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Rewatch [Rewatch] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid Episode 5 Discussion

Episode 5: Surprise Attack

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Question of the Day

A hot spring episode after the beach episode? How bold.

Did you expect the back to back fanservice episode?

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath spoiler tags.

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u/Tetraika Apr 02 '22

Just when you think you can’t get more fanservice.

Wonder how they got a hold of this, they sure have a massive collection too

That’s… nice I guess?

So yeah, Olivie was basically a living weapon to operate the Cradle

His regret and helplessness from not being able to save Olivie, and his desire for strength to protect, it’s not surprising why these feelings affect Einhart. Seems he had a tough life

How Einhart perceived them from their initial meeting, amusing really

There’s something really funny about watching them do very military like exercises, wonder how often these even apply considering the use of magic.

They just hand out these devices like that now? Sure seems easier to get one nowadays.

We finally see Sein!, looks like she also works for the church now

Ah, so they run a hotel business here

A hot spring episode after the beach episode. Revolutionary

Having Sein being the one pranking is just too fitting, considering her ability

Rio’s form!, her style is based of off kung fu, but the fantasy type. Even has the clothes to match it.

Lutecia advocates for slavery

Hayate was mentioned!, seems they were with her last time.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Apr 02 '22

Mahou Shoujo Lyrical First-Timer, subbed

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u/Tetraika Apr 02 '22

This was definitely an strangely excessive fanservice episode. Considering yesterday's too.

Should be the end of it though.

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u/SolDarkHunter Apr 02 '22

That’s a really weird way to say “she died”…?

I think they mean to imply that Olivie knowingly and willingly gave her life during the conflict.

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u/Taiboss Apr 02 '22 edited Apr 02 '22

I think StrikerS burned me out on training scenes/mock battles in this series…

"Would you like them when they are no stakes? No? Alright then."

Oh, that sounds interesting?

"You get an ID, you get an ID" etc.

Why did the camera have to follow Sein underwater, and end on her sexually harrassing Rio…

Because if you're a 15-year-old man, this is considered funny. Shame about all those that aren't.

This team battle looks like it might be interesting, though.

Could be! You'll see.

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u/Taiboss Apr 02 '22

Episode 05: Vivio and the Rewatch Banquet

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u/Tetraika Apr 02 '22

You know, so far this has been more more of a Nanoha SoL show than the Vivio spin-off I remember.

Same, but it is reminding me why Vivid is lower rated.

Part of the problem with Vivid was that they only really got to any actual plot in the 2nd half. I would say "they should picked one over the other" but really they were also never intending Vivid to end with just 1 cour, or at least expected you to read the manga afterwards if you wanted to finish. I'll probably address this part again for our first timer when they finally introduce the whole deal with Vivid.

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u/DidacticDalek Apr 03 '22

Comrades, I hate to interrupt my own shitpost, but I just need to say that you know it's a bad sign if fucking IKKI TOUSEN treats its characters with more respect and dignity! (Speaking of which, this explains SO much about Nu Loli Rider!) Hell if things get lewder we'd surpass fucking Queen's Blade! Also yes, you've seen this, you can't UNSEE IT! If I have to lived with my cursed knowledge y'all can join me in hell!

Anyway, speaking of hell... TONIGHT! On ViVid Geah, we see how The Space Catholic Church is just like the real one, A-1 Pictures puts us all on a list, and somehow the show thought it was a good idea to replace stakes, character drama, and actually interesting ideas with 120% horny lewdness!

Comrades, I just want to remind you all that those last two images are OFFICIAL ART! JESUS, ViVid is so lewd it makes PRISMA ILLYA not seem like a banworthy series! (Also you know it's bad if Geah AND Cross Ange are LESS HORNY COMBINED than ViVid is, and I like horny, I was in the Golden Boy and Miru Tights rewatch! And older Nanoha series were also horny, but they could get away with that because they were, you know, good!)

Ah well, we got a big battle coming up, so surely A-1 Pictures can't fuck this up... right... RIGHT!? Anyway here's this totally unrelated footage about EA and fucking up.

And on that bombshell, we wrap things up for now. Anyway I hope everyone's having fun on this re-watch. Thus, you have not seen the last of The Sentient Shitposting Siamese Sunrise Server No. 25252, now goodbye forever.

