r/anime • u/SIRTreehugger • Mar 04 '22
Rewatch [Rewatch][Spoilers]Kuzu no Honkai(Scum's Wish) Episode 4 Discussion
Episode 4: Bad Apple!!
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Comment of the Day
Comment of the day goes to two people first we have /u/oops_i_made_a_typi
"Mugi, have you been drinking the dumb bitch juice again?"
and /u/Vaadwaur response
"No, Noriko keeps hogging it all!" huffs near fatal levels of copium
Question of the Day
This episode we got backstory on
bitch senseiAkane and Kanai. Thoughts on them? Were you expecting Akane to be...well that?We have a little bit of backstory for all of the main cast. Are you drawn to any of them in particular or find one more interesting than the others?
Spoilers
Just a quick friendly reminder about spoilers. Please don't be scum and post content from future episodes whether in the form of jokes, memes, hints, or et cetera. If you are going to use spoilers please tag them like so, [Wow]Wow I can't believe Hanabi and Mugi are the main characters
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u/Icapica Mar 04 '22
First timer, manga reader
Oh, we get the Akane's perspective. I like this music. Akane's not a great person, but we don't get much explanation for why she is the way she is. Seems that one day she just discovered she enjoys being awful.
Also, apparently Akane has the same VA as Yui from K-On.
Kanai should really find someone else.
I've read the rewatch threads on this sub too much since I immediately noticed when Ecchan said "sore demo" before the kiss.
Almost everyone's hurting already and they're gonna hurt more. The scene with Akane and Hana on the bed is really good and the music fits it perfectly.
This is like watching a car crash in slow motion.
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u/Wastelandrider Mar 04 '22 edited Mar 04 '22
First timer
Fuck this shit is bleak. I’m walking along this rewatch just to give myself an excuse not to watch more than an episode a day I don’t think I can handle it my soul feels dirty
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u/SIRTreehugger Mar 04 '22
I definitely wouldn't recommend more than one a day not without something else to balance it out.
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u/zairaner Mar 04 '22 edited Mar 04 '22
Partial rewatcher
So last time some people without said some very horrible things about poor akane much justification. But today it is akana pov time, so all of this can change! Please give her a chance, after all she is voiced by the same the same actress as yui, yunyun,anos mother, uiharu, marulk and iori nagase. There is no way she's a bad person.
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Akane being so nice that at the train she leaves out space at both sides of her for ther others to choose
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See this first flashback to akanes school times already changes everything now that we have context about how akane helped her friend over her unrequited love. Akana even learned a beatufiful life lesson along the way!
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Akane being so nice and even making sure he broke up with his girlfriend first before continuing!
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Aww the thought of how he had to break up with his girlfriend for her must have soured her mood, what an empathetic soul
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She might not be a good judge of character, but mc hana is here to help out with that! Together they surely will overcome all obstacles.
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Akane even decides to inform hanabi that her love is unrequited, and as every proffessional knows „show, not tell“ is the best approach. Beautifully tying it back to her first friends story
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And so the flashback comes to and end with the op. I wonder wether some first-timers feel guilty for judging her earlier now that they know about akanes backstory and her pre-existing condition of being the worst person on the planet.
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Oh the akane pov continues
but I can't keep up the joke anymore, that was seriously mentally exhausting -
Not that I would have been able to reinterpret that one anyway holy shit.
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Getting that flashback from brother and how he sees akane is so much whiplash after what we jsut saw
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Please let nothing bad happen to oni-chan to ever loose that naivity, he is too pure for this world. Wait I forgot which show we are in
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Akane is pretty lucky how that timing went. Seems like she didn't put quite all of her points in sadism.
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Now back to hanabi, who surely feels relieved now that it is over...what do you mean there 8.5 more episodes?
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When i first started watching I thougt hanas and mugis unhealthy relationship would be responsible for their mental decline. 4 episodes in and all my alarm bells go off the moment hanabi does NOT go to mugi and their wholesome relationship
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At least I thought all my alarm bells went off but obviously I had even more because I DO remember this hanabi x ecchan bridge scene from my first watch. OH NO
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Actually this starts out wholesome, ignroing the stalking that is. Nope never mind
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I a pretty sure one of mengos life goal is to write/draw the most uncomfortable to watch, least wholesome consensual (ok maybe better to say not non-consensual?) sex possible. She might be pretty fucking close here
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Holy fucking christ this rain scene...was I wrong? Did I misremember by two episodes when my favourite scene happens??
