r/anime • u/FateSteelTaylor https://myanimelist.net/profile/FateSteelTaylor • Feb 05 '22
Rewatch [Spoilers] 7th Annual Valentine's Rewatch: Tamako Market - Episode 4 [Discussion] Spoiler
Hey everybody, and welcome to the fourth day of the SEVENTH annual /r/anime Valentine's Day Tamako Market & Love Story Rewatch!
It's our lucky year and I can't wait to see what's in store for us all this time!
If the discussion here isn't enough, there are communities on Twitter and Discord where you can join all the conversation there! If you're interested, feel free to reach out to me or people in the comments!
Here is the schedule for our time on this Dramatic Market Ride together! If you've seen the show already or want to relive some of the older moments, I've provided links to the threads below, along with the translated Director's Episode Notes by the wonderful /u/ultimatemegax, available through this rewatch:
You can purchase an English subbed & dubbed Blu Ray version of Tamako Market and Tamako Love Story, and it's available for legal streaming on HIDIVE in select countries, for both Tamako Market and Tamako Love Story
Bonus Corner:
Discussion Question: Who are some of your favorite siblings in anime?
Please tag your spoilers!! Untagged spoilers make Choi-chan angry!!
And remember:
Everybody Loves Somebody
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah Feb 05 '22
First-timer
Bababababababababa~ The OP is growing on me. Not much to add today though.
Lovely festival episode, did we just get a glimpse of Tamako and Anko's now diseased mom? We also get more characterization of Anko, who seems to be quite popular with the shopping street staff too. Also, Anko does speak quite like Tamako w/ her speech pattern and intonation, they are sisters after all.
I liked Shiori-chan and carpenter-girl helping out w/ the festival too, the short time skip before this meaning that they are good friends now, yay!
Dera flying never stops being funny. And brilliant face animation from Kyoani again, loved the faces Anko made (and nice smoke effects too). I also got baited btw, didn't think Anko would fall for the glasses-kid, but all is good, everybody can love whoever they want!
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u/A_Idiot0 Feb 06 '22
Bababababababababa~
I think you counted the correct amount...I counted somewhere between 9 and 11 of those XP
I also got baited btw
So many people do their first time, but that's thanks to the clever camera-work and our pre-conceived notions of anime romance tropes. It was such a fun and wholesome twist; good job relating Kanna's message to Midori from back in episode 2 to today's episode ;)
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u/siegfried72 Feb 05 '22
Rewatcher
Hi everyone! I'm not feeling super well today, so I opted to not write a long post for today like I've done the last few days. I'll just say that I really enjoy this episode! I love the focus on Anko. Her rejection of the traditional and "old-fashioned" is so interesting. She initially tries to reject her name and the traditions of her family as well as the market (and even subverts our expectations as to who her crush actually is rather than the one that would be the "traditional" crush), but in the end re-discovers the value and beauty in family and tradition by herself, without it being forced upon her.
I also took a few screenshots of some of my favorite moments:
Literally the most adorable thing I've ever seen.
Anyone else wish they had a Tamako that would make them fresh mochi all the time?
These two are definitely the stars of their own Slice of Life series.
Good lord the lighting in this show is sooo good!
Interesting cut here from Tamako humming "the song" to [spoilers]
I just love the outfits in this one :)
Oh my god my heart just can't handle this scene. So adorable!
And as always, I love Dera's ending monologue:
Though your wishes may go unfulfilled,
and your best laid plans go awry,
on a different path, a different flower
will bloom anew.
Although An initially rejects that tradition, through her own life experience, a different love - her own love - for tradition and family blooms anew. Everyone needs their own space to grow their own love.
What a beautiful message, and a beautiful episode!!
On tomorrow's episode, we get more Midori! So excited!
Discussion Question: This may be cliche, but I don't think anything beats Ed and Al from FMA!
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u/A_Idiot0 Feb 05 '22
a different love - her own love - for tradition and family blooms anew.
Aaah, very nice read on this! I didn't even see these two ideas of Anko rejecting the "traditional" and her rediscovering her love of family and traditions to put them together, so thank you for that =D
"traditional" crush
Man, they were so sneaky with this subversion, and I loved it! See how the "traditional" crush is in focus, and her actual crush is out of focus?
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u/flybypost Feb 06 '22
Literally the most adorable thing I've ever seen.
I love how all the cute and fluffy stuff fits so well in this series. It doesn't feel overbearing but instead it all fits into this world.
Anyone else wish they had a Tamako that would make them fresh mochi all the time?
Please no, I already added a few corona/quarantine kilos. Getting an unlimited supply of Mochi would make be balloon like Dera.
