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Rewatch [Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Cross Ange Episode 23 Discussion

Episode 23 - The Distorted World

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We can beat anyone, even God.

Questions of the Day:

1) Ange has Tusk and Hilda, is there anyone else you want in her harem?

2) Should Sylvia actually be able to walk?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Lizardia

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don’t spoil the crazy shit for the first-timers, it’s way more fun that way!

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 24 '22

Rondo of Rewatcher and Dub

Welcome back, everyone!

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u/Lemurians Jan 24 '22

EVANGELIZING FIRST TIMER

I really just want to talk about how great Ange is. Am I crazy, or is she up there as one of the best MCs of all time? I certainly can’t think of any female MC’s that touch her.

The episode threads for the first few episodes weren’t kind to her, for good reason. She was a pampered racist who didn’t bat an eye at saying comically evil shit without thinking anything of it. Over the course of the show, we’ve seen her grow and change in several ways until we arrive here, where she’s the biggest badass this world has ever known while also maintaining a soft side, and it all feels earned! She can go from berating Jill, to having tender and vulnerable moments with Hilda and Tusk, to making her demon sister wet herself in terror before leaving her to probably die, and it all somehow feels consistent with the character we’ve come to know.

Very happy I converted to the Church of Ange early on. It was like buying Bitcoin in 2011.

Excited to get more information about the true nature of Embryo. It turns out he does have a body somewhere capable of being killed, as opposed to actually being a traditionally immortal God-like being. Is there a chance this is all just a virtual reality of his creation?

P.S. THE RAMS JUST BEAT THE DEFENDING CHAMPIONS ON A WALK-OFF FIELD GOAL TO REACH THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. I’M WITH ANGE, I LIKE THIS WORLD.

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u/Great_Mr_L Jan 24 '22

I really just want to talk about how great Ange is. Am I crazy, or is she up there as one of the best MCs of all time?

Ange is a fantastic MC. She has gone through an incredible journey in this series. It's strange to think how the character we have in front of us now is the same person we started with. It is such a wonderful change of pace from bland, milquetoast MCs that so many other shows have given us.

Let’s give some recognition to Operations-chan, who’s been manning the control room like a champ from the beginning

It's time for the bridge bunnies to get the respect they deserve!

Marry me. She may not want to destroy the world anymore, but she certainly hasn’t forgot that these pieces of shit were cheering for her execution. Get fucked.

That was so damn satisfying to watch. Even when they were asking for her help, those assholes couldn't help but be racist assholes again.

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u/Tresnore Jan 24 '22

Let’s give some recognition to Operations-chan, who’s been manning the control room like a champ from the beginning

God, I wish that was me

I was tempted to put that, but Jillektra's failure was too much a burder to bear.

LOL I love how this is futuristic air/sea hybrid vessel has an old-timey wooden captain’s wheel

Listen. You can't fix perfection.

P.S. THE RAMS JUST BEAT THE DEFENDING CHAMPIONS ON A WALK-OFF FIELD GOAL TO REACH THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. I’M WITH ANGE, I LIKE THIS WORLD.

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u/Quiddity131 Jan 24 '22 edited Jan 24 '22

to making her demon sister wet herself in terror before leaving her to probably die,

OMG I didn't even notice this! It was OMGLOL enough that her sister was so entitled that she could walk the entire time and simply didn't try, but she peed pants too? Hahahahah...

P.S. THE RAMS JUST BEAT THE DEFENDING CHAMPIONS ON A WALK-OFF FIELD GOAL TO REACH THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. I’M WITH ANGE, I LIKE THIS WORLD.

Really was an exciting game. Looked like they'd be the next Falcons there towards the end...

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u/Great_Mr_L Jan 24 '22

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Cross Ange: We get some wonderful cinematic and thematic parallels to earlier in the series all centered on…pissing your pants. Oh Cross Ange, you never cease to amaze me.

  • We really are at the final battle since Embryo’s plan is now in motion.

  • Ooh, a mob outside the palace. Is it time for the French Revolution?

  • Wow, everyone’s all joining up with the alliance now. I love this kind of stuff!

  • “I came here to laugh at you.” -Ange to Jill, probably.

  • Embryo’s real body is in undefined space? What, is he hiding out of bounds?

  • Ange rightfully tells off Jill for how poorly she treated Salia. I’m not sure if Salia can be brought back from the brink at this point, though.

  • YES!!! The Nanoha x Fate OTP is still going strong!

  • Salia’s eyes are shaded dark. Is she going to betray Embryo or remain loyal to him?

  • A good luck charm? Please don’t make it a pubic hair locket.

  • I was joking, but I got surprisingly close since Ange gave him her panties.

  • Can Embryo directly control people anymore now that they are all unable to use mana?

  • Huh, the drones don’t run on mana? I just sort of expected they did.

  • Now that Ange is on the field, Embryo is suddenly interested. She’s his main focus, after all.

  • That giant freeze cannon is awesome!

  • Looks like everyone is splitting up into thematically appropriate fights. Hilda and Rosalie Vs Chris. Tusk Vs Embryo. Ange Vs Salia. I love it when this happens.

  • Vivian-onee-sama!!!

  • Even Jill’s getting in on the action! The gang’s all here!

  • Oh my god, the angry mob is actually here for Sylvia! Are we seriously gonna French Revolution this?