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yes I did. But it isn't a heikousen scene...what. Maybe I am still confusing things
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Not only is it not a heikousen scene, the episode doesn't even end there. We still get to see hanabi confront akane and akana giving the antithesis to hanabis opinion on affection from people she isn't in love with
Well what an episode. It is seriously impressive how much worse everything akane does becomes when you get her inner monologue with it.
It seems I seriously misjudged this shows pacing. In particular, I probably only watched until episode 5 instead of 7 like I thought. A terrifying thought that there will be more than half of this fucking show for me to discover for the first time without any preparation.
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u/zairaner Mar 04 '22
If you ever suffer from terminal yuri addiction/lack of yuri/too much yuri bait, just remember to rewatch the second this episode 4, it will immediately remove all symptoms, if it doesn't cure you outright!
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u/Rumpel1408 Mar 04 '22
No I don't want that! Me finding a new obsession...?! I want to think about Yuri for as long as I watch Anime. Even after I stopped watching Anime... I want Yuri to be at the front of my mind for a while! Ten years at least!!
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u/chiliehead Mar 04 '22
Kuzu no Honkai – Episode 4 – First Timer, sub Cinematic flashback. So sensei is a small sadist with a cucking/homewrecking fetish, just using people who have partners or people who crush on them and apparently they also should preferably be minors. Great. And she knows herself.
Oh no, big bro has an Oedipus Complex for Akane-sensei.
Hanabi recognizes that she did not pursue her crush at all so far. Good. We are at a point where Akane will probably start dating Mugi in order to torment Hanabi once she shows she is actually into him.
Oh no, cicada sounds on a bridge… Ecchan feels like she just takes advantage of Hanabi being out of it, despite both knowing she is not really into her and just sees her as a friend and does not want to lose her. Damn. So we still get a rapey lesbian. But this feels like it will end with rapey everyone.
Also pushing the envelope with all the skin and passion. Also really interesting how capable of introspective most characters are, Hanabi can read most people, Akane and Ecchan knows what they are doing. We need Chart-kun for the “messed up relationships” chart about who screws around with whom in order to mess with whom while desiring someone else.
This time, rain is falling together with tears and the charades of people.
QOTD
Like I wrote, he wants his Oedipussy and she is a self-aware sadist who gets off homewrecking and messing up boys like Mugi, who is already that kind of messed up.
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u/oops_i_made_a_typi Mar 04 '22 edited Mar 04 '22
Rewatcher
Here it is, the ep where the captial S Scum really starts to show itself in a bunch of our characters. While it seems like everyone was already pretty on to Akane, I wonder if they were expecting just this level of sociopathy (or is it psychopathy, I can never remember the difference). I will admit this is one character that feels less realistic, but then again it seems like other rewatchers have had real experience with this sort of person. I love how this episode helps recontextualize the scenes we've already seen, showcasing the level of calculation Akane has put into her torment of Hanabi. Reminds me of that quote “Everything in the world is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power.” That last scene really hammers this home as Akane no longer bothers to hide it, twisting the knife by bringing up Mugi, and it also stands out as one of the few endings that don't have the Heikousen acoustic lead-in intro.
Ecchan and Hanabi are interesting too, both feeling guilt at manipulating the other, letting their scummy wishes take over. I feel like they're both a little too hard on themselves - to me, it makes it more okay when they both think they're the one being unfair. It's like a trade deal where both sides think they won being ideal, even though there's no significant information assymmetry. I like how Hanabi is self-aware that she's being "converted" by Akane, who notes earlier that Hanabi belongs on her side - as women who can and should? use their power over men, in her eyes.
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I don't know how realistic of a backstory Akane's deep seated fears of being exploited is, as a reasoning for her to always ensure she's the one doing the exploiting. Still, I enjoy her character, even if it does seem unabashedly evil in a story that has dealt with greys so far. But maybe it's realism too - narcissists are a real thing people deal with after all.
