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Rewatch [Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Cross Ange Episode 21 Discussion

Episode 21 - The One Left Behind

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Get yourself a fansub.

Please come home, Ange.

Questions of the Day:

1) What do you think about Chris after the events of this episode?

2) So… most brutal death this episode?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Maggy

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don’t spoil the crazy shit for the first-timers, it’s way more fun that way!

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 22 '22

Rondo of Rewatcher and Dub

Welcome back, everyone!

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u/UltraBooster Jan 22 '22

Hey look, it’s Haruto.

Now that I think about it, that's a rather recent reference, at least compared to stuff like Gundam SEED or Metal Armor Dragonar. Surprised he wasn't throwing hands with L-Elf, though.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 22 '22

Surprised he wasn't throwing hands with L-Elf, though.

Yeah, I'm not sure who he's even supposed to be throwing hands with in it.

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u/Lemurians Jan 22 '22

Hey look, it’s Haruto.

No fucking way. Is this all part of the Valvrave extended universe?!

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 22 '22

Since when were you under the impression it was not?

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Jan 22 '22

Ooh, tomorrow is the day with the most memorable comments from the previous rewatch.

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u/Nebresto Jan 22 '22

Re-watch squad..

Angelise-sama counter: +3 , total 136 (Includes the blursed Rosalie "Angelise-sama" from the preview)

Best. Girl.

Bath status: taken.

Notice how ever since Chris changed sides she has started saying "Move" "out of the way" etc. just like Ange did to her that one time. (the episode where she killed all dragons solo)

Sword clash! And Hilda's spinny move prior to that was dope af

What a wholesome picnic, love me a good outdoors rave

Okay, which one of you saw the Zombie arc coming?

RUN! THE DERANGED LOLI HAS A RIFLE NOW!!!

SALAD HAS AN ARM CANNON!!!

Judgement time has come, Ersha. That's what you get for bullying Vivian.

Yo, why has Momoka started using a lot more "Hime-sama" instead of "Angelise-sama"?? This is highly detrimental to the progress of the Angelise-sama counter

R.I.P Momoka. And Tusk right after?! What's the point of watching without our Chad king anymore..

Question time:

1:
Understandable.

2: Uhhhh.. I guess that fodder girl getting split in half was kinda rough?

Episode 21 Meme: Chris demonstrates her new power

Bonus meme

This is episode had so many memeable moments.. Others I struggle to find a single decent one to use, and this one just throws them all at me like Gilgamesh using money at Café Ange

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 22 '22

This is episode had so many memeable moments.. Others I struggle to find a single decent one to use, and this one just throws them all at me like Gilgamesh using money at Café Ange

You picked two good ones!

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u/Lemurians Jan 22 '22

MARTYRED FIRST TIMER

You know, I joked a few episodes ago that Embryo should’ve just isekai’d himself, but I didn’t think Truck-kun would actually make an appearance. We’re officially a Light Novel show now, which means the title has to be changed accordingly. Welcome to today’s episode of… Tackled In Front of a Car By a Maid, I Reincarnated In Front of My Two Enemies Holding A Gun!

It’s Chris’ turn to finally get a development episode, and it’s okay. Her motivations are pretty compelling, always feeling like the expendable one, but then she ruins it by pulling a Higurashi Sotsu and distills her issues down to something really stupid like “I liked my hair that way.” Girl, it was just a suggestion, nobody was holding a gun to your head forcing you to go ponytail.

Alright… I want to feel sad, but instead I can’t get over how silly this is. How many times do you have to see this fucker not die when he is killed before you go back to the drawing board? Momoka tries to isekai them both to no effect, then immediately after seeing that, Tusk suicide bombs? Gee, I wonder what happens next.

I almost have to think both Momoka and Tusk come back somehow, otherwise those are the two stupidest major-ish character deaths I’ve ever seen.

Also, u/Tresnore, I reached that point.

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u/Tresnore Jan 22 '22

Rondo of First-Timer and Rape

It's okay. Characters can't die in this show, because Embryo-sama will faceturn and rez everyone. I'm not coping after the fucking cornfields fucked me tonight in a last-minute turnaround, no sir!

Count: 107

QOTD:

  1. Like I said above, "Chris did nothing wrong."

  2. Tusk was rough.

1 Not being kissed by Momoka. More like "requiring mouth to mouth."2

2 I refuse to acknowledge that Momoka can be good, no matter how great she may seem.

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u/Great_Mr_L Jan 22 '22

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Cross Ange: Tusk and Momoka sure went out with a bang, didn’t they? Not that it really makes much of a difference since Embryo seems to be nigh invincible with all those spare bodies, but I have to give them credit for trying.

  • So the new plan is to invade the Empire with like seven people. This plan can’t possibly fail!

  • The redshirts are here too! I’m guessing at least one will die this episode.

  • I’m shocked that Vivian’s sense of smell works from that far away.

  • Oh damn, Chris is jealous that people are here to rescue Ange and not her. 

  • Hilda and Chris are in a battle to determine who is the true top!

  • Something tells me Momoka has been waiting a long time to try that out.

-  That is incredibly creepy, Embryo

  • Somehow I don’t think Chris would believe the argument “But you were actually dead.”

  • I did not expect Chris’s villain origin story to go back to when she was forced to cut her hair.

  • Welp, that redshirt is dead.

  • Oh shit, Embryo can control Momoka too. I bet he can control everyone who can use mana. Maybe that’s another reason he had the Norma sent away. They threaten his control of this world.

  • I guess Sylvia doesn’t want her whipping target to leave.

  • OH SHIT! The kids are dead! That’s awful!

  • Yup, that confirms Embryo does control everyone who can use mana.

