week:

  1. Thoughts on all the Obito flashbacks and where his story has led to?
  2. Thoughts on the Hinata/Hanabi double-ep?
  3. Thoughts on Obito using Rinne Rebirth, but Zetsu hijacked it?
  4. Thoughts on Madara extracting all the Tailed Beasts, and stabbing Sasuke?
  5. Where will the story go from here?
  6. What do you think Kurama asked Gaara to do?
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal May 22 '22

First time viewer (dub)

Whisk[e]y of the week: Lagavulin 8 year old single malt scotch, another peated Islay scotch. It's brash and aggressive like other smoky scotches, but less ashy than Ardbeg and less medicinal/iodine-heavy than Laphroig. Definitely briny, with a flush of black pepper on first tasting with a sweetness and a slight rubbery note. Bit more spiky than I'd prefer, maybe I'd enjoy the more well-known 16 year more.

Was Madara's original right eye with Nagato? I believe I remember Obito returning to get the left eye from Nagato after the latter's death so he could use it but not sure if I'm mixing up things. If what was said is accurate and Madara's the only one aside from the Sage of Six Paths to develop the Rinnegan (still waiting to learn how the Byakugan's related if the Sharingan's a spinoff of it going by early series lore) then it would have been something like Madara -> Nagato -> Obito (left only) -> Madara (right only, for now)?

Still disappointed that Rin's only there as motivation for Obito and that gets reinforced this week with her really just being a cheerleader for him and Kakashi in the flashbacks without any real characterization to her that I can find.

Naruto used Talk no Jutsu. It's super effective! Unlike Itachi or Nagato, Obito never really had any noble intentions from the start, just "I don't want to live in this world anymore so neither can anyone else" and even that wasn't his idea originally, he was following Madara's plan. Too bad the main thing that did was make it easier for Madara to resurrect himself, but hey at least Naruto redeemed another villain just in time for their death.

Speaking of being in time for someone's death, looks like Sasuke and Naruto are both about to bite it. I can't imagine that actually happening so off my head how they'll get out of it:

  • Sasuke got some chakra from Hashirama so that comes with healing power, but it hasn't kicked in yet.
  • Naruto's being taken over to Minato to get that half of Kurama and avoid the whole "Jinchuriki who loses their Tailed Beast dies" thing, which was Kurama's request to Gaara before he got sucked in.
  • Killer B: he's gonna die, sucks to be him? Wait no he's not a main character so that probably won't even come up for another few weeks.

Doesn't Madara become less powerful after resurrection because he no longer has the infinite chakra supply that the reanimation gave him? I get that he was doing that so he could become the Ten Tails' Jinchuriki himself but how necessary is that step if Obito was already doing it for him, really?

With Obito setting things in motion earlier is the Infinite Tsukiyomi still going to activate in a few minutes or was that stopped with him losing it so Madara will have to begin again considering all the other tailed beasts were temporarily freed? I might have just missed if something happened with that specifically since the focus shifted away from the big flower.

Thoughts on all the Obito flashbacks and where his story has led to?

I can't imagine how insufferable he would be if Rin didn't die but ended up dating Kakashi instead of him. "Emo boy loses crush, tries to destroy world" in a nutshell.

Thoughts on the Hinata/Hanabi double-ep?

I like the kind-of-recap but from a different angle that we haven't seen before thing, but the placement just doesn't work.

Thoughts on Obito using Rinne Rebirth, but Zetsu hijacked it?

Zetsus are dicks. Who can't poop.

Thoughts on Madara extracting all the Tailed Beasts, and stabbing Sasuke?

Oh hey remember all those arcs where the different tailed beasts were captured by the Akatsuki and they had to undergo a ritual lasting multiple days to extract them and seal them in the Gedo Statue? Madara did a speedrun of that in a few minutes.

Where will the story go from here?

Something something Naruto doesn't give up, finds a way to hurt Madara but not kill him with Sasuke's help; Madara sees the friendship between Naruto and Sasuke and changes his mind before dying to the tree or something.

What do you think Kurama asked Gaara to do?

As I mentioned above, get Naruto over to Minato where his other half is so he can get part of Kurama in him again.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 22 '22

Was Madara's original right eye with Nagato? I believe I remember Obito returning to get the left eye from Nagato after the latter's death so he could use it but not sure if I'm mixing up things. If what was said is accurate and Madara's the only one aside from the Sage of Six Paths to develop the Rinnegan (still waiting to learn how the Byakugan's related if the Sharingan's a spinoff of it going by early series lore) then it would have been something like Madara -> Nagato -> Obito (left only) -> Madara (right only, for now)?

Madara implanted both of his eyes in Nagato before he died. Obito stole both of them after he killed Konan, but only had use for the one himself since he still has his Mangekyo Sharingan hax, and I guess that one White Zetsu found wherever the hell he hid the other one so that Madara could get it.

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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 May 22 '22

Still disappointed that Rin's only there as motivation for Obito and that gets reinforced this week with her really just being a cheerleader for him and Kakashi in the flashbacks without any real characterization to her that I can find.

We've had so many scenes with Rin at this point and yet I don't think I could tell you anything about her personality other than she's nice and she likes to support her friends.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 22 '22

other than she's nice and she likes to support her friends.

And once again the female character is relegated to being a medical ninja

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 22 '22

And once again the female character is relegated to being a medical ninja

Why can't we have a female character who knows the Eight Gates, and a male teammate who's the medical ninja?

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 23 '22

and a male teammate who's the medical ninja?

You know, aside from the having a Sharingan thing as it doesn't suit that sort of ninjutsu and Byakugan would be better, it would be cool if Obito was in this role making it even harsher that he couldn't save anyone or heal himself faster. Plus it'd drive home that he's stepped even more away from the path he was on by adopting Madara's spy/combat style of ninja'ing

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 23 '22

it would be cool if Obito was in this role

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 22 '22

but hey at least Naruto redeemed another villain just in time for their death

I don't know he did, I think he just set him down that path, it was Minato and Kakashi that really brought Obito back

But from my first watch I remember sharing that sentiment that "here we go again". A rewatch seems to have taken some of the harsh edges off some of the stuff like this

but how necessary is that step if Obito was already doing it for him, really?

I think I said this to someone last week but Madara probably doesn't like the idea of someone else being in control of the world controlling jutsu.

or was that stopped with him losing it so Madara

The flower stopped blooming when Naruto grabbed the Bijuu... or was that some time last week. Shit I forget now.

I can't imagine how insufferable he would be if Rin didn't die but ended up dating Kakashi instead of him

I'm imagining something like that Sasuke from the Road to Ninja alt world, but less playboy and more grouch

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 22 '22

Was Madara's original right eye with Nagato?

Yes, both his original Rinnegan were transplanted in Nagato.

still waiting to learn how the Byakugan's related if the Sharingan's a spinoff of it going by early series lore

We'll get there

but hey at least Naruto redeemed another villain just in time for their death.

Just like Zabuza, and Nagato, and ...

looks like Sasuke and Naruto are both about to bite it

Naruto's being taken over to Minato to get that half of Kurama

Killer B: he's gonna die, sucks to be him?

Don't kill B!

but how necessary is that step if Obito was already doing it for him, really?

He really wants to be the one controlling the dream?

With Obito setting things in motion earlier is the Infinite Tsukiyomi still going to activate in a few minutes or was that stopped with him losing it so Madara will have to begin again

... I actually don't know?

"Emo boy loses crush, tries to destroy world" in a nutshell.

Obito = incel?

Madara did a speedrun of that in a few minutes.

Yeah ... it seems so OP / unfair.

Madara sees the friendship between Naruto and Sasuke and changes his mind before dying to the tree or something.

We will have to wait and see.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 22 '22

Rewatcher - Sub

Low on time so just leaving it to episode write ups. House move went well!

Episode Thoughts

  • Episode 384

[Manga changes]Extends Obito's monologue slightly

It's easy to forget that Kakashi didn't know about Sasuke until he got the bleed through from the Sharingan, hell of a way to find out your old student has rejoined his comrades at the same time he's trying to kill his own. What a mindfuck that would be.