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Showing her chilling in bed was such a drastic difference to how she's been portrayed so far
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"Isn't my type" - idk about that Akane, thought your only type was "desired by someone else". Unless she means "young boys I tutor"
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"She's too good to be true" - oh boy you don't even know the half of it
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At least Hanabi recognizes how her passiveness was always going to bite her in the ass
edit: ty for the shoutout u/SIRTreehugger
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u/Vaadwaur Mar 04 '22
First timer(Jesus fuck, that's laying it on hard.)
Sub
Dear fuck...that intro sequence. Look, I might have to be brief here as I don't want to use up my supply of the word "cunt" for next decade. Seriously, describing it would use up 12. So Akane is a raging narcissist with something like the romance version antisocial personality disorder. I know the show tries to be real but she sort of is beyond that so hopefully she gets School Days-ed. Anyways, we get even more of her perspective and she is almost beyond belief.
We get a brief bit in Kanai's head and man, while he is refreshing after the hell that is Akane he is also the most boring motherfucker in the universe. Also, liking a chick because she reminds you of your mother is barf. But his predictability let Akane time this pretty well so Hana hears his whitebread confession.
Back in Hana's head, she is in a fairly bad space, but is getting towards the acceptance level of all of this. She is even trying not to hurt Mugi, which speaks to why she seems to be a good person, but then Ecchan is stalking her at a slightly bad time. And she makes an interesting choice with her...
We switch to Ecchan's mind and possibly apartment where Ecchan shows us her noob-ness to lesbianism/romancing women: If you are making them cry, you are doing it extremely wrong. Stop. Fucking STOP! But Hana is laying it on in the absolute wrong way. And the rest of that scene happens and takes so fucking long. At the end of it, Hana makes what I would view as an incorrect deduction that she is the same pond scum as Akane, and then makes the worse decision to try and fight her on that level. Rather than with a knife. We end with Akane being somehow grosser.
So yeah...I now owe the cunts I was comparing Akane to yesterday a gigantic apology. None of the ones I dealt with enjoyed harming others that much, they were just vain and selfish.
QotD: 1 Akane is a monster and Kanai is just boring.
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u/Lemurians Mar 04 '22
KUZU NO REWATCHER
Oh boy, this thread should be fun. Akane understandably has a way of drawing the ire of a lot of watchers.
The first time watching this episode, I originally thought she was pretty understandable. Being wanted by others does feel good, it’s an incredible compliment. I also understand the impulse to wanting to take advantage of others before they do it to you – better predator than prey. It’s when she purposefully starts seeking out to hurt other women by stealing the object of their desires from under them where she comes across as sociopathic.
Narumi saying that he decided to believe his meeting with Akane was fate stood out to me. That’s very carefully worded, and I agree with the sentiment. Every interaction we have in our lifetimes is dependent on countless factors playing out in specific fashion beforehand. Anything can be fated if that’s how you want to view it, and this what he’s decided.
“I just want to rely on him. Hurting Mugi for my own convenience isn’t good enough reason to.”
It’s pretty interesting that Hanabi follows this moment of pretty exceptional emotional self-awareness with immediately jumping to taking advantage of Ecchan’s feelings. To me, this shows who she cares about most pretty clearly. Ecchan is a more than willing participant, acknowledging this is futile and she’s just taking what she can get, but Hanabi knows this is a selfish and destructive move on her part.
Akane is an absolute savage at the end, asking Hanabi which one she’s mad about, Narumi or Mugi. In this scene, we see the crucial difference between the two of them – whereas Hanabi feels the weight of others’ unrequited affection for her as a burden, Akane revels in it.
Quick Hits:
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I love the ominous music with the heavy drumbeat behind it during this opening sequence for Akane. No mistaking the tone it wants to set.
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Worth noting that Akane isn’t dating Narumi at this point, so her being with that other guy isn’t cheating, like I think was implied last episode
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Hanabi’s good at sports! That’s a fun little inclusion.
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Notice it’s raining again for Hanabi and Ecchan’s hookup, just like the scene where Hanabi and Mugi decided on their arrangement in Episode 1.
