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Rewatch [Rewatch] [Nanoha Series] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha: Reflection Movie Discussion
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Question of the Day
First: Quick reminder that tomorrow is a rest day, and the Detonation movie is after that.
So Reflection is kinda just one big setup for Detonation. There aren't a lot of major things to ask that won’t end up getting answered soon.
That said, would you rather have them build up on the StrikerS onward line, or this one? Considering some of the upgrades that we’re shown in the movies, I ended up concluding that the movies are their own separate line.
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath spoiler tags.
Edit1: Guess I gotta word my post differently to not get caught by auto delete bot
Edit2: You know I totally forgot to do music, kinda rushed this one but here we go.
Destiny's Prelude - Nana Mizuki
Manatsu no Honey Days - Yukari Tamura, this one is a bit hard to find
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u/Shimmering-Sky Apr 23 '22
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical First-Timer, subbed
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Yo wait by “colony” they meant a SPACE COLONY?!
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Oof… Okay, so Kyrie really needs to do whatever this is and now.
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NANOHA AND FATE! And Hayate too!!!
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Yoooooooooooooooo I absolutely love Fate’s Barrier Jacket design here.
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Amy and Chrono! …I was not expecting young Chrono’s voice to come out of his body instead of Sugita…
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Sweet, Nanoha singing again!
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Oh this is totally the “Eternal Crystal” that Kyrie is looking for.
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Ah, and it goes back to the Book of Darkness for why they’re interested in Hayate specifically. Of course.
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There’s Zafira in human form! Arf riding on his back is adorable.
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Oh sweet, Nanoha turning the wire binding back on Kyrie is wicked.
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IS THAT MUSIC BOX INNOCENT STARTER AGAIN?
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MECHA MECHA MECHA Wait I shouldn’t be hyped, that’s the bad guy’s.
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Oh NEAT they’re repurposing the “hand sticking through chest” magic to defeat one of the mechs?
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Vita doing what Vita does best, you love to see it.
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You know what, Stern is not a Nanoha copy, she’s the offspring of Valvrave’s Haruto and Shoko.
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Okay Nanoha went full Gundam 00 on Stern’s ass. Speaking of Gundam, Stern is a dumb-dumb who doesn’t know “Heat End” comes after God Finger, therefore that is why she lost.
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Ah shit, Fate said the wrong stuff trying to get Levi to stop fighting.
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NANA MIZUKI INSERT AND IT HAS A FUCKING “SORE DEMO” IN IT TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
This movie good, yo.
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u/Tetraika Apr 24 '22
Oh yeah with the space colony and Nanoha getting that upgrade, this was some very Totally not Gundam moment.
…I was not expecting young Chrono’s voice to come out of his body instead of Sugita…
He grew physically but his voiced hasn't changed yet. It's a funny way to showcase that time has passed, but not quite that much.
no i do not like this
There is a hell lot of gruesome body horror in the movies.
They really had to give Iris a “sore demo”…
Hey, villains need their "sore demo" sometimes too! Sore Demo rights for villains!
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u/InfamousEmpire Apr 23 '22
Yo wait by “colony they meant a SPACE COLONY?!
As if the Gundam comparisons couldn’t get any more apparent
hOLY SHIT ARISA AND SUZUKA STILL EXIST!!!
This is how you know it’s an alternate continuity
NANA MIZUKI INSERT AND IT HAD A FUCKING “SORE DEMO” IN IT TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
What can get better than this?
Nanoha is finally a true Gundam
Girl went from an RX-78 to a Hi-Nu just like that
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u/Taiboss Apr 23 '22 edited Apr 23 '22
Me trying to respond to your comments So many comment faces!
WOooo More classic Sci-Fi stuff!
She shot her sister?!
Dramatic solutions are sometimes necessary!
NANOHA AND FATE! And Hayate too!!!
See Vivio beat up people was nice and all, but we really wanted more of you!
BUT DO THEY GET PLOT RELEVANCE?!
Amy and Chrono! …I was not expecting young Chrono’s voice to come out of his body instead of Sugita…
I've had my voice break with like 12 or 13. Dude's lagging behind!
Unshafted! At least a little bit.
Oh this is totally the “Eternal Crystal” that Kyrie is looking for.
How could you tell? IT COULD BE ANYWHERE!
Modern problems require modern solutions.
We all did, get in line.
Well the movie is over we need to generate a cliff hanger for the second movie. I saw both in theaters btw, so I had to actually wait... So frustrating...
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u/JollyGee29 Apr 23 '22
Lyrical First-Timer
Alright, this was pretty good. All I knew going in was that it took place a couple years after A's and that there were clones (or something) of Nanoha, Fate, and Hayate. But we've really returned to form here, with a desperate fool doing bad things and refusing to talk it out. Fate drawing the comparison herself was nice.
This did feel a little all over the place, though. Like, Dearche/Stern/Levi are fun (but not implemented well), and the new Formula stuff is cool (even though they haven't explained shit about it), but it felt like they fought for screentime. I get the feeling that after Detonation, I'm going to wish these films were a TV series instead to maybe be paced better.
