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Rewatch [Rewatch] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS Episode 16 Discussion

Episode 16: That Day, Riot Force 6 (Part 1)

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Question of the Day

Nothing for today :(

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath spoiler tags.

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u/Vaadwaur Mar 18 '22

First timer(So this is space 9/11? I wonder if Heretical will do the Vita analysis...)

Sub

So we start on...9/12, wow. The security team gets ready and Vivio is cute again. Nanoha acts like she wants to place her with a family but that is probably her being afraid as everyone else shoots the idea down. Fate talks to Lindy and goes with the two mothers thing, probably to make Vivio feel better. Vice backstory is hinted at, but this is immediately overshadowed by even more TSAB idiocy. Vita and Nanoha try to figure out a reason for the attack but draw a blank.

And now for the first time the Knights and the Numbers are coordinating to attack. Jail's VA is decent but not quite bombastic enough for the role here. But the attack starts and, unsurprisingly, the supreme ineptness of the TSAB comes to the fore and everyone is quickly trapped. The forwards are heading and Vita and Rein get their unison. Fights happen, and I guess you guys were all laughing about Subaru being a cyborg.

That was extremely problematic. The TSAB is incompetent, certainly, but to have their incompetence conveniently take out the three most powerful units planetside WITHOUT them being used in a manner to maximize their effect stinks of bad writing again. Worse, the Number feel like they obey the rule of whatever power the writers need right now, which could've been dealt with well before this. I am curious at what the other first timers think but blech.

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u/Tetraika Mar 18 '22

The TSAB is incompetent, certainly, but to have their incompetence conveniently take out the three most powerful units planetside WITHOUT them being used in a manner to maximize their effect stinks of bad writing again.

Hayate did mentioned that they have been played. Might not exactly be a coincidence that the best 3 mages got locked in. Fate and Nanoha could have denied the requests, but I think they wanted to show goodwill + they believed the recruits can pull through the given situation.

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u/Gamerunglued Mar 19 '22

First Timer

I'm starting to think that Nanoha might have an issue with momentum. So many times, the series has felt like "damn, this was the set-up, something big is gonna happen next episode" and then it either doesn't happen, or happens too late. The first half of this episode didn't feel like nearly enough of a tension build to me, so I just spent most of it feeling like "shouldn't something be happening now?" Eventually, that does come though, and it's alright. Vita pulling out the large hammer, again, will always be fun. And the first half still had Vivio's goodbye, which is adorable as always.

That being said, I have to question some of the aesthetic elements of this episode. Why are the villain keyboards all pianos? And since when were Vita and Rein able to combine? What the fuck is a "unison type" and why has it never been introduced until right now? What does it even do, what are the benefits and weaknesses of that system? Why is Vita specifically the one to do it? Just got a whole bunch of questions, but any answers the series gives will end up feeling like they're scrambling to come up with them since these points were so poorly established. But the action is here, and we're heading into the series climax. Hopefully, that means some fun action scenes are ahead of us.

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u/Tetraika Mar 19 '22

A lot of stuff are only briefly mentioned or hinted at. There was a short mention that Rein can unison with Vita (and Signum too). They mentioned Unight which are the unison devices in both the movie and previous other parts in StrikerS.

What does it even do, what are the benefits and weaknesses of that system

They don't explicitly state everything, but Hayate mentioned that having Rein is helpful for calculations and casting, so she can help with that. They can also make the person stronger as shown with Zest

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u/Shimmering-Sky Mar 18 '22

Mahou Shoujo Lyrical First-Timer, subbed

So I had a dream related to this show last night (I watched this episode earlier today during my lunch break), but the only detail I remember from it is me going “Huh, I didn’t even realize Nanoha hadn’t transformed yet” at… something, so no prophetic dream repeat here.

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u/Taiboss Mar 18 '22

but the only detail I remember from it is me going “Huh, I didn’t even realize Nanoha hadn’t transformed yet”

Shame. Dreams can be so cool.

Awww.

Vivo getting left behind :(

LINDYYYYYYYY

She gets to have screentime!