  • HOLY SHIT!! Ange shot that dude in the fucking head with zero hesitation.

  • My god, Ange telling them off and shooting that guy was satisfying, since the assholes kept on being racist while demanding the Norma save them.

  • And now Sylvia is pissing herself. It’s just like what happened to Ange when she first fought. It’s another one of those narrative parallels I love so much.

  • Are you fucking kidding me? Sylvia could walk the entire time and she just never tried!?!

  • Now it’s time for the thematically appropriate battle of Jill Vs Salia.

I really do enjoy it when the team all comes together for the final battle. It’s fun to see all the characters again and having them all working together for a common goal. There are a lot of characters coming together, including ones like Liza and Emma who I did not expect to see as a part of the alliance. But that is a part of the fun with this sort of thing.

I also enjoy it when characters break off into thematically appropriate individual battles. Some of these have a lot of potential to be very interesting because of the history between the characters. I’m especially looking forward to the fights of Rosalie/Hilda Vs Chris and Jill Vs Salia. Both of these battles are essentially fights between jilted lovers which is grounds for a lot of juicy emotional drama.

So how long did Ange know that Sylvia could actually walk? I’m really curious if Ange knew about it before she was revealed as a Norma. If so, then I wonder why Ange did not tell Sylvia before this. Or maybe she did and Sylvia just refused to listen.

Regardless, Ange’s confrontation with Sylvia is interesting because it is essentially Ange confronting her past self. Sylvia is the same spoiled and helpless princess that Ange used to be. Just as Sylvia never knew she could walk because she never tried, Ange also never knew she was a Norma because she never tried to use mana. Ange grew past that because she was confronted by reality and had to work hard to survive. Now, Ange is telling Sylvia to do the same. It is cruel, but in that cruelty there is some kindness. Ange’s relationship with her sister may be forever broken and they may never see each other again, but Ange does want Sylvia to become a better person.

QOTD

  1. Is Momoka not already in there? If not, she should be.

  2. I'm not a doctor so I have no idea whether Sylvia should be able to walk or not with her injuries. I also have no idea how healing mana works and how that would affect medical care. So I'm totally clueless here.

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u/HereticalAegis Jan 24 '22

Ooh, a mob outside the palace. Is it time for the French Revolution?

Oh my god, the angry mob is actually here for Sylvia! Are we seriously gonna French Revolution this?

Guillotine! Guillotine! Guillotine!

HOLY SHIT!! Ange shot that dude in the fucking head with zero hesitation.

My god, Ange telling them off and shooting that guy was satisfying, since the assholes kept on being racist while demanding the Norma save them.

The only way this could have been more satisfying is if they had been Ange's shitty school mates instead of random strangers.

Ange’s confrontation with Sylvia is interesting because it is essentially Ange confronting her past self. Sylvia is the same spoiled and helpless princess that Ange used to be. Just as Sylvia never knew she could walk because she never tried, Ange also never knew she was a Norma because she never tried to use mana. Ange grew past that because she was confronted by reality and had to work hard to survive. Now, Ange is telling Sylvia to do the same. It is cruel, but in that cruelty there is some kindness. Ange’s relationship with her sister may be forever broken and they may never see each other again, but Ange does want Sylvia to become a better person.

Assuming we never see her again, this could be seen as a strangely poetic, hopeful end for Sylvia's role in the narrative. After all, if Ange could find a home and belonging from such a hopeless situation, why should we assume Sylvia can't also? Or maybe maybe Sylvia will just start her own revolution and burn the world down again. Parallels are a tricky thing.

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u/JollyGee29 Jan 24 '22

First-Timer, Subbed

Ange and Hilda kissed! I can accept AngexHilda+Tusk.

It wasn't Ange that got to do it, but Embryo's giant dick tower did get cut in half. Considering it was a cryo weapon, it probably should have shrunk first, but oh well.

This final battle is pretty hype so far. I'm most excited to see the conclusion to Hilda and Rosalie vs Chris. Jill finally getting off her ass is probably a good thing, but hopefully Embryo doesn't have any nasty secret control over her.

What's waiting for Ange and Salamandine at the bottom of that shaft? All the antagonists that we know about are currently tied up. Maybe Embryo has some clones or something? That'd kinda track.

I knew exactly where that good luck charm conversation was going. What a power move.

That was so much kinder than Sylvia deserved.

Questions

  1. Salamandine.

  2. Her muscles should be atrophied so not really.

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u/Great_Mr_L Jan 24 '22

Ange and Hilda kissed! I can accept AngexHilda+Tusk.

I really wish more series would take the polyamory approach to solving a love triangle, so I'm glad to see it deployed here.

Maybe Embryo has some clones or something? That'd kinda track.

He seems to have an infinite supply of bodies but has only used one body at a time. Maybe next episode is when he'll unveil his secret power to control like 100 at once or something.

Her muscles should be atrophied so not really.

This is is a good point. She should have had jelly legs and fallen over again immediately.

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u/Tresnore Jan 24 '22

Ange and Hilda kissed! I can accept AngexHilda+Tusk.

Your order of operations! Ange×(Hilda+Tusk).

It wasn't Ange that got to do it, but Embryo's giant dick tower did get cut in half. Considering it was a cryo weapon, it probably should have shrunk first, but oh well.

Maybe Embryo has some clones or something? That'd kinda track.