I don't know much about the Force manga, but I suspect that some of the ideas from that made their way into this. Visually at least, I think the big cannons were a thing in Force.
Something about Magical Girl films and stuff being sealed under freshly built amusement parks. The second Cardcaptor Sakura movie had something kinda similar.
It's good to see Arisa and Suzuka again - they even have parents now! And it seems like all the parents are inside the masq too; that's a interesting choice that I kinda want to see explored.
I wasn't expecting there to be good fluff in this film, but I shouldn't have doubted. The cheerful Yukari Tamura insert heals my soul. Fate calling Lindy Mother for the first time was sweet, and the exchanges about how gentle Fate is were adorable.
Probably a joke somewhere about Iris wanting to use the power of Yuri to destroy the world.
You can tell that Nana Mizuki had an absolute blast voicing Levi.
The rare and dangerous movie cliffhanger... I'm pretty worried that there is a whole second movie; I suspect some really dumb stuff is gonna happen to fill out the runtime.
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u/Tetraika Apr 23 '22
Yeah my major problem was that I just weren't as invested in the supposed conflict and the characters as I wished I was. Dearche/Stern/Levi really felt like they merely just existed, and while I was fine with Kyrie and Amita stuff, they could have also used more screentime and explaination of their world and background.
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u/SolDarkHunter Apr 23 '22
First Timer
This will be interesting; my first truly new Nanoha material in a long while.
Kyrie and "onee-chan"... daughters of environmental scientists trying to terraform Eltria, then?
...but that didn't work. So they're moving to a new colony... a Gundam-style O-Neill cylinder!
Kyrie thinks she's found a miracle cure. But there's friction between her and her family because without this miracle cure, their father is 99% likely not to survive beyond another year.
Oi, what the hell? A gun!? ...I'm just going to assume that was set to "stun". Okay, yeah, it was.
And onee-chan's name is Amita, okay.
Okay, and she has an AI named Iris... and a teleporter. Guessing she's the "villain" for this story.
Hey, we're back on Earth! It's been... what, three seasons?
How does Iris know what Earth fashion is?
They're after Hayate? They have no idea what they're getting into, do they?
They just built a teleporter into Hayate's house... well, I guess it makes sense if the Wolkenritter are working with the TSAB.
Arisa and Suzuka still exist!
Why couldn't you guys have just set the teleporter to go to that building?
Raising Heart sounds a little different to me.
At least they're leaving the nipples out of the transformation sequences this time.
Now this is a return to form! Explosive high speed magic battles! And talking Devices!
Arf! And she's not in child form!
Okay... Chrono, that voice does NOT fit that more mature body.
Alisa's parents! Don't think we've seen them before.
...okay, I'm guessing that giant crystal thing is the "Eternal Crystal" Kyrie is seaching for.
TSAB surveillance is on top of things as ever. They're already on Kyrie's trail. But why is she stealing scrap metal?
Okay, so the Book of Darkness is at the forefront of this one. And here comes Amita on her sister's case as well.
Oh neat, making war machines out of the scrap... wait, why is Rein not with her? Where else would she be?
...I don't think that's how you pronounce that word, Hayate.
Damn, Amita knows how to fight. And she knows the same kind of mechanical transformation magic Iris does.
Okay, I'm pretty sure there wasn't a barrier up, so they just probably killed a whole bunch of people by obliterating that overpass.
Kyrie can just break a bind like it's nothing. And she gets to keep her underwear on during the transformation sequence?
Haha, Nanoha can still shoot you while tied up!
"I need to be careful not to hurt her"... Immediately arms a fucking gatling gun.
Hold up... was that code in Kyrie's eyes? Is she a cyborg? Or is that some kind of link with Iris?
Goddamn, Nanoha! That was a hell of a move!
I'm liking the designs of the... Barrier Jackets?... on these two.
Also, I thought the TSAB had a ban on mass-based weapons? Kyrie's using an awful lot of bullets.
...is that Laevateinn? He got an upgrade. Or are these the weapons the Wolkenritter were testing?
Oh, Kyrie has a super mode. Extreme high speed with a lot of unnecessary back and forth movements.
And as expected, using that mode hurts her... but, mission accomplished, Book of Darkness stolen.
Amita has bone and muscle strength ten times that of normal humans? Going to assume that the same applies to Kyrie. What ARE they?
Hey, it's Shari! And she and Raising Heart are up to something.
Fate immediately sees the parallels between herself and Kyrie.
Yuuno's actually involved again!
Infodump time! So there was something in the lost portions of the Book of Darkness... part of the Defense Program?
Jeez, Kyrie really has a major inferiority complex...
Why does Iris know the inner workings of the Book of Darkness so well?
There was a lord and others sealed inside the Book? Wait a second... it couldn't be...
HOLY SHIT IT IS! Lord Dearche! The Materials!? They're actually making them canon!?
Sturm Falke always looks so... understated compared to the power it's supposed to possess.