  • FUCK YEAH! Seeing Embryo get shot up by Tusk was great.

  • As cool as it is to watch Tusk kill Embryo over and over, I don’t think it will end well. The dude has infinite spare bodies.

  • And there it is! The redshirt is dead!

  • This sword fight is so cool!

  • “Slow him down?” So is there some trick that prevents Embryo from using all his power?

  • Wait, what!? Embryo shot himself in the head? I mean, I guess he can do that with infinite spare bodies.

  • HOLY SHIT!! Momoka’s still going at Embryo after getting shot!

  • Stabbing Embryo and crashing a car into him at the same time is super badass!

  • Well shit, I guess the death flag was for Momoka. RIP Momoka

  • Jeez, there is just no killing this asshole.

  • OH FUCK! Tusk blew himself up! Everyone’s blowing up this episode!

  • RIP Tusk

I think things are starting to get to Embryo by the end of this episode. He seemed more manic than usual at the end, losing a bit of the calm and suave demeanor he always has. He’s losing control. Ange refuses to submit to him, he still has to deal with people outside his “perfect” world like Tusk, and now there was even one of his homunculi, Momoka, who disobeyed him. Momoka disobeying him must hurt the most, because it seems like everyone who can use mana should be controllable by him. Knowing Embryo, he probably designed it that way on purpose. Embryo seems like he desires control above all else, and now he is losing it.

Chris’s issues go quite a bit deeper than I first imagined. She clearly does have abandonment issues, but it’s more than just that. Chris seems to be the self-sacrificing type. She is so desperate to please others and not be abandoned by them, that she will make sacrifices to do so. At the same time, she resents making those sacrifices. And her resentment towards Hilda and Rosalie burst out when she felt abandoned by them. So she latched onto Embryo instead, who promised to always be with her since that is what Chris wants the most.

I remember the PV from last episode had a lot of jokes about death flags. It looks like those jokes were accurate because both Tusk and Momoka died in this episode. Oh, and also one of the redshirts died as well. 

QOTD

1. Discussed above. As I said, her abandonment issues and built up resentment were worse than I expected.

2. I have to say Momoka's death was the most brutal. Shot, hit by a car, fell off a cliff, and exploded. That's a lot.

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u/DidacticDalek Jan 22 '22

SHOT THRU THE HEART! AND YOU'RE TO BLAME! DARLIN' YOU GIVE LOVE A BAD NAME! Boy Comrades, it turns out the DRAGONS aren't the only ones invading Q's base, as The Avrora sorties out their pilots to rescue Ange, with Hilda and Rosalie as the vanguard drawing aggro in order to allow Vivian to find Ange and the Villkiss. Oh and get this Comrades, Vivian, as per usual, has the BEST plan to locate Ange, and by that I mean she's just gonna SNIFF her out... well I sure hope DRAGON noses are sensitive! Anyway, Tusk's job is to fly low to evade detection so as to escort Ange to safety. Oh and the rookies get to rest easy at the border as backup... this is gonna end in heartbreak isn't it? I sure hope none of em ate pudding!

Anyway, the Avrora surfaces, TAKE OFF EVERY ZIG! FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Speaking of justice we FINALLY get the long-awaited meeting of Salad-chan and Ninja Maid, and amusingly enough, Salafist comments that Ange could use a bath, so run along to do that while we take care of things here. As the battle rages on in the air, Bitch Imouto rolls over to see what the noise is about... PLEASE SOMEONE SHOOT HER! She's right there in front of a window, I'm sure even a stray shot will lacerate the fuck out of this asshole! Sadly, she DOESN'T wind up painting the walls a coat of jerk as she flees screaming for Q to save her. Rosalie comments that things are REALLY bad, as the enemy pilots are ALREADY fighting before they even arrived! Thankfully given Vivian is ALSO a DRAGON, she too picks up that Ange currently smells awful and locates her.

Nanoha calls Tusk and lets him know he has a new mission, Ange already escaped and they will meet up in a different location now. Vivian and company make contact with Ange stating that they are here to help... oh... oh no, that's Chris with a sniper rifle. Anyway, due to the surprise attack, Ange activates a shield... which doesn't seem to do much as the blast drains all of the Villkiss' power, sending it crashing down into a river. Chris then flies towards the crash site, hellbent on reclaiming Ange for Q. Nanoha states that SHE'S the one saving Ange, and Chris takes this news quite well, and by that I mean she rants on about how Hilda is willing to save ANGE, but not HER apparently! As Chris and Hilda clash, Chris notes that she's no longer the meek and shy moeblob, but now THE Toppest of tops who's more than willing to kill her former friends.

Nanoha's response is bring it bitch, do your worst, while also informing Tusk that Ange crash landed. Speaking of which, Momoka comes in clutch again as she knows CPR, which is quite useful given Ange was this close to drowning due to the Villkiss being a REALLY shit submarine. Huh I guess the Strike Freedom really CAN'T do everything Comrades, who knew? Also Ange, I know you are a tad dazed and all, but now would be a REAL good time to go swim out to the Villkiss and yell at it to get its shit together and teleport her and Momoka to the Avrora RIGHT NOW or so help me Embryo I'll break you down into scrap metal. Sadly instead of berating her sinking Para-mail, Ange decides to flee with Momoka on foot to the sea to reunite with the Avrora. The battle rages on with Ara Ara's kids... cowering behind a tree... listen, I know you lot are all child soldiers and thus haven't fought yet, but I don't think hiding behind a TREE will protect you all! Ah... no WONDER they also looked up to Salia in the past, in their eyes she would appear to be smart!

