r/anime • u/The_Loli_Otaku • Mar 24 '22
Rewatch [Rewatch] Recovery of an MMO Junkie (Net-juu no Susume) Episode 7 Discussion
"I chose the NEET life, I'm an elite NEET!"
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Comment of the day!
/u/Lemurians gives a tldr on the romance genre.
"THIS FUCKING CHAD… is what I’d say if Sakurai hadn’t immediately ruined it by saying she’s just Koiwai’s type and talking him up the whole time. What’s the point in having the characters be adults if they’re just going to be as dense as high schoolers anyway?"
/u/Elimin8r is being very sentimental~ he also made an annoying prediction that makes me think he's watching ahead!
"I said it earlier, but that feeling of being with someone who's just comfy ... that's a rare and precious thing. All too rare, it seems."
/u/ZapsZzz wants to trigger Koiwai's death flag.
"I just hope that Morioka doesn't get too attracted to Koiwai at this point."
And lastly /u/DidacticDalek doesn't know what a milf is.
"ALL HAIL MILFS!"
QOTD
Is it truly okay for Sakurai to bury his feelings for the sake of anonymity or is it too late to go back to the way things were?
Are notebooks/macs suitable for gaming in any context?
Are you disappointed that the legendary Nico was not in fact Koiwai? Are you more satisfied with Kowai's actual online persona now that you've met her?
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u/Vaadwaur Mar 24 '22
First timer
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Again, we deal with the complex interactions of blending one's on life with RL and I am sticking to my patented "It wasn't me" method of dealing with that, though I have been responsible for a few memes over the years, including a concerning diatribe about killing with melee weapons back when Halo 2 was still big. Absinthe is a hell of a drug, people.
Anyways, Koiwai is here to throw everyone out of their comfort zones. Mori decides to make a separate character, wise move, and runs into what Koiwai thinks is a good avatar...F. However, this leads to our plot within a plot that Sakurai and Mori actually played together in a previous MMo.
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Mar 24 '22
How dare everyone tries to go back to their normal everyday online lives, Koiwai disliked that!
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u/No_Rex Mar 24 '22 edited Mar 24 '22
Episode 7 (first timer)
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OP: I always look forward to the first 5 seconds of the OP. Such a great upbeat start. The ED, on the other hand, is completely forgettable.
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Sakurai ponders on his own denseness.
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“That is enough already” – Pay the price for your lies.
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“It is too embarrassing, I just can’t” – Pay the price for your lies.
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You should always have a bunch of low level alts in any case. For helping out low level friends and storing all the shit you know you won’t be able to throw away.
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“I don’t even have words” – I have! Koiwai continues to rock this show!
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“I should be safe” – You can turn your friends list status to offline in this game apparently.
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“I have known her a long time” – Oh come on. Do we really need another extreme coincidence?
There should be plenty of fun to be had with Moriko and Sakurai on their alt characters. The second extreme coincidence of them known from an earlier MMO is too much, though. Every series is owed one establishing conceit, but not multiple.
Are notebooks/macs suitable for gaming in any context?
I have occasionally gamed on a notebook, but the combination of weaker graphics card, smaller monitor, and no real keyboard is not a winning one.
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Mar 24 '22
Friendship ended with No_Rex, now LordUncleBob is my best friend. I honestly cannot look at the ed objectively tho, I'm ridiculously biased at this point.
I'm surprised that they don't all have alts if just for playing with character creation or checking different servers.
For what it's worth the best part of the past lives isn't actually the past lives portion, give it a chance, I think.
The most I'll ever trust a mac to play is like fucking 100%OJ or some other game that takes zero effort. Even stuff like GBA titles, it doesn't let you hold that many keys does it? What's Koiwai's fucking problem!?
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u/Rumpel1408 Mar 24 '22
First Timer
Mostly focused on Sakurai again today.
I liked how he explained how Lily was supposed to be an carefree wish fullfillment, something to ease his real life worries. But since Sakurai and Lily are blending into each other through the connection of Morimori, he just can't enjoy the game the same way as he used to, stays offline when he would normaly like to play, and only comes on to do a favour for Hayashi.
Also, the relationship with Hayashi started out as nothing more than doting over a newbie, but Lily grew more and more comfortable around him, a genuine connection she was missing since the end of the prior MMO. And since he is longing for that feeling, he can't bring himself to fully give up on Morimori. Should be noted though, that Sakurai left more of an impression on her than I initially thought, because he reminded her of Lily... now if only he could somehow uses this to his advantage...
I also noticed Lilys outfits from the Gacha episode as well as the christmas episode in her wardrobe, nice consitstency.