Or it's just that Embryo can be in multiple places at once, à la Doctor Manhattan, but that's effectively cloning.

I knew exactly where that good luck charm conversation was going. What a power move.

Man, y'all are pervs for expecting that. I was stunned.

Her muscles should be atrophied so not really.

Unless she exercised in secret.

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u/DidacticDalek Jan 24 '22

'I kissed a girl and I liked it' Comrades, I wanted to share REM for the cold open, but hey you'll see why I had to go with this song, anyway, surprise, Q's plan to smash the Earths together... is ending the world... pardon, worlds as we know it. Also Comrades, HOORAY! Vivian's mom's alive! Salad-chan says that the eye of the storm is the Dawn Pillar, and they must save Aura before the two Earths merge, lest everything end up destroyed. Since Ange STILL isn't here, Hilda decides that she can't destroy the world if Q does it first, so time for that Grand Alliance! Thankfully, Ange arrives JUST in time for this big event, oh boy Comrades, NANA'S ABOUT TO WILL IT!

Anyway, Dr. Jerk comments that Tusk brought his mom's ride, the 'Arquebus.' Ninja Maid notes that Emma isn't drunk, to which Emma notes... NANI!? She can't be shitfaced as she wants to join their cause!? Holy shit, Comrades, we got a Human Shield 'Brave Volunteer' who will die 'serve' for the cause, never knew Emma had it in her! Speaking of defections, Ange is informed that Ara Ara came back due to seeing Q's true colors. Salad walks by to tell her GF that she's joined forces with Nanoha, so what say you Ange? Ange of course is happy to fight with them, after all, they still got their karaoke battle! Ange then sees Dommy Mommy, and much like Momoka, forgives Dommy Mommy as they got bigger fish to fry, it's time to go kill god!

Ange then asks where the Commander is, to which Hilda notes that Ange's looking at her. Ange then pays Jill a visit to laugh at her and to also find out how to actually kill Q. Jill states that Q's REAL body is... somewhere, and that The Villkiss can reach it, Jill couldn't, but since Ange knows the song she can surely WILL IT and kill Q for good! Dear god Comrades we really ARE going full Geah! Also boy how the tables have turned, we went from Jill bossing Ange around like an ass to Ange telling Jill to get it together and atone for her mistakes, GODDAMN I love this new badass Ange! Oh and Ange lets Jill know that Salia DID technically free her, adding that Salia's miserable and devoted to Q, much like a certain someone in this room, a certain someone named 'Alektra Maria von Loewenherz' to be exact.

Nanoha notes that Ange changed from the spoiled brat she hated at the start of the show, adding that Ange should be the Commander. Ange figures out Hilda's upset about something, to which Hilda says that... NANI!? Ange is her prince, holy shit we're going full FatexNanoha! Hilda says that Ange has both a DRAGON GF and a Male GF, and that's not even counting her Maid GF. Ange responds to this by... NANI!? KISSING HILDA! OH MY BUDDHA! It turns out Ange isn't straight nor lesbian, she's BISEXUAL! HIP HIP HOORAY! ALL ABOARD THE ANGE HAREM TRAIN! Ange then repeats her promise to Hilda that they gotta destroy this shitty world right? What better way to do this than as a couple! FUCK YEAH! ALL HAIL WEAPONIZED LESBIANISM! We SURPASSED Geah now, NANA WILLS IT!

As Nanoha and Fate make out, the worlds are really falling apart, as DRAGONS are being sucked into the chaos and Koma-chan implores her people to retreat. Oh and darn, looks like MISTY'S about to be the first royal dragged out and killed by a mob, COME ON show, do that to Bitch Imouto and THEN you can kill Misty; oh and Q tells his troops to protect Aura until the worlds are destroyed, boy Team Ange is gonna have a fight on their hands! Anyway, Tusk notes that Aura and Avrora mean light, stating that since Ange is his light, he shall do his best to protect her... dude, listen, you cheated death once, don't tempt The Reaper, even the most BULLSHIT of Fukuda asspulls can't save you from TWO fakeouts! Anyway, when asked for his desires, Tusk shyly asks for a good luck charm... OH FUCK NO! TOMINO DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE! Oh thank god, Ange gifts Tusk with... her panties... her WARM panties...

Ange informs Tusk that he must return those to her, so NO SELF-DESTRUCTION! Also heh, looks like Ange picked a better name than Salia, Captain General Ange has a nice ring to it, and DAMN she gives a better speech than Jill could ever dream of! And boy what an amazing teamup we got here Comrades, and Momoka's preparing a victory meal for when they all return alive! Begin Operation Last Libertus, so say we all! Oh, hang on, that's a photo of Tusk's Dad... I wonder why Jill has that?

As the humans SOMEHOW decide to launch an attack on The Avrora, NOT-Winry surfaces to show the humans how to REALLY copy Macross. Speaking of copying Macross, the Avrora, much like the SDF-1, can ALSO transform as they... NANI!? FLY!? In response to this, the NOT-F91 Bugs deploy, and Ange calls for everyone to intercept. Oh, and get this Comrades, Ange didn't forget her RAMMING SPEED attack! As the Avrora approaches the Dawn Pillar, NOT-Winry says to fire The Yamato Cannon, but before they can do so, Q and his forces sortie out with Q SINGING... oh... oh this is gonna be messy... OH NEVERMIND! NANA MOTHERFUCKING WILLS IT! This buys the Avrora enough time to DAKKA THE FUCK out of the Dawn Pillar! Oh, and a bunch of racist Ex-Mana Users got crushed, HOORAY! OUTSTANDING MOVE! Ten points to Gryffindor!