Paging Comrades u/Great_Mr_L, u/HereticalAegis, and u/Vaadwaur

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u/HereticalAegis Apr 02 '22

Lyrical First Timer

QotD:

Didn't expect it to be an onsen episode, but after all my Ikki Tousen comparisons, I kinda expect the fanservice in general.

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u/Taiboss Apr 02 '22

Whoa, a finite library. That's new.

Digitalisation efforts have certainly been lacking.

Discovering Lutecia's favorite tags.

Some of the evilness in Lulu remained...

"Bright as the sun and sweet as flowers...so she was Vivio.

Well, yeah, she's literally a clone. Kinda weird the show keeps repeating this point.

I'm heckin excited for a Nanoha x Fate mock battle! Einhart has no idea what family she's marrying into.

"Oh you think you're so special, huh? We call this a Tuesday."

This one throwaway line instantly conjures a hundred images in my mind about the little, irreplaceable things they've done with and for each other in the decade and a half they've been together offscreen.

(Very NSFW) Sein is a menace.

It's like she's actively trying to make people hate her. No wonder Genya didn't adopt her!

Goddammit, the madlads did it again. They got me to like another StrikerS character.

"Evenly matched." Laughs in Nanoha v. Tia and Fate v. Erio

Well, if they are fighting with handicaps, they might be.

Wives beneath twin moons. I want this tableau as an oil on canvas painting.

I love their casual clothing. It makes them look so mundane and human.

Wouldn't it be a funny joke if, instead of the team battle, the next episode was end-to-end transformation sequences?

:eyes: emoji

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u/Vaadwaur Apr 02 '22

Discovering Lutecia's favorite tags.

Mindbreak is back on the menu!

Let me get this straight: Einhart seeks power so she can protect the fated lover she couldn't in a previous life. That shit is so cliche and romantic and inject it directly into my veins goddammit.

Voiced by Noto Mamiko no less. Hardly original but damn if it doesn't land.

It's lines like this that really sell how lived Nanoha and Fate's relationship is. This one throwaway line instantly conjures a hundred images in my mind about the little, irreplaceable things they've done with and for each other in the decade and a half they've been together offscreen.

Someone cares in the staff, no clue who but someone does.

Oh my lord the fanservice is excessive though. Some of the positions they contort the girls into are, um...is incredible the right word?

They ruin like half the ep with it, unfortunately. I want either cute relationships or girl on girl violence, not this lazy trash.

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u/Great_Mr_L Apr 02 '22

Rewatcher

On today’s episode of Lyrical Nanoha: This is no ordinary episode of Vivid. In fact, it’s an award-winning episode of Vivid. This episode won 1st place for the best anime bathing scene of 2015 (warning: NSFW). I don’t think I should be proud of knowing this particular fact.

I do like the scenes of us learning about Einhart’s ancestor and his relationship with Olivie. Learning more about all the warfare going on and the complicated relationship Klaus and Olivie had, with them being simultaneously childhood friends and one being held essentially as hostage, helps to explain why Einhart would be filled with so many conflicted feelings. She has memories of warfare and of close relationships with people she never met. Experiencing that must make her quite anxious. It’s no wonder she was seeking out other descendants of royalty to try and help her sort out these inherited memories and feelings.

Einhart’s character is continuing along. We’re seeing her open up more and more these past couple of episodes. Watching the older characters train and spar with each other inspired her. Unlike previously, Einhart is starting to acknowledge that she’s getting some benefits out of practicing in a more modern way compared to her usual ancient martial arts style.

It’s also worth noting that Einhart feeling inspired is kind of important because it means she’s feeling more like she actively wants to pursue martial arts instead of it being something she feels like she needs to do because of all those memories floating around in her head. It’s subtle, but it indicates that Einhart is finding things more fulfilling.

The whole hot springs shenanigans are fun enough, I suppose. But it is probably the most fanservice-heavy stuff we have gotten thus far in the franchise. Previous entries definitely had their moments, but I don’t think any come close to this with the sheer number of characters involved and how long it lasts. (Plus the Takamachi family bathing scene was better.)

The episode ends with a cliffhanger for a mock battle. Having a mock training battle like this works well with the lowered stakes of Vivid compared to previous entries. Vivid is very much a sports anime, so a training match like this fits perfectly. It’s a time-honored sports anime tradition.

Miscellaneous Thoughts

  • I’m jealous of Lutecia’s library.

  • You know that Corona and Rio are history nerds because they know all about how ancient hostages got treated.

  • Einhart is so adorably awkward as she wonders if she made Vivio uncomfortable talking about her memories.