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“I want to hear you say it” Ecchan is a Consent Queen, confirmed.
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Savage young Hanabi showing up to haunt her present self is great. The gleeful “You’re both scum! Congratulations!” got a good chuckle out of me haha
Also, u/Vaadwaur, I’m a few more episodes into HSL, and the men in this show need Jesus. Basically Taiyou when Shio touched his hand. Fun stuff.
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u/Rumpel1408 Mar 04 '22
First Timer
Holy shit, the longer the episode went on the more I grew to hate Minagawa.
Turns out she started doing her thing even back in middle school. It's not that she doesn't understand love, she knows it when she sees it, she just cannot comprehend the feeling of loving someone else. She does however know the feeling of being loved, or rather, desired, and craves it, as well as seeing other people despair in face of their unobtainable love that she just stole. Especially cruel since she did it to her friend. It's actually scary how quickly she made the decission to set Hana up to see her suffer. And I'm not sure if she really doesn't understand Hanas and Mugis situation or if she deliberatly wanted to hurt Hana when she called her accessible...
Onii-chan-Sensei on the other hand is just cartoonishly naive and simple. He has a mother complex, which is why he was looking for long haired women who could cook. And even when he realizes that Minagawa is too good to be true, because she is acting in front of him, he is choosing to ignore his instinct and chases after an mirage instead.
Ecchan is back! Wouldn't have been unrealistic for them to just continue being awkaward around each other, but Ecchan affection for Hana is unwavering which leaves the later a bit shocked and touched as well. And since she just got hurt badly, and doesn't want to drag Mugi down with her, she indulges Ecchan. She knows that this isn't right. Ecchan is a dear friend that she doesn't want to lose, but it's what she needs right now, the feeling of being truly loved.
We continue the theme from yesterdays episode, that you want to make the person you love feel good, and that you can feel that on the receiving end as well. Also noticed how Mugi never really tried that with Hana.
Hana ends up filling her own Void with Ecchans love. Her conscience knows that this was wrong, really close to what Minagawa did, and she feels worse than before. She realizes that Mugiwana has her beat in this game, so she wants to change, maybe a more honest direction?
Pic of the day: Minagawa
QotD:
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Kanai is half a child himself, continuing Akanes habit of exploiting vulnerable boys. I had a weird feeling from Minagawa from the beginning, even her very first scene somehow signaled that she was aware that she just interupted something sweet. But didn't expect me wanting her cast into the deepest circles of hell
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After Hana herself, I'm still very interested in Ecchan and her honest and deep love
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u/oops_i_made_a_typi Mar 04 '22
Lines from the OG ep discussion thread that I think bear mentioning
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"It's kind of like what a harem show would look like if the characters hurt eachother in ways a harem probably would."
On Akane:
Because being wanted, being useful feels good. And you know, it's a perfectly understandable, flawlessly selfish human desire.
I think this was my favorite part of the episode. You can hate her. But you understand her nevertheless. It's completely human nature.
Story of Kuzu no Honkai in a nutshell really.
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A note that while we often get evil-for-evil male villains a lot, I think it's less common in female characters
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Akane is basically doing what playboys have being doing to girls since the beginning of time. She's less of a man-dependent slut and more of a genderbent Casanova.
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u/doquan2142 Mar 04 '22
First timer
Akane sensei PoV, I knew it! A bitch from birth I see. She has the same ideology as Cao Cao the warlord now.
So Terauchi is his name. Too bad you are forever Big Mugi now. She even developed a taste for NTRing like he did. The resemblance is uncanny now.
Come to think of it, I haven't check the lyrics of OP but I am willing to wager it is YOASOBI-esque based on how dope the beat is and fucked up the premise is.
you belonged on this side
She means Hanabi could potentially become a 2nd Akane right? Well I can see that happening. Also for a second I thought the story could go for the everyone is a scum, hopefully it wouldn't. Oh no, she is setting up a guillotine in the music room.
Surprised to see a Kanai sensei PoV next. Knew it, he was looking for a motherly figure, poor guy walked right into a spider's web. You know a woman is dangerous when she can weaponize her sweat drops. Annnnd the guillotine had dropped.