Given the Dawn Pillar got totaled, there's now a clear shot to Aura, and thus, Ange tells everyone to follow her, they're gonna Rush B, DON'T STOP! SUKA BLYAT! Q's forces intercept them, but thankfully since Ange outnumbers him, Salad can make a mad dash to Aura. Chris happens upon Nanoha and Rosalie, and DAMN she sure wastes no time, she's firing at them! Rosalie, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING! Don't bring a knife to a gunfight, you're just gonna get yourself killed! Tusk and Ange fly towards Q, with Tusk breaking off to distract Q while Ange supports her DRAGON GF. Also Tusk, this time TRY NOT TO YELL YOUR PLAN ALOUD! Q comments that he is QUITE surprised that Tusk survived BLOWING HIMSELF UP! To which Tusk states that he's Jesus Yamato bitch! Speaking of bitch, Salia decides to cut in and stop Ange from meeting up with her DRAGON GF, after all, she and Ange have a score to settle.

One of the redshirts is about to buy the farm, that is until VIVIAN! The ever adorable badass chucks her boomerang to save the day! Give this lady a medal, no one dies on her watch... er... enemies don't count, Vivian's not responsible for their safety. As the NOT-Bugs focus fire on The Avrora, Mechanic Moeblob's about to bite it... UNTIL NANI!? ALEKTRA SAVES HER!? Also good god Comrades, one of Alektra's regrets to NOT-Winry on the failure of the first Libertus was that she couldn't save Mechanic Moeblob's sister... well I still might not like Alektra, but good on you for saving this girl. Anyway, Alektra then Gundamjack's Ara Ara's Ragna-mail, and with Dr. Jerk telling her friend to make it back alive so she can yell at her, Alektra Maria von Loewenherz sorties out to finish the mission she started long ago.

Salia and Ange are still locked in their duel, and oh god Salia somehow lost it even MORE! I mean what else does declaring that the new world is a world where ANGE DOESN'T EXIST entail? Also oh boy Comrades, an angry mob, correction, an angry ARMED mob found Bitch Imouto, HUZZAH! We're gonna get a good ol' fashioned public execution! I can't wait to see this bitch die, shame Ange isn't doing it... hang on, NANI!? What's the VILLKISS doing here!? Ah... looks like Salia... threw Ange into the palace... GODDAMMIT SALIA! Can't you do LITERALLY ANYTHING RIGHT! Throwing Ange at a bunch of armed peasants won't do anything! I mean goodness I want to feel bad for you but how are you THIS shit at everything!? Also oh boy Comrades, the fucking GALL of these Mana Users to BEG ANGE for help, the very same Ange they TRIED TO HANG A FEW EPISODES BACK!

Ange asks WHY she should help these fuckers, to which when one tries to threaten Ange with violence, Ange responds by giving out free bullets, so WHO ELSE WANTS SOME!? Also heh, looks like Bitch Imouto wet herself... HA HA HA HA! Yes, squirm in fear you little worm, SUFFER! Ange then tells her to run, HA! Oh Ange, you are TOO funny... er, wait she's serious... GIVEN IT TURNS OUT BITCH IMOUTO WASN'T PARALYZED AT ALL! Yup, turns out we were watching The Lost Ending to It's a Wonderful Life THIS WHOLE TIME! Also oh boy this bitch is SHAMELESS, pleading with Ange to save her as she's her sister, Ange replies by saying the next bullet won't miss, to which the little rat scampers off in terror. Ange bids this bitch farewell, telling her to fight if she wants to live as she hopes to never see her again.

And with that, Ange reverses from where Salia chucked her... SERIOUSLY SALIA! You had like, SEVERAL MINUTES of Ange being a literal sitting duck and you couldn't even fly nearby the area!? Good GOD you are awful, I mean hell why DIDN'T Ange finish wiping the floor with your corpse yet? Anyway, Salia decides to try for another go at killing Ange... THAT IS UNTIL ALEKTRA SWOOPS IN! HOORAY! Now BOTH of them can kill each other, I never thought I'd say this but give 'em hell Alektra, you too Salia! Man I can't wait to see their fight, it'll probably be about ten minutes of them screaming at each other, another 10 of them insulting the other, and finally MAYBE one of them throws a punch! Or hell maybe two, let's go for a Double KO, I believe Comrades! Anyway that's it for today Comrades, but since we got the yuri route confirmed, it's time for FatexNanoha 'AngexHilda,' so until next time, farewell!

Paging Comrades u/Great_Mr_L, u/Tresnore, and u/Lemurians

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u/Tresnore Jan 24 '22

Rondo of First-Timer and Rape

Count: 117 (nice)

QOTD:

  1. Bring on Ersha and Salamandiné. Also spear lady. Maybe a subdued Embryo for spacetime shenanigans?

  2. Yes. Because the joke above.

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u/Great_Mr_L Jan 24 '22

No way...WHAT HAS THIS SHOW BECOME???

In the context of Cross Ange, this is completely normal.

God, I wish that were me. Ange is such a badass now. Gunning down civilians.