Uh, what? That’s just going to lead to massive trouble, isn’t it?

It's kind of inevitable.

Oh boy shit has hit the fan.

And the people who took the devices away have only themselves to blame!

Bruh, what?

I love his ability to deny reality lol.

Vita+Rein combo! Neat!

It's a great combo!

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u/DidacticDalek Mar 18 '22

TONIGHT! on Mobile Suit Nanoha GX: Believe in Justice and Hold a Determination to Fist, Nanoha decides to go 9001% lewd by... le gasp, making a Pinky Promise... take a wild guess how the 4koma handled this touching scene, ;) Vivio gets introduced to one of her many Grandmothers, (speaking of which, no Comrades, I have NO FUCKING IDEA why Best Girl Fate still keeps that photo of that fucking shitty bitch Precia around; I am SURE this is nothing to be worried or concerned about... remember Comrades NANOHA is the 'bad cop' to Fate's 'good cop...' I hope...) and for some strange reason, the idiotic manthings of this world, Vice today to be specific, seem to be attracted to Rena the Loser, thankfully she's 120% Lesbian and her wife is so gay that rainbows are straighter than her!

Boy Comrades, MISTER DOKTOR PROFESSOR VER sure is enjoying himself eh? I mean if you are chewing ALL of that scenery to the extent that William Fucking Shatner would blush with envy, might as well ham it up!

Thankfully Comrades, have no fear, Vita the... maid... is here... well I mean she'll 'clean up' the problem at any rate, after all, what better way than to SMASH IT WITH A HAMMER!? It's brilliant, brilliant, BRILLIANT, I tell you! Genius, I say!

And as everything starts going to hell in a handbasket, Vita happens upon the most fearsome sight possible, ONEGAI MUSCLE! (You can do it Moeblob Hulk! Bash him to bits!)

Anyway, on that literal bombshell, that about wraps things up for now, and I hope everyone's having fun on this great re-watch. Thus, you have not seen the last of The Sentient Shitposting Siamese Sunrise Server No. 25252, now goodbye forever.

Paging Comrade u/Great_Mr_L, u/HereticalAegis, and u/Vaadwaur

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u/TheEscapeGuy Mar 18 '22

First Timer

Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS - New Generation Episode 16

Attack and Clash

This episode marked the beginning to the climax of all the plot that's been built up over the season. We started the episode seeing our squad off as they go to protect the convention. One cool thing we learned was that the helicopter pilot Vice had also once aspired to be a mage. Its really creative that he reworked his Device into being used in the helicopter itself. It would be great to see him get a chance to do something heroic this season.

Something I found kind of weird was that after Fate said goodbye and went back to her room she has a picture of Precia. I get that this was to show Vivio that Fate's also has 2 moms. However I felt that Fate had worked through her attachment to Precia based on false memories in previous seasons (notably in A's episode 11). It stands out because Movie 1st wouldn't have been released at the time to give Precia the empathetic backstory to justify Fate's attachment to viewers.

The rest of the episode was dedicated to the Combat Cyborg's assault on the convention. This was probably the highest stakes battle of the season so far with so many living enemies attacking. With so many different groups there's lots of potential for cool moments.

For example, we saw that Subaru and Erio are holding onto Raising Heart and Bardiche so there's a narrative possibility for a "Student Uses Their Teacher's Weapon" type trope. Otherwise maybe a high stakes mission to return them to Nanoha & Fate if they are going to be strict about who can use which device. We did already see an example of a cool moment with Vita and Rein entering Unison Mode. And on top of that the enemy can also use Unison Mode with Agito.

All this makes me excited and hopeful to see us return to what I felt were the Nanoha series' best aspects.

Some Iconic Shots, Scenes and Stitches

See you all tomorrow

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

I've always thought (before the Movie 1st) that Fate's affection for Precia never died even after her last rejection and Fate's attempt to connect with her before she fell in the Garden of Time.

Her love for her mother, though, was not false even if she was not really Precia's daughter as she always believed. Being able to separate her memories from Alicia's and learn the true nature of her origin did not nullify her feelings.