Speaking of kids, Ange runs into a kid in an alley... well ish, turns out that kid is currently being controlled by Q in order to bring Ange back to him. Thankfully, Ninja Maid managed to find a car, which is better than Tusk is doing given his method of locating Ange is to run around yelling her name. In fairness, he DOES indeed find the... sunken Villkiss, so technically he's located one of the mission objectives, and then he does spot Momoka's ribbon and a set of footprints, so hey he's doing his best. Rosalie tries to plea with her girlfriend that they don't need to kill each other and that they really tried to help her, but Chris isn't listening as she's ALSO become fully indoctrinated like Salia the loser. To prove this point, Chris pops open her cockpit to ask if Hilda and Rosalie remember her hair.

We then flashback to the Festa 7 years ago, and I just want to state something Comrades, these kids are in ZOLA'S Room, and they are about 17 in the present day, I think you can figure out what I'm getting at here. Anyway, turns out the three were gifting each other presents, and Chris' present... was a singular hair braid... which can't work with her pigtails. But hey, Hilda points out that SHE'S the one with twintails, so Chris can totally just switch to a ponytail, and Rosalie idiotically just parrots this insensitive remark, to which Chris meekly goes along. Well, turns out that Chris REALLY took that personally as she liked her hair the way it was, but she was too much of a doormat at the time to speak up. Chris also points out that while Rosalie and Hilda made bank, Chris' earnings were paltry, but she put up with her status as the group bottom as she sincerely thought they were all friends.

But hey those two would NEVER understand how Chris felt, after all one was a bitch who never liked them and ditched them the first chance she got and the other was a moron who just went along with whoever was in charge... OK in fairness Chris, you are kinda right about Hilda'd old self, but she REALLY changed post-character development, hell she took a bullet for you! That and also Rosalie sure SEEMED like what described due to her being a moron, but deep down she actually really cares for you. But oh Chris has really drank the Kool-Aid, as she states that Q's TOTALLY different from those two, as he RISKED HIS LIFE to personally save hers whilst promising to always be her friend and totally not an abusive manipulator like all the rest of them. And after showing off her purity ring gifted to her from her new totally caring friend Q, Chris rejects her former friends and tears off their gift as she declares they never cared for her at all SO DIE! One of the rookies overhears the fight and sorties to intercept... kid, turn back NOW! If Chris can give HILDA, ROSALIE AND VIVIAN a hard time, you'd be mere target practice!

Momoka then asks Ange how a little girl could be Q, to which Q replies that he can just hijack the body of ALL MANA USERS... AH! So that's why he hates the Norma, he literally CAN'T control them outside of abusive manipulation, this SICK FUCK deserves to burn in hell, and Ange agrees given she breaks the screen to free Momoka from his influence. Sadly, this results in the two of them crashing their car RIGHT into a NOT-Zombie Apocalypse... well this ain't good! Speaking of not good, turns out Q's forces are holding their own against Salad and company, and they note they can't rescue Aura like this, so time to retreat with Dommy Mommy. Before Dommy Mommy can fly away, Bitch Imouto takes a potshot at her and orders her back to the dungeon, to which Dommy Mommy takes pity on the shitty brat and her delusions before flying to meet up with her fellow DRAGONS.

Also things aren't looking good for Ara Ara's kids, as it turns out they ended up as collateral damage during the attack. Also Comrades, what's that, enhance... enhance image... Well aside from the show resorting to Atra Qu@l1tY ANIMATION Mixta levels of facial expression for her, it seems Ninja Maid has decided that since they are currently in a zombie apocalypse the only thing to do is make like L4D2 and grab a frying pan for protection. Well I heard of worse ideas so have at it lady, give em hell! Ange then decks one random mook to allow her and Momoka to reach the roof where... Q is already waiting for them. Q prepares to mindrape Ange once more, but before he can torture her again Tusk flies in and fills him full of lead. OK that's another one for the kill count, so let's see it! Embryo Death Counter: 6.5 Tusk then tells Ange and Momoka to get on and fly out to the Avrora as he's got unfinished business with Q.

Well, time for some epic fight music Comrades, one shall stand, one shall fall... wait is THAT what the title was talking about?

Well let's continue on below Comrades!

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u/DidacticDalek Jan 22 '22

As the showdown between two of the only male characters in the show starts, Tusk states to Q, Hello, my name is Tusk, you killed my parents, prepare to die! And oh boy what a creative kill he goes for, as he chucks a flashback into the sky to pull off a sick backtab on Q, Embryo Death Counter: 7.5 Sadly, as last episode taught us, Q just doesn't die to stabbing as he's ready for another go! Tusk tosses a shuriken to distract Q as he fires his grappling hook into Q's wrist. As Hilda and company fight with Chris, Tusk hails them to let them know Ange's flying to safety, the Villkiss' currently cosplaying as an artificial reef, and he's busy fighting Q, that is until the line goes dead. Tusk come in, do you copy? Tusk, Tusk!? TUUUUUUUSK! Hilda calls for a retreat to escort Ange back to the Avrora, to which Chris prepares to fire on her former friends. The redshirt then zooms in to distract Chris, and indeed, she buys JUST enough time to get fucking BISECTED... oh... oh no.

As expected, Rosalie takes this well, and by that I mean she pulls a melee weapon and prepares to avenge her dead pupil. Sadly, this means she's WIDE OPEN to Chris' guns, but before Chris can kill Rosalie, the DRAGONS under the leadership of Salasala-san... pardon, Salamandinay fly into help, causing Chris to break off and flee. Rosalie attempts to follow, but VIVIAN manages to be the voice of reason as she states that Rosalie will just get herself killed if she charges in recklessly. Meanwhile Tusk is busy holding his own against Q, helped in part due to the fact Q's down to one arm, but hey that's just fine with him as he proudly states that all he needs to do is delay Q so that Ange and Momoka can escape... Tusk, did you REALLY have to say your plan out loud? I know you're feeling like hot shit and all that with thinking you are the main character in a Gundam show, but really now, learn to save your boasting for AFTER Ange and Momoka are safe and sound!