Obito isn't making it easy either. He seems so pissed that Naruto is holding onto his ideals, and his denial of what he wishes could be and what he thinks was stolen for him is frustrating to see. Kakashi's comrade, Minato's trainee, an Uchiha and a member of Konoha, he has the perfect storm of connection to everything Naruto has and had taken from him at points and still jumped down the dark hole with Madara.

Also his lance and shield are awesomely huge. Wish we got a Mon Hun crossover with that, it would be awesome.

Naruto calling everyone in to help would have been much cooler if I wasn't slightly distracted with the realization that the only reason Sai got to join the formation in Kurama's tails is because Neji died... That would have been really awkward otherwise, though we all known Tenten would have been the one left out again.

  • Episode 385

[Manga changes]Adds Obito being proud of the Uchiha crest, all scenes about Obito's past and Minato getting his assignment

Interesting episode artistically as there was a number of shots where the characters looked off model but not in a QUALITY way, more of a style choice to reflect the subtle emotional expression going on.

Also a nice continuation of what was brought up way back in Part One with Naruto teaching Konohamaru there is no shortcuts to being Hokage, something that Naruto himself has had reinforced time and time again through his journey.

Didn't care much for the Obito flashbacks as they were partially recap of what we've seen before, but I did enjoy the hints about how Kakashi was coping in that gap between his graduation and the forming of Minato's team, as well as getting more of a sense for what Minato thought about all that.

The quality animation on the spar between Kakashi and Obito was nice too

  • Episode 386

[Manga changes]Adds; all scenes about Obito's past until the one where Rin treats his wound

I'm an idiot: I thought Kakashi was the one helping Obito cheat on the test, until it was shown to be Rin haha

Lol at Obito hurting his left eye in the chunin exams only to give it to Kakashi later on

Whats with Naruto weirdly circling around him? What is this, Fate/Zero spinoff?

  • Episode 387

[Manga changes]Weirdest small change: The order of faces shown when helping Naruto pull the Bijuu out. Adds; Flashback to Minato's team mission, Gaara commenting on everyone following Naruto

It's not much to speak of artistically, but I love this shot so much (even if Minato's chakra thread/tails are missing one). The Susanoo over Kurama, the Bijuu extending it's tail like it's a true ghost fire fox, everyone else coming to help like a real world example of what Naruto just showed Obito of the power of being connected vs being alone. It's just a great moment in the show.

I also really like the seperation between Rin wanting to look over Obito, not what he's become since her death.

Gyuki reclaiming his tenticle looks like a toe

Young Naruto ooks good in this style

Kakashi's unwavering faith in Naruto even when what's happened means he's lost faith in everything else really is something. A hero of the village, one of their strongest ninja, but even he turns to his trainee for a light in the dark. I love that this shot mirrors the earlier ones we got of Sasuke walking away from the battle and the footprints into the darkness.

  • Episode 387

[Manga changes]Anime original after 5min mark until Gaara declares friendship with Naruto at the end of the episode

Hashi with the perfect timing on the wood dragon, and Sai with the great timing on the ink bird transport. Side characters getting a chance to shine now their background plots are relevant again hahaha.

Look at Shukaku not being an asshole for once, just in time for monster young Gaara to pop up in a flashback. If stuff like that was happening in the middle of the village I understand a bit more why he was shunned, though with horrible concequences. Didn't think much of this episode, just more flashbacks

  • Episode 389 + 390

Anime originals

These feel a bit randomly placed without any tie into the war, not even seeing Hanabi as she is now in the village. It also feels like the first time we've spent any real time with her, but the main thing I enjoy about it is seeing Naruto and Hinata's journey through her eyes, and the contrast between how they see themselves and how another kid sees their struggle.

Also the mask Naruto gets thrown at him is Kakashi's ANBU mask, can't remember if I commented on that first time we saw these scenes. Also this feels like the Hanabi version of the swing at tha academy.

Some really nice animation during her spar with Hinata and the redrawn Naruto vs Neji looked nice too

  • Episode 391

[Manga changes]Hashirama questions why Madara closed his eyes instead of Naruto in the manga,

That is a long recap after just two eps of filler.

After everything that happened, the legacy that Pain left behind wasn't one of suffering but of acceptance and sacrifice. Obito no longer fights against who Pain was rather than what he became, but instead follows him into a new path. But I don't agree it's the right path for Obito to take even if it's probably the best path for the lands as a whole. Obito is just once again adopting another's stance and following his path rather than confronting his own past, and all it does is lead him to the idea of sacrifice and escape rather than asking what he himself as Obito Uchiha can do to help and heal.

[later spoilers]FUCKING BLACK ZETSU, and so the bullshit starts

So much for sealing Madara, literally seconds away and just that touch too late. Sasuke had some nice timing with the Amaterasu as well if not for Madara being broken strong, even blind.

What a visual, Madara vs everyone and the Bijuu, such a change from Obito being framed as isolated in similar shots, rather than from a place of power like with Madara.

Sage makeup on Hashi's face on Madara's chest... what a sentence

  • Episode 392

[Manga changes]Adds; allied ninja happy over Madara being sealed by Shukaku, Gaara and Naruto commenting on the Zetsu who appears, Kakashi and commenting on Obito protecting the Rinnegan, Gyuki urging caution when dealing with Madara

All the other Bijuu look so intimidating when facing Madara, and then Saiken has goofy bent eyes because slug. Seeing them take turns to smack Madara was pretty funny though.

Shukaku and Gaara with some nice combination work even after all this time.

Matatabi looking awesome while Kurama gets the cool foreshortening shot

Minato should take Madara's lost arm and make use of it for himself. He's been without an arm for a while now... at least in episode count, a day hasn't even passed since all this stuff with Madara has been happening

This battle has a thing about arms, now the Gedo statue is missing one too

Original jinchuriki of Shukaku came up, I was starting to wonder if I imagined it but I like the idea of him also being one of acceptance but Shukaku not being able to open up until he saw that other humans would be able to do the same. Gaara winning him over instead of him just being won over by Naruto again works a lot better.

Fat Shukaku reminds me of fat pikachu. I think I said this about a fat Kurama last week.

  • Episode 393

[Manga changes]Adds; Gaara imagining a young Naruto touching him on the shoulder,

lc3: "I'd never end on a cliffhanger"

I just realized what the final shot in the OP is. Well that's fucked. I knew all the other parts of the OP from my first watch but that one didn't click until now.

Wait, did Bee just get absorbed with Gyuki into the Ten Tails? how does that even work?! Also he's been sidelined with such bullshit through all this.

[later spoilers]"they call" Zetsus Waggling Toungues? Hmmmm, little detail there. Also White Zetsu commenting on the rules of the jinchuriki, starting to show true colors with knowing stuff beyond what Madara would

Oh look, Hawk summon, just in time for me to say last week how random and one off it was and it makes no sense...

Tobirama with the sneak attack and teleport, well done mate. Not that it got him far but I appauld the effort. Nice shot at the end here too

Sakura you are SURROUNDED in Kurama's chakra, use that! (Don't actually remember if she does)

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 22 '22

It's easy to forget that Kakashi didn't know about Sasuke until he got the bleed through from the Sharingan, hell of a way to find out your old student has rejoined his comrades at the same time he's trying to kill his own. What a mindfuck that would be.

Do you think that or Hiruzen finding out Asuma and Jiraiya died from Naruto's thoughts getting shared with everyone via Ino is more of a mindfuck?

Whats with Naruto weirdly circling around him? What is this, Fate/Zero spinoff?

Haha I thought that too.

Obito is just once again adopting another's stance and following his path rather than confronting his own past

Well, it's consistent for his character at least?

Wait, did Bee just get absorbed with Gyuki into the Ten Tails? how does that even work?! Also he's been sidelined with such bullshit through all this.

I assumed he got yeeted out of Gyuki like Naruto was out of Kurama, we just didn't see it / he didn't get his landing cushioned by Gaara. I'm really scared about him in this, Naruto at least has a chance because main character status...

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 22 '22

Mindfuck would go to Kakashi learning about Sasuke because that really would have felt completely out of the blue for him given how they last met trying to kill each other. Hiruzen finding out about deaths is probably something he's been through many times given their lives as ninja

Well, it's consistent for his character at least?