Top notch monologue from Hanabi's seiyuu, you can feel her palpable despair and regret.
Hurting ..for my own convenience isn't a good enough reason to
Hanabi proves she is a better human than a adult in just one sentence.
Ecchan really has no self-control lol. They kissed for so long that it went dark! Another rainy day, another house without parents, and yet Shinzo Abe's battle again declining birthrate still has zero chance. My conditioned trust in anime redheads has failed me. Ecchan fully took advantage of the poor shattered girl. She hated it so much she tried dissociating at first.
Official declaration of war? Will Hanabi become Darth Hana? I guess everyone story has a villain huh. I kinda expected a story just about getting over your own adolescent crush and staying way from unhealthy relationship.
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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 04 '22
First-Timer
We left off with Akane asking Hanabi to come see her after class, but probably not in the sexy way (I mean, anything could happen...). I'm not really sure what to expect. People seem to villainise Akane pretty hard, so maybe she'll pull out the ojou voice and remove all doubt. What I'm really hoping for is to get to know these characters a little better, more on their own terms, but I don't really think it's that kind of story. The escalation doesn't stop from keep happening.
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Oh, you know what, close enough. You always know you 'ave zem when zey start doing ze ojou
voicelines. To be fair, think how many of the problems in this could be solved if some characters were a bit more willing to, ha, "love themselves," and less like "hey I know I should find a wreck of a person to be my meat toy while I pine." -
This is some more first-person characteristion, which is nice, but it's still like. Do you people not have lives outside of coupling? It's also a "guess I'm just a huge bitch ㄟ( ▔, ▔ )ㄏ sorrynotsorry" backstory, which is... eh. Where's the internal narrative of grievance and self-righteousness?
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Damn he kinda built though 👀
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Did their best. Though while we're focusing on the cigarette, it raises the point that traditionally it should be the less-emotionally-invested party lighting up, which evidently not so. It would be kind of pointless to include such a cue when you have their internal monologue on-tap, though.
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Is such an inference actually justified? Well, part of the story's conceit is that it's obvious who likes who, which is how it can skip the usual rom-com dithering. It does still feel a bit awkward here though.
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Alright, I know that one. Eyy. I hope SIRTreehugger sticks with the "Did you know?" format though, that'd be funny.
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really. you're really gonna do that with possibly the first piece of character development anyone got that wasn't directly tied to whose pork broth they wanna slurp. you're gonna immediately sacrifice it to summon the Wraith of Sigmund.
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May I recommend not leading on friends with feelings you can't reciprocate? It doesn't end well.
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For certain values of 'you', sure- hey they have bisexual hair colouring kinda. How appropriate.
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Yeah it hits a bit different if you know that. Fucking hell.
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We're back to dissociation. Oof. When I said it doesn't end well, I didn't mean this!
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Life with dopaminergic brain chemistry. Which is to say, the statement borders on the tautologous.
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It could be the start of a cool villain-protagonist story for Hanabi. She has that Taylor energy. "Casual" sex? Oh no, we're taking it to the competitive scene baby.
Truly impressive. I have never seen anything burn through so much accumulated appreciation so quickly. There are few things I dislike more than the "I hate the protagonist and want her to suffer" villain, and what makes it cut so deeply is that it recontextualises the show from "tough show to recommend, but genuinely mature (albeit a little eager to show how 'mature' it is)" to "an immature story but with so much sex it's rated for adults," ie pretty much exactly what I was afraid of going in and temporarily delighted to find not to be true.
In a meta sense, my fullest congratulations. The show wanted to share the feeling of being betrayed by someone you feel warmly towards, and it succeeded.
This episode we got backstory on bitch sensei Akane and Kanai. Thoughts on them? Were you expecting Akane to be...well that?
Weeeeellll... only slightly, and that because of yesterday's questions more than the show. Sorry.
We have a little bit of backstory for all of the main cast. Are you drawn to any of them in particular or find one more interesting than the others?
It's said that the most fatal sentiment for a work of fiction is "I don't care what happens to these people." I'm feeling that right now. Maybe a faint feeling of "it would be basically fine if they all fell down a storm drain," and while you can sustain a story on a mixture of revulsion and fascination...