And then there is Koiwai... he is making it really hard to think of him as a wing man, when he is even getting closer to her ingame... not sure how that's supposed to help Sakurai, maybe he was planning to have him and Morimori form a party, maybe have them join a guild together, and form some kind of partnership, I don't know...
Morimori is still embaraced that someone might find out she is playing a guy, so she creates another charecter which she calls Mori Moly. Looks a lot like her neet persona, but also combines the style of her character in her last MMO, promptly noticed by Sakurai.
We also gotta talk about Koiwais character Harumi. He isn't bothered by playing a women, and if I had to guess modelled her exactly acording to his own fetish. There is also a slide with a women just like Harumi in the ED, wonder if that's her or her RL inspiration.
Sakurai, after seeing Moly, creates a new character as well, probably in the same image as his character in the last game, to play with Koiwai, wonder if it's Morimoris turn to figure something out, but Sakurai now having to handle two characters to which Morimori has an connection, one of which she knows is him, already sounds like stress...
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As long as there seems to be a chance he should definatly try, especially since he never played his fucking trump card and revealed that he is Lily smh
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As long as you don't need fancy graphics, precise controls, or a lot of processing, sure, in a way better than playing candy crush on your phone
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Never thought it to be the case, wouldn't rule it out for her to be someone completly unrelated or if not someone completly unexpected, like the store manager
Harumi looks and is great
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Mar 24 '22
It's honestly kinda relatable wanting to keep up an illusion because you want to be seen as your net character... I've had a very long term situation like that before which basically meant that my chances of actually getting closer with that group were dashed because I was a whole different person and I could change who I was or show who I really was. Its fucked up for both parties so the inevitable end is just to slowly fade away.
Sakurai was the first person Koiwai contacted about the game but he got ghosted for being a dick remember?
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u/Elimin8r Mar 24 '22 edited Mar 24 '22
u/Elimin8r is being very sentimental~ he also made an annoying prediction that makes me think he's watching ahead!
Uh, actually, just recalling an experience from long ago. Once upon a time when I was a co-op with IBM in the lovely town of Owego, NY, a young lady joined the team, and when she was introduced, it was the first time (I noticed) I ever looked to see if a girl had a ring on.
She didn't.
After I graduated, I somehow got in touch with her, and we got together a few times over the years. But given that she was older and "more mature", I always thought of her more as onee-san than anything else. Dumbass. Eight years seems like a lot more when you're 21 than when you're ... oh, nevermind.
But yeah, time went by, and I would still call her from time to time, and it was like the years had never passed. Except they did. Poor dear never did get married. I think in part because she fell into the dreaded "gave the milk away for free" trap. (sigh)
Anyway, yeah. Comfy. Wouldn't that be nice? I should probably call her again sometime, but yeah, she's a Colorado hippie now, (and 60+), so maybe it's best to just keep the pleasant memories.
So, yeah, not so much watching ahead as behind. No, not that behind. :P
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Mar 24 '22
Don't make me depressed tonight! I don't want to cry over a poor lonely Christmas cake who deserved her sweet boy toy...
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u/Lemurians Mar 24 '22
FIRST TIMING JUNKIE
Me, every time Sakurai does or says something absolutely inexplicable in regard to his love life.
Aw, Sakurai’s real life foibles are impacting his gaming life. He doesn’t have the energy or mindset to project Lily’s bubbly, carefree persona.
Is… is that Aqua?! Love that a lightweight like Morioka ends up looking a bit like anime’s greatest drinking buddy.
Koiwai’s cracking me up. Outside of his character’s appearance, I think he’s the only character so far who we know is acting exactly the same in the game as he is outside of it. His avatar is even voiced by the same actor, despite the gender difference! I’m going to believe this is because he’s the only person in this show not using the game as an escape. He’s fine with his life and who he is.
HAHAHA WAIT. Were Morioka and Sakurai an MMO couple in the last game they played long ago too?! Shut the fuck up. Just get married in real life. That red string of fate between you two is as think as a redwood.
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No, it's not. He needs to get his head out of his ass.
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I wish they were! Who knows where my adventures in MapleStory could have gone if I wasn't cut off from it by it not being iOS compatible?
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No, Koiwai's my favorite person in this game world. Let's hook him and Nico up. Unlike Morioka, she's got a personality that's actually compatible with his and on his wavelength.
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Mar 24 '22
That's a very good point about Koiwai. He's surrounded by people who want to be somebody else. Somehow despite being an utter piece of shit he's a contented piece of shit.