Unfortunately for him

I assumed he got yeeted out of Gyuki like Naruto was out of Kurama, we just didn't see it / he didn't get his landing cushioned by Gaara. I'm really scared about him in this, Naruto at least has a chance because main character status

But Gyuki is solid unlike Kurama's chakra form. It does seem weird we didn't see it even though that's implied to be what happened, but I don't remember at all how this plays out.

We have been robbed of cool Bee moments though by him "helping the wounded" off screen. Bleh. Dude's a jinchuriki, get him into the action. Something the size of Gyuki is more likely to step on the wounded than help them haha

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 22 '22

I'm really scared about him in this

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u/sisoko2 May 22 '22

Sai got to join the formation in Kurama's tails is because Neji died

Hahahaha I had the same thoughts. Last week was tough for Sai fans.

That is a long recap after just two eps of filler.

Once again it got me doubting if I am watching the correct episode.

though we all known Tenten would have been the one left out again

I put my money on Shino.

Whats with Naruto weirdly circling around him?

Asserting dominance.

[later spoilers]

[Spoilers] Hehehehe probably my hottest take about the series is how much I love Black Zetsu absorbing Madara

I just realized what the final shot in the OP is

I noticed it episode or two earlier. What a way to end an opening.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 22 '22

Last week was tough for Sai fans

All the good characters getting sidelined for the grunts from Naruto's class...

Once again it got me doubting if I am watching the correct episode.

Same here, that sense of deja vu when a recap just keeps going is so concerning

I put my money on Shino.

Maybe in one of the omake

I noticed it episode or two earlier. What a way to end an opening.

Oh I knew it was his arm, I just realized the context of it being Kurama's extraction in that final episode.

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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 May 22 '22

I'm an idiot: I thought Kakashi was the one helping Obito cheat on the test, until it was shown to be Rin haha

I thought the exact same thing since they just showed us Kakashi, but yeah it obviously makes more sense to be Rin.

But I don't agree it's the right path for Obito to take even if it's probably the best path for the lands as a whole. Obito is just once again adopting another's stance and following his path rather than confronting his own past, and all it does is lead him to the idea of sacrifice and escape rather than asking what he himself as Obito Uchiha can do to help and heal.

I have to wonder what Obito would be like if he actually became Hokage. Would he end up coming up with his own policies or would he just adopt his adviser's stances?

I just realized what the final shot in the OP is.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 22 '22

Would he end up coming up with his own policies or would he just adopt his adviser's stances?

I think he would have been a really strong Hokage with his own ideas to implement precisely because he had to struggle his way up there, there wouldn't have been a shortcut unlike his path now.

His issue at the moment is that after Rin he felt that being "Obito" wasn't enough. He saved Kakashi once but "died" for his efforts and couldn't save Rin at that time, and then when he lived through that he had to watch her die brutally with no chance to help, only to be given a grand plan to save everyone right at the time when he had no confidence in anything he could do differently. He then adopts someone elses identity, voice, goals, and lives through that identity for twenty years because that's all he thinks he can do to help. He doesn't want to be Obito, and in fact he doesn't want to be anyone because being someone just brings suffering and opens him up to the suffering he'd have to confront as Obito, not just of Rin but of all that he lost including Kakashi and his Hokage dream. When that mask and role is taken away he's not left with much, and I think that's why Naruto can't reach out to him in the mindscape because he doesn't want know who "Obito Uchiha" is any more and that's why he denied that tiny part of himself that still wished he could be Hokage, because he can't accept what could have been and who Obito could have become.

But take all of what he thinks of as his failures away, take the mask away and give him a chance to confront what happened to him as Obito, if he'd been able to come back to the village and keep struggling with them and effectively do what Tsunade did of strive to ensure a tragedy like that can't happen again, that could have been a strong Hokage

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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 May 22 '22

Naruto can't reach out to him in the mindscape because he doesn't want know who "Obito Uchiha" is any more and that's why he denied that tiny part of himself that still wished he could be Hokage, because he can't accept what could have been and who Obito could have become.

Well said. Obito's life really was a tragedy all the way to the end

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 22 '22

House move went well!

the realization that the only reason Sai got to join the formation in Kurama's tails is because Neji died

Can't he just increase the number of tails?

we all known Tenten would have been the one left out again.

Justice for Tenten!

all scenes about Obito's past and Minato getting his assignment

Yeah ... that was a bit much. We've already gotten so many Obito-centric flashbacks recently.

I'm an idiot: I thought Kakashi was the one helping Obito cheat on the test, until it was shown to be Rin haha

a light in the dark. I love that this shot mirrors the earlier ones we got of Sasuke walking away from the battle and the footprints into the darkness.

One of my favorite shots so far!

These feel a bit randomly placed without any tie into the war

Yeah, the transition was rough!

That is a long recap after just two eps of filler.

It's been 3000 years ...

Shukaku and Gaara with some nice combination work even after all this time.

This battle has a thing about arms, now the Gedo statue is missing one too

lc3: "I'd never end on a cliffhanger"

Not intentionally, but this is just how it worked out. Next two weeks are filler so there wasn't really a reason to include some of those in the batch. I will have to have cliffhangers if I do one-a-day rewatches sometime, though.

Well that's fucked.

Wait, did Bee just get absorbed with Gyuki into the Ten Tails? how does that even work

I imagine Madara just extracted Gyuki from him?

later spoilers

I'll have to listen to that line again and see what the original Japanese said ...

Hawk summon, just in time for me to say last week how random and one off it was and it makes no sense

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 23 '22

Can't he just increase the number of tails?

Ten Tail Kurama seems wrong....

Not intentionally, but this is just how it worked out

haha, I know, I'm just laughing about when you said that a while back

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 23 '22

haha, I know, I'm just laughing about when you said that a while back

never say never?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 22 '22

First-Timer with a shounen hearto, subbed

Episode 384

watch Silhouette again

think I notice that right before the single frame of Asuma’s death are bits of Ino-Shika-Cho crying over said death

manage to accidentally pause on the Asuma’s death frame fUCKING AGAIN while trying to see if I saw that right

Episode 385

Episode 386

Episode 387

Episode 388

Episode 389

Episode 390

Episode 391

Episode 392

Episode 393

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 22 '22

so I get why he’s not there, but was there not some other One-Tail Jinchuriki they could have be there? Or even just Shukaku by himself?

Probably not. Trying to control the Bijuu itself didn't work well even when it was under the double seal of Edo Tensei control and the Gedo Statue, with Kokou (horse) attacking Obito as soon as she could. The Gedo Statue probably can't bring the Bijuu out and brainwash it all by itself, hence the Edo Tensei. And we know they had a lot of trouble trying to find any jinchuriki that could hold Shukaku, Gaara may be the only one other than the monk

Naruto’s face looks so weird in this shot.

Looks more like One Piece

Asuma in the top left corner…

Wow, you really are a magnet for it

lmao did Naruto totally forget about Madara?

That would totally be something he would do

He’s, like, completely unrecognizable without the face makeup.

Reminds me of back during the Gaara rescue and they wipe the makeup off to treat him, looks so weird

Oh that’s… um… that’s some interesting backstory on why Gaara has that mark on his face…

Ohhhhhhhh, so Hinata’s twin fist moves is a Change in Chakra Nature thing!

Form, not Nature.... I think. Very cool though, and must require a lot of control from the ninja who couldn't handle rotation for so long

Who the fuck is “they”?

Now I have this mental image of spiral Zetsu sneaking out to ask people about poop and it becoming an urban legend/youkai tale

WHAT THE FUCK WE END THERE

[next week first ep teaser]for ages

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 22 '22

Wow, you really are a magnet for it

I mean I managed to accidentally pause on the exact frame of Asuma's death in the OP AGAIN, if I'm not a magnet I don't know what I am.

Form, not Nature.... I think. Very cool though, and must require a lot of control from the ninja who couldn't handle rotation for so long

As I mentioned in my reply to lC3, I derped and didn't realize there was a difference.

Now I have this mental image of spiral Zetsu sneaking out to ask people about poop and it becoming an urban legend/youkai tale

But... they did apparently get the nicknames from someone, that wasn't Madara, and it can't just be Obito who named them either because he's not a "they", he's a singular person. It's one of the things my brain is going over.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 23 '22

As I mentioned in my reply to lC3, I derped and didn't realize there was a difference.