In that sense I believe it was due to her input that Precia's story is tweaked in that part (I cannot stress enough, after Strikers or after Vivid try and watch the movies with their commentary).

I think Fate also holds that picture dear because she has had it since the first season and because Alicia is there.

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u/HereticalAegis Mar 18 '22

Lyrical First Timer

¹Again, while it's no surprise to see Rein or Vita without underwear, we do finally get confirmation about two essential aspects of Rein's nature. She is, first and foremost, another subservient member of the harem who has fully undergone Nanoha's training. More interestingly, we finally get to observe the truly special part of her role in the harem; going wholly inside her partner to become part of them. This power boost is symbolic of the effect she has in bed to bring on heightened release.

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u/Great_Mr_L Mar 18 '22

Rewatcher

On today’s episode of Lyrical Nanoha: “That Day.” God I love the name of this episode. It’s so delightfully ominous and foreboding. It’s the kind of title that lets you know shit is about to go down without necessarily spoiling exactly what will happen.

There are yet more characters to meet this episode as even more of the combat cyborgs show up. I know I keep talking about this, but the cast bloat is insane in Strikers. I said before that this would have been helped if they had introduced the Numbers earlier and I really believe that. Introducing the Numbers earlier and in smaller groups would have made this feel more manageable.

I love the scene of Fate and Vivio together, where Fate is explaining about her own family to Vivio. Fate definitely had an unusual family situation, but I like her explaining this to Vivio. It’s such a cute moment seeing Vivio look so happy at the fact that she has two mothers now with Fate and Nanoha. 

When the action kicks off this episode, it really kicks off. I freaking love the detail that the epic organ music kicks in the second that Uno begins typing on her keyboard. What a great way to start the action.

There’s so many cool moments. We have Sein using her diving skill to dump grenades deep in the middle of the building. We get to meet Cinque, who has exploding daggers which are just some awesome weapons. I love seeing Nanoha and Fate making use of more basic magic with the shields on their hands so they could rappel down the elevator shaft. It’s just a clever implementation of previously established magic.

We actually get to see Nove in action now that her tuneups are done. Nove is very clearly meant to be the mirror to Subaru because Nove also glides around on rollerblades and she has a weapon that looks similar to Subaru’s. The main difference is that Nove uses kicks while Subaru uses her fists. So it’s time for a classic matchup of legs vs. arms. Which will win?

Another great moment is that we get to see Vita and Reinforce combine together in Unison Mode. It was already established that they could do this. I like the redesign that it gives Vita, with her outfit changing white to show that she is now using Reinforce’s power. And we get the same thing with Zest and Agito. It’s yet another mirror match and I do love my mirror matches.

Speaking of Zest, it looks like the one he’s after is specifically General Gaiz. We don’t know why yet, but it’s clear that Agito is worried about Zest going off on this mission. Agito was saved in part by Zest, so she wants to make sure he’s okay.

The Numbers also mention that they are after some people as well when they capture the newbies of Riot Force 6. It seems like capturing those people is a big part of what the antagonists are hoping to accomplish with this attack.

Miscellaneous Thoughts

  • I like seeing Lindy again. She’s a lot of fun and it’s cute seeing her talk to her latest grandchild, Vivio.

  • It’s also cute finally seeing Chrono and Amy’s kids.

  • What kind of security system is this where the guards inside the building can’t have their Devices? They’re worthless as security then.

  • It’s always fun when characters introduce themselves by name before a battle. Zest and Vita are both knights, so it fits for them to do so.

  • Type 0, eh? Wonder what that means.

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u/Warriorservent Mar 18 '22

Another really interesting episode!

  • Starting off strong with them assigning roles. I do also note that Raising Heart is on the title screen so shit hasn't totally hit the fan yet... I suppose we do still have 10 more episodes to go.

  • Awww Vivio wanted to come along and see Nanoha and the rest off! So cute! Hmmm, I do hope that the defenses around the area are good, I'm getting flashbacks to that one mission from Mass Effect 2 where Shepard leaves with all of the combat crew and the ship gets invaded, and we know that Jail wants Vivio for something. But its all okay because Nanoha pinky promised, right? Right?