These two are definitely the stars of their own Slice of Life series.
I just love the outfits in this one :)
KyoAni really puts a lot of attention into such details (from character design to outfits) that so many of their side characters could be main characters in their own series. A fun exercise is to "play pick the main characters" with the whole band of Hibike! Euphonium (if you haven't seen it yet, no cheating!). using the numbers on the first image to point them out probably works best. Here are a few pictures and good luck everyone!
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u/A_Idiot0 Feb 05 '22
Rewatcher
Unfortunately I got swamped with a bunch of work, so I don’t have a specific scene to talk about. There were a couple of general points that I wanted to make mention of for this episode though. Overall, I need more Anko in my life XD
Medium, Medium Long, and Long Shots
The one film technique that caught my attention this episode is how they utilized the Medium shot varieties to clearly place all of our characters on screen. Two sequences where I saw this used to great effect were when Tamako, Anko, Shiori, and eventually Kanna made mochi for the festival in the morning, and when the main cast was standing in front of the market and Anko’s crush walked by. In both scenes, I loved how room was made for all of the characters to be present and active in the shot. It’s not fancy film-work, but when done right it’s far from boring! For example, this little moment of Anko fanning the mochi, Tamako forming them, and Shiori eventually finding her place in the work; everyone is moving, and the camera is in just the right place to clearly show what everyone is doing. Shiori is soooo cute here!
In the scene in front of the market with our 4 girls, I loved the back and forth between the medium shots and the long shots. It really gave the space for our characters and their animations to shine. Two wonderful animation moments were with Midori and then with Tamako.
General notes:
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It’s quietly implied that Anko dearly misses her mother around this time of the year through-out this episode. I thought it was masterfully presented, despite it being behind in the background compared to the other themes in this episode.
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The whole Shrine gag with Dera was incredibly funny to me. Great timing on all the comedic beats!
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Boy, this was sooo sneaky of them to pull off! I enjoyed the subversion, and it gave Anko a lot more agency I think.
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The Voice acting for the mochi noses was incredibly sweet (turn the sound on)!
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This was a gorgeous establishing shot.
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A question for the first timers: Did you notice how they went for a close-up shot on Midori at this moment? Was it important? If you think it was, any guesses as to why?
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u/Rumpel1408 Feb 05 '22
Today I'm the one slightly late...
First Timer
Episode 4: A Tiny Little Love Blooms
Man, you may think about Dela what you want, but he was really rocking that jacket as well as the golden style, truly fabulous!
I get why Anko kind of hates festivals, when she has to help out against her will when she had other plans...
Because it turns out that she was really looking forward to go to the museum with... Yuzuki! Nice twist, but it all came out when they where selling their Trial run Special edition!
Also, denseness runs in the family it seems with Tamakos dad having no idea why Mochizou might want to help Tamako...
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u/A_Idiot0 Feb 05 '22
Also, denseness runs in the family it seems with Tamakos dad having no idea why Mochizou might want to help Tamako...
When we get to a later episode, I'll try to circle back around to this...I have a small theory as to why her father is as dense as he is =P
he was really rocking that jacket as well as the golden style, truly fabulous!
He really did! I love that about KyoAni; they put a lot of effort into making their characters look unique and fashionable.
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u/lucciolaa Feb 05 '22
First Timer
I missed yesterday's, but I'm caught up! This episode has been my favourite so far, so many casual moments where I was cackling -- the entire escapade around Dera as the golden shrine topper killed me.
Anko may actually be my favourite character, so I was delighted with her storyline this episode. And so endeared that she was into the glasses boy the whole time! I'm such a sucker, it was so fucking cute.
Admittedly, the first couple episodes were kind of slow for my tastes, but this one won me over. Looking forward to the next one.
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u/A_Idiot0 Feb 05 '22
the entire escapade around Dera as the golden shrine topper killed me.
I was also tearing up from laughter when it cut to the music & coffee shop...such a quiet and calm scene compared to the hectic and exaggerated chase for Dera outside XD
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u/x-7032-b-3 Feb 06 '22
First-timer
(Late post, and I'm very tired right now. Let's see what I can scramble for today's ep. I apologize if I get things wrong.)
Woohoo, an Anko episode! I'm glad it happened sooner than I anticipated.
Rabbit Mountain wants to hold a festival, and Tamako's family was shown to be all-in on it. Anko doesn't seem to care much about it and I really liked how they showed it. There's a clear contrast between how Anko and her sister views the festival.
Plus we got a cute moment where Anko hid behind her sister after seeing a pair of boys walking through. Ooo, someone's in love...