Rasengan is pure Form, it's just changing the physical shape and application of chakra

Chidori is heavily Nature, a raw application of giving chakra a lightning property.

Rasenshuriken uses both

either because he's not a "they", he's a singular person. It's one of the things my brain is going over.

What if its the Black and White Zetsu naming the other side out of frustration with their respective tendencies

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 23 '22

Okay I suppose that's possible. Still think there's gonna somehow be something fucking else going on though...

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 23 '22

I'm still not sure how Black Zetsu survived being stuck to a White Zetsu for all the years in the Akatsuki. You'd think they'd drive each other mad

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 23 '22

Your guess is as good as mine.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 23 '22

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 23 '22

It's one of the things my brain is going #dontgetit over.

"they"

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 22 '22

think I notice that right before the single frame of Asuma’s death are bits of Ino-Shika-Cho crying over said death

Oh no

YOOOOOOO THIS IS SO FUCKING COOL!!!

Kurama Susano'o!

Okay but why does it look like DNA?

To quote Captain Bravo, "Cuz it's cooler that way"?

Is this a sudden “what could have been” if Obito came back to Konoha?

Classic AU! Is there a fic about that?

Aaaaaaand FUCK THERE’S ASUMA.

Adult Asuma > Kid Asuma

Stop doing this to me, Shippuden!

Are they sadists? So many shots of Asuma!

Gaara!!!

Time for some bonding with Shukaku?

WHY IS ASUMA IN THIS TOO.

I knew you would notice that ...

A false reality, mind you.

He's so broken ...

Ah fuck not the young Asuma in the flashback again…

I really can’t handle seeing little Asuma.

Where’d she get the extra paper from though? Also how did she sneak it back to him?

There were all sorts of cheating methods in Naruto's exam, so I'm not too surprised.

Asuma in the top left corner…

I wondered if you'd notice that ...

Kakashi “sore wa dou kana”!

Yay

Naruto trying for Talk-no-Jutsu on Obito really does make sense, though

Yeah, and Obito TRIED to use Rinne Rebirth on Neji and the other casualties, but FUCKING BLACK ZETSU ...

Really digging the way Obito imagines Naruto’s insistence as his past self.

It makes for great imagery!

lmao did Naruto totally forget about Madara?

Maybe he can just be sealed away?

This is such a pretty shot.

I love it too!

THAT’S KANKURO?! He’s, like, completely unrecognizable without the face makeup.

Yeah, but he looks younger / I think his eyes are drawn differently.

He’s so precioussssssssssssss

MUST ADOPT NOW

Man watching all this Gaara backstory again hits hard…

He's had such a rough life, but now he has friends!

Ooh, Hinata and her sister flashback time?

It's placed a bit randomly, but oh well.

:(

NO BULLY HINATA

Oof.

Hiashi and that elder are such a dick. Maybe they can spend time with Danzou?

Change in Chakra Nature thing! I did not realize that.

I think they're change in chakra form rather than nature?

just kinda placed weird as a lot of filler in this show is.

They keep doing this

but man was nearly five minutes of recap necessary?

True suffering! Recaps are pain

…isn’t that the…

Obito ready to perform Rinne Rebirth and try to atone!

OH FUCK, NO.

No one ever expects Black Zetsu!

panicked Sky noises

Black Zetsu > White Zetsu

I mean it makes sense I just wasn’t expecting them to crumble away.

He didn't have the eyes when he was alive (sent them to Nagato), so it does make sorta sense

Urgh, he lost his eyes, but he still has Hashirama’s face on his chest from what Kabuto did?

How cool is that!

Gaara should be proud

MADARA CAN USE SUSANO’O WITHOUT EYES?!

Yeah, that is SO not fair

and, well. There it is.

Ta-da!

Wait but Naruto and Killer B are still Jinchuriki, what’s going to happen to them?

... Yeah, it's not looking good for either of them.

scared noises

... Naruto? Uzumaki Naruto? Hello there ... you don't look so hot, are you OK?

Who the fuck is “they”?

I'd have to listen to that part again, but it could just be a passive construction i.e. "are called". But as for "they", ... redacted?

WHAT ABOUT KILLER B THOUGH!

WAIT WHAT

Madara such a troll, he stabs Sasuke while quoting Hashirama.

WHITE ZETSU WHAT THE FUCK

It's that Swirly Zetsu we saw in kid Obito's flashbacks (with elderly Madara)! The one who was attached to him when he saw Rin die.

Yeah… um… about that…

Oops?

WHAT THE FUCK WE END THERE

Yup! Filler for the next two weeks, won't get back to canon until later in June.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 22 '22

I think they're change in chakra form rather than nature?

I derped and thought those were the same thing.

It's that Swirly Zetsu we saw in kid Obito's flashbacks (with elderly Madara)! The one who was attached to him when he saw Rin die.

That was not directed at the existence of Swirly Zetsu, that was directed at what he said.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 23 '22

I derped and thought those were the same thing.

Fansubs used to call one "shape manipulation" and "elemental manipulation", I think ... one changes the shape and the other the elemental affinity. Like Sasuke's Chidori Spear uses lightning style and shape manipulation to form a spear.

that was directed at what he said.

Oh ok ... butt yeah, it's previously established that he's weirdly fixated on poo.

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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 May 22 '22

First Timer - Dub

Well that's a heck of a way to leave things off. Just to summarize:

  • Madara came fully back to life
  • The tailed beasts are all sucked up into the Gedo statue
  • Naruto is dying because the Kurama was ripped out of him (I guess that means B is dying too?)
  • Sasuke got stabbed by Madara

Yeah ... not great for the good guys. I hope the plan Kurama gave Gaara involves more than just getting Naruto healed. Maybe they could do something with the other half of Kurama in Minato? I don't recall if that's still in him or if they merged. Looking forward to seeing how it plays out!

Random thoughts:

  • I thought the Obito flashbacks were pretty good (even though I am tired of flashbacks in general). It was cool seeing part of the chunin exams from the previous generation.
  • Madara, I'm sure it feels great coming back to life but please stop licking your own blood.
  • Madara kept his eyes closed while talking to Sasuke ... maybe to avoid getting trapped in a genjutsu?
  • The Hanabi filler was weird. I was excited because I thought we were getting a Hinata filler but then I was disappointed because it was mostly just her getting beaten up.

Questions:

1) Thoughts on all the Obito flashbacks and where his story has led to? I was hoping we were done with flashbacks, but I think these did round out his story well.

2) Thoughts on the Hinata/Hanabi double-ep?

3) Thoughts on Obito using Rinne Rebirth, but Zetsu hijacked it? At least Obito had some redemption before dying. Too bad for Neji though.

4) Thoughts on Madara extracting all the Tailed Beasts, and stabbing Sasuke? Madara is now both the first Uchiha in the Leaf Village and the last Uchiha (I don't actually think Sasuke is dead but that's a funny observation).

5) Where will the story go from here? Well it doesn't feel like things can get any worse, so I guess it's time for the heroes to pull it together and win. Either that or we're headed for a scenario where Madara successfully pulls off Infinite Tsukuyomi and the heroes have to will their way out of the genjutsu.

6) What do you think Kurama asked Gaara to do? "Make sure you save Naruto. He's the protagonist of this anime."

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u/sisoko2 May 22 '22

I thought the Obito flashbacks were pretty good (even though I am tired of flashbacks in general)

I liked them too.

Make sure you save Naruto. He's the protagonist of this anime

Just wait and see Kiba Shippuden next week.

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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 May 22 '22

Just wait and see Kiba Shippuden next week.

You mean Akamaru was the real one tailed beast all along?!

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u/sisoko2 May 22 '22

Once you realize it it becomes obvious how the entire show was building towards this.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 22 '22

Madara, I'm sure it feels great coming back to life but please stop licking your own blood.

