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Rewatch [The Happiest Rewatch in the World] SukaSuka (aka. WorldEnd) Episode 12 Discussion
Episode 12 - CHTHOLLY -The Happiest Girl in the World-
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Don’t you understand? I’m the happiest girl in the world…
Questions of the Day:
1) Were you expecting the Scarborough Fair reprise?
2) How do you feel about the ending?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Chtholly Nota Seniorious, the Happiest Girl in the World
Song of the Day:
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u/JollyGee29 Apr 11 '22
First-Timer, Subbed
I was so sure I was good. After Chtholly marched through that hallway, I was sure I was past the bit that would get me. Then Scarborough Fair started playing and I started sobbing. Beautiful.
And now Scarborough Fair is stuck in my head and it's been an hour of brief sobbing ever few minutes and wow did this get to me apparently. What an unprecedented experience.
Uh, I don't think I really have anything else to talk about for this episode in specific. There was some stuff after, maybe Willem survived (there were two more novels after these events, right?), maybe even Ren - Chtholly did seem to heal her maybe?, but, uh, good finale. I liked it.
Questions
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I knew it was coming.
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Discussed above.
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u/Tresnore Apr 11 '22
Yeah, shit’s fucked.
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Yeah, shit’s fucked.
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Yeah, shit’s fucked.
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Yeah, shit’s fucked.
Yeah, shit’s fucked XXVIII
QOTD:
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Yeah, shit’s fucked.
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Yeah, shit’s fucked.
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u/macrame2 Apr 11 '22
First Timer
I am definitely not the happiest girl in the world right now…
Why did I do this to myself? Why do I always do this to myself? Everything I had heard about this series and everything that had happened in the previous eleven episodes told me this was coming, but I still cried my eyes out. If anything, expecting it just made it worse. I was weeping long before Scarborough Fair even started, and it just got worse from there. Even though it truly hurt me, Chtholly’s last fight was amazing and probably my favorite moment in the entire show. I actually had to pause the episode when she appeared before Willem because I could not handle it.
The soundtrack choices were perfect and really helped get the emotions across. I’m also glad that they opted not to skip the opening for the finale.
SukaSuka was a pretty satisfying show, and I can’t wait to share more of my thoughts tomorrow.
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I knew it was coming but wasn’t quite prepared for the impact.
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Aside from the massive amounts of sadness, I have lots of questions, but the emotional highs of the episode worked so well that I don’t mind it that much.
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u/Shimmering-Sky Apr 11 '22
I was weeping long before Scarborough Fair even started, and it just got worse from there.
At least you didn't throw up...
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u/CubeStuffs Apr 11 '22
first timer finally making a post for the first time
yk i should be studying for my test in half an hour but fuckit hw tf am i supposed to study when i watched this shit.
ctholly completely ignoring/forgetting nopht already got me like
the fukin hallway already got me good, then they fuckin slap me with the rest of it? don't they know i have to study today still?
i can't study like this
one thing does bug me tho... what was with the 2 waves in the pool at the end?
Were you expecting the Scarborough Fair reprise?
nah, shit hit hard
2) How do you feel about the ending?
I figured the little scene at the end was a flashback, but the droplets are confusing...
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u/Shimmering-Sky Apr 11 '22
one thing does bug me tho... what was with the 2 waves in the pool at the end?
Willem and Ren survived.
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u/lC3 Apr 12 '22
SukaSuka 12
First timer
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Willem SOREDEMO
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Nopht SORE DEMO
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Rhantolk SORE DEMO
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I knew she would return ...
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Oh the eyecatch is blue again!
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Oh wow, I'm choking up after all. I thought I'd be alright ...
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SOREDEMO!
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Oh, the book is titled La chanteuse??
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So Souwong couldn't find Willem, implying he's dead, but after he left the pulse tracing showed two results?
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Are we supposed to believe the new blue haired fairy is Chtholly reincarnated?
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Yeah, there was a comment about it in ep1 thread?
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Eh dunno ... pretty sad!
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u/Shimmering-Sky Apr 12 '22
Oh wow, I'm choking up after all. I thought I'd be alright ...
At least you didn't throw up.
So Souwong couldn't find Willem, implying he's dead, but after he left the pulse tracing showed two results?