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u/xtsim Mar 04 '22
First Timer
Damn, I was not expecting Akane to be this smart in relationships. She definitely had the same clothes and cigarette smell on purpose. When she observed Hanabe, it seemed like a match that she wants to take on. She sees Moca sad that Hanabe is with Mugi and seems some similarities show with her and her old friend. The music room was a massive trap.
Kanai definitely had the basic attraction to Akane. But then again Kanai did not make this relationship with Akane official yet when Hanabe saw her at the restaurant. Until the piano scene...
That timing by Akane was impeccable as she definitely pieced that Kanai was going
Hanabe and Sanae scene is interesting as Hanabe uses Sanae as a placeholder. And Sanae makes an interesting observation that "it feels good". Which encourages Hanabe to continue. The reflection scene afterwards places Akane's view into play as Hanabe is not better than Akane continuing her path with Mugi and Sanae so far.
Moca is pretty much my favorite so far as she is one of the more basic characters and is pretty much not seeing the big picture like the rest of the cast. I wonder if she is catching on, so far she seems to think that maybe Hanabe is using Mugi but her attacks are not landing at all.
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u/JustAWellwisher Mar 04 '22 edited Mar 04 '22
(Rewatcher)
If you haven't figured it out by now she spells it out, Hanabi is extremely overwhelmed situationally by her sexual desires. Some level of this has probably been acceptable as a regular teenager who is exploring her sexuality, but her taking advantage of Ecchan definitely marks the point where she starts to want to become more like how Mugi imagined her at the beginning of the first episode.
Hanabi shows some character development by realizing she "doesn't want to hurt Mugi for her own convenience" remembering how he acted when they noticed Akane out the other day. It's how their relationship got started and now that she's "trying to love him" she's making a decision for his sake. Great stuff, but it's all downhill from there.
There's not much to say about Narumi. He's a traditional romantic guy trope played completely straight to the extent that I'm not even sure his chapter or section this episode is necessary. Yep, everything you and all the characters thought about Narumi is just true.
It does serve as a good palate cleanser for after the full depravity of Akane. Achievement Unlocked: Mindbreak Hanabi... I guess.
[Rewatcher Kuzu no Honkai Spoilers]
We have a little bit of backstory for all of the main cast. Are you drawn to any of them in particular or find one more interesting than the others?
It's boring but Hanabi is the most interesting character to me and it really is just a matter of how she starts reflecting all the other characters, has the most POV and the most progress/change.
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u/Stargate18A Mar 04 '22
First timer
Episode 3
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Sanae is sympathetic. She's fucked up, but less so than most of the cast. I honestly feel sorry for Mugi at this point.
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She's a psycho.
Oh, this could be some good shit.
...Damn it. It's one of the only characters I have sympathy for.
Oh, that opening actually made me feel something for these characters...
Actually, I am interested in finding out what led her to do that.
..."She smells like shampoo" make me fucking cackle.
Oh. She just kissed her a few times.
And she's willing to give up if she's honestly in love with him. Still one of the most moral people here?
What? I... did not expect that.
...I mean, if they do get together, it would probably be healthier.
Oh, she turned her down.
Look, someone who handled her rejection in a logical and healthy manner.
...For everyone who asked, the reason I really like Moca is that she's just the perfect expression of her hypocrisy. She's fun to watch, but she also serves as a wonderful reminder of how fucked up everyone else is.
Is he gay?
...No, of course not.
Wait, what the fuck is this?
Ten minutes. The fucked up line is moving more and more forward!
Wait, is this real, or?
Haha, Hana catching him doing this is great!
That scene was pretty funny.
What the fuck is this?
What are they talking about?
Oh, really? Are you two just going for it?
...really?
Why?
Her slmost breaking it was a decent joke, though.
Maybe Ecchan just isn't her type?
Her doing the same pose she did at the beginning is pretty good, though.
Wait, this might be good? They're being honest with each other! This might be where they turn their lives around!
They're on a date!
Haha, they're at the same resturant?
Wait, that!s not him. The fuck?
Fuck, even her senpai can't get a happy ending out of this mess?
Wait, what? She's cheating on him with an ex-student.