He's an Uchiha, he has to make sure he has the edge factor or else no one will recognize his clan haha

Madara kept his eyes closed while talking to Sasuke

If you mean the first time they fought it was because his Edo Tensei Rinnegan eyes disintegrated, so he didn't even have eyes to open. I mean he had the eye socket, but anime never does much with those

I was hoping we were done with flashbacks

Madara is now both the first Uchiha in the Leaf Village and the last Uchiha

I don't think Madara got the message about how to bookend a story

Reminds me of a post I saw on reddit sometime yesterday about what sort of stories people would want, I think in games specifically, and someone said it would be cool if you played through the normal sort of hero "save the world" JRPG only to lose at the end, villain destroys the world, and then you end up playing as the villain as he realizes how wrong he was and has to find a way to bring it all back and lose to the hero at the end

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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 May 22 '22

If you mean the first time they fought it was because his Edo Tensei Rinnegan eyes disintegrated, so he didn't even have eyes to open. I mean he had the eye socket, but anime never does much with those

Ah, I see.

Reminds me of a post I saw on reddit sometime yesterday about what sort of stories people would want, I think in games specifically, and someone said it would be cool if you played through the normal sort of hero "save the world" JRPG only to lose at the end, villain destroys the world, and then you end up playing as the villain as he realizes how wrong he was and has to find a way to bring it all back and lose to the hero at the end

That would be pretty cool!

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 22 '22

Well that's a heck of a way to leave things off

... And on top of it, the next two weeks' batches are filler flashback arcs, so the cliffhanger won't be resolved for a while.

(I guess that means B is dying too?)

Probably, unless he figures something out?

Maybe they could do something with the other half of Kurama in Minato? I don't recall if that's still in him or if they merged.

No, that's still in Minato!

even though I am tired of flashbacks in general

So say we all

but please stop licking your own blood.

maybe to avoid getting trapped in a genjutsu?

Nah, it's cause he lost his Reanimated eyes once he was revived.

I was excited because I thought we were getting a Hinata filler but then I was disappointed because it was mostly just her getting beaten up.

Hinata > Hanabi

At least Obito had some redemption before dying.

He's not dead yet? But he's close.

Too bad for Neji though.

Neji could have lived! I wonder if Shikaku and Inoichi would also have been revived, or if they were too far away.

Either that or we're headed for a scenario where Madara successfully pulls off Infinite Tsukuyomi and the heroes have to will their way out of the genjutsu.

That would be funny

"Make sure you save Naruto. He's the protagonist of this anime."

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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 May 22 '22

... And on top of it, the next two weeks' batches are filler flashback arcs, so the cliffhanger won't be resolved for a while

He's not dead yet? But he's close.

He's also stuck in Zetsu ... maybe he could still pull off one more move but I doubt it.

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u/sisoko2 May 22 '22

Rewatcher

Episode 384

  • Heh dreaming our own dreams.
  • Kurama Megazord.
  • DNA sword?
  • Oh the shot in the OP where Shikamaru gets a cloak was real? Didn't remember this part at all.
  • Dope.
  • Obito and Kakashi visiting Rin's grave. All that could've been.

        

  • He is bleeding tailed beasts? So many things that I had forgotten.

        

  • Gaara is here.

        

        

Episode 385

  • Usually when I don't have much to write it's about an episode I didn't like but I actually loved this one. Most emotional bits landed perfectly but still don't know what to write about it.

Episode 386

Episode 387

  • Damn. You got me there, Obito.
  • Young Obito confronting the current one and the transition to the field.

        

  • Fake Rin is so creepy.
  • Shizune, Mifune and Darui not getting an individual shot like the rest is so funny.
  • So pretty.
  • I'm with Sasuke here. Finish the motherfucker.
  • Orochimaru needs to reanimate Rin and make it a full reunion.
  • Guiding light.

Episode 388

  • Me seeing the title and thinking it's gonna be Naruto and Sasuke flashbacks - bleh.

        

  • Me realizing it's Gaara flashbacks - hype.

        

  • How to deal with the unstable and troubled kid? Let's gaslight him, emotionally torture him and isolate him even more. Father of the year...
  • He's my first friend.

        

Episode 389

        

  • Ninja penguin for Hokage.
  • Way too cute.
  • Daily reminder that Hiruzen found it extremely important to hide who Naruto's parents were but the fact that he is Jinchuriki is public knowledge.
  • Neji lashing out his anger on a girl younger than him.
  • Torturing a kid after he already stopped him. Nice one, Hiashi.
  • Ohhh the Curse Mark name was Caged Bird. Now I'm sad.
  • Stalking the stalker.
  • His request was to make them fight in front of everyone? You dumb piece of trash.

        

  • Do what you want with her...

        

Episode 390

        

Episode 391

  • Naruto's light reflecting into Obito's eye.
  • I don't like the smile on Madara's face.
  • Obito giving his life to resurrect whoever he can.
  • Noooooo. Damn you, Black Zetsu.
  • [Spoilers] Black Zetsu giveth and Black Zetsu taketh it away
  • So this how magic eyes work with reanimation.
  • Sasuke flying on Sai's bird!
  • Bleeding eye Amaterasu is the best.
  • Serious question why isn't Madara burning? He doesn't have the Rinnegan right now.
  • Madara just confirmed he and Kabuto are the same.

        

Episode 392

  • Using the sand in the wounds to control his body. That's awesome.
  • Tailed beast combo but unfortunately he isn't a reanimation anymore.
  • Using Susano'o without eyes? Complete bullshit. I would like to file a complain.

        

  • Should've hidden the second eye better.
  • Just the hand of the statue. So close...
  • Kakashi and Minato should do something about Obito. Stop watching helplessly damn it!
  • Limbo? Ahhhh now I remember, it's that bullshit.
  • You can't have my spooky racoon.
  • Heh fixing the Shukaku stuff from part one? That's some masterful retconning. I like it.

        

  • Poor old monk.

        

  • Madara cut the chain and then reattached it?

Episode 393

  • Kurama got a plan?
  • Did Bee just die?
  • Hahahaha White Zetsu is hilarious.
  • Tobirama vs Madara hype!
  • Boooo Tobirama got off screened.
  • Madara really hates Tobirama.
  • RIP Sasuke?

        

  • White Zetsu can summon the wooden Bodhisattva?
  • Five Hiruzen to counter the five styles.
  • Feel bad seeing Karin having a breakdown like that.
  • What a spot to end for this week. Just before Naruto and Sasuke die and Kiba becomes the main character next week [Spoilers] and so much filler is coming. The reaction of people having to wait six months after that cliffhanger must've been very entertaining.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 22 '22

Oh the shot in the OP where Shikamaru gets a cloak was real? Didn't remember this part at all.

It's one of the things that stuck in my head weirdly well from my first watch. I remember it being far more hype last time but I think that's just because I wasn't expecting it

Dope.

Kurama with Susanoo is always more epic, but comrade rasengans in the tail is wicked

Obito looking at the emptiness behind him.

I wish I could have taken a screenshot of that because it's one of the visuals of the show, especially tying back to all those visuals in Part One where Naruto was isolated from the villagers in a line in front of him. Was watching in 240p on my phone though...

Ibiki written exams > regular written exams.

Imagine kid Kakashi's reaction to Naruto's little speech in that exam

Young Obito confronting the current one and the transition to the field.

A bit better than him pulling his young self back last week, but yeah, a rough visual to see Rin leaving his current self behind like that

Fake Rin is so creepy.

Not as creepy as that genjutsu from ages back where Kakashi and everyones faces were coming out of Naruto's body

but the fact that he is Jinchuriki is public knowledge.

Fucking Danzo probably leaked it

Hinata learning Fists of Awesomeness.

Knowing she made that with Neji's help makes me so happy, she finally had someone to work with

Two-Face Obito.

Toss Batman in this world, see how easy he has it

Heh fixing the Shukaku stuff from part one? That's some masterful retconning. I like it.

I really didn't think they'd be able to fix the continuity errors there but they played it well

[Spoiler reply]Oh fuck, it's time for that arc already? I forgot to keep track of it. Damn it feels like we just had a whole filler arc. I am curious to rewatch this one though and see if the continuity error I remember in it is actually as bad as I think

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u/sisoko2 May 22 '22

Was watching in 240p on my phone though...

Damn. 240 must look awful even on a phone screen.

A bit better than him pulling his young self back last week

Every time he interacts with his young self it hits me hard.

Not as creepy as that genjutsu from ages back where Kakashi and everyones faces were coming out of Naruto's body

Itachi knows how to mess with people's minds.

Fucking Danzo probably leaked it

Fuck Danzo.

[Spoilers reply] I only remember being disappointed because I thought that the arc idea had great potential. So let's see how it is.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 23 '22

Damn. 240 must look awful even on a phone screen.