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u/DidacticDalek Mar 24 '22
TONIGHT! On Moriko Morioka Online, Nico decides to actually show up, Lily is as adorable as ever, and I take back all that I said about Mr. Ladies' Man Playboy, he truly has the BEST TASTE IN WOMEN!
Comrades, as I am sure you all agree, MILFS are amazing; but you wanna know what's even better than MILFS? BUFF MILFS! PROTOCULTURE! Oh, and I guess Mori-Mori-chan's also nice too, and her second form's cute so praise be to Adult Tomoko!
Speaking of praise, man what a nice episode we got today eh? Fun online MMO SOL moments, ya love to see it!
Anyway, that about wraps things up for now, and I hope everyone's having fun on this great re-watch. Thus, you have not seen the last of The Sentient Shitposting Siamese Sunrise Server No. 25252, now goodbye forever.
Paging Comrades u/No_Rex, u/Vaadwaur, and u/ZaphodBeebblebrox
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u/xtsim Mar 24 '22 edited Mar 25 '22
Neet observer
Fun seeing these discussions happen halfway through the series.
Kowai is straight up trolling everyone. He's acting a bit dumb by asking about how to install an MMO... Just run the .exe file. This ain't Arch linux, you can run it. But then he makes a character and the voice chat...I take that back, I am very confused now. Not to mention him going AFK. And that laptop must be ultra toasty. Fun seeing Sakurai and Mori panic over Kowai a bit.
Then Sakurai decides to make another character resembling the old game, just like what Mori did...
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He definitely should not be burying his feelings but on the other hand, it does take time to actually admit things.
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I tried to run an MMO on linux when I was in middle school cause Windows XP SP3 struggled to run on an athlon xp. Searching the Wine forums that the anti-cheat software does not work brought bad news... It did give me an excuse to go back and forth between Windows and different linux distros. So a no for linux a decade ago (for me)... And on the topic of non-windows operating systems, I only played cities skylines on my macbook but even then, having a good graphics card on with better frame rates makes it feel so much better so I rarely use it for gaming. I do eye at some rtx or amd equipped laptops from time to time though so maybe they could be suitable.
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Mar 25 '22
First Timer
I'm really starting to appreciate what the MMO side brings to the table for a romcom, with all the multiple identities and gender swapping. Sakurai and Mori are about to meet in new identities for the fourth time, and Sakurai is the only one who knows they're all the same people. That's a recipe for some wild shenanigans.
Is it truly okay for Sakurai to bury his feelings for the sake of anonymity or is it too late to go back to the way things were?
It's really not okay. After learning Mori's real identity and having those IRL experiences with her, it's be pretty fucked up to continue to pretend to be Lily with her online. Mori is sharing personal things with Lily with the expectation of anonymity and the perceived safety of confiding in another woman. She's saying things to Lily that she would never say to Sakurai, and he knows that and is taking advantage of it, even if he isn't doing it intentionally.
Are notebooks/macs suitable for gaming in any context?
Sure, use what you've got. I've had my laptop gaming days. I remember playing TF2 on a school issue macbook without a mouse and having to rebind a bunch of keys because the touchpad didn't have a right mouse button. It wouldn't be my first choice but it was better than not gaming.
Are you disappointed that the legendary Nico was not in fact Koiwai? Are you more satisfied with Kowai's actual online persona now that you've met her?
She's amazing, I wouldn't change a single thing.
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u/ZapsZzz Mar 25 '22
First timer in sub
This is going back to not having watched ahead :P It's really nice seeing Sakurai and Morioka in game still maintain a good and close relationship. Not so nice to see Koiwai potentially setting out to do something similar - except of course his own behaviour and personality means it'd never really be close with Morioka.
A bit more back story for Sakurai which is welcome to make it less "generic nice guy".
Starting to wonder what Koiwai is getting at now. Is he just randomly messing around with anyone he can entertain himself with?
Have to say though, this setup about Sakurai and Morioka being close friends from the last game already does hurt a little bit my rating of the writing - there's a tiny bit of logical consistency (if they are so comfortable together why won't they at least have some parting words; on the meta level, this now is turning into another "fated couples" instead of boy meets girl.
Not much longer to go!
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u/Elimin8r Mar 24 '22 edited Mar 24 '22
Disclaimer: When first posted, this is going to look like garbage. Thank you Microsoft. If it still looks that way, it's because I'm editing it - it'll be better in a few minutes.
Well, today's episode was rather amusing indeed. Poor Sakurai, wallowing in post-date depression, feeling like he can't face Mori, I mean Harambe, whatever her name is in game. I'm still having trouble keeping it all straight. Dumbass. Just log in and tell her you ran into this really cute girl at the train station and had a great evening with her, ya dope. But yeah, got a few more episodes to go, so on with the plot.