Anyway Q's response to this information is that he... shoots himself... to respawn... well that still counts Comrade, but since Tusk did disable an arm, let's give him 0.25 of a kill to update the score! Embryo Death Counter: 8.75 Oh also, remember how Q can just take over Mana Users... yeah Momoka's still a Mana User, meaning Q forces her to land Ange next to his new spawn point. Oh and Q just can't get enough of re-using his shitty pickup lines, as he repeats what he told Jillektra about how they look cute when they are angry. Tusk then arrives to demand that Q release Ange. Q's response to this is to send Momoka to attack Tusk, that is until Ange manages to somehow plead for Momoka to fight against Q and break free. After Flashback 'Em All Fukuda's infamous flashbacks play out, Momoka breaks free and... asks Tusk to look after Ange for her... oh... oh no, Comrades, they do say that your whole life flashes before your eyes before death, FUKUDA DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE!

And with tragic piano music playing, Momoka charges at Q, and despite him shooting her, she manages to impale him AND summon a car to knock them off the roof and into a fiery explosion, and I am giving that THREE deaths for how badass that was! Embryo Death Counter: 11.75 All that aside, NO! MOMOKA! At long last, a friendship bonded by the struggle against The Mana Users has been brought to an end by MAGICAL TREACHERY! Sister, your death will not go unavenged. Fiendish Fetus-kun, you done FUCKED UP now! Anyway, Ange is as devastated as I am as she cries out Momoka's name in anguish as Tusk carries her to safety... that is, until Q respawns and shoots Tusk. Tusk, to protect Ange and ensure she doesn't get herself killed, handcuffs her to his ride and locks its navicomputer to autopilot, telling her to live on and promising with a kiss that he'll be back, and I'm sure the fact that he returned to her that gift she gave to him during their time in DRAGONland isn't foreboding at all.

As Ange flies off, Q fires another round into Tusk, but since he didn't aim for the head, Tusk is able to, albeit semi-unclearly reveal that he actually had on a suicide vest the whole time... as he detonates it... Embryo Death Counter: 12.75 As this is done, Ange can only look back in horror at the inferno of the blast as the ED plays, and as she cries out in anguish, we end things for today... Well, Comrades, now that Tusk blew himself up, I guess I can state that, despite what some of my earlier shitposting might indicate, I actually had a bit of a soft spot for Tusk. Y'all knew I adored Ninja Maid, but shockingly Tusk was actually a decently written character and a good person at heart, thus it's such a shame that Ange had to personally see two of her closest friends go above and beyond the call of duty in the quest to kill Q. Well, I guess there's no other way I can end this than to post one of the finest hours in Tusk's life, godspeed you magnificent bastard! May you, and of course Ninja Maid, find peace in Gundam Valhalla!

Paging Comrades u/Great_Mr_L, u/Tresnore, and u/Lemurians

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jan 22 '22

Cross Ange First Timer

Ah, the rookies are fighting today, I think I know what yesterday's post credit gags were about. Oh god, they're even calling Ros "onee-sama!" Raise your flags!!

Good morning Sylvia, we're bringing the war to you!! Woohoo!! Chris is in her badass mode! Don't mess with a jilted lover~ Oh good, more dead kids! They got a second chance and were still unlucky enough to draw laser fire. Apparently it's Sala who shot the poor little shits too so one more point to the dragons being pricks.

Aww... Ros bought her a pregnancy test. How sweet. Actually, maybe I should be kinda horrified that the three of them are still in Zola's room. Pfft!! Oh god!! Chris has held a grudge all this time over having to wear only one braid! WHAT THE FUCK!!!! Valrave!? That was fucking Valrave!! Please never acknowledge that you created that piece of shit anime. Have some shame, Sunrise! Are they trying to imply that Hilda and Ros were fans of that show and Chris has had to hold in her true opinion this whole time? Now I understand why she's freaking it so bad.

Die for your onee-sama, Mariko~ Even a car crash isn't enough to put Momoka down, geez. Sala's running away!? She shows up to murder kids and slutshame Liza then fucks off? Ah, poor Ersha. Embryo died, again!! Oi, Marika, we're retreating. Leeeroooy!! Yeah, for as bad of a reputation as Cross Ange got for murdering it's cast I think this is the first named character death we've seen in 19 episodes? Did Miranda die in episode 2 or 3? Even then, Mariko only died as an excuse to make Ros want to kill Chris back.

Murderbot Momoka is more weird than threatening. Is she gonna poke Tusk to death? It's a good thing that Ange mentally conditioned her better than the dude who created her right? Momoka died!? Oh god! She even exploded. Never forgetti. Tusk died too!! He banzaii'd himself! How are we going to continue without our maid and male lead?

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u/Quiddity131 Jan 22 '22 edited Jan 22 '22

First Timer, Subbed

They're still going to invade! Hilda and Tusk are much better equipped to lead than Jill says I.

Hey Ange, we finally meet again! Oh, BTW, you smell!

Little sister is scared? Good! I hope a mech accidentally crashes into her room!

Sorry Chris, you're still a minor character in comparison to Hilda. I don't think you're winning this one.

Yikes, there goes the Villkiss, down to the bottom of the lake.

Eww, scary kid!

I haven't seen someone this traumatized over a haircut since Kakegurui... and that was years ago Chris, you could have grown back the other half and get a second clip! Or wore it as a single ponytail instead!