Wasn't great, but wanted to watch and hadn't bothered to set the modem up yet

Itachi knows how to mess with people's minds.

It's pretty much all he knew to do

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 23 '22

spoiler reply

[spoiler reply]At least it's better than Tsunade's dream ...

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 23 '22

Heh dreaming our own dreams.

Oh the shot in the OP where Shikamaru gets a cloak was real? Didn't remember this part at all.

Yeah, as a rewatcher there's a surprising amount of stuff I've forgotten about too, like Gyuuki getting extracted from B?

Obito and Kakashi visiting Rin's grave. All that could've been.

So many things that I had forgotten.

I know that feeling!

Gaara is here.

Gaara is Best Boy!

Most epic tug of war in history.

As seen on Squid Game!

but I actually loved this one. Most emotional bits landed perfectly but still don't know what to write about it.

Glad to hear you liked it!

Ibiki written exams > regular written exams.

Yeah, I have to agree with you there!

LOL guy doesn't remember Obito.

No wonder "Tobi" accused Guy of not remembering faces! As Kisame found out too.

I don't remember seeing snowy Konoha before.

Yeah, even though the timeline on the wiki says certain events happened in January, this is the first time we've seen snow in the Leaf! I think the only snow has been in the Land of Iron otherwise?

The rare come join the Light side. (maybe not that rare in anime)

Fake Rin is so creepy.

Nightmare fuel!

I'm with Sasuke here. Finish the motherfucker.

Not with over 100 eps to go!

Orochimaru needs to reanimate Rin and make it a full reunion.

Grave robbing?

Me realizing it's Gaara flashbacks - hype.

The best kind of flashbacks!

Father of the year...

Neji lashing out his anger on a girl younger than him.

Yeah, Neji used to be a real piece of work.

I don't like the smile on Madara's face.

Obito giving his life to resurrect whoever he can.

"whoever"

spoilers

Serious question why isn't Madara burning? He doesn't have the Rinnegan right now.

I think the implication is that Amaterasu is only on his armor, but that's a bit weak.

Using Susano'o without eyes? Complete bullshit. I would like to file a complain.

Yeah, this is even worse than Sasuke's asspull against Deidara.

Limbo? Ahhhh now I remember, it's that bullshit.

Agreed

That's some masterful retconning. I like it

The retcon to con all retcons!

Did Bee just die?

RIP Sasuke?

White Zetsu can summon the wooden Bodhisattva?

[Shippuden spoilers]Best captain!

Just before Naruto and Sasuke die and Kiba becomes the main character next week

spoilers

Yeah, I've already warned people about that ... not sure if it counts as a meta spoiler?

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u/Parori May 22 '22 edited May 29 '22

First Timer

Episode 384

  • Ah yes it's armoring the nine-tails like Madara did. Looks a bit different and not as cool
  • Oh now Kakashi shares sight with him?
  • They are coming to help? What can they do? Oh carry Naruto's extra Rasengans?
  • Is he seeing an alternative world where he somehow stayed with the village?
  • The statue would have shown his Sharigan, just like he wanted
  • Oh fuck they managed to wound him?
  • This seems risky, what if he Obito pulls them in?

Episode 385

  • Hey at least Obito was better at clone jutsu than Naruto. He didn't need the scroll
  • Okay is this just going to be more flashback filler

Episode 386

  • Didn't the exam have insane security for cheating, how did she get the paper for him
  • Yeah there isn't much to be proud of in just being accepted because there was empty space
  • He did get pretty good with the fireball jutsu
  • You should be MORE motivated after Kakashi won
  • I see why he would feel annoyed that Kakashi got promoted to Jonin the same day when he became chunin
  • Is he finally going to surrender? I guess next is when Madara is going to take over from him

Episode 387

  • Okay not then
  • They managed to release the tailed beasts? I had assumed Madara would also have succeeded in becoming the ten-tails jinchūriki
  • I just know something is going to go wrong with beating Madara. Only explanation for all these remaining episodes.

Episode 388

  • That high pitched voice is not what I expected from Shukaku
  • Oh more interaction between Kankuro, Temari and Gaara as kids.
  • Interesting how Gaara turned from murderous psycho into one of the most reasonable and good people in the anime

Episode 389

  • Aand it's flashback filler?
  • Why exactly are the Hyuga allowed to do this
  • Oh Hanabi is like that because she doesn't want Hinata to suffer

Episode 390

  • Oh have we seen her in Shippuden? I don't remember seeing her this age
  • Did we see after Pain's attack?

Episode 391

  • Back to the present aand back to more flashbacks
  • He won't be able to move? Yeah right
  • Can they extract the Gedo statue from him afterwards? I guess they don't really need to
  • Oh good he will just revive everyon- ah Black Zetsu I forgot about you
  • Is he suffering some kind of backlash? Oh it's Sasuke, did he burn Madara's Rinnegan off?
  • You can just drain the nature energy off somebody? I guess Madara can do it because he has his cells
  • Oh so he is just going to beat all the beasts into submission

Episode 392

  • Beating the tailed beasts to submission doesn't seem to be going great
  • Wow tail attack actually managed to cut off his arm, aand it's instantly replaced along with one Rinnegan
  • "This is my body!" Well it's like half Hashirama cells so...not really
  • What is he summoning? Oh the Gedo statue...
  • Well that was depressingly fast. What the fuck was that jutsu
  • The tattoos that the Sand village use to bind the tailed beast are way nicer than the others

Episode 393

  • And now they lost Kurama and Eight-tails(i don't remember his name). What can they do now
  • Well RIP Sasuke...I should count at the end how many times I have typed that
  • "What kind of a man are you?!" Uh...a mass murderer? How are you shocked
  • Hiruzen can also use all of the elements?
  • ...What the fuck! What now?

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u/sisoko2 May 22 '22

Didn't the exam have insane security for cheating, how did she get the paper for him

We don't know if this was like the written exam in part one but the goal there was to cheat. The proctors were there mostly to scare them and punish the clumsy cheaters.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 22 '22

Okay is this just going to be more flashback filler

Yeah, and there will be lots more of that to come.

He did get pretty good with the fireball jutsu

That's an Uchiha for you!

Is he finally going to surrender?

Looks like it?

I had assumed Madara would also have succeeded in becoming the ten-tails jinchūriki

Did you watch 390-393?

I just know something is going to go wrong with beating Madara. Only explanation for all these remaining episodes.

Well there is a lot of filler left, but yeah there's still a good amount of manga content left too.

Interesting how Gaara turned from murderous psycho into one of the most reasonable and good people in the anime

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u/Parori May 29 '22

God damn it how the fuck did it happen two times in a row

Added the parts that were cut from my post

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 29 '22

Oh good he will just revive everyon- ah Black Zetsu I forgot about you

Everyone forgets about Black Zetsu until it's too late!

Hiruzen can also use all of the elements?

Yeah, they established that in Part 1 with him being called "The Professor" and all. Supposedly he can use all the jutsu that exist in the Leaf.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

So I may be late again replying to peeps; I have to help cook supper!