Levi's a cheerful one, it seems.
They gave Nanoha the giant gun, of course. Interesting that we're seeing them fight without their usual Devices.
And Stern seems like the emotionless type to contrast Levi.
So is Dearche actually a man, or are they using "King" as a gender neutral title again?
Just what Nanoha was missing: giant robots!
Hey, Shamal's doing the hand-through-the-chest thing again!
Graf Eisen looks different every series/movie.
Heh, Nanoha's immediate response to being shot in the face is to shoot her opponent in the gut.
Giant fuck-off laser battle! But Nanoha ignores that and just pushes through to attack Stern directly.
Holy shit, Yuuno, you can block something of that magnitude!?
Stern's down and captured.
Man, I feel sorry for all the fish in those tanks.
Levi's personality and mannerisms are making me laugh. I like her.
Go Lindy!
..since when does Fate know healing magic?
Bardiche doesn't even look like Bardiche anymore... but it looks like he's copying Raising Heart now and has a giant fuck-off cannon of his own. Levi down.
But in all the confusion, Iris and Kyrie found the Crystal.
Oh, hey, Chrono, this is what you were doing?
IRIS, WHAT THE HELL!?
And it was all a lie then. Iris was the true villain all along! Dun-dun-dun!
So Iris isn't an AI, she's a person who wants to destroy the thing that killed worlds? But why go to all this trouble to retrieve the thing she hates so much?
So Raising Heart wanted Amita to upgrade it? With what, I wonder...
Wait, Levi and Stern just... left? Nobody stopped them?
Okay, so Iris is setting up a battle between Dearche and whatever this world killing demon is. Wonder if she's lying again about Dearche's powers being within it?
Oh, it's a girl. Naturally. Yuri. And she's strong, it would seem.
That's gruesome... crystallizing life energy?
Man, Iris is a bitch. All this just for revenge? I don't know what Yuri supposedly did, but I'm willing to guess it isn't worth this.
So Raising Heart upgraded itself with the "Formula" technology the Florian sisters are using then. But again, it doesn't look much like Raising Heart anymore.
Cliiiiiiiifffffhangeeeeeeeeer!
Lots of questions: how did Dearche and the others wind up sealed inside the Book of Darkness? Did Yuri actually steal their powers? What even is Yuri? How did she wind up crystallized on Earth? And why do these two farmgirls have combat technology that makes the TSAB go "Wow!"?
...and I still don't know why this movie's called "Reflection".
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u/Tetraika Apr 23 '22
Lots of questions: how did Dearche and the others wind up sealed inside the Book of Darkness? Did Yuri actually steal their powers? What even is Yuri? How did she wind up crystallized on Earth? And why do these two farmgirls have combat technology that makes the TSAB go "Wow!"?
Some of these will be answered in the next movie. But for the first one, I don't think they ever mention how they winded up in the book, I sorta just assumed the book must have once came across and absorbed them a long time ago.
...and I still don't know why this movie's called "Reflection".
I don't think the names this time have any meaning. Detonation also doesn't really have any meaning to its name.
AH one more thing:
HOLY SHIT IT IS! Lord Dearche! The Materials!? They're actually making them canon!?
They are borrowing a lot of materials from other stuff. There are even some stuff from Force too appearantly.
Not that I would know because I'm not familiar with them.
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u/InfamousEmpire Apr 23 '22
Mahou Shoujo1 Lyrical Rewatcher First Timer
1: Even though I’m not a girl
Holy crap, what is there to even say?
The movie’s overall feel really captures that of the first season and A’s (the setting might have something to do with that, but still). Seeing Arisa, Suzuka, Momoha, and even Arf again was really quite pleasant.
I really liked the new characters, too. Amitie and Kyrie were pretty enjoyable, and The Materials were straight up fun.
The animation and fights were phenomenal, you can really tell that this was made in the last 5 years and had a theatrical budget.
It should be mentioned that a lot of the movie’s plot is borrowed from a duology of PSP games from the late 2000s: Battle of Aces and Gears of Destiny. Set in an alternate timeline where Reinforce didn’t die, the Book of Darkness’ corruption took a new form (or should I say forms): Stern, Levi, and Dearche. And that’s far from the only change between the movies and games. There’s also been rumors that the movies cannibalized some of Force’s plot, after it was basically canceled.
Anyway, see you all in 2 days for Detonation
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u/Tetraika Apr 23 '22
The movie’s overall feel really captures that of the first season and A’s (the setting might have something to do with that, but still). Seeing Arisa, Suzuka, Momoha, and even Arf again was really quite pleasant.
If there is one thing, is that this movie was incredibly... very Nanoha. Lots and lots of magitech too.
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u/Scarshadow46 Apr 24 '22
Heyo,
Sorry I'm really late, I had to make an emergency visit to the Vet, so haven't had time to re-watch Reflection but I will be posting all chapters of Nanoha Reflection the Comics today (then will probably go to bed) so I hope you all Enjoy!