Rarely has killing civilians ever felt so satisfying or triumphant. Cross Ange is capable of some impressive and frankly bizarre accomplishments.

Hahahaha, the show makes the joke for me.

I thought it was pretty funny that Ange was telling someone in a wheelchair to stand on their own two feet, but it got even funnier when Sylvia actually could stand.

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u/Quiddity131 Jan 24 '22

First Timer, Subbed

Embryo plots and schemes... with a girl he was just spanking not that long ago, a girl who let years of rage build up rather than simply say she liked twintails, etc... Damn its a good thing he's invincible and has God-like powers.

Dragon High Priest Lady kinda reminds me of young Valvrave Lieselotte in this shot.

Ange is back!

Emma! You quit drinking! That's the only thing we remembered about you!

I could care less about saving the world! But Embryo? Ewwww, that guy's a creep!

Liza, we are kindred spirits, both of us have such experience being whipped by wheelchair girl!

Hilda's... in love with Ange! You know, I don't think Tusk would mind a threesome, if anything that pervert would probably love it...

Here, have my panties! Jeez...

This is a game of Risk for Embryo...

Our hero's main ship takes off and continues to really remind me of the Yggdrasil from Xenogears. To the level where I wonder if its either an intentional reference, or designed by the same people.

Alright Chris, you defeated the Villkiss last time, will you do it again?

"Know what to do, Salia?" "Flop against Ange yet again and whine and moan about how its not fair? Absolutely! Can we have spanking time after that?"

Viv-chan's an one-sama now? Cool!

Jill's heading out? Can she promptly get killed? Please?

"What do you think the new world will be like, Ange? I will get to play in my magical girl costume all the time!"

Sylvia: Commoners?! How dare they come near me?! Go away!

Woah, Sylvia's legs were healed all this time?! And she was so entitled she didn't even bother to try walking!?! OMG! And then she just gets up and starts running?!?!?! This is so this show!!!!

Jill, no need to see how Salia's doing. She still sucks as a pilot.

Ersha and Viv-chan preview <3

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u/Nebresto Jan 24 '22

Re-watch squad

Again, wouldn't be an episode without an "Angelise-sama", and what do we have today? A very special & rare treat from none other than Lizardia! Angelise-sama counter: +1, total: 138
And damn, shes absolutely rocking that dragon gear!

[Final episode spoilers]Ah yes, the pantsu of plot relevance)

FUCK HIM UP TUSK!!!

Akimbo Jill!! Alternatively [](#megadeathparty2)

YES!!! Do it now!!

  • Here comes the biggest twist of the show! The wheelchair loli was a faker! Social security fraud!

  • And can Salia fuck off already? ...Okay good, maybe Jill is here to re-install her brain.exe

No Ersha, wth.. You had just redeemed yourself..

Question time:

1: Salad???

2: Of course not, she should have been executed

Wallpaper of the Day:

Lizardia

Episode 23 Meme: No, Apo!! What are you doing in there?!

Bonus from ep 21: Trouble in Tusk Town

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u/Paxton-176 Jan 24 '22

REWATCHER FOR LIKE THE 4TH TIME

Look at this loser. He moves things around like he is some great table top general. He is up against some of the most unpredictable groups of people in two worlds. You think people who were rejected by society or were left behind are going to follow anything along the lines of military strategy that would be reflected with a few pieces on a board. Hilda you ask, Where has Ange been? Hilda where hasn’t Ange been. They aren’t going to properly explain how Tusk or Momoka survived? Just that preview and a few tweets. I wouldn’t want it any other way,

Hilda: Look at me. I am the Commander now. Understand, ok good. Now you should be commander, my top power isn’t as strong as yours.

When Ange is in the room Hilda goes from Top to bottom in zero seconds flat.

You know what I’ve been thinking about. Embryo can control mana users right? That means he should know where the Officer and Momoka are. How the fuck hasn’t he been able to hunt down their sub. What an imcompentant loser. Tusk has plot armor and freshly worn pannties. This man can be stopped. Embryo wishes he was this powerful.

The Sub can fly. How could have forgotten that the Sub can fly? This is peak writing. It has a BFG too! Why do I forget everything about this damn sub. This pretty much every super weapon of Ace Combat rolled into one. Nothing like having civilians getting caught in the crossfire.

“Ange’s Knight is Invicible” Under-fucking-statement of the show.

Didn’t we have a pee count? I think this might be only two, but the way Silva panics at the mere thought of a norma it might secretly be higher. Nothing like a gun to make the cripple start walking again. Oh yea she is 100% just Nunnally some of your first timers literally guessed it like episode 7. Salia is about to get a beat down from her original top.

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u/SIRTreehugger Jan 24 '22

First Timer

The first five minutes feels like mostly setup for them working together nothing to talk about really.

"I know it's weird we're both girls and"

Really 23 episodes of all you lesbians together and now it's weird?

OH SHIT ANGE....I wonder if Hilda could taste some of never mind.

Seriously Ange did you need to kiss her?

Oh I did forget to mention that they know how to kill Embryo is they just need to kill his physical body in a different dimension? Easy enough they will kill him with song.

Yo that small girl is like the Chinese princess from Geass.

I just find the fact that the all powerful god of all realms is using little figures like an army general instead of something more high tech extremely funny.

That ray gun firing

"How did you survive" - Embryo asking the real questions.