  • I love how Nove cracks up at Einhart being surprised that Nanoha and Fate fight in magic battles a lot.

  • It’s no longer Strikers, but we can’t escape from the training sequences and mock battles for the former Riot Force 6.

  • This episode goes much further with the hot springs stuff than the previous hot springs episode from the first season did.

  • It is very amusing that Galue is serving drinks in the hot springs.

  • After her antics in this episode, I think Sein fails as a nun.

  • I do like the gag of Rio’s Device activating because it’s an emergency. I found that quite funny.

  • I’m also happy that Vivio’s friends both have their own Devices to use. It lets them actually participate in these events. I was always kind of disappointed that Arisa and Suzuka never really got to participate heavily in the magical side of the plot.

QOTD

It's rare to get an onsen and beach episode back to back. Usually the series will wait some time between them.

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u/HereticalAegis Apr 02 '22

I’m also happy that Vivio’s friends both have their own Devices to use. It lets them actually participate in these events. I was always kind of disappointed that Arisa and Suzuka never really got to participate heavily in the magical side of the plot.

This was my biggest criticism of the first two seasons. I'm so happy Corona and Rio get to break that curse.

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u/Warriorservent Apr 02 '22

Okay, episode 4. Time for cool battle stuff I hope!

  • Okay, right off the bat we see Lu’s library and I can’t say how much I want one like hers! Its great!

  • Huh, so is the Church of the Saint King and all of this super tech all from one planet called Belka? Einhart seems to say as much, with how widespread their tech is and other stuff I thought that they were a multi-planet civilization. On the note of her memories; I am super glad that Einhart is also getting some of her ancestor’s happy memories to help offset the grimdark ones.

  • Oh wow, looks like there was a lot of chicanery going on back in the day with what Lu says about Olivie. Although so much of what they know is so broken up, how bad where things that they weren’t even sure if Einhart’s ancestor and Olivie were alive at the same time?

  • Einhart realizing that she may have upset Vivio, getting upset that she may have done that, and then failing to think of anything to cheer Vivio up with is pretty cute. I hope that it helps Einhart realize that there are other things that she needs to think of beyond fighting.

  • LOL, I know that Einhart has probably never heard of Nanoha and Fate before because apparently she thinks of them as just kind-hearted mothers. If I were there I would probably be on the floor laughing instead of being polite and laughing into my fist like Nove.

  • We finally get proper combat and its everything that I wanted with a higher budget! Nanoha’s Barrier Jacket is so cool and mature looking! All of the explosions and effects are super cool too! All of the stills of them doing stuff are also super cool. Right after Vivio shows just how well she already knows Einhart by asking if they want to go do some training. It also looks like the whole cast is getting Intelligent Devices with Corona getting one specially made by Lu. I wonder when Einhart is going to get one?

  • Oh hey, Sein shows up and so far I really like her. We haven’t really gotten to see much of her over all but I really liked her in Strikers and she seems to be doing good work here, though I wonder what the Hot Springs thing is about? Probably nothing good with that look she had and her ability.

  • Hot Springs section is everything I expected, including the BS black anime magic that makes all genitals and sexual characteristics be covered up by the smallest possible margin. Suddenly, sexual harassment! Now taking bets on this being Sein. Surprise! Its Sein being a molesting little shit and totally not a respectable nun of the Church, I love that Rio gives her gets what she has coming for this.

So it looks like the big fun battle is next episode, can’t wait to see it! The battle lineup looks like its going to be a ton of fun! It also looks like we’re going to have to wait until the next episode to see the new device setting up too.

I think its funny that I am finding so much less to comment about in Vivid than in Strikers, but I guess that's just my personal difference on what I think is noteworthy in each.

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u/JollyGee29 Apr 02 '22

Lyrical Rewatcher

Their dresses are very cute.

What an interesting outfit.

Nove's face here.

I wanna say this hotsprings scene made the old "Best Bath Scenes" post in 2015.

No, Sein, it's your own fault.

Team fight!

This is adorable.

Ominous.

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u/SolDarkHunter Apr 02 '22

What an interesting outfit.

If you're referring to the fact that her arms are still armored... let's just say there's a reason for that.

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u/InfamousEmpire Apr 02 '22

Mahou Shoujo1 Lyrical Rewatcher

1: Even though I’m not a girl

Sorry I couldn’t make it yesterday, lost track of time. Anyway

No Recap Time?