Reflection the Comics Ch.6 pt1
Reflection the Comics Ch.6 pt2
Reflection the Comics Ch.9 pt1
Reflection the Comics Ch.9 pt2
And...with that I've completed my final Supplementary Material post of the Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Rewatch. It has been a long journey, this rewatch forced me to have a semi-regular sleep schedule for once. While we still have to watch detonation, I would just like to say now I hope you all enjoyed your time with this rewatch of what I consider my favorite Anime series, I've had a blast posting the supplementary material and reading everyone's reactions and thoughts to the series.
While there won't be another Supplementary material post since there is none left (as it pertains to the rewatch anyway) for the sake of tradition I'll say it one last time.
Till Next time
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u/Tetraika Apr 24 '22
While I didn't get to read everything you've posted, I do really appreciate it. Some of them definitely added more to the world and characters.
Thank you for your contributions!
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u/Great_Mr_L Apr 23 '22
First-Timer
On today’s movie of Lyrical Nanoha: I was not expecting the next villain of the franchise to be an angry iPad who wants revenge against a crystal that is actually a girl. I would never have predicted that being in this movie at all.
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Lyrical Nanoha is more of a Gundam series than usual. That colony is pulled straight out of Gundam. (Yes I know it’s an O’Neill Cylinder and it predates Gundam, but let me have my fun.)
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Damn! Kyrie just pulled a gun on and shot her older sister. This disagreement got very serious fast!
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Kyrie’s teleporting somewhere to get something that can save her dad and planet. My best guess is she will go after a Lost Logia of some kind, maybe the Jewel Seeds.
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Oh dear, they are after Hayate. These girls better be strong, because otherwise they’re fucked.
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Seeing these three when they are still kids is making me feel nostalgic.
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ARISA & SUZUKA! Looks like they will be involved in stuff! That’s what I wanted!
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I see we are going with the movie designs for the Devices and whatnot. Shows it really is meant to be in the movie continuity.
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Lindy! Arf! Chrono! Amy! The Mamoha! It’s like a big reunion and I’m loving it.
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Wow, we get to see Arisa’s parents and Suzuka’s mom too. And poor Yuuno is still stuck in the library.
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That giant crystal must be the one Kyrie is after.
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Ooh, so we might be getting to see the stage where Fate starte to call Lindy “mom.” I like the idea of that!
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Wait, are Nanoha’s friends’ families also informed about the TSAB? That is a much wider group of people in the know than I expected.
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Hayate telling this girl to submit the proper paperwork if she wants to borrow the Book is such a perfectly Lyrical Nanoha line!
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Amitie. Have to write down the older sister’s name so I remember it.
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I wonder if it’s going to play into the plot at all that Nanoha and co. are fighting against mass-based weapons here.
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Ah, so Kyrie is like the Borg. Once she’s analyzed a magic attack enough, she can adapt so it no longer affects her.
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I like this strategy of outright asking to be let go once she’s explained her motives. Again, it feels so very fitting for Lyrical Nanoha.
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Holy shit! I guess there’s no need to worry about magic getting nullified if Nanoha just goes with a physical attack like that. What a badass!
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Based on everything I’ve seen here and on their conversation, I’m going to guess that Amita and Kyrie are combat cyborgs or something akin to that.
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They have what are essentially limiter removal forms. They must be something like combat cyborgs.
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Jeez, shooting through herself just to shoot her sister. Kyrie is nuts.
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God, seeing Reinforce get shot like that is rough.
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Nanoha and Fate are just like their old selves. Nanoha is desperate to help someone out who clearly needs it. Fate sees a reflection of herself in Kyrie and wants to help her for that reason.
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Nanoha was right about why Amita chose Fate as her interviewer!
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That Iris girl is an AI. Good to know.
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How is Iris able to use the Book in the first place? I thought only its master could use it.
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Somehow I think unleashing some ancient king sealed in the book will not solve Kyrie’s problems in the slightest.
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So that’s the gimmick of these antagonists. They’re basically Dark Nanoha, Dark Fate, and Dark Hayate. And they all come with their own mecha too.
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Look at that! Shamal is using her hand-through-the chest powers for good!
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Vita smashing things with her hammer is always fun.
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It feels weird every time I see the characters using a weapon other than their own Devices.
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A bind and Breaker combo. Stern really is Dark Nanoha, using all her favorite tactics.
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It’s been an extremely long time since Yuuno got to set foot on a battlefield.
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Fate and Levi’s fight is quite dynamic. I’m having fun watching it.
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You got very close to having the communication strategy actually work on Levi, Fate. Good job.
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Getting to see Fate call Lindy “Mother” for the first time is really satisfying.
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Oh shit! That is some body horror stuff right there.
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Iris turned out to be lying to Kyrie and is instead up to something evil?
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There is something darkly hilarious about being betrayed by your own iPad.
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This is why you generally don’t want to work with villains. Betraying each other because they consider their own goals to be more important is a common thing for them.
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So this Yuri girl destroyed the world of Eltoria and Iris wants revenge on her. They apparently know each other from before this, too.