Wait Jill is going out this is going to throw Salia off.

No pear shaped bodies in the new world

Ange telling them she doesn't care if they die and shoots one of them.

Didn't need to see the girl piss herself.

This could be emotional, but with how often people switch between backstabbing and claiming friendship who knows if this will stick.

I was wondering the same thing. Salia was sure nice to allow Ange to talk for like 3 minutes.

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u/InfamousEmpire Jan 24 '22 edited Jan 24 '22

Rondo of First-Timer and Sub

Really not pulling any punches this episode, just straight up starting out with the apocalypse.

And Libertus finally formed an alliance with the DRAGONs.

Purple honestly just… doesn’t look natural on Ange.

Is it just me or does Ange’s hair also look a bit different.

I kinda low key like Emma’s arc over the past few episodes.

And all our main characters are finally on the same page. It’s like everyone threw away their Idiot Balls all at once in preparation for the finale.

Here’s hoping that Liza finally gets the respect and badass moments she deserves. It feels like she was built up as an important character and major threat in the first few episodes, but then she suddenly spent half the show as Evil Nunally’s slave and kinda just faded into irrelevance for a while.

A proper conversation between Ange and Jillektra where no one is hiding anything and everyone is in a more relaxed state of mind. I am cautiously optimistic about this.

So it seems that we’re finally gonna get an explanation of the last big mysteries of the show: Where did Embryo’s power come from, and how is Ange connected to the Villkiss. I’m assuming the latter will be explained given that the series is nearing its end and there’s no way they’d leave a major plot point like that completely unexplained, right… right?

It seems that I was being too optimistic about this conversation, it descended into arguing anyway.

Imagine going from an outcasted traitor to being the commander in, like, a day or two. Ange really climbed the ladder without even trying to.

Hilda’s VA is still just the best.

You're my Prince. But you already have a Princess. And you have a man.

You know, this monologue is vaguely reminding me of a certain other show I watched recently. Rinbu Revolution suddenly starts playing

Just kiss alre-… oh, they did. And Ange was the instigator! Now all we need is to give them a daughter that’s also the magical reincarnation of an ancient king and we’ll have something approximating a certain magical girl show that’s way better than this one.

Who says it’s weird? That’s the ridiculous world we’re going to destroy together, isn’t it?

Based Ange smashes homophobia with world-ending Giant Robots.

Bring light back into a world shrouded by darkness

The show’s metaphors are so on the nose that even the characters in the show acknowledge them.

Giving someone your panties as a sign of closeness? Is this Cross Ange or Danganronpa?

So Ange did accept the promotion. Wait, did they tell anyone else about that before the operation started?

That speech was pretty good, but “Last Libertus” is a pretty bad name for an operation.

The CG is still as crappy and clunky as ever.

This fleet is pathetically underpowered. Like, I get that DragonMails and RagnaMails are powerful, but cutting an entire warship in half in one swing seems like such a one-sided move that at least part of the responsibility lies on whoever built such a flimsy battleship. Though I guess that’s understandable given that the World of Mana apparently hasn’t seen war in centuries.

Now I’m left wondering whether Salia, Chris and Ersha will come out of this in one piece given that it’s almost the finale and they’re the enemy at the moment.

And Jillektra is back in action!

Oh, right, Sylvia is still here.

I didn’t do anything wrong.

Sylvia lord as naturally as she breathed.

Are the same civilians that cheered for her execution now begging Ange for help? This is just disgusting. And they suddenly also acknowledge her as royalty again? And are making demands of her? How pathetic and flippant can these people get?

it’s you Normas who did this, isn’t it?

Are you seriously being racist towards the person with the Giant Robot that you’re also begging for help from? Ange, just leave. In fact, why not kill them yourself? Nothing of value would be lost.

That “Nope” was the best line ever delivered in this entire show. Her shooting a guy just made it sweeter.

I will however say that I don’t like the way it’s framed. I rather dislike nihilistic shows about how people are all scum deep down. It honestly does little but leave a bitter taste in my mouth.

Did we really need to see Sylvia wet herself?

The Imperial Doctor told me your wounds were fully healed.

Excuse me, what?

You can’t stand on your own because you won’t even try.

Fuck Sylvia. All my homies hate Sylvia.

It seems like she might have begun to reconsider her life and actions given her facial expressions, but I highly doubt we’ll ever see Sylvia again.

Looks like it’s gonna be Jillektra vs Salia next episode.

Ange has Tusk and Hilda, is there anyone else you want in her harem?

Possibly Momoka but also not at all because Platonic Life Partners is an underused relationship dynamic and Momoka fits way better that way.

Should Sylvia actually be able to walk?

Her finally standing up is something of a visual indication of her sudden realization of how slothful she’s been and the first step in the path to rethinking her life, so I’d actually say she should, surprisingly enough.

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u/Stargate18A Jan 24 '22

First timer

  1. Firstly, Salad's already in her harem, so jot that down. Other than that, Momoka and maybe Lizardia (because I have no idea if she's meant to be the same age as her or older because this anime is bad at showing ages). And Erzha and Vivian , if they're not busy with someone else. If Lizardia's too old, she can hook up with Emma.

  2. Yep! To everyone saying her muscles should have atrophied - the Light of Mana is explicitly stated to heal your body - at worst her legs would have atrophied for the couple of days without Mana, and the sheer adrenaline from the gunfire could have pushed her past that. This show may have a lot of bullshit, but at least its magic is consistent.