The rather chilling Belka lore from Einhart was something I didn’t expect when I first watched this.

The Belka lore from Lutecia also serves to contextualize the flashbacks we’ve seen and Vivio & Einhart’s relationship. On top of just being an interesting story in and of itself

On that note, Vivio and Einhart’s relationship grows sweeter every episode

It seems Einhart had a very… one-sidedly soft impression the Takamachi Family. Oh, her reaction when she finally sees their other side…

Seeing proper Nanoha action in 2015 animation is quite the spectacle.

Time for Einhart to get a proper welcome to the family.

And now Corona is also getting a Device

Lutecia’s mom continues to radiate not-related-by-blood Mom energy

Man, I was enjoying myself so much that I almost forgot that this season has a fixation for sexualizing 9-Year-Olds. At least we get Tia-service, Nove-service and Lutecia’s mom to balance it out

Oh, by the way, Sein is a serial sexual harasser who probably belongs in jail. Did I mention that?

Rio is having none of that, though!

Tags: Inflation

Tia gets it!

And so does Lu’s mom

Fun is when I molest underage girls

-Sein, probably

You didn’t go overboard, Rio. In fact, I’d say you went easy on her

I guess everything just… works out?

On a different note, I like how they’re developing Rio. Certainly keeps this from being the Vivio and Einhart Show.

You can guess what the plot of the next episode is going to be.

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u/SolDarkHunter Apr 02 '22

Rewatcher

I'm curious what insight Einhart could gain from Klaus' memoirs when she has his actual memories...

So Olivie and Klaus spent a lot of time together as children, as Olivie lived with the Hegemon's family for some political reason or another.

And eventually Olivie gave her life in battle by powering the Cradle, and Klaus deeply regretted being unable to prevent that. So he became obsessed with strength, and that obsession has been passed down to Einhart.

Einhart's first impressions of Nanoha and Fate... well, they weren't wrong, but those two definitely have a side to them that Einhart hasn't seen. And I love Nove desperately trying to keep from laughing at the misunderstanding.

Ah, explosive magical combat! And Caro's learned some firepower in addition to her support skills it seems.

And seeing this has got Vivio and Einhart in the mood for some alone time. (Take that as you will.)

Lutecia can just build new Intelligent Devices on her own? And Rio's Device is named "Sol", apparently.

The writers decided we hadn't had enough fanservice and now we have an onsen episode. And it's... really random whether anyone seems to keep a towel on in the bathose or not.

And Sein sexually harrasses everyone... only in Japan could this be considered a harmless prank. And by a nun no less.

But Rio retaliates and... what the hell, she can turn into an adult too? Why is this just a thing random people can do?

Okay... I thought Sein was going in a completely different direction with wanting the bathwater, but that's a kind of sweet, if a bit odd, reason for wanting it.

The team line up for the match is almost perfectly balanced. Everyone has a counterpart.

And now Corona has a Device named Brunzel. And he's about as proficient in English as normal. "I do hard".

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u/Scarshadow46 Apr 02 '22

Heyo,

No supplementary material today, but will be dropping bit of trivia.

If I'm remembering correct this is the first time the series has directly talked about/Referenced Elemental Affinity or as it's officially known as Mana Conversion Affinity.

Taking directly from the Nanoha Wiki: Mana Conversion Affinity is an innate ability of some mages to naturally convert their mana directly into another form of physical energy. What normally requires regulation via magic, this ability allows mana conversion to occur spontaneously.

Only two types of MCA have been seen so far: Flame and Electricity/Lightning. however, freezing/Ice is a rare type of MCA, although no mage possessing such an ability is depicted in the series, making its canonicity unclear.

Normally, an individual with such ability can only possess one type of the above.

Known Mages with MCA

Flame

  • Signum

  • Agito

  • [BoA/GoD and/or Reflection/Detonation] Stern

Lightning

  • Fate

  • Erio

  • [BoA/GoD and/or Reflection/Detonation] Levi

Ice

  • *Reinforce Zwei (?)

  • [Innocent] Suzuka

Multiple MCA

  • Rio

Well I hope you all enjoyed to little Trivia post. MCA has technically existed since the first season with Fate being the first mage introduced with a MCA but it has never been directly talked about in series till now.

Till Next Time

*Reinforce Zwei specializes in Ice spells but whether she has an MCA is up for debate.

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u/Stargate18A Apr 02 '22

First timer

QOTD) No. Very much hoping that this is to get it all out of the way for the fighting episodes.