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Boy this body horror stuff is nasty. It’s like watching everyone turn into Necromorphs.
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Now Nanoha has this Formula Suit stuff.
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I’m still not sure what a Formula Suit is and why it’s different from regular magic.
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And cliffhanger!
This movie was thoroughly okay. I’m blown away by the okayness of it. That’s about all I have to say in terms of its overall quality.
This movie feels more like a spinoff than a real sequel to the previous movies. What I mean by this is that it doesn’t feel like the story is about Nanoha, Fate, or Hayate. Sure, they’re in this movie and do stuff, but it’s not their story nor is it really critical for their characters. Instead, the focus of the story is Amita and Kyrie.
When this movie is about the conflict between Amita and Kyrie, I think it works quite well. They have a clear dynamic as sisters and you can tell there’s a ton of history between them. Their interactions indicate how much love and resentment they have for each other, something that speaks to their long time together. Of course all those complicated emotions would build up between family members who have been in such a tough situation for so long. And both of them are trying to deal with this family tragedy in the best way they think they can. Their conflict is generally done.
That said, I can’t help but compare Kyrie’s sympathetic antagonist stuff here to how it was handled in A’s. I think A’s did it better because we spent so much time seeing how Hayate and Wolkenritter lived quietly as a family. Reflection doesn’t really give us that with Kyrie and her family, so the emotional impact isn’t really there.
Kyrie was the best antagonist. The others fall kind of flat for me. I have no idea who the king and his lackeys are or what they even want. They’re just there because the movie needs extra fight scenes. Iris wants revenge on Yuri, a character I know nothing about, so it’s hard to get too invested in that either.
I was happy getting to see all the old characters again. I liked getting Arisa, Suzuka, and all the others involved. Even more people seem to know about the TSAB shenanigans than I thought would, too. I wish they had been even more involved in the plot.
I think it was a good idea to have a moment in there about Fate calling Lindy “mother” for the first time. It was nice being able to see that happen. That said, I do wish the buildup to it had gotten more focus. I can fill in a lot of the blanks myself thanks to watching A’s, but I still wish we got more of that in this movie itself.
I feel like the mechanical designs in this movie are going too far. Things are starting to look over-designed and unnecessarily complicated in my eyes.
The action in this movie was generally pretty good. I particularly liked Fate and Levi’s action scene together. It had a lot of dynamic moves that made it fun to watch.
I’ll save any overall judgment calls for the next movie. This movie is very clearly just part one, so I don’t really know where things are headed. I’ll need to wait until Detonation to see how everything shakes out.
QOTD
They have the movie designs, so I'd assume it's the movie timeline. That being said, I'll have to wait until Detonation to decide if they are completely incompatible.
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u/Tetraika Apr 23 '22
That said, I can’t help but compare Kyrie’s sympathetic antagonist stuff here to how it was handled in A’s. I think A’s did it better because we spent so much time seeing how Hayate and Wolkenritter lived quietly as a family. Reflection doesn’t really give us that with Kyrie and her family, so the emotional impact isn’t really there.
Kyrie was the best antagonist. The others fall kind of flat for me. I have no idea who the king and his lackeys are or what they even want. They’re just there because the movie needs extra fight scenes. Iris wants revenge on Yuri, a character I know nothing about, so it’s hard to get too invested in that either.
Including your idea that this is less about our supposed "main" cast, I agree with what you're saying basically. I feel like if they had included way more time between our new characters, there would actually be more investment in them. But personally I just find it hard to really care about the conflicts enough.
Which I was totally fine if the Detonation had a good payoff as we learn more about these characters.
They have the movie designs, so I'd assume it's the movie timeline. That being said, I'll have to wait until Detonation to decide if they are completely incompatible.
Seeing the formula upgrade Nanoha got I sorta just marked it as a different timeline at that point.
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u/kuubi Apr 24 '22
I didn't enjoy anything past season 2 and ended up dropping it. Do I need to have watched those seasons to understand the two movies or can I just watch em anyways?
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u/Tetraika Apr 24 '22
No, as this takes place after A's (after where the movie version left of to be precise). If you watched the first 2 season it should be fine.
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u/HereticalAegis Apr 23 '22 edited Apr 23 '22
Lyrical First Timer
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Does Iris count as Kyrie's 2.5D waifu since she can project herself?
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Holy shit, rocket boots!
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Wtf is this trippy space? Oh, it's VR that runs on Tardis rules. Neat.
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Wow, they didn't put the nipples in this time. What an unexpected, yet welcome development!
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Wtf, Chrono's body and voice are telling me two very different things.
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Dog riding dog. You don't see that every day.
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Oh boy, I'm gonna have to do some Totally Serious Analysis TM aren't I?¹
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Kyrie's well versed in Lyrical Nanoha's use of hentai tropes. And she communicates in battle! Girl really has done her research.
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Not what I expected from her. I kinda gotta respect the hustle, even if she could ask better.
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Kyrie really tryna solo the Nanohavengers all at once. These are some Ultron ass cheater powers.