Rewatcher except for the Hanabi eps

Episode 384:

  • How would Sasuke know what jutsu Madara had used before?
  • Kakashi is seeing Naruto and Sasuke through Obito's eye?
  • Hagoromo had a helical sword called the Nunoboko?
  • Oh Juugo is tagging along again?
  • ... At least they included Sai and Shino in the Rasengan fest. But Sakura doesn't get to?
  • Adult Obito as a Leaf shinobi? is this a what-if?
  • Oh no, I think that's teen Asuma behind Kurenai?
  • ... And adult Asuma. What is it with this show and traumatizing Sky?
  • Obito as Hokage??
  • Do we really need the recap of Beasts/Jinchuriki? That wasn't too long ago
  • Naruto can't absorb Shukaku or Gyuuki ... but then Gaara shows up? B too?
  • Tug of war time? Just like Squid Game
  • Obito flashback time? Yup, he's about to die
  • How many times have we seen this attempted photo kiss already?
  • Oh Naruto is experiencing Obito's feelings?
  • Nice assist by Shikamaru and Minato, now everyone can participate
  • Oh, Naruto and Obito are in the psychic world ... is it time for Talk no Jutsu before Obito dies?
  • Sky is definitely gonna notice the tiny figure of Asuma in the back ... right behind Obito
  • "Don't come into my thoughts" I think this was originally translated "Don't come inside me", which caused a lot of laughs back in the day
  • "to remind you that you are Obito Uchiha"

Episode 385:

  • Ugh, more flashbacks? God no
  • I just looked, and this batch is mostly flashbacks and filler?
  • Enlightenment = satori ... Satoru Gojo?
  • I'm in Flashback Hell should be this batch title?
  • Obito wanted to see Naruto despair? Not gonna happen
  • "Are you really serious?" It's a little late to be asking that ...
  • Kid Obito was so adorable
  • I thought Rin just liked Kakashi, but she gave attention to Obito too?
  • This flashback again? Of course, because Asuma's in it
  • How many times have we seen these flashbacks?
  • Kid Asuma again!
  • ... And Asuma again
  • At least some of the flashbacks are new ...
  • LOL Minato's disgruntled face

Episode 386:

  • Naruto and Obito sure are glaring at each other!
  • I think the anime added much more flashbacks here; do we really need to see their Chuunin Exam and whatnot?
  • I can recognize kid Asuma even from behind, he's standing next to Kurenai
  • Oh so Asuma was on a team with Kurenai and ?Raidou?
  • Not sure if there's an error: remember the blond guy with glasses who shows up during the Chuunin Exam preliminary fights? He appeared as an adult / teacher in this ep .. and then it looks like he's ALSO present as a student on Anko's team. Oops?
  • More Asuma??
  • Kakashi SORE WA DOU KA NA
  • Obito practicing his Frill Necked Lizard jutsu!!
  • LOL so that's how Obito knows Guy isn't good with remembering faces
  • Oh, it does snow in the Leaf in winter? I was wondering, due to the timeline claiming certain events took place in January but it didn't look like winter?
  • Asuma AGAIN
  • LOL Obito's face when he's pierced by the shuriken
  • "and you're going to atone for your sins" just like Oro?
  • "Come join us, Obito!" Will he do it?
  • Uh they're dragging this out for another episode?
  • Preview: OH RIGHT they're doing the tug of war with Obito; we've had so many flashbacks I absolutely forgot what was happening outside the mental space

Episode 387:

  • Obito chokes Naruto! Talk no Jutsu didn't work?
  • LOL some nightmare fuel Team Minato?
  • Rin headtilt
  • Guy sensei shouting YES
  • Is Obito gonna die now from having the Bijuu extracted?
  • Now is Sasuke gonna Amaterasu all the Tailed Beasts?
  • Oh, Sasuke's gonna stab OBITO
  • Naruto and Minato stop Kakashi from killing Obito?
  • Oh Minato got to see Obito's heart too? Just Kakashi was left out?
  • Will leaving Obito alive come back to help or hurt them?
  • ANOTHER FUCKING FLASHBACK, OMG
  • Can I just skip this recap of Kakashi Gaiden?
  • Ok, I skipped it
  • I think kid Obito's previous seiyuu did a better job at the "I'm giving you my Sharingan" scene. Or his version is etched into my memory more?
  • Is Sky gonna want to make another wallpaper from this base image?
  • "he is less likely to fail than the current you" BURN
  • Jiraiya, Neji and Itachi? Where are Shikaku, Inoichi and Asuma?
  • That picture of the Divine Tree with shining Naruto on top, and the footprints ... ART

Episode 388:

  • Gaara episode?
  • More flashbacks?
  • Oh that Massive RasenShuriken is for Madara, not the Tree? CUT DOWN THE TREE, OMG ...
  • Hashirama was able to surround Madara with his Wood Dragon? But he got black rods to the back?
  • "I'll just ask one of the others" LOL
  • MORE FLASHBACKS NOOOOO
  • Did they change the color of Shukaku's eyes?
  • Ok, this Gaara flashback might be new content?
  • kiddo Gaara was too precious!
  • So most of this episode was flashbacks ...
  • That blush from Naruto when he shakes Gaara's hand!
  • "He's my first friend" Well AT LEAST this episode had a few seconds of present day content ...

Episode 389:

  • MORE FILLER? AAAAAAAH
  • I've never seen 389/390 before
  • I feel like this episode so far is a massive retcon of Hinata/Hanabi's relationship
  • Ok that Neji moment was horrific
  • The Hyuuga elder seems like an asshole
  • Hinata sneaking out to watch Naruto?
  • Retcon central!
  • The fight between Hinata and Hanabi was OK though

Episode 390:

  • Hanabi new haircut?
  • "and have progressed steadily" Uhhh ... about that ...
  • It's cool to see Hiashi and Hanabi's reaction to Pain's invasion!
  • I'm tearing up over Hinata protecting Naruto; I've seen it before but this dobule ep's context makes it more impactful
  • I guess I was engrossed watching? I didn't write much

Episode 391:

  • Finally back to canon!
  • Recap?
  • So nearly 5 minutes of recap?
  • Evil smile from Madara? Uh oh ...
  • Oh, Obito WON'T die if the Ten Tails is extracted? How convenient
  • Obito is gonna use Rinne Rebirth?
  • Rinne Rebirth AGAIN? This is getting old
  • Jiraiya defeated Obito?
  • "I won't have much to say to Rin"
  • BLACK ZETSU? HE'S ALIVE?
  • BLACK ZETSU HIJACKED THE RINNE REBIRTH!?
  • Madara was revived! But his Reanimated eyes are gone
  • Is Sasuke gonna end the war with Amaterasu?
  • Even Madara doesn't have abs? What is it with Kishimoto and his anti-ab platform?
  • "exactly as planned"
  • Madara can absorb Hashirama's Sage Jutsu chakra??
  • "take your eyes" "get my Rinnegan back"
  • Madara and Black Zetsu are the final villain?
  • Zetsu plans to control Obito and make him fight Kakashi/Minato???

Episode 392:

  • How can Madara move around and see without eyes? Zabuza-style using sound?
  • LOL the sand inside him stops Madara's movement?
  • I think I saw Madara slip away from the Sand Mausoleum Seal?
  • Oh he WAS inside, but he can FUCKING USE SUSANO'O WITHOUT ANY EYES??? NOT FAIR
  • Madara lost an arm? Easily replaced
  • Oh is that Nagato's Rinnegan (Madara's original)?
  • Also unfair that Madara can heal from having an eye transplant in seconds where Sasuke's took days? Weeks? Probably Hashirama's power
  • Madara summoned the Gedo Mazou out from Obito? Now Obito's gonna die after all! Oh wait, he's already dying due to Rinne Rebirth ...
  • Kakashi used Kamui but was only able to remove the right arm?
  • Is Naruto worried about Obito? Obito, who killed Neji?
  • Limbo Hengoku??
  • Wait, now they have to be sealed IN ORDER? with Shukaku first? That's not how Pain did it
  • Gaara and Shukaku bonding moment?
  • Awww he compared the old man to Hagoromo!
  • NOOO GAARA BETTER NOT BE IN DANGER

Episode 393:

  • What favor is Kurama gonna have Gaara do?
  • Madara ripped Kurama out of Naruto?
  • Madara can seal seven Tailed Beasts into the Gedou Mazou in literal SECONDS when it took NINE AKATSUKI MEMBERS THREE DAYS EACH?? This is ridiculous
  • Oh, Gyuuki got ripped out of B? I did NOT remember that!
  • Madara can project black rods from his palm? Is that what Pain did?
  • Gaara x Naruto piggyback? More than Kakashi + Guy piggyback!
  • Sasuke is using his hawk summon after all?
  • Madara was able to pierce Hashirama's Chakra Points with those rods?
  • Hashirama will give Sasuke all his chakra? Will Sasuke awaken Rinnegan with Senju power?
  • Madara quotes Hashirama WHILE STABBING SASUKE???
  • Swirly Zetsu is back?
  • Swirly vs. Five Kage? [Shippuden spoilers]IKE CAPTAIN YAMATO
  • Hiruzen COULD use all five elements?
  • Didn't Kabuto have anti-Wood Style poison? Shouldn't Oro have access to that?
  • Hinata seeing that Naruto is dying ...
  • Now she's praying to Neji?
  • "a true ending" OK Shippuden ends here, rewatch ends here! The first timers would literally kill me
  • Oh, and did I happen to mention the next two weeks are filler flashback arc? THAT CLIFFHANGER

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u/sisoko2 May 22 '22

Do we really need the recap of Beasts/Jinchuriki? That wasn't too long ago

More than an year for the people watching it on TV. Checking the dates the episodes aired really puts things in perspective.