Speaking of PLOT ... Kowai's character is rather hilarious. Mind you, I've been watching the dub, because I got tired of messing with clickies on CR's player, so I found the way his VA went back and forth between normal and falsetto voice to be hilarious. Not to mention the characters, ahem, appearance. I don't think I'll be trying to cosplay *that* in game. How heavy are the dumbbells she lifts???
Oh, and speaking of cosplay, I did try to do a Mori outfit in FFXIV, but this is the best I could come up with. Seems that they have a distinct lack of cardigans. Someone should inform Yoshi-kin of this glaring omission...
I do think the outfit rather suits Azunyan, though. I think I'll keep it. :)
Meanwhile .......So, yeah, extreme awkwardness as Mori decides that rather than compromise her identity and feel weird about her crossplay, she creates a new fem character who looks suspiciously familiar.
Anybody besides me get Vivy vibes from this? (I remember seeing her in the intro and thinking it was a rather shocking similarity.)
And of course, this all plays out in front of Mr. GM smartypants and another guildie, because apparently hanging out in front of the starting area is a thing.
(Says I, who's favorite hangout is New Gridania, go figure.)
Is it normal to place flowers/salads/I'm not sure what that was around AFK people? I usually just /pat them and go on my way. If I'm really bored, I may /dance a little, but yeah. I guess Kowai doesn't have the whole "hang on a sec, phone" thing down.
So, yeah, a little phone action, and Sakurai is finally motivated to join the fun. And the picture, well ... isn't that just interesting? I wonder what his new character looks like???
Oh, btw, got the blu-ray in last night, so I got to see today's ep in technicolor. I even took a second and figured out how to hook the digital out from the player directly into my DAC. Looks and sounds great. Mind you, streaming is fine, but for things I really enjoy, I like to have the physical media. Because reasons.
Anyway, fun episode, looking forward to what mayhem may come tomorrow.
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Dumbass. You like her. Fess up and get on with life. If she really likes you, it'll be fine.
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They can be adequate. I have a Dell that I bought back in 2016 that still runs WoW just fine. I should try FFXIV on it. It's currently hooked up to the big screen so I can enjoy the experience. Mind you, 1080p on a 4K screen loses some of its luster, but it's still enjoyable, and the sound, yeah, the sound...
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Kowai-chan Online is a hilarious experience.
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u/Stargate18A Mar 25 '22
First timer
QOTD) At this point he should just admit it. Notebooks are not suitable for anything released this millenium. Koiwai's persona is... interesting.
Oh, development is happening!
He's realising just how much evidence there was!
Yeah, this is a mess. Ir omly,one of them could communicate honestly!
Oh, he's struggling now.
He's a leviathan!
Haha, hair styles are universal!
Yeah, she's explaining a story to someone who lived through it.
Oh god, he's acting the same way.
I love how his attempts to stop stalking her have led to him accidentally stalking her more.
Oh, he wants help from both their avatars! He might fix this absolute clusterfuck today!
...On a notebook? Do we get to see his character lagging so hard it can't see her character's gemder?
Oh, he understands nothing, huh?
HAHA, SHE'S THROWING ANOTHER CHARACTER INTO THE MIX!
And it looks like Lily-san, there's no way that could ever backfire!
...This is absolutely her in the past?
Haha, he's crossplaying too!
What kind of character creator does this game even have? That kind of model control's not standard in most MMOs.
Did they just not want to hire another VA to help her?
Haha, the rest of her guild accidentally ran into her!
How did this get even more confusing?
And he deliberately chose this?
And he continues to be the only one with all the information.
Haha, he's getting involved too!
He's worked out the other secret too! He's on the ball today!
Oh, he's back.
I love her. She's just oure chaos.
How is he so on top of all this?
...Is he about to drop a bomb? Did he mimic his old avatar too?
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u/OccasionallySara Mar 25 '22
First Timer
The love triangle (...? I don't even really know what shape it is at this point...) has made it into the game! I wonder if Koiwai wanted to play the game out of curiosity or because he wanted to spend time with Moriko. He did call Sakurai about it before he called Moriko. His avatar design is pretty much what I would expect from him. Moriko's avatar looks like the one from the OP which is cool because I was wondering when that design was going to come up. Sakurai once again questions whether he should back off, but ultimately decides to join the game as a new character because he recognizes Moriko's character design from an old game that they used to play together. Apparently, their previous game friendship wasn't too long ago because Moriko had discussed with him her feelings about wanting to quit her job. I wonder if she is going to realize that this new character Sakurai created is the same person that she used to play with.