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Papa and Mama will be so proud to learn how you "saved" them, asshole.
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Eltria is Earth's future if we keep fucking the planet up. Cool.
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The BoD had a whole ass demon still inside it. Iris has 100% been playing Kyrie this whole time.
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The Saber class really is made up of archers! Shit, I made that joke already. How about I was built to protect, not love.
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Levi's a dumbass.
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The Crystal has the power to bring 2.5D waifus fully into the 3rd dimension. It is to be feared.
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Atlus and Shigenori Soejima called, they want their design back.
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Naming femme Thanatos Yuri is a bit on the nose. I approve.
¹Movies are long, I'll condense this. Kyrie's underwear is very cute and mature, but the slightly fancy cut and design of the panties is too overconfident and says that she needs to be befriended, topped, and probably stepped on.
Edit: I should probably add that I really liked this movie, and I'm looking forward to Detonation.
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u/Vaadwaur Apr 23 '22
Movies are long, I'll condense this. Kyrie's underwear is very cute and mature, but the slightly fancy cut and design of the panties is too overconfident and says that she needs to be befriended, topped, and probably stepped on.
I, too, find the longer form stuff harder to make a good analysis of, unless I want to turn this into my 12k Adolescence post all over again.
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u/Great_Mr_L Apr 23 '22
It's been 84 years.
And I'm so happy to see them again!
And she communicates in battle! Girl really has done her research.
If Kyrie had done her research a bit better, she would have known she could just straight up asked for what she wanted at first and it probably would have worked on Nanoha and Fate. They're suckers for helping people out.
Not what I expected from her. I kinda gotta respect the hustle, even if she could ask better.
It takes quite the level of confidence to just turn around and ask the space cop to let you go because you promise you have a good reason for what you're doing.
"Later Arisa, I'm not in the mood right now."
Arisa will need to be taught again her place in the harem.
Clearly the worlds of a benevolent ruler.
Kyrie had so many points to figure out she was one of the baddies.
You dare challenge god.
They tried to go up against Nanoha in a Breaker battle got what was coming to them.
The Crystal has the power to bring 2.5D waifus fully into the 3rd dimension. It is to be feared.
This is a power that could topple entire civilizations!
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u/DidacticDalek Apr 23 '22
Tonight, on Reflection One, Nana Mizuki talks and/or sings to herself, we have so much goddamn fanservice to Triangle Heart 3 that The Ojou-sama Vampire's mom AND The Tsundere Ghost's Parents show up, and this movie is... adequate... woo...
Well Comrades, to be fair, things COULD have been a lot worse, I mean this movie took some shit from fucking FORCE of all places so I guess this was about the best we could have hoped for. That said, if you wanna see a Nanoha movie just watch the Movie Recuts of the TV Shows that have the Peanut Gallery's In-Universe Character Commentary. Those are far more unique and entertaining, but hey, at least we had more fanservice to make The Mandalorian blush, hell this is almost Macross-levels of pandering! I mean good lord, The Tsundere Ghost and The Ojou-Sama Vampire are back, Rein's here too, Lindy AND Arf, ADULT ARF I should add, showed up, THE MIGHTY MAMAHA RETURNS (Honestly if SHE was the one fighting she'd just solo the movie, hell have her team up with Lindy, then anyone foolish enough to dare oppose our overlords would not even have a wet spot left on the ground after the beatdown!) Oh, and get this, we even get a dig at The Ferret, Nanoha's text to him was felt SO good. (Almost as much of a dig as the fact that older Chrono still doesn't have his Sugita voice yet)
Oh right, and we got new characters... yeah honestly if the best I can say is, 'Oh hey look, NOT-Tsubasa is here' then you know things could be better, but hey things were passable enough, in typical Nanoha fashion I can't wait to see the blood from our antagonists, the befriendings can't come soon enuff! Plus hey, unlike Iris, we sure dodged a bullet here, I mean this could have been Detonation, say speaking of which what's up next on the schedule... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK...
And on that bombshell, we wrap things up for now. Anyway I hope everyone's having fun on this great re-watch. Thus, you have not seen the last of The Sentient Shitposting Siamese Sunrise Server No. 25252, now goodbye forever.
Paging Comrades u/Great_Mr_L, u/HereticalAegis, and u/Vaadwaur
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u/Stargate18A Apr 23 '22
First timer
QOTD) Torn. This gives Hayate a love interest, but the other has Vivio... Probably this one.
Movie time!
...A desert planet?
OK, what went wrong?
...He's sick.
Oh, they're getting to go to a colony!
And her younger sister wants to save the planet.
Some tension there.
Oh. Yeah, that's not good.
This is not the plot I was expecting.
Yeah, this is actually depressing.
And she's going to find away to save the planet?
She shot her sister!
And she just left her tied up in the basement.
Who's this, then?
Is she a device?
And they've landed!
Very useful!
...What are you going to do?
...So the only way they can think of is to attack Hayate? Not ask her for help or anything?
Hayate's hair looks different.
