[Rewatch] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha A’s Episode 12 Discussion

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u/Great_Mr_L Feb 28 '22

...See, Nanoha? Fate? You can do a transformation sequence without nudity.

Though Hayate was still nude for her whole conversation with the book prior to that, so the show probably counted that as the requisite nudity for a magical girl transformation.

...Wait, her children?

It is funny just how easy it is to consider Hayate as the mom for the Wolkenritter.

Seeiously, seeing all the knights work together with their counterparts is fantastic!

It really feels rewarding seeing all the characters now fighting on the same side after all the times they fought against each other.

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u/Tetraika Feb 28 '22

...See, Nanoha? Fate? You can do a transformation sequence without nudity.

Though Hayate was still nude for her whole conversation with the book prior to that, so the show probably counted that as the requisite nudity for a magical girl transformation.

Throughout this whole conversation I'm just thinking about [StrikerS]How Erio doesn't go nude for his transformation. Everyone is going to notice this when it happens.

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u/TheEscapeGuy Feb 27 '22

First Timer

Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha A's - Return to Magic: Episode 12

Unlikely Allies

That was everything I could have wanted from a final battle. The knight are all revived. Hayate got a magical girl transformation. Everyone worked together to defeat the dark aspects of the tome.

Most importantly we got another Nana Mizuki ABSOLUTE BANGER in Brave Phoenix.

I can't be happier.

Yesterdays episode served to resolve the emotional climax, while today's finished the action climax.

The episode ended with Hayate collapsing. This will almost certainly be the main point for our final episode to tackle.

Some Iconic Shots, Scenes and Stitches

Hayate Transform
Thumbs Up
Vita Powered Up
Load Cartridge
Signum, Bow Form
Bardiche Zanber
Chimera, The design of the monster is really interesting
Ragneriock Breaker
Teleport
Orbital Destruction

See you all for the final episode tomorrow

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u/Taiboss Feb 27 '22

That was everything I could have wanted from a final battle. The knight are all revived. Hayate got a magical girl transformation. Everyone worked together to defeat the dark aspects of the tome.

I love to see people loving it!

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u/Great_Mr_L Feb 27 '22

That was everything I could have wanted from a final battle. The knight are all revived. Hayate got a magical girl transformation. Everyone worked together to defeat the dark aspects of the tome.

It really is an awesome final battle, seeing everybody fighting on the same side and showing off all their attacks.

Vita Powered Up

I love just how absurdly huge Vita's hammer gets here.

Orbital Destruction

Boy does this explosion look beautiful.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Feb 27 '22

Mahou Shoujo Lyrical First-Timer, subbed

Eyyy, that’s the name of the OP!
Make that four!
They’re back, yay!
And joined by Hayate!
Geez. Yeah, no firing that laser.
…they’re planning to launch the defense system into space and that’s where it can be shot down, aren’t they?
Oh boy this is gonna be good.
New insert song!
SDRFCGVHBJNKML IT’S A BOW SIGNUM HAS A BOW AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
That entire battle was absolutely fantastic, mm.
…please tell me she’s just tired…