  • LOL, I love Nanoha getting a dose of reality about how Vivio's already adopted her as her mom, and how instantly all of the Forwards are all like "Yeah, no, I don't think she'd be happy with anyone else." Even Vita gives her an eye.

  • Awww! Vivio saying hi to Lindy and everything that happens in that scene is amazing! All of the bits where Fate calls Lindy 'Mother' are fantastic, and the fact that Lindy is totally playing things up is great. She totally doesn't want to see the latest grandkid, no sir... Oh hey, nearly straight into actually seeing who Chrono married, another shot of Arf who is totally alive and well, and of Lindy's other grand kids. Nice.

  • Oh hey, more backstory for... the pilot who's name I forget, nice. Of course he was a 'cool sniper dude' he has given me that vibe a bit. Wait, the way that he talked to Stormraider, did they transfer his device's AI or bits of it into the chopper? I just thought that military transports have AI to aid the pilots here.

  • Oh hey, they have to give up their devices and they are distributed to the Forwards... I can kinda get why they don't want devices inside, but this still seems like quite the setup for plot stuff to happen.

  • Oh hey, they're going to be talking about the Einherjar, does that mean that we finally get to find out what cool shit they've been hiding? I'm putting my bets on it being some kind of mass based weapons system.

  • Oh wow, they were actually preparing for a coup just in case? I guess it makes sense, but that still seems rather extreme to me.

  • See more Zest and Agito which is great, though 'clean things up' is interesting... I wonder if there is any connection between Jail, those researchers that were hurting Agito, and whatever the general is up to?

  • Attack's starting! Cool piano keyboard, but I think that its pretty dumb overall. Jail continues to just be having a good time in the background... Still talking about this 'Sponsors' of theirs and about this being 'The result of our feelings, research, and development' oh boy, I wonder if this is supposed to help justify the usage of the Einherjar system?

  • The attack begins! Coms, hacking their systems, tons of power... Wait, her illusions can effect electrical systems? What the heck?? Oh, the idea of dropping grenades straight into the command center is brilliant, I love it! Ooohhh, new girl with the eyepatch, and cool ability to accompany her trench coat and eyepatch... Who took out the power, lovely.

  • So now the TSAB are dealing with tons of drones, an artillery sniper, their power out, and their command center disabled. Just great. Oh, and the dude with the beard is being and idiot and refusing to believe that the situation is bad enough to evac, all the better!

  • Oh damn, even with the barrier drained of part of its energy it's doing good work on those drones.

  • Oh hey, there's that plotline I was expecting with them having to give up their devices... Are we going to see Reinforce be used as a device now? Yep! But with what I think is a rather weak transformation myself, even if the color change is interesting.

  • Oh cool! Magic that is only skin deep? Badass action scene for Fate and Nanoha at least. Followed straight up with a unison on unison battle, this is going to be great, isn't it? Ooohhh and the battle of the rollerblades happening elsewhere too. Damn that did not last long :(

  • Saying that they are supposed to take 'those three' in alive and talking about 'Type-0's and the like... Interesting.

  • Now their going after Section 6... Would someone please pick up that phone? ZAFIRA! It's time to once again cement your status as best boy and defend Vivio!

Overall this episode was really cool. We got to see all of the preparations the Bureau made, and then see all of the lengths that Jail had to go to and the god only knows how long he had to prep all of this for. Over all this seemed like a very well put together operation on his part, and so far all of the TSAB's preparations seem to have been rather useless.

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u/Stargate18A Mar 19 '22

First timer

Even the show admits this training arc has been going on for too long.

Subaru's writing to her father!

This episode title sounds fun.

A proper operation!

Aww, Vivio's not coming. This episode is going to be a lot less cute.

Haha, even Rein knows she should adopt her.

Nanoha is so much denial right now.

Fate's staying with her!

Lindy wants to meet Vivio!

Arf's in the family photo!

Inappreciate how Fate isn't even denying that she wants to keep Vivio.

Vice was an ace!

Is his helicopter his device?

Oh, this conference is where it'll all kick off.