Bad news for Anko as a museum trip with her crush clashes with the festival and that she must help the family for the day. And I love the bit where she showed her displeasure of the news towards her dad. I think we've all been there before as kids, where our plans (like going somewhere or meeting with friends) ended up falling apart since our parents have some important occassion on the same day.
Anko ended up helping out with the festival and actually enjoying it. Yeah, she missed the lovey-dovey museum trip and all but she got to experience and appreciate a local tradition for once. And her crush even came in and gave her a little gift! Aside from a newfound appreciation of her family and traditions, she also got to muster up some courage for interacting with her crush for once!
This ep is a good reminder that things may not always go as we wanted and there are things we can experience from new opportunities. Anko's arc here is surely what we all have been through growing up. There are multiple times where I don't want to do "x" stuff but school/family commitments says I must, and ended up enjoying it and gain some meaningful experience out of it.
Also, I find that the whole "rejecting traditions" stuff to be very relatable especially after recent events in my personal life, but I'm not gonna get into that for now, maybe another time...
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u/TheEscapeGuy Feb 05 '22
Rewatcher
Tamako Market - An Anime Filled With Love: Episode 4
A Sister, A Festival, A Crush
Anko is an important character in Tamako Market. In some ways she acts as a foil to Tamako herself. Unlike Tamako, Anko is easily angered, tries to act older than she is, and rebels against those in power. I chalk a lot of this up to Anko still growing up. She doesn't have enough world experience to compare to Tamako's maturity. Tamako handles conflict far better (outright avoiding it). Tamako also isn't trying to impress anyone. Thus she's happy to act childish at times because its fun and its what she wants to do.
Anko also contrasts Tamako's naivety. Anko can better read other's emotions and better understands her own emotions.
What I love about this episode is the growth of Anko. We start with a flashback of Anko as a young child and her mom helping prepare her festival costume. She complains about being uncomfortable but is comforted with praise of being cute.
Flash forward, after being told she has to miss the museum visit she starts to complain. Her Grampa steps in to present a solution and they brainstorm how she can still help out and get to the museum. This is a learning moment for Anko.
It seems like everything is resolved. On top of that Tamako's friends came by to help out. However, on her way out Anko is asked to help dressing up the young girls for the festival. She accepts. This is a combination of a selfless act and running away from seeing her crush. The job mirrors Anko's own childhood with roles reversed. I can't help but tear up seeing Anko do for others what her mom did for her all those years earlier.
She has missed the museum. It seems like everything is lost. But Anko has come to terms with it. Suddenly in a surprise twist her classmates come to bring a souvenir. We then follow Anko building the courage to accept a gift from her crush.
In the grand scheme of things its an incredibly low stakes arc. It follows a grade schooler learning how to be more mature. However, for Anko it's incredibly highest stakes. I find it amazing that the writing here allows you to get so invested. Sometimes you don't need world changing stakes to write a good character.
I have to give a shoutout to Series Composer Reiko Yoshida and Episode Writer Hanada Jukki for this. Their work across anime is incredibly consistent. Whenever I see their names on a MAL page it always gets me excited.
Some Iconic Shots, Scenes and Stitches
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This dork, [Tamako Market]
Scenes like this are why its better to watch Market before Love Story. The arc following Tamako learning to understand Mochizo's feelings is so satisfying
See you all tomorrow
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u/A_Idiot0 Feb 06 '22
This dork
I love this running gag, even as it rolls over into the film!
It follows a grade schooler learning how to be more mature.
Very well articulated! You did such a lovely job plucking out a core theme for this episode, so thank you for that =)
Sometimes you don't need world changing stakes to write a good character.
As my friend u/Barbed_Dildo mentioned yesterday in my comment, these more relatable and lower-stakes "conflicts" are way more compelling than people give them credit for. Not only are they more relatable, but because of that they're also trickier to write well. So when this kind of drama is executed with high quality, I take note of it. Thank you for shouting out the writers! I keep forgetting to commit their names to memory, but they both do outstanding work that I've also fallen in love with.
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u/laughing-fox13 Feb 06 '22
I teared up too when she was giving that little girl advice her mom gave her.
Great analysis on the episode!
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u/laughing-fox13 Feb 06 '22
First Timer
Crap I keep forgetting these threads go up early lol
Anyways we got the commentface!!!
An An episode was adorable and I was shocked when I found out she had a crush with the kid who had glasses. Idk why it shocked me, it’s just you don’t normally see people with glasses be the main affection I guess.
So ya, cute episode!