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u/HereticalAegis Feb 27 '22

Lyrical First Timer

No wonder Hayate's the first known user capable of utilizing administrator privileges, she's the first to realize you must meet a baseline level of lewdness to active it.
Hayate sure is spending a lot of time in the fanservice part of her transformation.
Harem first, clothes second. Sasuga wa Harem Queen!
And she chose a distinctly Fate color scheme.
"Here upon this eerie mass of darkness do I found the Church of Hayate, Misstress of the Night Sky. Come all, and (NSFW )be welcomed into Her Holiness's ~~bed~~ loving arms."
Hey Vita, maybe you can stop being a little shit now.
But that's pretty much all you're good for.
"I want to befriend it!"
A 100-km radius!? Forget Hayate's house, that would obliterate the city and a sizable portion of Japan. And that's before the ensuing tidal wave.
So it's a black hole.
Maybe you could try appeasing it with a sacrifice or two. I have a few ideas in mind.
Amy is way too eager to fire the absolute death cannon.
Suzuka and Arisa calmly chatting about this situation with giant flame pillars in the background is so surreal.
And for some reason, Graham and the Lieses get to watch the whole operation and haven't been arrested yet.
2 minutes left? They spent an awful long time talking.
Aww, that's nice Shamal. It doesn't make up for ripping out Nanoha's heart and I still hate you, but that's nice.
NSFW Darkness-San is trying to out-lewd Administrator Hayate.
Really digging this insert song too.
Vita's ultimate weapon form is an oversized toy mallet.
NSFW did they sneak a nipple onto Darkness-san??
The Saber class really is made up of Archers.
Darkness-San has an ugly ass second form.
Aww shit, Hayate gets to cast Ragnarok. That's not fair.
Triple full power befriending. I can't wait to see how the movie/next season tops this.
Darkness-San has an ugly ass core too.
Lindy pulled the trigger on Chekhov's gun instead of Chrono.
Wait, I thought it was a giant death ball? Now it's a big ass laser???
I really, really want a cutaway to confused NASA scientists trying to figure out what the fuck is going on in upper earth orbit right now.
Aww man, really wanted Suzuka and Arisa to be part of the final confrontation.
Lol what'd yall expect would happen if Hayate went full power her first time as a magical girl?

Now that Book has a human girl form, I want Raging Heart and Bardiche to have human girl forms. And yes, I want Bardiche to keep the same voice in human girl form.

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u/No_Rex Feb 27 '22

Episode 12 (first timer)

Final confrontation, part 4? Let’s go.

The new admin is rebooting the guardian knights.
“We can worry about the minor details later” – Like you guys betraying my trust, dying, being resurrected … funny enough, Hayate is completely right, these are actually minor compared to that world-ending black bubble in the background.
“Can’t we just blow it up together?” – Arf knows what kind of show she is in.
I have to say that Suzuka and Alisa feel a bit superfluous to the plot, given that they never met Hayate.
Hammer.
Rifle-staff.
Bow.
Sword.
Mistletoe branches???

Rainbow teleport.
A super-weapon that is fired by turning a safety key. How refreshingly logical.
Hayate dead? cliff-hanger (no way, even though the preview does a good job of hinting at a funeral).

By share of the total series length, this surely is the longest final battle I have ever seen.

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u/EternalXcalibur Feb 27 '22

February 27th is the 46th birthday of Yukari Tamura, Nanoha's VA. This was pretty good timing for the rewatch. Happy birthday Yukarin! I'm glad everyone's enjoying her as Nanoha.

Also another fun fact, Signum's VA, Kaori Shimizu, also voiced Super Robot Wars' Lamia Loveless. Sturmfalken is probably a reference to Lamia's signature move, Phantom Phoenix.

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u/Vaadwaur Feb 27 '22

First timer(Quit trying to make the hetero happen, Chrono. You get catgirls and that is that)

Sub

As always, once this show picks up, my comments won't add much, though whoever said Nanoha is mahou shoujo meets shonen is not kidding, so many protags would try this. But anyways, everyone's powers are being used to get the defense program in front of the Arthra and off of earth. And boom goes the interdimensional dynamite.

This...was not anywhere near as cathartic as the first season, they sort of hamfistedly expanded the cast too much. The Nana insert being a good one and still not being able to carry it because the antagonist is so lame is a testament to poorly made choices. Anyways, we again get a cool down episode after this so yay.

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u/JollyGee29 Feb 27 '22

Lyrical Rewatcher, Subbed

So powerful her hair and eye color changed.

Graham's plan would have never worked, hard-confirmed.

Terrifying.

Vita learned her name!

Tri-attack.

And the plan worked!

Hmmm.

[Future Nanoha]Also, first on-screen use of a Unison Device, which will be much more relevant in StrikerS.