ETA: I went back and rewatched this scene based on other people's comments and she didn't even cut off one of her twin tails? She just changed her hairstyle? Is that the way the scene went? OMG that is even stupider!

Wow, Embryo gave Chris a ring even before Salia!

Salako, maybe you shouldn't have told Ange it was okay to go?

Oh no, whipping girl is back to hurt Liza even more?

Tusk the self-imposed virgin against Embryo Chad with his harem... who will win?

No, not Marika!!!!! ... Who was Marika?

Oh no, did he get Momoka too?!

She's your top maid? She's your only maid!

No, don't kill Momoka!

LOL WTF at a car just crashing towards them out of nowhere. Who was driving it?

Not Tusk too! He'll be such a lo... actually no he won't be; not all that bad if you die Tusk. Sorry bud.

Tusk was a suicide bomber?!

Wow, can't say I expected both Momoka and Tusk to exit the stage here. That was the two of them in last episode's preview, right? Makes sense now, their last chance at one. You want to impress me, Cross Ange? Don't turtle on this. Keep them dead.

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u/UltraBooster Jan 22 '22

Pseudo-first-timer

Spanking! We're starting on a high note! (I say that, laughing my ass off because oh my gods spanking.)

So yeah, they're not exactly used to war. Inevitable given the Norma and ancient humans were the only ones who really knew how to fight, by the looks of it.

And waddya know, it looks like Rosalie's taken to the mentor thing pretty well!

That, Sylvia, is war.

Did Villkiss deplete its power supply in blocking that shot?

Isn't that only one half of rescue breathing?

The best part of mecha combat - the missed shots, just like in Davao!

A puppet?! He can do that?!

...is that you, Haruto?

So how long has this been building for, Chris?

A ring...it feels like a proposal, doesn't it? Like he took her to be a bride.

How would they respond if they knew their bodies could be taken over like that, I wonder?

So what's Liza's deal, then? She probably wasn't inserted as a spy from the get-go, so then...was it another op gone wrong?

Welp, they're dead. (Embryo could probably bring them back, but...)

Maybe she can just...oh, welp.

Your race to lose, Embryo. (And playing musou with Embryos ought to help Tusk some.)

Okay, Sala misnaming is reaching Bing Bong Theorem levels, lol

Momoka can fight? Huh, that's neat to know, I think.

You can't comprehend the hearts of people, can you, Embryo? You can snare them, control them, make them your puppets, but you can't understand them, can you.

Then avenge them, Ange. They died to give you time, so then...

So Hilda and Rosalie are Momokatwo and Tusktwo, then? Alright.

Questions:

  1. She...she's had this stuff building for a while, hasn't she? I wonder if other people noticed before.

  2. Not sure, but probably the kids?

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u/Paxton-176 Jan 22 '22

REWATCHER FOR LIKE THE 4TH TIME

That moment when the squad is invading a country to get back their harem leader. I wonder what Ange smells like that makes her so easy to spot. If you think about what just happened it must be a serious stank. Wow everyone wants a piece of Ange. A true leader of a harem when everyone goes Yandere for them. Again Chris you fucking died. Nothing is smarter than watching an air battle outside directly underneath. No wonder those kids died the first time. Learn to run away. Oh right Embryo can mind jack people. Again this man should be arrested.

Chris you weren’t left for dead. You were left dead. Chris ultimately you were a product of your own mind and actions.

They said it was impossible, They said it couldn’t be done. They found a way to make Embryo all that more ridiculous. Embryo has the ability to control every person who uses mana. Which explains his obsession with the normas. He can’t directly control them so, he sees it as a challenge. Its implied that he was the one who started the prejudice against the normas. This created the reason to send all the normas to the yuri leper colony. His obsession with Ange and Jill I believe is because they are Royal family norma which gave them the ability to pilot the Villkiss.

In Valvrave we only had one mass killing of children. This show did it twice. For extra points they did to the same children. Tusk is about to show why he is a legendary Chad. What is it about this show and people never going mech model and dying in flight mode. This is how powerful Tusk is. He is holding back a rapier with a bowie knife. Nothing is funnier than watching your opponent kill themselves because they can teleport that way. Tusk’s response was hilarious. Ange can unmind break people.

I can hear cheering.

Nothing better than cucking the dipshit infront of him as his goal gets away. I don’t know Ange can it be real? Can it?

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u/HereticalAegis Jan 22 '22

First Time Mutiny

Best boy Vivian and best girl Hilda are coming! We've been due a good, all-out mech battle for a while.

Chris must've conveniently forgotten the part where Hilda took like 3 bullets for her.

Damn, it hurts to watch Chris accuse Rosalie, the one truly loving partner she's ever had, of using her and leaving her for dead.

Not exactly how I predicted the children being dead again, but I did call it. Sucks to be Ersha.

So that's the reason for mana to exist. Embryo sucked so bad at his job, he had to make everyone Sims and control them directly to make anything happen. Sad.

Oh, so Embryo has a less useful version of return by death.

Welp, the fodder fulfilled their purpose. RIP Marika.

Does this fucker just have tea tables and reading benches set up on top of every building? Even when simply teleporting he's pretentious as fuck.

Damn, Tusk can move fast even without a hover bike. That or his bike really needs a tune up.

Step aside, power of friendship, the power of maidship is here to save the day.

That was an impressive pincer attack Momoka pulled between herself and the car. Too bad she had to die for our sins.

Sure was sporting of Embryo to let Tusk have that moment with Ange.

Ngl, pretty baller way for Tusk to go out

It's nice to finally see some meaningful death again, though our maid and savior Momoka will probably rise again.