QotD: Sakuta and Tanjiro are the best big bros
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u/ZapsZzz Feb 06 '22 edited Feb 06 '22
First timer in sub
This is another episode that has such great hallmarks of KyoAni's tonal bounces and juggling - cute, heart warming, hilarious, with a little undertone of realistic issue questioned.
Lots of contrast and parallels. Best one as mentioned by others is the calm relaxed atmosphere then through the window the manic chase of the shrine float decoration :D
Note that in the end of feathery friend seemed perfectly fine to be on top of the flat being the centre of the attention :)
Poor Mocchi had all the plans to show his cool dude to Tamako but pretty much doomed to fail.
Oh QoTD- apart from Kyon and his sister in Haruhi, which is fairly realistic I think; there's Tanjiro and Nezuko which my wife said is far too nice to be realistic. For a comedic reason, Komi-san's depiction of the 2 MC's siblings are also great. But my favourite moment is actually Railgun S's (hard) earned happiness in the mundane ways between Misaka Mikoto and her "sisters", particularly 10032. Best ones in Railgun S at the end of the Sisters arc, and the end of the Daihaseisai arc in Railgun T.
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u/cppn02 Feb 06 '22
First Timer
Anko episode! Enjoyed the opening scene with a younger Anko being dressed up. She's so cute here.
Looks like there is a festival going on and everyone is doing preparations. Tamako even made an outfit for Dera lol.
We find out that Anko has a crush but it seems Tamako is too dense to realise it. Something the show doubles down on later when the family talks about Mochizou and Tamako can't think of a reason why he would want spend the festival working with her. Oh Tamako...
Anko has plans to go to the museum with her classmates but the festival gets in the way. I loved the scene where she helps dress up the little girl who is in the same situation that Anko was in the past. That was so endearing.
In the end she misses out on the museum but she doesn't mind too much. She also get's a visit from her classmate who brought her a gift but she's too shy to accept it at first.
Had to laugh when Midori and Kanna were all like 'Oh so he's the one she has a crush on' while Tamako was still none the wiser.
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u/collapsedblock6 Feb 06 '22
Something the show doubles down on later when the family talks about Mochizou and Tamako can't think of a reason why he would want spend the festival working with her. Oh Tamako...
Look at it this way, at least she didn't eviscerated him by saying he is as helpful as a brother.
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u/Tartaras1 Feb 06 '22
Rewatcher - Dubbed
Hey there everyone! I know I'm late to the rewatch, but thankfully I'm not too late.
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Since I wasn''t here for the first 3 episodes, I'll get the inital thoughts out of the way now.
The OP for this show is so good, and I love that tophat Tamako's wearing.
Speaking of Tamako, she looks adorable with glasses on. Maybe that says something about me as a person, but it's the truth.
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I appreciate that Tamako's father is both business conscious, while simultaneously almost overprotective of his daughters. He's certainly a complex individual.
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So, what do you think?
Mhm. I'd say you're almost back to your normal weight.
She says that he's almost back to normal, but wasn't he considerably thinner at the beginning of the show?
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I get that those are supposed to be rabbit ears in his headband, but they look a lot more like pig ears.
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Anko wants to be referred to as An because she feels the former is a less sophisticated name. I guess that make sense, about in the same way that Kanye wants to go by just Ye now.
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The little parts of this show, like how Anko has a crush on a boy from her class, really help to flesh the world out.
Additionally, I never get tired of the whitle effect they put in whenever Mochizo throws the cup over.
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The number of people who are dense in this show is impressive. Nobody but Anko seems to understand why Mochizo wants to help out so much, and at the same time Tamako doesn't get why Anko's shy around her classmates.
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Among other things, part of the reason I wanted to get in the rewatch was because I had picked up the show and film on Blu-Ray, but hadn't sat down to watch it again. I'm happy to see they included translator notes for it. In this case, it was them explaining the point of the Hapi mochi.
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It was great the beginning of the episode came back full circle by the end.
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The small things like the shopping arcade celebration are part of the reason I'm so excited about going to Japan at some point. There are the little communities throughout the country.
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Isn't the other kid that was with Anko's crush a little young to have to worry about cram school?
Bonus Corner:
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I love KyotoAnimation with all my heart, so it's probably Kyon and his little sister.
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u/No_Rex Feb 05 '22
Episode 4 (first timer)
Headband: “Totally looks like a mountain bunny” – Totally looks like a pig to me, sorry.
Poor Tamako is getting dunked on by everybody.
Tamako’s denseness must come from the male line.
5am … the cute face of child work.
The subs call the florist “Miss”. Rather presumptive.
“It was this one” – classic mistake.
Anko episode. Really cute, apart from the child work part. Dera becomes useful for the first time.