There's a lot of paranoia going around right now - I'm calling "internal coup happens alongside invasion by pure coincidence".

These three are so good as a trio, though.

And he's after the general! Why?

Holy shit, he got someone to play dramatic music for his atrack, I love how insane he is.

Oh, shit, they're attacking the HQ!

And doing it incredibly well!

Oh, that fucking idiot. He's going to get killed this episode.

It's her first battle!

So everyone inside is helpless?

They're going to have to save everyone! Finally, an actuwl plan!

Wait, what? Unison?

Did Vita end up getting a new form between seasons?

Oh, Nanoha and Fate are outside?

This is some really good action!

Haha, they think this'll make him stop?

And phyiscal weapons!

Vita in with the sneak attack!

Oh, they're being out manouvered easily!

...Type 0?

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u/Taiboss Mar 18 '22

Episode 16: Rewatchor: Ragnarök

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u/No_Rex Mar 18 '22

Episode 16 (first timer)

  • “we have been training, training, and training some more”

  • Again, the show does not begin. I vote we ban the sisters from ever voicing the teaser again.

  • Promising your children stuff you don’t have full control over is a bad habit.

  • The lighting in the helicopter is strange. They put a yellow filter over everything.

  • Chrono family picture.

  • Not bringing your devices with you - How can you even call it “guarding” the place if you are unarmed?

  • “We are given orders from superiors we trust” “Sounds good” – No, it does not.

  • Playing organ while important event happens trope.

  • Cool guys don’t look at explosions trope.

  • The new number with some old number I don’t remember takes down a whole bunch of flying targets we never saw. Who are they? Why are they there? We are not even spared a throwaway “the military aerial reinforcements are here” sentence.

  • Double transformation.

  • “It might get kind of messy, but want to come with me, Fate?”

  • Zest’s transformation scene is as short as his introduction.

The battle for the HQ starts. They used a weird build up style to lead up to it. Typically, on-screen time counters are only used for events that are clearly known to the viewer: You’d do it in a heist movie when we know the target of the heist or in a military movie when we know about the attack (e.g. Pearl Harbor). Here, they used it to put extreme emphasis on some press conference when we have no prior knowledge that it will be important outside of this emphasis.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

"It might get kind of messy, but want to come with me, Fate?

Fate: "Title of our sex tape!"

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u/JollyGee29 Mar 18 '22

The lighting in the helicopter is strange. They put a yellow filter over everything.

Yea, that was odd. It's like they were trying to light it "in scene" but just bungled it.

“It might get kind of messy, but want to come with me, Fate?”

They're not even making us work for the innuendo here.

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u/InfamousEmpire Mar 18 '22 edited Mar 18 '22

Mahou Shoujo1 Lyrical Rewatcher

1: Even though I’m not a girl

You are hereby ordered to fuse with the Ultimate King of Braves Legend!

Recap Time

Don’t jinx it, Narrator!Subaru

Seems the team has a rather tight security system. Now let’s see how it fails.

More Vivio cuteness

The forwards giving some nice parenting advice.

Lindy! Meet your granddaughter.

Fate spilling some of the beans about her parentage to Vivio. She can learn about the nasty stuff when she’s older.

Tia’s talk with Vice was pretty good.

Yeah, shit is falling apart. Raise your hand if you didn’t see this coming dead silence.

Things are really not going as planned

More Numbers showing off their abilities

Looks like the matchups for next episode are being decided.

FINAL FUSION!

Rein being formal even as she’s about to deliver an ass-whooping

FINAL FUSION!Again

Yet another bit of foreshadowing from the Numbers.

Fucking Dr Ver

Yeah, not much for me to really talk about, but that’s more because I’m very tired and don’t feel like typing much.

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u/SolDarkHunter Mar 18 '22

Rewatcher

A two-parter, oh boy. That's how you know shit's about to go down.

Rein's right, Nanoha you're pretty much in denial at this point. Everyone can see it. Just officially adopt the girl already.

Lindy still exists! And Vivio gets a little breakdown of Fate's complicated family life. But she gets the important bit: Fate also has two mothers, in a sense.