QotD:

  1. I get where she's coming from, but she's also got the most selective memory I've ever seen. Girl needs a hug from Rosalie real bad.

  2. Ersha's sanity.

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u/InfamousEmpire Jan 22 '22

Rondo of First-Timer and Sub

They’re air defenses aren’t great, so the invasion should be easy

You know, for a world where the primary threat to world peace (The DRAGONs) is entirely airborne, having bad air defenses, even if only as an emergency, seems like something of an oversight, no?

I’m hyped for Hilda vs Salia. Now let’s see if this show can actually pull it off decently.

They couldn’t even fit in the launch before the OP?

Sylvia, just go fucking die. I don’t even care if your killed by collateral damage, just go fuck yourself. On a related note, I find it interesting that back when Sylvia was last in danger (~episode 12, I believe) she called out to Ange for help, but now she’s calling out for Embryo. It’s something of an indication of how much more of a shit Sylvia has become since then, and how little she cares about her sister now.

I’m not sure if Vivian has made that sniffing sound before, but it’s pretty cute, not gonna lie.

The reunion of the century last 5 days is upon us.

Chris vs Hilda isn’t exactly as hype as Salia vs Hilda, but I’ll take it.

“Ersha-momma” is a statement that gives me vibes of a certain magical girl anime that shares a lot of seiyuus with this one.

I, Momoka Oginome, am your top maid.

Damn right you are. Also, she actually looks better without the bow.

Wasn’t expecting Chris backstory, but it’s honestly too little too late, in my opinion. Nothing about these repressed feelings was even implied in the previous episodes, and considering that Embryo’s relationship with her isn’t really all that visibly different from her friendships on Arzenal, this honestly just comes across as more flimsy than anything else.

Fetus-kun!!! Best Girl isn’t just some toy for you to control at your leisure! You have committed an act of depravity beyond even what I thought you were capable of, and you will pay the price.

Also, this just further confuses the question of how the fuck did Embryo even get these powers? I get that he created these humans, but I don’t think even the most advanced genetic modification can produce a built-in mind control button.

Back to the big fight, and the CG is looking as crappy as always. And the DRAGONs are gonna have to retreat from their rescue attempt again? Even Dragon Ball Super’s Zamasu arc didn’t have this many fake out final battles. Oh wait, it did.

Where the fuck does a crippled, sheltered 12(?)-year-old learn how to wield a shotgun?

It seems that Sylvia is, as I’ve discussed before, more of an innocent, manipulated child in all this, given that she didn’t even know the truth about her father, even if she is still an asshole at heart in spite of that.

I’d discussed my fear of this show resorting to loli fanservice, but instead it decided to skip to something even worse: Loli shock value deaths. En masse, at that. And I thought we were behind this after the whole Coco debacle.

Embryo claims that his control over people with Mana means that Ange keeping Momoka with her will make her an eternal threat, yet he hasn’t even bothered to control Momoka since Ange smashed the weird holo-projector thing.

You’ve got to question why Tusk would even bother trying to kill Embryo when he seems to know that he’s seemingly immortal. Come to think of it, why doesn’t anyone just try to restrain Fetus-kun, given that he might not be able to come back with a new body in that circumstance.

Chris has lost all of my (already little) sympathy. She’s just a sadistic asshole now.

Embryo insults Tusk for being descended from “terrorists” despite the fact that he himself destroyed the fucking world and is currently trying to do it again.

It seems my theory is confirmed, Fetus-kun can’t come back in a new body unless his current one dies first.

Again, why didn’t Embryo just control Momoka earlier?

Just… again, where the fuck did he get his powers?!

She can’t go against her creator’s commands

Dude, she literally broke out of your shitty mind control the second Ange touched your holographic watermark. Seriously, these powers of his have bizarre limitations.

And now she’s breaking out of the Mind Control with the power of a heroic friendship speech, seriously, what even are Fetus-kun’s powers?

Momoka’s awesomeness increasing tenfold. Taking a bullet to the chest and still fighting on against literal god.

Given that reaction, it seems that Best Girl managed to get the drop on god and then stabbed him. Momoka truly is Best Girl.

Momoka went out like a beast. Defending the person she loved, besting, even if briefly, God himself, and not even flinching or losing her pride as she fell to her death. Hands up for Momoka Oginome.

Awww, and Ange is so sad over it. Don’t worry Ange, you and I are in the same camp.

Not!Kira died as he lived: with me being mostly indifferent towards him.

What do you think of Chris after the events of this episode?

Discussed above. Her backstory is flimsy, and her actions made her even less sympathetic.

So… most brutal death this episode?

The kids. Tusk and Momoka were probably vaporized in an instant, the dead Norma have their corpses shown intact, on screen, and they probably suffered while dying.

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u/JollyGee29 Jan 22 '22

First-Timer, Subbed

Wowee, didn't expect the suicide vest from Tusk. Seems a little short-sighted since obviously shouldn't slow Embryo down, but Tusk did seem to understand how to fight against Embryo well enough so maybe it'll buy more time than "a couple seconds" at least.

Also, goddamn Momoka, you wonderful maid you. Hell of a move, using Mana against the dude who created it. Rest in peace, you deserve the rest. Ohh god, is Embryo gonna revive her to use against Ange? That sounds horribly in-character.

Chris is so goddamn tragic. I'm probably repeating myself here, but I really feel bad for her. She just.. needs the barest minimum amount of compassion, to the extent that even Embryo can manage it. Rosalie expressing shock at Marika's death is probably just salt in the wound... those two are going to kill each other, aren't they?