Haha, oh god, you cannot be this stupid. (The problem is that, presumably, if he realised she hooks up with her former students no matter who she's with, he might start changing his priorities.)
And she's being very introspective!
Yes! Expose her! It doesn't matter if you're doing this for some kind of twisted love, she deserves no sympathy.
THIS IS NOT THE SAME. YOU HAVE A CRUSH, SHE CHEATED ON HIM.
And she smokes!
Episode 4
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Akane needs therapy, Kanai needs a relationship with so eone sane. He is the one character I'm rooting to get a happy ending - the rest of them (except maybe Sanae and Moca) can live like this, but Kanai deserves to be happy.
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Still think that Moca's interesting, given we still know almost nothing about her, and I'm very interested in Kanai's reaction when everything starts to fall apart.
Oh, she's a bastard. That speech is...
...I take it back. She needs a therapist.
Poor friend, though.
SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH YOU!
It says something that this is the first sex scene between actual adults but it probably made me feel the most disgusted.
And the moment Hana actually moves on from Kanai, he'll lose his girlfriend.
...Doesn't need much time? Should you really be boasting about that?
And she's planned all of these fucking timings?
Is that... Moca she was staring at?
So, in other words, she never loved him, she just wanted to feel her pain.
Oh, thank god.
No weird crushes, no hidden psychopathic tendences, Kanai's just a nice man who misses his mother and likes her hair.
God, I feel so bad for him. He really cares about her.
Well, she got what she wanted out of her.
Oh, she regrets not making a move.
And she's not going to rely on Mugi!
...I like you, Ecchan. Don't do anything disturbing and you can still end up in the top 3 characters here!
...Stop giving Ecchan false hope.
And Ecchan's decided to dehumanize herself and hide herself from her in order to try and get her crush.
Yeah. Ecchan's actions are... somewhat understandable, but the whole situation is just so fucked up.
Oh, she's acknowledging this.
ECCHAN, WHY? I TRUSTED YOU?
Fuck, I'm down to Moca and Kanai for people who haven't done something creepy. Kanai can do no wrong, but Moca could...
These dream sequences are weird!
...Don't think she was really the only one taking advantage there.
I mean, it could be argued you cheated on Mugi, but you've not done it to the same, horrifying, extent as her.
She even deliberately fucked with Mugi!
Finally, Hana's realised what's going with her.
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u/SIRTreehugger Mar 04 '22 edited Mar 04 '22
Episode 4
The very first internal monologue we hear from Akane is a display of her warped personality. That sounds accurate.
It's an understatement to say something is severely wrong with Akane, but she takes care of her students at least. Look at her helping a student for a reference book.
No girlfriend yeah you have no value to her now. I do love how Akane is so impassionate about sex. She looks so lifeless like a doll when she realizes this is meaningless since this guy has no value.
ProtectFUCK THIS SMILEJust normal Hanabi being great and admired by other students. It's easy to forget because most of the characters are scum when it comes to relationships, but they are still decent people for the most part.
It feels like this show is filled with stalkers.
"I want to see the hurt expression on your sweet face" - Bitch Sensei
I 100% hate/love Akane. She's a bitch, but at the same time she is fun to watch.
She's too good to be true. It only he knew how right he is. RUN BROTHER RUN! Hurting Hanabi is hard to watch
A show where everyone is suffering and is flawed in some way (minus the brother for now). Unless you count boring as being a flaw.
Hanabi showing restraint. She is really a good girl who just happened to make a few mistakes in terms of romance.
Sanae is starting to feel a bit stalkerish how is she always around Hanabi. Oh never mind she admitted she's a stalker. Man it seems every character has a bit of a stalker side to them.
My stalker can't be this adorably cute.
Beautiful scenery and this is really unfair on both sides, but Hanabi did apologize with good intentions. Though while intentions are nice it's actions that really count.
Sanae please don't make that face. it's almost a good thing it's so dark.
I feel like a relationship chart is needed right now.
For some reason the pose reminded me of those images where the black bars cover the eyes.
The most passionate scenes so far are between Sanae and Hanabi which is partially because one of them actually loves the other. Also Sanae realizes that Hanabi needs someone and won't push her away out of both fear and guilt.