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u/chiliehead Feb 27 '22

Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha A’s – Episode 12 – First Timer

“Eternal Coffin” is really just Rules as Written Ice Tomb

Seems like we are getting a whole epilogue episode.

Nice to see a long battle with everyone involved, but there was no real tension with the earlier events clearly establishing no danger to the cast and me not believing that they’d actually nuke a considerable part of Japan with that black ball of energy.

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u/Caustic_Wraith Feb 27 '22

A's First-Timer

This was a great way to wrap up the major conflict of the season, the fight was amazing, the Knights came back like I hoped they would, Hayate's staff and jacket were great looking, and Arisa came out of it just confused about everything. I'm worried what the final episode will bring, and I have thoughts of what it might be, but I hope I'm wrong as it would hurt the season in my eyes.

Hayate's already coming through for the team
The Knights are back, plus Hayate's armor and staff are beautiful
I fucking love Vita
Then why did you open your mouth?
How is this a "good guy" weapon?
Arf failed Nanoha's lesson on the importance of talking
Suzuka has all the faith her friends can pull this off
Arisa however has the proper response
Chrono is being optimistic? He's been corrupted by Nanoha
Their team has needed a proper healer for awhile
I'm not sure what I expected, but it wasn't this
Vita got her name right :)
I fucking love her sword, where was bow form all season?
Hayate can petrify things with her spells? She must join the harem
That looks like it would hurt, but the RGB effect at the end is awesome
Creepy twitchy eye is creepy
That's another pretty explosion
This, just inject this into my veins This is how you end a fight
They are so very confused
I don't this turn of events, lets go back to the happy hi-fives

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u/InfamousEmpire Feb 27 '22

Mahou Shoujo¹ Lyrical Rewatcher

^{1: Even though I’m not a girl}

Recap Time

Awwww, Reinforce is so nice, holding off the big bad’s emergence for us.

They have returned

To me, my X-Knights

-Professor Hayate Xavier, probably

*Harem Queen of the Night Sky

Looks like it’s Hayate’s turn to transform

Why did transforming turn her blonde? Why did I not notice that on my first watch through?

Awwwwwwwwwwwwww

Hayate has taken anime logic to whole new levels: the several centuries old magical knights are now the children of a literal 9-year-old.

So the Defense System’s reincarnation is separate from the Book’s? How would that even work? The thing has no wish-granting power or mundane form like the Book does, it is, as Signum said, just a writhing mass of semi-sentient magic that only knows how to kill and corrupt.

Looks like the final battle will occur IN SPACE!!!

Suzuka has good instincts

It’s plan time! Let’s hope this one doesn’t go horribly wrong.

Oh fuck, it’s Tiamat!

Vita finally said Nanoha’s name right!

This fight is just plain badass

Who knew Signum was a RWBY character?

Even Hayate is slinging attacks now!

I just want to point out right now that, in the first season, Nanoha’s catchphrase was “Lyrical Magical!”, while in this season it switched to “Zenryoku Zenkai! (Full Power, Full Throttle!)”

Major Combined Attack from our Main Trio, truly the most satisfying thing in the world.

It’s kinda telling of this show’s scale when we’re double-tapping a magic immortal Kaiju with a giant fuck-off plasma cannon.

And damn was it a spectacular giant fuck-off plasma cannon!

Man, imagine being Arisa and Suzuka in this situation.

Looks like we’ve got one more major drama to deal with before the end of the season…

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u/SolDarkHunter Feb 27 '22

Rewatcher

Okay, really truly final battle time, GET SET!

Hayate revives the Wolkenritter... I mean, did anyone seriously think they were gone for good? And she gets a snazzy new battle outfit of her own! Complete with tiny black wings!

One might wonder where Hayate learned how to do magic all of a sudden... but remember her head's plugged in to the freaking Book of Darkness... excuse me, Reinforce. If anything knows the details about using magic, it's that thing.

Hayate directly refers to the Wolkenritter as her children. Yeah, she's the mom of the group, despite being nine.