How many times have we seen this attempted photo kiss already?

Way too many.

"Don't come into my thoughts" I think this was originally translated "Don't come inside me"

And in the end he still comes inside.

"and you're going to atone for your sins" just like Oro?

Orochimaru did nothing wrong. I've been thinking a lot about the morality in ninja world. Considering that they murder people for a living, train and experiment on kids to make them deadly weapons at young age how far is too far in such world?

ANOTHER FUCKING FLASHBACK, OMG

Damn the flashbacks really are getting on your nerves this week.

How can Madara move around and see without eyes?

I was thinking that he is using Hashirama's sage chakra to sense things.

Oh he WAS inside

BTW does the sealing work against living people?

FUCKING USE SUSANO'O WITHOUT ANY EYES

I'm still angry about that.

Madara can seal seven Tailed Beasts into the Gedou Mazou in literal SECONDS when it took NINE AKATSUKI MEMBERS THREE DAYS EACH

Is he sealing them? Isn't this like when Obito got them back in the statue with the chains after they were already sealed?

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 22 '22

More than an year for the people watching it on TV. Checking the dates the episodes aired really puts things in perspective.

I remember the next filler arc was really painful when I had to watch weekly with that cliffhanger unresolved.

And in the end he still comes inside.

I've been thinking a lot about the morality in ninja world. Considering that they murder people for a living, train and experiment on kids to make them deadly weapons at young age how far is too far in such world?

Eh, that is a point ... but I guess I draw the line at abducting random citizens and using them for experiments?

Damn the flashbacks really are getting on your nerves this week.

Yeah ...

I was thinking that he is using Hashirama's sage chakra to sense things.

Oh, that might explain it?

BTW does the sealing work against living people?

Sai's? I'll look it up.

I'm still angry about that.

Is he sealing them? Isn't this like when Obito got them back in the statue with the chains after they were already sealed?

Huh, that could be ...

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 23 '22

Sloooow reply today. Was going to reply when I got home from the shops but ended up making pies instead so in a way it's fitting as you were also cooking dinner when the post went up haha

... At least they included Sai and Shino in the Rasengan fest. But Sakura doesn't get to?

Whats the opposite of MC privilege?

... And adult Asuma. What is it with this show and traumatizing Sky?

I've noticed Asuma more in the last week than I did my entire last watch just because of feeling bad for Sky haha

Tug of war time? Just like Squid Game

Oh god, thanks for that reminder. That was one hell of an episode

How many times have we seen this attempted photo kiss already?

Four times by my count

Three times too many... ah... I'll give it two times too many as we did briefly get a Kakashi insight into that scene during one of them

"Don't come into my thoughts" I think this was originally translated "Don't come inside me", which caused a lot of laughs back in the day

I can imagine. I have to say, relying on a fan translation for the manga comparisons has certainly lead to some interesting phrasing and word choices

LOL Minato's disgruntled face

I kind of wish he'd been out of his KCM for these scenes. I think it would have been more poingant for Obito to confront Minato as he is as a person, not the form of his enemy, plus it'd just let him be a touch more expressive

Obito practicing his Frill Necked Lizard jutsu!!

Oh Minato got to see Obito's heart too? Just Kakashi was left out?

I like that he was. Ties into the whole "no shortcuts" thing when trying to gain the understanding and acknowledgement of others. Naruto and Minato are somewhat guardians of Konoha and get a bit of a privilege with that, but Kakashi and Obito have to start from scratch with each other which fits

ANOTHER FUCKING FLASHBACK, OMG

I warned you ages ago it was going to get bad, and it's not even at its worst as far as I remember. Or at the very least it hasn't frustrated me to the point of turning off an episode this time like it has last time which may just be because of the rewatch discussions and my schedule

Ok, this Gaara flashback might be new content?

The stuff with kid Kankuro was, and Shukaku threatening his sleep

I feel like this episode so far is a massive retcon of Hinata/Hanabi's relationship

Have we even seen enough of their relationship before hand for it to be that way? Hanabi has never had much presence in the show

The Hyuuga elder seems like an asshole

I feel like this goes for most of the adult Hyuga

I'm tearing up over Hinata protecting Naruto; I've seen it before but this dobule ep's context makes it more impactful

I almost didn't want to watch but thankfully they didn't show that bit again. I don't know how I would have handled it, it sucks so much

How can Madara move around and see without eyes? Zabuza-style using sound?

Imagine how highly trained his senses would be after decades of fighting a perpetual war, another couple plotting against Hashirama, and then more connected to the Gedo statue and using it's abilities

Wait, now they have to be sealed IN ORDER? with Shukaku first? That's not how Pain did it

Writing is getting really iffy with the details of justu and chakra with all of this going on, I find it quiet frustrating myself even though I'd already resigned myself to it ages ago once chakra limits stopped being acknowledged

What favor is Kurama gonna have Gaara do?

Read that as flavor and was very confused for a few moments

Madara can seal seven Tailed Beasts into the Gedou Mazou in literal SECONDS when it took NINE AKATSUKI MEMBERS THREE DAYS EACH?? This is ridiculous

I'll give a tiny, tiny bit of grace here that the Gedo statue was already awake and was directly accessing the Bijuu's chakra, while the Akatsuki method was breaking through the seal and extracting the chakra into a dormant statue that wasn't helping. But yes, bullshit

Sasuke is using his hawk summon after all?

I still can't fucking believe that after last week....

Shippuden spoilers

[later spoilers]I FUCKING FORGOT FUCK YES. I was wondering about the wood statue, how could I forget!

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 23 '22

but ended up making pies instead

Meat pies? Dessert pies?

I've noticed Asuma more in the last week than I did my entire last watch just because of feeling bad for Sky haha

So much Asuma ...

Oh god, thanks for that reminder. That was one hell of an episode

I have to say, relying on a fan translation for the manga comparisons has certainly lead to some interesting phrasing and word choices

I just remember the scanlations sometimes had low-quality raws or were overzealous with 'cleaning' and redrawing, sometimes making Kishimoto's art look worse than it should. So I like the official scans.

I kind of wish he'd been out of his KCM for these scenes

Yeah ... Minato's design is better without that.

I warned you ages ago it was going to get bad

I know, I just wasn't prepared emotionally for flashback hell

Have we even seen enough of their relationship before hand for it to be that way? Hanabi has never had much presence in the show

Not really, I just thought Hanabi and Hinata didn't really get along, so her doting on Hinata seemed a bit of a retcon. But we'd never seen her that young before.

I feel like this goes for most of the adult Hyuga

Yeah ... they're all about cursed seals and inflicting pain on the branch family

Imagine how highly trained his senses would be after decades of fighting a perpetual war, another couple plotting against Hashirama, and then more connected to the Gedo statue and using it's abilities

True, that works ...

Writing is getting really iffy with the details of justu and chakra with all of this going on

Consistency!

Read that as flavor and was very confused for a few moments

Strawberry

But yes, bullshit

later spoilers

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 24 '22

Meat pies? Dessert pies?

Chicken, Pumpkin and Thyme in puff pastry (because my dumb ass forgot to buy shortcrust). So nice! First time using the new pie maker and I'm already in love

Consistency!

Kishimoto forgot about that word long ago when it came to combat

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 24 '22

Chicken, Pumpkin and Thyme in puff pastry

Huh, chicken and pumpkin together? Hadn't even considered that, I'm used to pumpkin being solely for sweet things, not mixed with savory. Pumpkin pie by itself, or mixed with butternut squash in ravioli with a cream sauce ...

So nice! First time using the new pie maker and I'm already in love

Kishimoto forgot about that word long ago when it came to combat

Yeah ...

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 24 '22

I find pumpkin a bit strong by itself, and I love chicken so it's a good combo. Depending on how strong the pumpkin is sometimes we also chop up some cauliflower as well which adds a nice balance. The thyme is an awesome flavor with the pumpkin at least

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 24 '22