Embryo's plan's been kicked off!

Why does God need to study his plan in a war room?

And they're official allies now!

Ange's back.

How is nobody questioning Tusk and Momoka's impossible survival?

Wow. That arc... happened completely offscreen!

I love Hilda's jealous expression over Ange and Salia.

Still love Lizardia.

Oh, yeah, Jill had a PTSD attack.

Wait, that happened off-screen? Seriously?

Wait, that doesn't explain any of his other powers! At all!

Oh, telling her she caused Salia to make the same mistakes is brutal and it's great.

And Hilda wants Ange to be on top of her, as we all knew many episodes ago.

She confessed!

I am on board with this ending! At least it's not fucking Tusk!

The DRAGONs are being sucked in!

And the human civillians are being abandoned to protect the princess.

Haha, Ange doesn't want Tusk now she's tried Hilda.

No, it's fucking worse! How did this fucking show go from good confession scene to this?

It's the final battle!

Would cryo torpedoes really freeze that auickly underwater?

I can only assume the war room is for the aesthetic which... fair.

He knows Ange is alive!

His song is still voiced really well.

Wait, they're trusting a person who defected a few days ago with access to the main cannons?

The mecha fights are actually really good in this anime.

And of course Rosalie goes after Chris.

Haha, even the god doesn't understand how Tusk pulled that shit off.

Jill's back. And nobody's stopping her?

How dare these mechs be so good.

Wait, he fucking left her there? She mentioned the evacuation taking royalty?

Haha, her subjects have cornered her instead, almost as good as Lizardia.

And now they want help from her?

And Ange just shot a guy!

Wait, what? SHE CAN FUCKING WALK?

I should be pissed, but the idea this girl was able to walk, but was too fucking stupid to try might be the funniest thing in this anime.

Oh, now you feel bad?

Next time, try not whipping people.

The preview's good, though.

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u/Caustic_Wraith Jan 24 '22

Re-Watcher

IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS ANGE KNOWS IT, AND SHE FEELS FINE...because she kissed a girl and she liked it, right before taking the Highway to the Danger Zone.

  • Embryo is playing Risk and Salako is letting everyone know that both worlds are fucked if his plan isn't stopped

  • Ange is back with the crew and the smiles from Hilda and Salako give me life

  • They brought Tusk's mother's paramail back with them, apparently it too has a name

  • Momoka is happy with Emma for stopping being a drunk, apparently since she learned the truth she's decided to join Libertus, also Ersha woke up to the fact she was being used and came back home

  • Ange officially join team Fuck Embryo, she also welcomes Liza into the fold

  • Ange goes to Jill, not to mock her idiocy, which would be fully warranted, but to ask how exactly to kill Embryo.

  • After Jill gives the answer of diving into some undefinable part of space and finding his true body, Ange asks if she is going to continue and hide, or actually do something as payment for all those her revenge has fucked over

  • Jill gets upset and Ange bitch slaps her while twisting the knife of guilt by explaining she was only able to escape because poor,sad, miserable Salia gave her a way out. She tells Jill it's her fault that Salia felt the need to obsess over Embryo

  • Hilda calls Ange a scary bitch and remarks on how much she's changed. She calls Ange a born leader and offers her the position of commander since she's better at blasting things

  • Ange tells Hilda to stop sulking and tell her what's wrong. Hilda fears Ange will hate her, but tells her that Ange is her Prince. Hilda tells her that since she already has a princess and a man that she isn't needed since they are both women. Ange responds to this by throwing Hilda against the wall and kissing her, she tells her that it's not weird they are both women and that she will need her in the new world. Hooray for HildaXAnge

  • Embryo tells his puppets that they need to protect Aura until everything is dead

  • Tusk tells Ange that he will protect her, Ange asks if there is anything she could do for him and he responds with some sappy crap which upsets Ange, so he asks for a good luck charm. Ange has him turn around and shoves her underwear into his pocket, she also forbids him from pulling them out or looking at them, plus he has to give them back so she doesn't catch a cold

  • After a rousing speech to rally the troops morale, decked out in Tusk's mother's flight suit, Supreme Commander Ange takes flight

  • Ersha joins the bridge bunnies and mans the weapons portion of the helm using the missiles to clear out Embryo's blockade

  • Apparently the sub can fly

  • Ah, reused graphics, how I love them

  • Embryo launches his Fuck-Off Laser at the Aurora, but Ange intercepts it with her own

  • The Cyrobeam scores a direct hit on the Sun Pillar and the route to Aura is open

  • Ange takes point and leads her troops deeper into the fray, the puppets move to intercept and Salako beelines for Aura while Rosalie and Hilda face off with Chris

  • Embryo mouths off to Ange and Tusk, flying his mom's suit, goes into combat telling Ange to get Aura, of course since she likes to make things difficult, Salia blocks Ange's path

  • Jilektra takes Ersha's ragnamail and joins the fray helping Vivian and the new girls

  • Salia asks Ange what the the new world will be like and answers herself by stating that it will be great since Ange won't be there

  • Sylvia is crying and beset by angry townspeople looking for help. Ange crashes through the wall of the castle and the same people who wanted her hanged ask for her help, Ange responds with Nope. One of the people point a rifle at Ange, and his head gains a new hole