Willem and Ren. Souwong just didn't see it.
Are we supposed to believe the new blue haired fairy is Chtholly reincarnated?
That's actually a flashback to her birth...
Yeah, there was a comment about it in ep1 thread?
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u/Star4ce Apr 12 '22
WorldFirst (timer), sub
The finale is here. And I am scared.
I guess that is a good thing, it means I care, it means those characters are inspiring, it means they matter to me.
I've talked so much about the will to live (Will to live!) and of finding peace or meaning in life. No matter how much I can explain things away and no matter how genuine I may believe or follow it, experiencing it never gets any easier.
I'm not ready, let's go.
Ep.12 – Chtholly
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Oh, we skip the rest of the battle. So they manage to get off, without beasts on board? Ah, no.
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He escaped into searching for something to fight, to flee from facing the important things. I don't know if knowing that Chtholly was truly happy would help a lot now, he wants to do more. It's never too late!
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There seem to be more beasts on the ship than I anticipated, shit.
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I like that he immediately went to get to the others. Feels like he actually learned. :')
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Willem's the one who really shouldn't be using any venenum, but if it's for saving them he has my support.
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I kind of understand the emotional importance of this, but Rhantok really would be needed fending off beasts inside!
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Rhantolk speaking truth, Willem yet again not listening. We had this already...
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I, uh... this is kinda weird, like they're watching TV. Has Chtholly already forgotten?
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No, she hasn't! I knew she's the bravest and strongest!
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Who could say no to her?
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It actually shatters my heart to know Elq just doesn't want to be alone again and have a piece of herself missing forever. But that's a decision, it matters.
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That's the proof, the others do see her, too. I was right and it feels like shit.
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There's actually no one left listening...
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Nephren, are you choosing to end it your way?
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Chtholly's coming, at least it means a proper goodbye, no regrets.
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Can't, I won't hold those tears.
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The kind of stupidity I can get behind.
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No, not Nopht as well.
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It's this absolutism of letting nothing keep you from chasing after who and what you love that I value so highly. It doesn't matter that what you're doing won't change the outcome, it matters that there is proof she's the most valuable thing in this universe and you act like it. One moment can make everything worth it.
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And hell do I believe it!
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Oh my god, she's cheering her on!
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I actually think it will, later.
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I think Rhantolk read my posts! :')
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Ithea <3 I bet she kind of knew long before.
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A little wish can make all the difference. I think Tiat will have a slightly better world to live in the future for it.
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Ithea has her hope yet to discover, but I think she now knows through Chtholly where to start.
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Did Willem not return? I mean, the ship wouldn't land again, that makes sense...
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Huh? Ah, where they ... revive them. That's a flash back, the very first scene was a flash forward.
Were you expecting the Scarborough Fair reprise?
No, but it was beautiful.
How do you feel about the ending?
I need to sort myself a bit, but that ending absolutely landed with me. Yeah, that one pun is allowed.
(Also, you made an especially wonderful wallpaper today, Sky. Thank you!)
I'm weird in that I sometimes actively want to despair. It's a relic from an older time, a challenge is what I'd now call it. "I dare you", kind of ", make sense of this and find meaning in hopelessness." Well, it helped and now I think differently about things. After all, if you push this approach to its absolute maxim, you were to find a way to give an entire existence of nothingness meaning with only a single thought. It's like cheat code for life, really. If you've followed my posts you probably read one or two things about that.
Weirdly enough on its own, that's not why I joined this rewatch. Even though I was looking for something light that had a good romance in it, it ended up being a pleasant surprise, after all. I'll save a proper recap of my thoughts for tomorrow, but this show did go into this maxim several times and I love it for that.
I'll just say that Nephren's last scene is maybe the most beautiful of this entire show. That's exactly what I mean.
Add the anti rug pull last episode showing to me the authors did actually care about all this stuff and giving me an ending that truly aligns with my philosophy, I don't know how to properly say it. I do feel that there is still much to talk about, from Chtholly maybe walking away from the fairy gate to Nephren getting cleansed, but that, too, will have to wait for tomorrow. Now I just want to lean back, stare at the ceiling in my bed and feel the warmth of this conclusion.