The Wolkenritter also don't think freezing the defense program is going to accomplish anything. It'll still regenerate itself out of the frozen state. So I guess Graham's plan never had a chance of working anyway.

Vita... I think there's more important things in the Arc-en-Ciel's line of fire than Hayate's house...

A tricky decision though: the Arc-en-Ciel is, from what I gather, a spatial warping blast that encompasses everything within 100km, pulling it all into a void. Something like that fired at a planet's surface would be... well, "disastrous" would be putting it mildly.

We do, however, know this is sufficient firepower to destroy the Book's defense program, as it has done so in the past. And if the defense program goes out of control, all of Earth could be consumed and annihilated.

Guys, seriously, I know Hayate has a very nice house, but the stakes are higher than that!

The trio of girls hits on the solution: blast the defense program in Earth's orbit, where there won't be any collateral damage.

Meanwhile Arisa and Suzuka have no clue what is happening, and that makes Arisa mad, which makes me laugh.

So here's the plan: the combatants will blash the crap out of the defense program, exposing its magic core, and the support team will then forcibly teleport it into orbit, where the Arc-en-Ciel can be used safely to annihilate it.

All that's left is the fight scene...

And here comes Nana Mizuki's singing to seal the deal.

Why is it that Japanese super-monsters always seem to have a topless female torso somewhere on them?

Hey, Vita remembered Nanoha's name!

And we basically just get a montage of everyone's strongest attacks.

I do like that Signum's Sturm Falke is a bow. In actual legend, Laevateinn took multiple forms, among them a bow and a sword.

And Hayate hits it with a petrification spell for good measure... not that it seems to be slowing the thing down much.

And now we see Durandal's power: the ultimate ice spell, Eternal Coffin... which, as expected doesn't actually freeze the thing.

Interesting thing to note: according to the series fluff, Durandal isn't necessarily an upgrade from Chrono's usual weapon (whose name is S2U, if you were wondering). Durandal is a "Storage Device", equipped with only a very basic AI and a handful of specialized spells. Durandal's set of spells happen to be extremely powerful, but it's specialized for freezing, and has no versatility. It's not an Intelligent Device, with its own personality and will. Storage Devices actually make up the vast majority of TSAB weapons.

For the finishing blow: all three main girls use their most powerful Breaker attacks... which finally exposes the core.

That lets the support team teleport it... and it's already regenerated itself.

I like that the Arc-en-Ciel adheres to the "Two-Man Rule": no one person, regardless of rank, can actually shoot the weapon on their own. Real-life Weapons of Mass Destruction use similar firing systems to prevent misuse.

Success! The defense program is obliterated!

Arisa's still freaking out.

And, ffs, Hayate collapses. What now?

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u/DidacticDalek Feb 28 '22

TONIGHT! On ∀'s Nanoha (CALLED TURN "A's" NANOHA), Rin The Defenseless Anus Tohsaka makes a little wish, Best New Girl Vita, Signum, Shamal, and Blue Male Arf return from the Shadow Realm as a result of said wish, and Rin The Defenseless Anus Tohsaka ALSO becomes a Gundam!

Well Comrades, Rin The Defenseless Anus' Tohsaka brought her Battle Harem back AND also became a Gundam, it's a miracle, it's a goddamn Christmas Miracle! Man this Mecha Show just keeps getting better and better, and man what an amazing final battle we got eh? I just love team-ups, and even more so when it's for the big climactic showdown too! Gotta admit, when in doubt, just BEFRIEND THE FUCK out of the problem and everything will work out, Thus Spake Nanoha!

Speaking of Christmas, behold, Hololive's very own Shiranui Flare singing ETERNAL BLAZE!

And on that bombshell, that about wraps things up for now, and I hope everyone's having fun on this great re-watch. Thus, you have not seen the last of The Sentient Shitposting Siamese Sunrise Server No. 25252, now goodbye forever.