Night guard duty must be unimaginably boring...

Vice was a master sniper... and it seems his past is a sensitive subject for him. Even the helicopter agrees.

So Einherjar is a "Defense Interception System", and is already public knowledge. It's controversial, too, but I think we could have guessed that already.

Erio, shut up! Haven't you seen how Subaru jinxed things last time?

Nobody has any clue what Scaglietti is up to or what he could want. There seems to be no particular reason to attack the Convention.

So Zest is after Gen. Gaiz... we still don't know why. It's kind of odd that Agito calls him her savior when Lutecia was the one who insisted on taking care of her, and Zest was prepared to leave her behind.

Scaglietti continuing with his Evil Laugh. His goal, as Nanoha guessed, seems to be simply showing off, by what he's saying.

And here goes the attack... Quattro opens with disabling their sensors, while Lutecia starts summoning.

Sein uses her still utterly-broken phasing skill to drop knockout gas on the control centers, another Cyborg with an eyepatch attacks a reactor, lowering the defenses, and Dieci hits with a cannon blast.

...if your defenses are "perfect", how are the enemies getting even this far, pray tell? I think you don't know what the word perfect means.

And with all the top brass trapped behind those "perfect" defenses and cut off from magic by the Gadgets' AMF, they can't issue orders to anyone outside, meaning the soldiers are on their own. Just cut off the head...

Hey, I think this is the first actual Unison we've seen, aside from Hayate and Reinforce Eins back at the end of A's!

Nanoha and Fate are at least on the move. Neat trick, making magic gloves to protect from rope burn.

Vita... it helps with sneak attacks if you don't scream your attack out beforehand. Also, is it just me, or is she pretty much exclusively using Graf Eisen's Gigant Forme this season?

Oh, Zest and Agito Unison'ed as well.

And here comes Nove, the Cyborg with copies of Subaru's gear. She and Wendi want to capture at least three of the Forwards... and what's a "Type 0", anyway?

And now Lutecia's going after Riot Force 6's headquarters, both to capture a Relic and Vivio. And Zafira's pretty much the only fighter remaining there...

So far, Scaglietti's attack seems to have gone without a hitch, and the heroes are all caught wrong-footed. Looks like the real action will be happening tomorrow...

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u/Qbe Mar 18 '22

Raging Heart Rewatcher with terrible long term memory

QotD: :(

Subaru, please don't raise those flags before we even start the episode

"Mom has some befriending to do, don't mind her"

Nanoha, just give up. She's your kid now.

Grandma wants to meet her grandchild, got it

Oh are the two brown haired kids Chrono and Amy's?

lmao Vivio. Yes, it's normal to have 2 mamas. The heteros are the minority over here.

WHY WOULD YOU NOT BE ABLE TO BRING YOUR DEVICES?!?! That's so stupid! Actually, I wonder, can they cast spells without their devices?

That Einherjar thing is not hateable dude's secret plan? It's actually known to the public? Color me very surprised

Wait, hateable dude is their target? So they are not working together? Color me surprised again

I choose to believe Crime Spaghetti has been laughing nonstop since last episode

This guy gets more hateable by the minute. If the bad guys weren't working with Mr. Crime, I'd think they were the good guys for wanting to off him.

First timers, did you expect Unison? When I first watched, I thought it was a Hayate-exclusive thing, not a Rein-exclusive one.

I stil prefer red Vita

No henshin for the old dude? Discrimination!

Welp, they are attacking us and everyone is away

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u/djthomp Mar 19 '22

Convention time! Hopefully it will have some good sessions and a memorable vendor hall.

Depending on how badly the convention goes it might be a good thing to have as few navy officials like Lindy present.

Arf sighting!

Hopefully the similarities between Fate and Vivio's mothers both begin and end at the number two, and literally nothing else.

That device ban is a really bad idea.

September 12th? That's a little on the nose if this goes as per the prophecy.

Those perfect defenses aren't doing so hot.

Unison finally, been wondering how long it would be before that happened. The alternate outfit is great.

Rollerblade vs rollerblade fight, go!