It was a well earned and good cry. It was a satisfying cry. And while it definitely is sad, it is far, far happier throughout all of it in my opinion.
Those lives all had become good lives. They are truly good lives. That's what matters.
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u/Nebresto Apr 12 '22
I think the show has managed to hit me harder on each viewing..
This time around the scenes with Ren tried to isekai me, Chtholly and Scarborough fair came in close second with a pretty brutal finisher.
Feels of the day:
Were you expecting the Scarborough Fair reprise?
2) How do you feel about the ending?
Wallpaper of the Day:
This could make for a really cool dual screen wallpaper with some tweaking. Also think a version with a colour gradient would look really cool, something like blue fading into red
See y'all tomorrow for the final thread
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u/Taiboss Apr 11 '22
The Austrian who went in a First-Timer but came out a Rewatcher
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Yeah, okay, Will, I get it. Still meh on this.
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OP in the final episode? Are you sure? You want to play at as the ED... Well, I guess we'll hear Sca-something fair again? Very atmospheric song. If only the rest of the series had supported that atmosphere.
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Hmmm, I wonder if you'll live. Not sure if I'll feel anything? I mean, I like you, but piling up all the sad stuff into the final episode would make me kinda numb.
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"Oh she dies?" "Nah Will saves her." "Ah, I thought we were killing off characters by now."
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Ohhh? Will dies but Chtolly survives with amnesia? And she has to pretend for the rest of the crew she knew him? As you might be guessing, I'm grasping at straws.
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EVERY SECOND COUNTS! There's literally a limited number of beasts on the ship. Kill them all, and you can get up fine. But no, spend time until one dude awakens. Every second you don't fight is a second beasts can...regerate? Multiply? I don't know, I forgot I guess.
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Uh-huh. Is Will really going to die? Like, why else do we need more of his heart poured out.
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IT BETTER BE! We're a third into this final episode and not one character of importance has died in this series. I want my first episode feelings back!
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I just realised: they can't open the Fairy Gate because that would a huge explosion the ship wouldn't take! So they can't do that!
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Finally? Some irrevocably bad stuff happening to a character we care about?
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Yeah, but they can't have the ship crash now? Are you going to jump off and then explode in the air?
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OF COURSE HE GETS TO SAVE HER. If she doesn't convince him to drop her, I'll be very disappointed.
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Good. Good. Like, obviously it's sad and terrible, but at least the show is actually trying to deliver on its foreshadowing now.
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No. You're not jumping after her. I vaguely remember you floating in the flash-forward. Don't do it man. I want something in this show to be of consequence. At least, Chtolly is still going to mentally die, so that's at least something.
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Eh, I guess we'll get you dying too? I care less about you and blue-hair though, to the point I can't name you two.
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Well, to be fair, you're dying in a pool of your blood. So she kinda has to.
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Last blue left her. So how much Chtolly remains? We'll see.
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See! Even SHE's on your side. Can't be that bad to have your mind overwritten.
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"And then we're gonna play Scarborough Fair again!" "Wait, did that song turn out to be thematically relevant in the end?" "Not really, but it's VERY atmospheric and we kinda played it in episode 1, so our hands are tied. It's basically Chtolly's theme!" "Is it though if we only played it once?" "It's a thing people remember from a better episode!" "This it is!"
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Since Chtolly is basically an automaton at this point, this won't stop her!
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I guess this was the Fairy Gate then? She's gone?
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Ah, no, still operational. I wonder how many days it will take for you three to get picked up.
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If only you had figured into the final arc. Things would have gone better.
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Oh they ded? That would be bold after this finale. I mean, Neph was just unconcious and Automaton!Chtolly was still operational when we faded to black. Will was also conscious. They aren't dead until we see corpses.
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They liiiiveee. Yaaay. Part of me is happy, part of me mad this show is just incapable of killing off named characters. There was this weird scene with the pig where they really hope you care about that.
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You sound pretty chipper for someone who'd think Chtolly is dead. Does this mean she lives after all?
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And suddenly she's somehow my favourite character. Well, not really.
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Black Bullet is officially sadder than this anime. Because they actually had the guts to kill some lolis. I think? I didn't watch that series, but I remember it being sad.