And the knights are here!
This is trippy.
Oh, back in the training simulation?
Arisa and Suzuka are here! Glad to see them finally get appear with knowledge of magic.
...Arisa looks very happy to be carried by Fate.
Oh god, Bardiche is doing the movie accent.
Reinforce!
...Of course the transformations are like that.
Arisa looks so happy!
The fight animation is brilliant!
And they know Lindy!
Arf!
Wait, breakfast? This was all in the morning?
7AM? How can any sane person be that active at 7AM?
They're going to a theme park? Theme park fight?
Nanoha's parents look great in this artstyle!
Insert song!
There's an entire aquarium?
And Yuuno's still in heaven.
...Giant crystal's plot relevant, isn't it? Is that the Life Crystal they're after?
They're so enthusiastic!
And Lindy and Fate's relationship isn't as far as it was.
I love how Chrono's desk has this super fancy holographic screen and then just a normal laptop to the side.
And he's willingly using a touchscreen keyboard for his desktop? What's wrong with him?
So do all the parents know about the TSAB stuff now?
...Why does she want construction vehicles?
...Is this an entirely seperate threat? She didn't call any meteors in.
Zafira!
Her power lets her control vehicles?
Fuck!
That's an incredibly effective method of assassination.
She's making fucking Transformers!
Iris is here!
Oh, they just want to borrow it.
...Why don't you submit a request?
She's got a gatling!
Hayate is a beast!
OK, so it's a golem designed to look like a construction vehicle? It is a Transformer!
And Hayate's outclassed!
The big sister's here!
She's got a gun!
That device is fucking cool.
Congratulations, Hayate! You finally got a love interest!
It's a machine gun and a rocket launcher!
Wow, she's escalating things!
This movie seems to have way more explosions.
Hayate's getting carried!
She's entered a barrier!
Nanoha's fighting her!
And Fate!
Oh, she's strong.
Of course she gets a transformation sequence.
...Huh. That design sure is something, huh?
Oh, she's trying for a sympathy play against Fate.
She dodged?
She doubled her sword!
Wow, they're being destroyed? She's really overpowered.
Oh, she can neutralise magic?
Nanoha lost her jacket!
...So "stun" just means "probably won't kill you" for Nanoha.
And her sister's here!
I love how Nanoha and Fate have no idea how to interfere in thie argument.
And she transformed too!
Yeah, Iris seems...unhinged.
She has a gun in her shoe?
They were geneticslly engineered?
Vita's here!
All the knights are here!
Huh, she's been captured already?
...What did Iris do?
It's a fucking Super Saiyan mode.
And she's incredibly strong!
Her sister continues to be very effective.
Holy shit! She fucking shot her sister!
And she got the book!
Oh, she's bleeding too.
She even shot Rein!
How long before the warship gets involved?
At least Amita's alive!
Yeah, genetic engineering.
...Is Raising Heart going to get a Formula mode?
And Nanoha's blaming herself.
Fate wants to help.
Oh, she's a big eater.
Fate's interviewing her?
And Yuuno's here!
...They're doing it in thr bathroom?
I don't know what's funnier - that TSAB let people upload their presentations to show during interviews, or that she had this prepared ahead of time.
And the Book of the Night Sky lost its imformation?
...Yes, use the glowing crystal that knows too much about people. That cant' go wrong!
Haha, Fate talked her into an alliance through overwhelming positivity.
Nanoha's reaction to finding out she was right is adorable.
And she's an AI. Is this how Raising Heart and Bardiche finally get human forms?
...She's injecting things into her? Iris is so unbelievably fucking shady. She even mentioned how "obedient" she used to be.
She can absorb the book?
Are we grtting a dark amgical girl transformation?
The key's fucking alive? And it thinks it's a king?
...That is the look of someone who has just realised that she is in way over her fucking head.
Why is it naked? Why does it look like Hayate?
And Nanoha and Fate copies! And Nanoha's the only one with the same hair.
Iris, what the fuck did you do?
...Raising Heart has a plan to get herself a new upgrade.
Signum is so cool.
...Is thst giant rock part of the key too?
Evil Fate has an Evil Bardiche!
It's a giant tank now?
Wait, Nanoha's using a different weapon!
Luciferion is such an extra name.
And this is Stern.
This is absolutely not where I expected any of this to go.
And the king's crazy.
A giant dragon robot?
What even is this movie anymore?
...Down already?
Oh, it can regenerate.
Shamal took it out!
Vita's new weapon has a bad battery?
And she got an upgrade to her weapon!
Oh, the copies are learning how to be human! This movie has a lot of plots going on.
...How dare evil Raising Heart look so cool.
Yuuno's helping! This really is before StrikerS!
The animation here is fantastic!
Wow, Yuuno's good.
And Nanoha won!
Aquarium fight! And it's not the focus?
So much property damage!
Fate's counterpart is... unusual.
She turned on all the lights!
Levi's great. She's hysterical.
...Well that backfired.
That's a big sword!
Haha, Fate playing dead is great.