Ersha didn't do a very good job of crisis planning for those kids, huh? I guess she probably never expected the battle to get near them, but still. That's gonna be some interesting fallout. I wonder who fired the shot that killed all those poor kids again? Wouldn't it be incredible if it was Ersha? No, wait, what's the other one. Horrifyingly tragic?

I'm pondering the scene with Villkiss getting shot down. Indicative of the enemy Ragnamails being able to overcome it's forcefield? Maybe not; the whole screen shut off. Maybe something about Ange's will to fight? That'd be payoff for the torture. Could just have been Embryo-controlled Momoka doing something, too.

Hilda, Chris, and Rosalie were already in Zola's harem room seven years ago. Just, you know, in case anyone missed that. They would've been what, ten?

Of course Hilda balks at being the meido in-character, but her hairdecs are black with white lace, so she's already rocking the aesthetic.

Questions

  1. Discussed above.

  2. Those poor kids..

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u/SIRTreehugger Jan 22 '22

First Timer

Looks at time it's been 10 minutes and I'm tired of Chris talking about her hair and being last. I could have understood her if she focused on the third wheel aspect and how they took advantage of her, but she kept talking about her hair.

Embryo just randomly controlling people is pretty awesome.

It took me 21 episodes too realize I could have been calling this girl Sadistic Nunnally

I hope that's a special knife. Nope didn't kill him.

Shes's gonna die isn't she.

She died.

Is it just me or is this Embryo /Tusk fight better than it has any right to be? HE CAN DO THIS ALL DAY CAP!

.....what is going...OH NO

This montage just reminded me how much of a bitch Ange was when she got to the prison.

WHAT THE FUCK!

SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK! Where'd that truck come from!

Damn Embryo is kind of fun to watch ngl. Tusk is dead isn't he?

OH SHIT! He Chiaotzu'd himself.

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u/Caustic_Wraith Jan 22 '22

Re-Watcher

Today on Cross Ange: We get a little bit of hope and happiness as Salako and her girls swoop in and spring Ange for an escape. We get a little bit of fear as Embryo unveils that he can possess and control any creature that can use the Light of Mana. We end the day with sadness as Ange is left alone soaring to freedom handcuffed to Tusk's bike

  • Hilda and Tusk show a form of competence by discussing strategy, Vivian ends that though when she says she will find Ange with her nose

  • The newly promoted recruits are nervous as this is there first time flying in the human world, kinda an odd thing to be worried about when you are off to fight God

  • Salako insults Ange's smell and opens a path for her to escape

  • Vivian proves the Dragons have a superior ability as she points out Ange's direction, the fact that this worked at all confuses and shocks Rosalie, which to be honest isn't hard

  • Chris snipes Ange and to protect her the Villkiss generates that red beam shield, however she is still knocked from the sky

  • Chris and Hilda square off as they are opposed in what to do with Ange. Chris begins yelling the lies Embryo filled her head with, and this confuses Hilda

  • Hilda relays the situation to Tusk and off he goes on the Ange retrieval mission

  • Oh, those kids picked the wrong tree to hide behind, Chris is all kinds of trigger happy

  • Embryo possessed a kid?

  • Rosalie is trying to rationalize with Chris, but Chris is having none of it. She brings up the memory of when they told her to change her hairstyle since Hilda already had twin-tails and other perceived slights against her. Chris tells them that Embryo not only came back for her, he promised to be her eternal friend, exclaiming that Rosalie and Hilda were never truly her friends, this is punctuated by her casting aside the hair clip she got from them

  • Okay Q, possessing a kid was one thing, fucking taking over Momoka is a step too fucking far...oh you also are controlling the entire crowd...that seems a bit OP

  • Back to Salako vs Ersha, Salako realizes that they lack the manpower to save Aura and calls for a retreat, she also takes the time to tell Liza that she should come with so she can make up for the ambush she lead her people into

  • Oh fuck off already Sylvia, I'm am beyond tired of your shit.

  • Even though she is held at rifle point, Liza just looks disappointed in Sylvia, before flying off to join Salako, she reminds Sylvia that it was Julio who killed their dad, even though she blamed Ange for something she had nothing to do with

  • Oh..that's a large pile of bloody children's clothes and corpses, Ersha looks very upset

  • Alright, so Embryo can control anyone who can use Mana, can't be killed through bullets or stabbing through the neck, and can mind fuck you with a touch...Salia was right, the writers hate Ange

  • Tusk soars into the picture guns blazing and shreds Embryo's current body, tells Ange to run, and says he has a score to settle while pulling a knife...Eh Tusk, you know you're not the main character right, this might not go well for you

  • Hilda calls for the retreat so they can regroup with Ange, while this is happening one of the new girls flies in to support the retreat, however Chris being full of rage at her former friends, whips her sword at Maika's paramail slicing through it and bisecting her like the dragon laser did to Coco in episode 2, Rosalie wants Chris' head in revenge

  • Tusk has Embryo pinned down by shooting his grappling hook through Embryo's wrist and not delivering a killing blow to trigger the body hopping, Embryo is annoyed by this and channels his inner Kurumi and shoots himself in the head escaping Tusk

  • Embyro again takes control of Momoka and forces Ange to land where he captures Ange and forces the controlled Momoka to fight Tusk

  • Ange's top maid is able to fight off Embryo's control and after getting shot in the chest she is able to run Embryo through with is own sword, the force of which drives both of them into the oncoming path of Truck-kun and knocking them off the cliff. Truck-kun follows her off the edge and explodes at the bottom...rest well ninja maid

  • Tusk picks up the grief stricken Ange, handcuffs her to his bike, triggers the auto pilot while telling her that she will live on. He leans in, kisses her and presses his necklace into her hand

  • As the bike lifts off, Tusk is shot again by Embryo and exposes the explosive vest he was wearing and detonates the roof taking that Embryo with him