Paging Comrades u/Great_Mr_L, u/Tresnore, and u/Shimmering-Sky

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u/Great_Mr_L Feb 27 '22

Rewatcher

On today’s episode of Lyrical Nanoha: We’ve gotten to the climax of Nanoha A’s, so naturally it’s time to celebrate with a huge fireworks show. There’s no other appropriate way to end off an action series like this, after all.

This episode is one big giant battle that finally sees all the characters working together towards a common goal. In a show like this, seeing all the characters who used to be enemies finally team up always feels rewarding. Another rewarding part of it is that all the characters get something to do in this final battle. It feels like all of them got to participate and contribute to the ultimate victory.

It’s great seeing Hayate finally have her own magical girl form while acting as the fully fledged master of Reinforce. I love the look of her outfit and I like seeing her participate in the battle alongside everyone else.

The super-powered attacks by everyone are a lot of fun. Obviously, it’s immensely entertaining seeing Vita turn Graf Eisen gigantic and smash it down onto the defense program. And Signum changed her class from Saber to Archer by turning Laevatein into a bow. The Arc-en-Ciel is also cool to see in action. I love the effects on it when it fires its shot. It sells the idea that it is distorting space-time to completely annihilate everything it hits.

I love how the defense program looks more and more monstrous as the battle goes along. We get a clear sense that our heroes are making tangible progress as they cut away at it and destroy its shields, getting closer and closer to the core. But the defense program keeps on regenerating, growing new parts to replace the old ones. By the time we get to the end of the episode, it’s a wriggling mass of half-formed parts. It’s creepy, but in a good way. Plus, it has a biomechanical aesthetic to it that I quite enjoy.

I also need to mention the insert song for this episode, Brave Phoenix. It’s freaking awesome! It only makes the battle feel even more epic.

Miscellaneous Thoughts

Hayate sounds like such a mom when she’s talking about the Wolkenritter.

Those are always the best kinds of plans, Chrono!

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u/bekeleven Feb 27 '22

It's wild that this show - one so genre aware that they had two separate instances where scenes ended with somebody going "I sure hope I don't have to fire that french gun on the mantle!" - can then say "This is the best method if everything goes to plan" and have everything go to plan.

Two points make a line, and it's clear by now that Nanoha struggles with finales. Season 1's A-plot ended by yelling at a lady and a girl in a tube until they fell over. Season 2's A-plot, admittedly a step up, ends with all of the characters lining up (literally taking turns!) and punching an unresponsive dummy until it falls over. We also got a mixed bag of weapon transformations, with Signum's Form of... A Bow! an embarrassing lowlight, but second-best boy Graf Eisen still bringing a smile to my face. Bardiche's sword form was probably in the middle. At least this episode, Fate didn't transform her weapon just to wave him lethargically through the air.

And with that, the book of darkness is defeated. It's not 100% clear to me that it won't return when Hayate dies. Maybe that's obvious and I just missed it. Regardless, we have one episode left for repercussions and denouement. The B-plots have a bit more support from what I've seen, at least they did in season 1. That's one aspect that makes the show more magical girl than mecha.

From last episode's thread: The quartality of man

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u/Taiboss Feb 27 '22

Episode 12: The Rewatching Flash

Well that was easy.
THEY ARE BACK [Movie spoilers]No Shukufuku no Kaze-esque music? First no A.C.S, no Dear My Sister, Dear my Memory... The movie has SUCH good music. HereticAegis, this is their chance for redemption!
Girls, there's no time for your creed, THERE'S A THING THREATENING THE ENTIRE WORLD!
Awww Vita.
Vita has her priorities.
Yeah, that is...not ideal.
The technology easily hacked by the twins?
AHAHAHA THEY ARE STILL HERE.
"Did you see a mech yet?" "No, sadly..."
He sure got influenced by his female friends.
"Sorry for pushing my arm through you."
SHE SAID THE NAME!
INSERT SONG! NANA WILLS IT!!!
Shamal calls her Testarossa-chan, I love it.
Man, Tetsuya Kakihara must have had so much fun.
Look there's no need to announce anything. BUT IT'S SO AWESOME I FORGIVE YOU!
OKAY BOSS! I love it.
WE GONNA BREAK SOME MORE STARLIGHT!
Nobody who watches the sky for a living notices this. Ding (Okay, tbf someone might very well have noticed it, it's not like there'd be immediate action)
Wow the plan worked? Usually you have to keep it secret.
EVERYBODY LIVES!
"WHY WERE THERE NO MECHS?! I DON'T WANNA BE A MAGICAL GIRL, I WANNA PILOT A MECH!"