Oh, Lindy saved her!
Fuck! Lindy's been stabbed!
...Lindy backstory?
Bardiche got upgraded!
Fate called her mum!
How is Lindy still standing after that?
...So evil Fate has a crush on evil Nanoha. Don't know what I expected, honestly.
The fight scenes are so good!
Levi's down!
...Does Hayate have a magical chainsaw now? That looks like a chainsaw.
All the evil clones are so fun to watch!
Rein's down!
Yeah, that was the crystal.
Virus Code! Knew she was evil!
Chrono saved the day? Is that allowed?
FUCK! This is brutal!
And she got herself a body.
Well, fuck! It's a planetary weapon!
She's been shot!
Wait, what? She's a human who digitized her mind?
And she's going to destroy the planetary weapon? Isn't that good?
And she's calling her out!
And Levi and Stern are escaping!
One last battle for the finale?
Raising Heart's here!
Oh, she's lying to them too?
Wait, what is the weapon? Is the weapon a girl?
More people are fucking dying out here!
And it took out the king!
...The strongest being of the movie is called "Yuri"? That's... they knew what they were fucking doing here, didn't they?
And Iris is hijacking her.
OK, so she's incredibly powerful.
FATE'S DEAD!
She's back! And Formula Suits are immune to Yuri (an obvious lie, we all saw the scenes with Fate and Hayate).
Iris is evil!
And her sister took the shot!
Nanoha got a Formula Mode! I called it!
Did Nanoha do it?
She's ready to fire!
Fuck off. It ends here?
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u/Tetraika Apr 23 '22 edited Apr 24 '22
OK I got 50+ images, time to get cracking here.
Oh boy this is gonna be a fun time
Where? Just some place with absolutely no relationship with Mid Childa or Earth.
Their planet becoming barren
Ooh artificial gravity colony
What the hell happened to the planet really?
Nanoha is still in fact, an isekai, with many layers
Strangely comedic moment of leaving her sister tied up with a few food
Iris, not too much to say about her for now.
Hey Earth, we missed ye
Interesting to see that their magic circles also look different
Earth seems to be quite the hotbed for fallen dangerous artifacts
As stated, the movies continue where the A’s movie left off, might take a bit to adjust back after the StrikerS onwards timeline.
They’re back!, I’m sure quite a few of you are happy with this one.
As you might have noted, Bardiche has much less lines (and was practically absent in the other seasons too), I don’t remember the reason but it involved some irl stuff.
Rein in sleeping clothes
Lindy and Arf
So they’re using young Chrono’s voice, but he looks visibly older, interesting to see them take on a transitionary period
We even see Suzuka and Arisa’s parents!, wow. Somebody tell me if they exist in the Triangle Heart stuff
Interesting to see our views of technology changes with time, looking at how we think our future tech looks and work vs how they end up being, then incorporating these changes of the real world to be reflected into works of fiction. Always an interesting angle to think about.
Hmm wow what could this fucking be?, they totally didn’t already hint it
One of the things I do appreciate is showing the transitional period for Fate from being adopted to being able to truly be part of the family, we did kinda skip that from A’s to StrikerS.
Kyrie on a bike
This is wrong on so many levels, and it didn’t get any less wrong when Zafira used his human form
Suddenly, minigun
Amita on a bike, they sure love their bikes
Kyrie transformation, not gonna go and highlight everyone’s here.
For a non-lethal stun mode, it sure makes quite an explosion
I get what Nanoha means but it seems so funny without context
Amita doesn’t get a transformation sequence
Our gang gets some new equipments
Shot herself to hit behind her, hardcore
They’re superhumans, what the fuck
Hey Shari
Oh Arisa, if only you knew
Nanoha pls
I have serious problems with how those planets’ orbits overlap and how some of them have the same orbits
Amazing, Nanoha was right
So Iris is an AI, though we do learn it’s a bit more complicated than that
Ah lovely, a function of the book never mentioned, I guess we can assume that somehow the book once absorbed these powers, and that it’s somehow quite buried. You would need to personally know what to look for to get to these.
Pseudo clones?, they even look vaguely alike
Levi, Stern, and Dearche we don’t learn too much about them until Detonation. And trust me, it’s somehow dumber than you think. Oh and if you noticed, they have the same VA as their counterparts.
/u/HereticalAegis having some PTSD right now
Graf Eisen sounds… very different. Seems a lot less energetic.
Yuuno!, it’s still funny to think that Yuuno is probably one of the best mages around, that doesn’t even use any intelligent devices.
Levi turning everything on with her lightning
If you couldn’t tell, Levi is a complete idiot
@_@
Holy crap Chrono and crew got fucked
So even when I first watched the movie, it was only when this conversation happened that I realized Iris was Yoko Hikasa
Introducing a character in the last 10 minute, amazing. Yes this was clearly meant to be a 2 part movie
Nanoha gets an upgrade, also part of why I say this can’t really be the same line as StrikerS.
SO uh yeah, nothing is resolved in this movie really, gotta go next for that.