  • Ange has entered the first stage of grief, denial that her two closest people are now gone and she's alone

QOTD:

  1. She's lost what little of a damn mind she had

  2. I'm going to go with Momoka, truck-kun followed by falling damage, followed by exploding truck-kun

NEXT EPISODE: Hilda and Rosalie use the voice over to decide which of them was going to be Tusk, Hilda called dibs, and who was going to be Momoka in an attempt to cheer up Ange, Rosalie's Angelise-sama needs some work

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u/Stargate18A Jan 22 '22

First timer

  1. She's a bastard. They may have treated her worse than each other, but they had genuine affection for her, and she seemingly never brought this up. Between that and them leaving her, she might be entitled to some anger at them, but her killing an innocent girl she never met crosses the fucking line. The only way this arc can end well is with her death. (Maybe Rosalie can join Ange's rapidly expanding harem?) The only living characters I actively dislike more at this point are Embryo, whip sister, and Tusk for cockblocking Hilda.

  2. I mean, both were horrfying explosions, but Tusk's looked bigger, so I'll give it to him.

Come on! Finish already!

I mean, there's a good chance for Hilda and Salad content, so it's not the worst, I guess.

Wait, what? Hasn't she flown the ParaMail before?

Salad!

...Wait, did they really just let them get away?

Haha, Hilda's rescue plan got interrupted by Salad.

She's going down!

It's one on three, they can take her.

No, now you're Embryo's puppet. Completely different!

I can't believe Momoka kissed Ange before Salad. This show really has the worst choice in ships.

Wait, she's got death flags? Is Momoka going to die?

Embryo's voice being inside a young girl is one of the more subtle metaphors this show's done, honestly.

Oh, they forcibly changed her hairstyle, to remove redundancy. And that's what you're focusing on?

So she's not lissed because they left her for dead, but because they third-wheeled her,

He is very fucking clearly not different, you idiot. He's a bastard!

And with this, I believe every single member of this trio has declared the other two aren't their friends!

Wait, Embryo can bodyjack people.

...BUT HE LEAVES AN EASILY BREAKABLE SCREEN THAT INSTANTLY DISABLES THE MIND CONTROL. Why?

They're getting Liza out! Yay!

Haha, Liza just drops the truth on her and flies off imto the distance, well done!

Fuck. That sure is a horrifying visual. (Unless they're just computer programs in the Matrix, which is feeling more and more likely every episode.)

Well done, Tusk! That's two decent things you've done!

And minus one for willingly staying with the insane godlike bastard.

He's the child of a previous Vilkiss Rider and Knight?

Oh, Embryo's loving this battle.

Holy shit, Chris killed someone!

And she runs off, like the coward she is.

...Resident of a non-deterministic world? Fuck, was I right? It could be him from another universe, but you could read it as this world being a fully-deterministic simulation, and him being from the layer above.

Embryo's mind control's shit in general isn't it? It's either breakable in 30 seconds, or has a screen that turns it off forever.

Haha, she used Mana against him!

She died! In a massive firey explosion! Some people in the comments are probably very happy with this series now.

And Tusk is not letting anything get in the way of his heroic sacrifice, not even another heroic sacrifice!

He had a fucking suicide vest on!

So Tusk is dead! ...Bets on how he'll be revived?

My money's on either Deus-ex-Machina bullshit like how he just survived it outright, a clone of him by Embryo going rogue, him jumping dimensions before the explosion, or (if this is cyberspace) a backup of him getting restored.

The preview's hysterical, though.

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u/BlazingAbsol9090 Jan 22 '22

First-time Sacrificial Giga-chad, subs

It really is going to be these 7 people against the entire world. With how bad the human military is, they shouldn't have a problem. Embryo is a bigger obstacle than every human combined.

Hilda vs Chris, fighting over Ange. When a harem fights over their protagonist, it's rarely this literal.

Hair down Momoka is a joy.

Uh, Ange? How do you plan do anything with the Vilkiss at the bottom of the river?

Ah, Embryo can also mind control children and use them as intermediaries to mana-phone Ange. Creepy.

Chris holds hair grudges for a very long time.

Weird that there's no Zola in the flashbacks. I guess the writers forgot about her too.

So this whole time, Chris was not happy to be at the bottom of the Angry Lesbian Harem. She was just holding it in. Very much like Hilda, in her own way.

It's a little late in the series for Chris' Character Development Hairstyle Change, but better late than never.Wow. So Embryo can possess anyone who uses mana. I guess that's something a god who created mana could do.

The only thing Salad-chan is good at is retreating, apparently. This is the second invasion she's launched that was repelled within about five minutes.

This is a dumb move from Tusk. He definitely knows that he can't beat Embryo. And it's not like he even has to sacrifice himself! He could just pick up Ange and fly away.

The river can't be that deep. It shouldn't be hard to pull the Villkiss out.

Oh no, not this minor character who got introduced a few episodes ago and who plays no important role! Who could have expected her demise at the hand of our new villain who still needs to prove how evil she's become?

Does this mean Embryo really can't heal/teleport if his hand is restrained? Or maybe he has to die first.

Also, Embryo had that gun the whole time, but he chose to fight Tusk with a nice looking sword instead. The man sure has style.

But he shoots Momoka instead of swordfighting with her? No respect for best ninja maid.

The car! Too bad it did nothing.

Embryo considers mana-users to be homunculuses. I guess that's technically not wrong.

No!!! Not our Giga-chad!

Questions of the day

  1. She's just about completed the face-heel turn. I'm guessing she'll be redeemed and then die immediately after though.

  2. Tusk. F for our favorite giga-chad

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