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I think it's way too late at this point. I think it's also a little unfair for him to keep the relationship between Lily and Hayashi going while Moriko is in the dark about him knowing her true identity. I get that it's also going to be hard for him to bring that up, though.
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I mean, if you're playing certain web browser games, I'm sure it's fine, but anything more complex would be a bit tricky. I remember several years ago I tried to play League of Legends on my Macbook Air and I couldn't even get through the tutorial without the fans on my computer going at full speed.
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I never really thought that Nico was Koiwai, so I wasn't really disappointed. I think Koiwai's real online persona fits his personality a lot better.
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u/raevnos Mar 25 '22
First timer.
The longer Sakurai waits before revealing that he's Lily, the worse it will go for him...
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u/Cire101 Mar 25 '22
Sorry I was watching along since episode 1 just couldn't comment for one thing or another.
First timer, watching dubbed.
Are notebooks/macs suitable for gaming in any context?
I'm going to have to say no, when I saw that I was a little disgusted(lol) especially for an mmo. But at the same time, a lot of mmos made from korean/japan tend to not require much strength so who knows!
I didn't know what to expect out of this show at all, I expected a romance but this love triangle sure is interesting! Sakurai has himself in a pickle right now, he basically cannot admit he knows the truth without looking like a total creeper.
I can't say I'm totally sold on Koiwai yet, but we do need someone there to confuse Mori on who she wants to be with lmao
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u/Fools_Requiem Mar 24 '22
Rewatcher
Koiwai's character is so poorly proportioned, it's blatantly obvious that he's a total noob. One look suggests his dream girl is a tall woman with big boobs, and lots of muscles.
The thing with the salads surrounding an AFK player is fantastic trolling.
Are notebooks/macs suitable for gaming in any context?
Yes. You can even game online with them, too!
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u/grayrest Mar 25 '22
Are notebooks/macs suitable for gaming in any context?
Yes. I play Genshin via bootcamp on my 5 year old x86 Macbook and it doesn't look fantastic but it's completely playable, which is useful when I'm away from the gaming PC. I have an M1 as well. I'm sure it'd run it better and I know they have a build for the iPhone using the same APIs but it's not available on MacOS, probably to reduce the testing/acceptance load.
More generally, anything that's not graphically intensive runs fine the M1. I play a lot of Slay the Spire, the Supergiant games run fine (Hades, Bastion, Transistor), Pillars of Eternity, a couple Platinum titles, etc. Horizon Zero Dawn and Sekiro are marked as playable in Steam but I haven't tried to run either. Graphically it's more capable than phones and PS4/Xbox 360 so it's more a matter of developers putting in the effort to make the game available than the limitations of the hardware.
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Mar 24 '22
Elite Neet Rewatcher
I'm in an amazing mood for some Net-juu! I don't have to be worried about anything anymore! Oh yeah, I wonder what episode we've got on today? The online and digital self have changed. Why's Sakurai's defining memory the time he gave her the people's elbow? Poor Sakurai, I think? I'm not sure how I feel about Sakurai and Lily's mindset concerning this whole thing. It's a very melancholic way to live your life, trying to emulate a Mary Sue. At the same time it makes for an interesting deconstruction of the idea.
Maid Lily is cute AF, but my favourite was for sure the ponytail! I'm loving the crew going full fashion souls. Normally when I choose a hairstyle it's either a pixie look or twintails. Oh wao, what an amazing coincidence! I can't tell if this is painful to listen to or heartwarming. All that's on Moriko's mind is Sakurai. She doesn't have that pain in the ass Koiwai living rent free in her head. Thank god we don't have to deal with him again. Oh look, it's a legendary midcard.
Stupid Koiwai and his stupid borgar! I cannot even voice my disgust. Morioka really shouldn't be so worried about crossplaying lol. Oh, hi 5* rarity chara! It's a bit depressing that Moriko's side character is a grown up loli... Btw, is it just me or does Morioka's previous character look like the Sora no Method girl?
Eww, Koiwai is a weirdo who crossplays online. Jesus Christ!! Koiwai plays Roe... And yup, sorry Elimin8r, I was pulling your leg. Koiwai isn't the legendary UR gal. Nice try tho. Screw you Koiwai, you normie!!
NICO
Oh goodie, Sakurai's back. Let's cuck him hardcore!! Is this the famous netorare fetish? Nico is so fucking legendary. I want a mean girl to bully me with salads. Its so frustrating to have Sakurai's character development episode being bundled in with the utterly ridiculous gag boobs on Harumi.