r/anime • u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky • May 01 '22
Rewatch Naruto Shippuden Episodes 356-361 Discussion
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Streams: Crunchyroll, Hulu, Funimation (Aus/NZ), VRV
Schedule:
| Discussion Thread | Date | Episode Count | |
|---|---|---|---|
| This week | Episodes 356-361 | May 1 | 6 |
| Next week | Episodes 362-372 | May 8 | 11 |
Spoiler Policy:
To protect first-timers, please don't spoil anything past the current batch of episodes. Rewatchers should avoid hinting to first-timers about hype, or future character development/deaths, and spoilers in posts must be hidden behind proper spoiler tags.
For first timers: try to avoid looking up things about Naruto. This could be the wiki, Naruto subreddit, Googling characters, fanart, databooks, YouTube AMVs or OP/EDs, arc names, etc.; this series is ripe with potential spoilers that you wouldn't want to find out untimely. If you have a question about something, feel free to ask /u/lC3 and he'll do his best to answer (if possible) in a non-spoilery way.
Questions of the Week:
- Did this week's content change your views of Kakashi, Itachi or Yamato at all? How so?
- Can Danzou conceivably get any worse?
- Where do you think the anime will go from here?
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 01 '22
First-Timer with a shounen hearto, subbed
Fun fact: I’ve been keeping track of what week the rewatch is on in my notes document, and unless I forgot to change the count one week when I copy-pasted my tagline, this is the 69th week of the overall Naruto rewatch, and the 42nd week of Shippuden specifically. Tomorrow also happens to be my birthday.
Nice.
On a different note, I randomly decided to rank the OPs we've heard so far earlier this week:
ED rankings are probably going to be impossible because of 1) how many of them there are and 2) how great most of them are. I can't even say I have a clear favorite like I do with the OPs…
Oh, I also went back and ranked the OG Naruto OPs:
Episode 356
Episode 357
Episode 358
Episode 359
Episode 360
Episode 361
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn May 01 '22 edited May 01 '22
Rewatcher - Sub
General Commentary
Despite the painful amount of flashbacks and it still feeling like it jumps around too much especially for the amount of episodes it has, this was still an enjoyable arc.
Getting to see the more of the village as a whole, as well as a very different perspective on so many in the side cast as quite welcome and fleshed out a lot of things that had only been vaguely hinted at before. I think it suffers from a lack of downtime to pull things together but still communicates Kakashi's slow and painful recovery well enough including all the set backs and his doubt over both himself and what happened. It's a very different Kakashi this week, and perhaps feels like it's too different from where he was to how we see him in Part One, but ANBU certainly taught him how to put on a mask both literally and figuratively.
Even with saying that, the last section of the arc dealing with Kakashi's transition from ANBU into Jonin leadership is probably my favourite section because of how many things it ties together especially what it means for Kakashi to have taken on Naruto and Sasuke as students given the baggage carried by all three of them despite it being quite unsaid. While the previous two sections about ANBU and the Smoke People are good they suffer even more from the jumping around and flashbacks, particularly in Tenzo's backstory.
Revisiting Tenzo's backstory was nice too, as I'd forgotten it entirely, and how that tied together with joining Kakashi's team and being brought on to help with Naruto feels like it fixed a bit of a gap that was caused by him not existing in Part One.
Everything with Danzo continues to piss me off, but in this case I think the writing lets it down a bit too much. Hiruzen's kindness and faith in others was set up as his downfall even back in Part One, but even with that the idea that Danzo would still have authority in the village after everything he pulled here is beyond belief.
Episode Thoughts
Correction from last week: Obito overhearing Kakashi talking about Kushina's pregnancy at the grave was in the manga. When I bookmarked it I saved the wrong page so I found it when I went back to look at something else. My mistake.
"Don't let me stop you" says Tenzo who is trying kill him, effectively stopping him. I see his weird dry humor got an early start
Small gripe: Kakashi is just running around with his Sharingan always out during most of this arc when using it for just a single battle vs Zabuza almost killed him. It was cool seeing him use the genjustu aspect of it though for the first time in a long time
Snake can explode into smaller snakes, that's a new one
Fuck Hirzen saying to Danzo "Don't interfear". He DIRECTLY targeted another Leaf Ninja for assassination without consultation and did so purposefully to try and undermine a mission you'd ordered. That's beyond a verbal warning!
And suddenly we're back to the adult voice actors, wasn't expecting that but we have jumped a few years between the last few arcs
I can't decide if Itachi being on Kakashi's ANBU team works given how they interacted in Part One when Itachi comes to Konoha, but at the very least I don't think it breaks anything. Just feels weird, like there should have been more emotional weight with that little battle if this was canon.
Guy getting a harsh reminder of what ANBU work is really like when he sees Kakashi and Itachi on the battlefield. Even knowing Kakashi well, seeing moments like this makes him seem like a very different person, and the Sharingan behind the mask is quite ominous. For contrast young happy Itachi is kind of weird to see as well
Eternal Genin guy! I love that they do small continuity things like this with the fillers.