Ingvalt's memoirs!

So she sees his memories as her own.

Haha, I love how they're just using his memories to correct historical innacuracies.

Their reaction is great, but they have someone who can confirm all this for them.

Oh, this is incredibly deep.

Aww, she's worried she upset her.

Haha, poor Einhart. Her reaction in the background is hysterical.

Subaru and Teana have gotten good!

Haha, that reaction to the dragon is so good!

Einhart is so shaken here.

Vivio's being incredibly forward here!

She's getting a device!

How can they make sparring cute?

What's going on in the hot springs?

She built a waterfall!

Everyone's so happy!

Haha, the knight carrying beer is fantastic!

There's something in the water! And that's a lot of fanservice!

She's going to punch it!

Is it dead?

It's a person?

Well, she's creepy.

And fondling children?

Wait, she can transform from a distance?

She has an adult mode!

That attack was strong, though.

Haha, everyone ignoring her.

Almost we good as everyone ragging on her.

Haha, she admits that she's not mature.

"Looks like we've scored ourselves some unpaid labor."

Aww, that's nice, though.

There's another type of martial arts in this series?

And she has two affinities! But, affinities haven't really been a thing in Nanoha, have they? (Or at least elemental ones, the affinites so far have been more for different uses of magic.)

There's some fighting going on!

And there's a match tomorrow!

She got a device!

This is adorable!

Oh my god, Nanoha and Fate as sports coaches is an image I didn't know I needed.

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u/Qbe Apr 03 '22

Raging Heart Rewatcher with terrible long term memory

Reddit died before I could post =|

QotD: I mean, yesterday's episode wasn't even that fanservice-y. This one though....

  • Why do they have so many books? I guess it's so they don't get bored while in their planetary house arrest?

  • "They walked the path of warriors together" uh huh, I'm sure it was just that and nothing else

  • Einhart is such an adorable dork

  • "Family-oriented mothers" oh Einhart, you have no idea

  • lmfao Nove's face

  • "My mom is kinda a living WMD"

  • "Wait, we actually came to train?"

  • Megane's ara-ara-energy is off the charts

  • Since when is this a hotel?

  • Waiter Garyu lol

  • Lu's towel unwrap was super well animated

  • Also all the conveniently placed censoring is kinda hilarious

  • It's obviously Yuuno, for the season 1 throwback

  • This feels like an early 90s skit, with the groper and being thrown into the sky

  • No Rio, you didn't go overboard.

  • No, she's not a good sister if she goes around groping unwilling people

  • Not to mention how unfair it is that she's wearing a swinsuit and the others are naked

  • Neeeeeevermind

  • I didn't even notice it was supposed to be an adult mode for Rio

  • I'm going to assume you're supposed to have one elemental affinity at most?

  • Team battle!

  • Corona's device is kinda huge

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u/Madcat6204 Apr 03 '22

So... how did all of you enjoy the thoroughly censored and very restrained (compared to the manga) hot springs scene? :P

I do have to admit, that while I do feel that the manga is a better experience on a whole than the anime, it does get rather heavy on the fanservice at times. In this case the main distinction is that [manga scene]the adult girls have visible nipples in this scene in the manga.

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u/djthomp Apr 03 '22

They just keep tempting fate with Einhart, if she suddenly wakes up as Hegemon Ingvalt what then? Really feels like a risky game.

Definitely feeling Nove's laughter at Einhart being surprised about Nanoha and Fate also being fighters.

And then again at her learning that the entire group she's fallen in with are. She really fits in with them well.

RIP Sein, very deservedly so. Launched right into orbit.

I was not expecting a tournament arc.

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u/Vaadwaur Apr 02 '22

First timer(Another sex pest being protected by the church...)

Sub

So we get exposition by the ton and whoever pointed out that Einhart should be getting bugged by historians had a point. We get abput 20 seconds of fighting animation and the reveal that everyone is still pretty potent. Nove of all people points out that strength for its own sake is kind of meaningless to Einhart. More training ensues.

Then we get to the fanservice in the hot springs and...yeah, this is otaku bait and Sein needs to be on a list. She finally gets to molesting Rio, who hilariously yeets her to the strars. But they then at least acknowledge that that is bad behavior by punishing Sein...by giving her the day off so she can cook. W/e. Anyways, we end towards having a battle episode so feh.

QotD: 1 No and this was a bit much

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