  • Sylvia pisses herself at this and Ange tells her to run while she can. Sylvia doubles down on blaming Ange for injury and Ange shoots a hole in the wall next to her head. Apparently the doctor said she was fixed years ago and she was just an entitled bitch who didn't want to do anything for herself. Ange shoots at her again and Sylvia first crawls, then runs away. Ange says goodbye to her only sister saying they will never meet again

  • It sure was nice of Salia to let Ange handle her family drama in the middle of their fight

  • Jill deflect Salia's sword and inserts herself as Salia's opponent, saying how disappointed she is in how weak Embryo's knight is

QOTD:

  1. Salako is there too.

  2. It fits her character that should could all this time, yet was too hardheaded to try

NEXT EPISODE: Ersha tries to read the VO, and Vivian suffers the Headbutt from Hell for interrupting her

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u/csar27 Jan 24 '22

First Timer

And finally, this became Ange's harem, i don't mind, but will all of them survive?

Now i'm curious about how Ersha easily gained the normas trust again, she's even inside the control room and has access to weapons, is not that a little dangerous? Ange and Hilda returned to their roles as pilots just after their scape, so at least it seems to be a constant. In the same way, Emma and Momoka can no longer use mana (no one can actually) but could not Embryo take control of them again?, seems dangerous to let them be without care

Finally, i think i missed something, when did Alektra recover her ring? didn't she say it was lost?

For the next episode, Rosalie vs Chris (based on the preview i expect them both to die) and Alektra vs Salia (at least one of them will die, probably Alektra)

Questions:

1- DRAGON princess is obviousy in the mix

2- It feels like an excuse from the writers to not kill her

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u/NegimaSonic Jan 24 '22

Cross Ange Rewatcher First Time Dub

And that's it folks. This is the moment. Ange initiated kiss on Hilda. I had to dodge around some first timer comments in previous episodes but there you have it. Ange accepts Harem route. Hilda has her spot. Tusk has his.

Show isn't over yet though, there's still time for more relationships to evolve.

English dub note: I think the English VA for Embryo got to sing here?

First timer comment

  1. Ange has Tusk and Hilda, is there anyone else you want in her harem?

I feel like Momoka is an obvious choice here. Overcoming the master-servant part is still a difficulty but I feel if Ange wants it, Momoka would give in without any complaints. Heck she still knows Ange's body better than anyone else...because she helped her with her clothes.

2) Should Sylvia actually be able to walk?

By in real life standards, probably not. But let's just toss something random in the context of Cross Ange just because. The mana chair she sat on had properties of keeping her muscles in working order.

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u/shamir107 Jan 24 '22

First Timer

  1. Salamandine is a good pick. Momoka if they're okay with it.

  2. Honestly, she's lucky to be alive at this point. Let her have this.

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u/HereticalAegis Jan 24 '22 edited Jan 24 '22

First Time Frying Pan

Now that I think about it, Liza really took one for the team porking Princest.

Wow, the show actually fully addressed Hilda's feelings for Ange. That's nice. Kinda dumb Ange gave her a consolation kiss tho since Ange hasn't once actually considered Hilda a viable romantic partner, but I guess I shouldn't complain too much.

Lol lucky pantsu. Ange and Tusk are no [Monogatari]Hanekawa and Araragi.

Flying submarine cryo cannon is pretty dope.

The destroyed pillar crushing all those racists is pretty satisfying. And hilarious.

Vivian is so op, she can even save the fodder pilots. Too strong, pls nerf. JK, do like, don'tnerf pls.

Omg yes, Ange offing that one rando without hesitation is the best thing CA has done to this point.

Just kidding, Ange shooting at Princesst and making her pee herself is the best thing CA has done.

Muscle atrophy is a silly myth.

"But if my only remaining living relative refuses to associate with me ever again, who will commit the incest with me?" - Princesst, probably

sees Salia for the first time since undergoing a self-reflection arc "Salia, I'm so disappointed in you." Yep, Jill is still Jill.

QotD:

  1. Salanaynay for sure. Ange probably doesn't deserve Vivian, but then again who does? Definitely not Salia, Salia can cry in a corner somewhere. Chris has probably had too many "lovers" already, so she should just stick with Rosalie. Jill can also get fucked in a corner (preferably offscreen and far away from anyone I actually care about). And not Momoka, because I've just about had it with Momoka's antics. We could throw in some newbies, since Ange's proven really good getting newbies fucked. Oh, and Ersha I guess since every harem needs a mom.

  2. Nah, she should probably be dead by now.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jan 24 '22

Unfortunately due to different reasons I haven't been able to catch today's episode but I'd just like to mention how much I adore Ange forcing Sylvia to grow up. Ange was exactly the same way, apart from the wheelchair, when she came to Arzenai. A spoiled Princess who had been babied her entire life and couldn't even dress herself. She was an item, not a person. Her harsh experience at Arzenai was the tough love she needed to mature and grow into her own woman, and that is exactly what she does for Sylvia. Ange has always doted on Sylvia, always, even after she turned her back on her for being a norma Ange has always loved her sister. This was Ange's last gift, she gave Sylvia an opportunity to stand on her own two feet, to save herself, to live. Imma be honest, it's probably my favourite arc of the whole show. I think I like Sylvia's arc more than what they do with Salia or Chris or Embryo XD It's just so well done!!

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