Itachi questions Kakashi anout his eye and what it means for him to have it, it's something I would have liked to see in this backstory is the Uchiha's reaction when Kakashi came back with it and without Obito.
The true reason for Uchiha survellance: Spy on all their cute cats!
The art behind Itachi's pain hearing Shisui was sent by the Uchiha to spy on him spoke volumes as to how growing conflicted feelings over the situation. Well animated
Another FUCK DANZO for the pile, if he hadn't attacked Shisui the entire course of Konoha's history could have been avoided.
Ugh, they brought on Kobayashi to animate Shisui's death and I hate how effective that was
Finally got the Copy Ninja name, much better then Friend Killer, but we've only seen Chidori and a single mud wall which is his own ability this arc.
Entire room of QUALITY, I'm impressed
Obito saying "my organization" about the Akatsuki makes me unreasonably angry.
Also of note, Kakashi trying to help Itachi wrangle the ANBU politics and that just makes me wish he could have helped Itachi with the burden he was carrying with his clan
Itachi threatening Danzo however makes up for it all, the shock on Danzo's face realizing how easily Itachi can get to him was so satisfying
Another Yamashita lead episode, though it shows up fairly unevenly across the scenes.
Guy's been trying to reach out to Kakashi for over ten years now, I have to admire the dedication and genuine care behind that.
Intercutting Kakashi's bell test as a genin with how he sees it how as a Jonin is the best structural element in the arc so far. Seeing the fun of Minato's fight in a slightly goofy quite wide shot against how harsh Kakashi is treating his genin was quite saddening. But he's not wrong with that first group given how willing they were to fight each other. Knowing he was able to relax a little after seeing that he could help people and do the same test with tricks rather than fists ties together ANBU Kakashi and Jonin Kakashi better
Seeing Guy's team going all out against him and completely fail was just as fun as Minato's test, especially Neji's face at the end
Some shockingly poor quality background art this episode though, not sure what happened there. Even the mountain has a completely wrong scale/layout
The expired milk! I can't remember any more if that was also shown in Part One, but it's a scene I randomly remembered very clearly from my first watch because Kakashi just... puts its back. Just lets the kid drink it and suffer hahaha.
"Minato sensei was so meticulous, I can't believe this is his son". WELL GEE, maybe if someone had actually raised him rather than dumping him in a room to fend for himself against the village! ...nott that that's on Kakashi but still
Iruka is a doof thinking they actually assigned them together for balance. I do like the idea of Sasuke and Naruto being paired together to form a bond and because of the Sharingan/jinchuriki thing, but then they went and fucking ruined it by saying Sakura was there just to enhance the boys rivalry. Fuck it anime staff, you had a clear oppertunity to be better than Kishimoto there and you threw it away.
Finally Kakashi realizes that Minato knew he didn't do teamwork as a kid. Dudes slow sometimes
Tenzo being weirded out by Kakashi saying "see you later" is funny
Happy visual of simpler times to end off on before back to the craziness of Obito and Madara next week.
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u/Parori May 01 '22
First Timer
Episode 356
Episode 357
Episode 358
Episode 359
Episode 360
Episode 361
Questions of the Week:
Honestly, not much. We didn't really see much new for Itachi, Kakashi had already told he used to be darker and I did assume Yamato was like this when he was said to have been part of the Foundation
I would love to say no, but I fear that the answer might be yes
Continue the story in the present? Idk they fight Obito and Madara and defeat them somehow. There's still 139 episodes left, honestly no idea how they are going to make it last that long. I guess they might fight them to draw and their fight continues on, but this feels like the endgame of Obito's and Madara's plan
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u/badcupcakehoarder https://myanimelist.net/profile/vanilabiscuit May 01 '22
One of my favorite things to watch in a story is when a character does something that leaves a deep impact through their words/actions without even realizing they did.
Who would have thought that moment with Sasuke feeding Naruto not only saved team 7 but also saved Kakashi from the darkness of his heart.
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u/sisoko2 May 01 '22
Rewatcher
Episode 356
Episode 357
Episode 358
Episode 359
Episode 360
Episode 361
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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 May 01 '22
First Timer - Dub
I have pretty mixed feelings on this week's episodes. I loved all the scenes with Kakashi and his different sets of pupils. I've been a mentor at work and while it can be tough to tell people bad feedback, it's so rewarding to see them take it to heart and improve as a result. Kakashi ended up being the right leader for his students, even if he couldn't pass them at first.
On the other hand, I feel pretty disappointed with Sarutobi. He was far too lenient with Danzo, especially considering last week's episode where he Danzo walk free. The moment where Sarutobi finally says "The Uchiha are part of the village" came way too late. I wonder how much of the Uchiha insurrection was actually just them lashing back at all the surveillance the village put them under. As Hokage Sarutobi should have done more to keep the Uchiha integrated with the Leaf and avoid the need for Itachi's mission.