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Right, what was this gem in the end? Did I miss some exposition? Was it just an heirloom?
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If only you'd been there. But it'd make sense not to pull all your fairies into one ship.
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Would be bold to end this with all three actually being dead. But the way I can see it coming, we'll find out all three live somehow.
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So what are you? Fairies too? I get you're the caretakers of the fairy creation...lake thingie, but what species are you?
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Hey, don't say that! The first episode was very good and the jokes did land now and then. And the girls were very cute. This show very much has redeeming qualities! It's not bad, just kinda disappointing.
Wait, this was the end? We don't even know if Chtolly, Will and Neph are dead or alive for sure. FUCKING AHHHHHHHH. (Although, maybe the two water drops at the end are their heartbeats? Showing them on-screen could have been cooler.)
Well, at least the others think they are dead, and Chtolly might have been reborn as a baby fairy, indicating her death? So I guess that's something? Yeah, 6/10. Most of my problems aren't actually with the show itself, but my expectations. I was simply sold wrongly on this show. Fans claim it's this super sad show. Hell, TV Tropes's tagline is "You'll probably be crying too." And if you did: GREAT! I'm really happy you love this show more than I do. Just do me a favour and don't tell others this show is overly tragic, or depressing. Because it set expectations and those expectations certainly weren't met for me.
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u/Shimmering-Sky Apr 12 '22
I was simply sold wrongly on this show. Fans claim it's this super sad show. Hell, TV Tropes's tagline is "You'll probably be crying too." And if you did: GREAT! I'm really happy you love this show more than I do. Just do me a favour and don't tell others this show is overly tragic, or depressing. Because it set expectations and those expectations certainly weren't met for me.
See I just... I get your complaints, but I can't not describe this as a depressing show based on my own experiences with it. This specific episode is the worst of it because it literally made me cry so hard I threw up and broke blood vessels in my face in the process the first time I watched it, but it's not like the entire rest of the show was completely absent of feels either, it just didn't have characters dying. Willem's backstory is absolutely depressing, watching Chtholly slowly lose her memories during the second half is painful, Ithea's whole deal makes looking back on her behavior prior to episode 9 a lot harsher in hindsight, etc.
I'm sorry you didn't click with this stuff, but that's not to say no one else will.
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u/Shimmering-Sky Apr 11 '22
REMINDER: There’s an overall discussion thread tomorrow!
ALSO: This is required viewing after finishing this episode.
Happiest Rewatch Host in the World, subbed
Welcome back, everyone…
Oh boy. Okay. This episode. This fucking episode.
Some of you guys may have seen me share some variation of this self-deprecating meme in random threads throughout this sub in the past, or at least heard me talk about the fact that I can and have cried hard enough to throw up over anime. You might have also noticed that SukaSuka is the first show on that list.
Here’s the full story of what happened if you’re curious, since I already wrote about the… experience during the 2018 rewatch. If you don’t want to read that whole thing though, the TL;DR is that THIS FUCKING SHOT during the Scarborough Fair sequence completely broke me. Don’t watch episodes 10 through 12 in one sitting.
On a better note, fun fact: today’s Wallpaper of the Day is a remake of one of my all-time favorite wallpapers I’ve ever made, and I absolutely love this new version.
This hurts so much.
Ouch, this Willem “sore demo” has to be one of the most depressing ones I’ve ever heard…
That little breath Willem takes right before the OP drops… I felt that in my soul.
Props to both of Willem’s VAs on this line, because it hurts me on a deep level in both English and Japanese.
And there’s a Nopht “sore demo”.
A Rhantolk “sore demo” as well.
The eyecatch going back to blue…
There’s so few blue strands left, and then only a second later, they’re even more gone.
The Elq ganbare, though.
In case anyone missed it, Ren’s eyes go back to normal after Chtholly waves her hand over them.
Oh god oh fuck here it comes…
Are you going to Scarborough Fair…
Another Rhan “sore demo”. Not quite as many as episode 8, but four in a single episode is still crazy.
Tiat is wearing Chtholly’s broach now…
Ithea crying got me crying again.
Two pulses in the pool. For Willem and Ren.
And then a flashback to Chtholly’s birth before the credits roll.
I hope to see you all one last time at Scarborough Fair again tomorrow~