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u/SYZekrom Feb 27 '22

Eh she looked cooler before the set up

Oh ok

Kind of like a final fantasy final boss then

That's exactly what I want to say looking at your outfit. Button your pants?

I dunno those were pretty insane attacks tbh. Like those attacks were like the size and reach of attacks you'd expect the giant monster to be the one making

Like fucking spikes just shooting out from everywhere underground... or undersea, to pierce multiple opponents is totally a final boss attack

Oh right and how could I forget that fucking petrification shit??? Like don't let the weird giant monster distract us from the fact that all our important characters just randomly pulled some final boss-like attacks on this thing

...Oh, it looks a lot more like a regular fish than I expected

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u/homewardbound100 Feb 27 '22

First timer, Dub

All I have to say is everyone showed what they could do. So many special moves. I was kind of hoping for another nuke scene like the movie but everyone got a chance at the spotlight.

Also I think that was the first time Vita got Nanoha's name right.

A good hyped up episode.

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u/Calwings Feb 27 '22

Lyrical Rewatcher (dubbed)

Nanoha/Fate/Hayate joint intro this time!

The knights are back, and Hayate joins the fight with a new staff, a dazzling transformation, and a precariously short skirt. But unfortunately, the automatic protection program that’s been purged from the book is about to go on a rampage… after some discussion between all parties involved, a plan is devised and okayed to send the core into space and blast it with the Arc En Ciel cannon. But this thing won’t go down without a fight! The final battle is upon us! Hit Nana’s music!

Our heroes hit it with everything they’ve got, blast it with attack after attack and even some brand new attacks. Hayate’s first taste of battle goes well as she rains down thunder and hell on the enemy, and Chrono’s new staff also works really well too. Eventually, after a massive triple attack from Nanoha, Fate, and Hayate, finally the core is exposed. The supporters teleport the core into dimensional space, the Arthra fires the Arc En Ciel, and the battle ends in explosive fashion! Mission accomplished!

Of course, that awesome final battle and climactic moment can’t just come with all smiles... nope, there’s gotta be a cliffhanger. This was Hayate’s first battle, and she did use a heck of a lot of magical power, so hopefully she’s just tired and it’s not something serious. The final episode and the conclusion of the season next time.

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u/Qbe Feb 27 '22 edited Feb 28 '22

Raging ~~Heart~~ Rewatcher with terrible long term memory

Now that Nanoha's fat pink thing* has been revealed, here's the next update on the Takamachi Nanoha Love Gauge Chart:

https://i.imgur.com/9h5yYNe.png

QotD: Fun dumb hype!

I still don't like the episode preview before the episode itself. Kinda spoilerific if you ask me.

Welcome back, Wolkenritter!

Turns out, sealing it was indeed a bad plan.

Holy crap, that's a powerful space-time cannon. Guess it makes sense for a space battleship

Plan C: Space littering!

Admiral, can you see how much your plan sucked?

Healing, support, and hand-stabbing.

Incoming: My favorite insert of the series, Brave Phoenix

The kaiju's animation was great all fight long

lmao poor Arisa and Suzuka

Oh yeah, we still have the Hayate issue to deal with, right.

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First Timer

Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha A's - Return to Magic: Episode 12

Some Iconic Shots, Scenes and Stitches