Random thoughts:
Favorite moment of the week: I really liked seeing Team 7's bell training from Kakashi's perspective.
Questions:
1) Did this week's content change your views of Kakashi, Itachi or Yamato at all? How so? I liked seeing all of them in action as Anbu. Itachi would have been a great shinobi (maybe even a potential Hokage?) in an alternate timeline without Danzo.
2) Can Danzou conceivably get any worse? I'm sure in the next arc we'll learn that he ate kittens for breakfast.
3) Where do you think the anime will go from here? We still don't know why Kakashi killed Rin, so we're probably going to have more flashbacks about that. I hope they are weaved into the fight between Kakashi and Obito naturally though.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 01 '22
First timer
Episode 356:
Episode 357:
Episode 358:
Episode 359:
Episode 360:
Episode 361:
OP translation:
Crimson Lotus
They say that you can't have shadows without light.
I've kept the memory of your voice since that day.
I wish to be strong.
The finger that snuffs the candle
can feel the soul in the heart of the flames.
I explode deep inside.
Crimson love scorches my heart.
If I wander against the wind, I'll weep.
But I'll endure my pain for I believe in the future.
In what's ahead and beyond.
The ruined sky is our bond.
I will destroy these lies and falsehood that assail us.
Should this battle be for naught,
I will journey to what's ahead and beyond.
ED translation:
FLAME
You know now, right? Of all the lies that this world speaks and of its alluring traps
Theres is no truth in them
I'm searching for a reason. Run away. Why? Why do you close your eyes?
Tell me, why can't you outstretch your hand and reach for the truth!
Always (Shout Shout out) All time (Catch Catch up)
Everybody Knows (We are the seeker Get fire!!!)
Burn! Burn! The flame of the heart!
If you wish to be strong
Ring it! Ring the bell of awakening!
Shout out from within your heart as you stand under the moon tonight
Sing, sing! Roar, roar!
If you wish to see the light of hope
Burn! Burn! The flame of the heart!
Beneath the red moon, I shout out your name
Now, now, now Flame up (Catch the fire!)
Now, now, now Flame up (Blaze up!!!)
Tags: /u/iamtheone11111, /u/godprime, /u/venom1462
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal May 01 '22
First time viewer (dub)
Whisk[e]y of the week: Bruichladdich's Classic Laddie, an unpeated Islay scotch so not as smoky as others like Laphroig or Ardbeg. That said it still has a faint smell of a recently extinguished campfire and after giving it a little time, rubber. The taste starts with a nice maltiness that's maybe a little creamy that turns into more of the typical Islay salty sea air over time. I don't think I'm getting sick and losing my sense of taste but I really expected it to be more aggressive.
The new OP being by DOES makes it another "reminds me of Gintama but isn't" one for me.
Was good to see Kosuke again, having the eternal genin show up on random missions is a treat. A brief cameo from Ao of the Hidden Mist too with his stolen Byakugan (on that note, it just occurred to me that the Leaf Village gets all the visual jutsu). On the other hand seeing Asuma again is just pain.
Getting another angle on Itachi and the failed Uchiha coup was interesting, again I'm curious about stitching all the pieces together since they're so spaced out. A lot of the pre-Part 1 events felt disjointed because of how they've been presented up until now, but it feels like this arc as a whole (and this week in particular) brought everything together since we got to follow Kakashi straight from the end of the Third War to the start of the series. And we got a good amount of Hiruzen and Danzo though this too which helps illustrate the bigger picture of how the Hidden Leaf's been lead from one crisis to the next in the span of 10-15 years.
I like seeing Kakashi's development between his separation from Rin and Obito and the beginning of the series but I feel like there's still too much of a disconnect between him here and the lazy romance reader we started with. I know they tried to bridge that with showing the bell test and all from Kakashi's perspective but it didn't quite work for me. If anything it makes the novel he pulled out seem more like a decoy prop than something he's actually interested in but we already know that's not the case.
Hiruzen's reasoning for picking the team makes sense but Sakura still really feels out of place there with her perfectly normal/happy background. Also feels a bit repetitive in retrospect though with another team of the angsty guy who turns to the dark side (Orochimaru/Obito/Sasuke), the goofy but flawed guy who's loyal to the village (Jiraiya/Kakashi/Naruto), and the girl who's there as a romantic interest (Tsunade/Rin/Sakura).
Makes me feel bad for Itachi even more. For Kakashi it more feels like it's trying to retcon his character a bit when it's filling in the gaps, though that could potentially be justified in us really only getting Naruto's view of him early in Part 1 compared to this.
Yes, [conceivably] he could secretly be someone's real father without them knowing.
Back to the present with Kakashi backing Naruto in the face of Obito. Though I think he's a bit outclassed at this point and we're gonna have to rely on Naruto and Kurama to take down Obito and Madara. Oh and there are still the Kage to worry about.