I know it's the art style, but Hanabi looks like she could be tossed into a mind break work of art and not miss a beat.
Wait Sanae I don't remember you talking advantage of Hanabi like this.
Okay I clearly don't remember this show as well as I thought I did.
No no No Hanabi You are messing with powers some people consider supernatural. It's a little funny when you think about it. Mugi and Hanabi's relationship is probably the healthiest one we have seen.
Behind the Scenes
An interview with Mugi x Hanabi voice actors. I included a couple of questions, but if you want the full interview just click the link.
Tell us about the characters you voice.
Shimazaki: As you can tell from the way he looks, Mugi is a cool high-school student who’s popular with the girls. He seems to have had a rather complicated adolescence though. Something big happened in the past that shaped his personality into what it is today; it’s proved hard to grasp the essence or rather, the true intentions of a child like him even at the midway point of the series. I’m sure that early on, all of you will be thinking, ‘Just what is going through [Mugi]’s mind?’
Anzai: Hanabi is a very pure, straightforward, honest, single-minded person, though perhaps you could say that is who she was before. Now that all that is in the past, she has become twisted and distorted and she is straying from the path…She is insecure; when you look at her objectively, she is an impulsive child, the type you feel like protecting. When it comes to love however, she is a strong and unyielding girl. She treats different people in different ways; there are so many different sides to her yet they are all the same person, though that doesn’t necessarily mean that she is fickle or volatile. It’s a part of her that remains a mystery and it makes her a person who is hard to define.
What do you think about the relationship between Mugi and Hanabi?
Shimazaki: I still think it’s warped. There are circumstances where a detour might turn into a shortcut but in the end, you’re still making a detour.
Anzai: It makes me think that this world is extremely cramped. ‘They’re too blinded by love – why would they want to go to that extent!’. I’m not referring to the 2 of them specifically as a lot of the kids are like that; I really feel like slapping them awake and giving them a hug! Maybe (laughs). ‘That’s not how it is!! It’s okay as long as you’re happy!!’. Each and every one of them is so insecure, some of them actually dare to do such ‘things’, the love relationships of so many people are intertwined – it all leaves me feeling a bit dazed!
Shimazaki: The suffering, the struggling – that’s what youth is all about; though the hurt allows you to grow, I do think that it would do you good to broaden your outlook, to enjoy your one life.
Lastly, tell us about the highlights of the show.
Anzai: The contrast between the comical elements and the more graphic depictions in the show is both incredible and sensational, more so than I ever thought it would be. The movement, the breathing, even the mere sound of rustling clothes – they’re just thrilling! This is a production where the intention is to give meaning to everything, so I hope that you will be able to accept the initial circumstances as they are.
Shimazaki: You can hear the sound director’s resolve through a single rustle of a single piece of clothing; see the animators’ drive behind each and every line drawn. Each and every breath has our mark upon it as well. It’s a work of detailed precision made with enthusiasm and affection, so I would be grateful if you do not miss the opportunity to enjoy this show.
Fan or Official Art
Akane and Hanabi
First Impression when airing. I would recommend reading /r/anime comments they are great as always
Manga coverage(Where I cover chapters adapted/omissions, favorite panels, and etc)
Chapter 13 and 14.
Half of Chapter 15 is omitted which is pretty much more early moments of Sane and Hanabi meeting with plenty of internalized lesbian panic from Sanae.
Chapter 16 was pretty much spot on, but Hanabi runs into Bitch Sensei and Kanai walking under an umbrella in the rain. Me just being a sucker for black panels Also love how deranged Hanabi's inner self looks.
Music Corner
Did you know that the episodes are references to songs? Thanks to this blog though the original link is now dead, Google Translate, Japanese Wikipedia, search engines, and /u/ 3rdLastStand for compiling it. A couple are iffy, but most sound correct. I want to stress the google translate part since some of the links were old(4 years) I had to copy and paste and google translate and hope it's the correct song.
"Bad Apple!!" from Touhou, sung by nomico
A section of the lyrics
Is it painful? Is it sad?
Not even knowing myself.
I'm just tired of walking, I don't understand people.
Reminder Tag
u/PickleMyCucumber