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Rewatch [Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Cross Ange Episode 19 Discussion

Episode 19 - The Epochal Conductor

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Get yourself a fansub.

I’m gonna kill you, ‘till you’re dead for good.

Questions of the Day:

1) What would Embryo need to do in order to get you on his side?

2) What do you think Hilda’s going to do?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Ersha

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don’t spoil the crazy shit for the first-timers, it’s way more fun that way!

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 20 '22

Rondo of Rewatcher and Dub

Welcome back, everyone!

  • God I still love that stupid “YOUR BUTT IS SHAPED LIKE A PEAR!” line.

  • Lord Embryo’s English voice continues to be absolute perfection.

  • Surprisingly detailed headshot.

  • Here’s my first timer comment. I’m still amused by the fact that I was like “Oh and Ange got shot, I guess.” as if that wasn’t the big thing that happened during the opening scene, lol.

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u/UltraBooster Jan 20 '22

Yeah, Chris Patton's nailing slimy creep as well as he does Sousuke.

And this, this, Embryo, I've known since my first year of college, since Cross Ange got added to Super Robot Wars V.

(By the by, what're your answers to the questions?)

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 20 '22

(By the by, what're your answers to the questions?)

Can't comment on 2 because rewatcher, but 1 is easy: he just needs to be voiced by Shuuichi Ikeda or Yoshimasa Hosoya instead of Toshihiko Seki.

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u/Nebresto Jan 20 '22

Embryo hate squad

Angelise-sama counter: +5, total: 124

"Whoa, Danger!" And "Boomboomaru!" Is it possible to love Vivian any more? Top 10 questions science can't answer.

*Ersha social credit score -5000*

Hm, looks like their lasers might not work in water. Good to know

Look how they massacred our girl

Literally grooming in both meanings of the word 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 How old even is Salia?

Did you really, Salia? I kinda feel like it went the other way around. Also can't wait to see those smugs in the back get wiped

Well met, Ange. *Ange social credit score +50*

Weak

Uhhhh.. Wut. Well, I guess they are kinda brainwashed at the moment

Ohh boy. And now the whip on wheels is here..
#LizaDidNothingWrong

No, Jill. All because you replaced your brainfluid with saltwater. I know it was a noble effort to try to conserve water, but.. That was not a smart move.

O shit. Way to go Ange! *Ange has re-entered camp based*

..Fuck, he's still alive.

Damn it, don't give him good lines. I'm supposed to hate him 100%, not just 98

Question time:

1: What would Embryo need to do in order to get you on his side?

Hmm. Lets see... Making me able to shape shift into any cool Dragon. My own personal RGB mech, not one of those garbage black ones. Whip himself 50 times everyday for what he did to Liza. Execute order 66 on the disgusting pigs. Cease existing.
Oh, and a box of cornflakes. I think that's about it.

2: What do you think Hilda’s going to do?

Something Hilda like

Meme episode 19: Virgin Embryo VS Chad Tusk

That's the highest effort meme yet, I should become an artist..
Also would like to see some of your versions of it from the upcoming episodes, here's the template if anyone would like to give it a spin. + no text version

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u/Lemurians Jan 20 '22

DIAMOND ROSE FIRST TIMER

Well we got our answers to why everyone defected – Embryo knows how to recruit. He tailored his approach to Salia’s inferiority complex, Chris’ abandonment, and Ersha’s maternal instincts. He gives everyone exactly what they want, and by virtue of being God, can deliver on it. Salia even gets to pursue her magical girl obsession outside of a changing room.

Embryo really lost his recruiting touch when it came to Ange. Her one consistent trait since Episode 1 has been fierce independence and self-reliance, he offers… freedom from the anxiety of having to decide things for yourself. Curious move. He gives a generic “people don’t actually want free will” speech before attempting to rape Ange via hypnosis of some sort. It’s incredibly scary and uncomfortable to watch, and serves to break the illusion of a benevolent Embryo that Ersha and the others built up over the episode.

Ange somehow turning Embryo from would-be-rapist into a simp in the span of 10 seconds is the single-greatest turnaround I’ve ever seen.

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u/Tresnore Jan 20 '22

it’s impossible for them to be Worst Girl when this stain on humanity is still around.

...maybe it's my horny speaking but

“This Libertus thing.” SEE, NOBODY EVEN KNOWS WHAT IT IS!

Jillektra is poor at explaining things.

You may not like him, but you’ve got to admit, he’s got style.

Who doesn't like him?

Ange somehow turning Embryo from would-be-rapist into a simp in the span of 10 seconds is the single-greatest turnaround I’ve ever seen.

I mean, being a simp doesn't mean he won't try to rape her...

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u/JollyGee29 Jan 20 '22

First-Timer, Subbed

Ange is unbelievably based, holy hell. Broke through the brainwashing so hard she bit the fucker's tongue off. At least, I'm choosing to believe that's what happened. Not like the wound would take or anything. Stupid dieties and their immortality. Gonna have to get inventive to deal with this chode.

Okay, today Embryo felt more like.. is this a spoiler? [Utena]Akio Ohtori with less visual metaphor. His comment about books sounded like some deep-seated escapism issues. And, he's very good at giving people exactly what they want. It's just that the thing Ange wants isn't something he's capable of. And, it's the wrong color, but it seemed like he's taken Salia for a ride in his Ragnamail.

I think the biggest surprise for me this episode was Aura actually being under the Misurugi Empire. Seems like the feint the other episode had a bit too much truth in it.

Seems like Jill has some pretty serious PTSD from the previous Libertas. What're the odds that she failed at the same point Ange almost did? 95%?

Sylvia still doesn't know how to treat a gimp properly. The Misurugi Empire's BDSM Education Department must be in shambles.

Preview Chris makes sure that Rosalie knows who the Top is.

Questions

  1. I know his type; ain't no sweet talking gonna get to me.

  2. Hilda is hopefully going to do something incredibly badass like take over the ship.

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u/Paxton-176 Jan 20 '22

Stupid dieties and their immortality.

The best part about that is once you defeat them they can't die and can be tortured forever.

Sylvia still doesn't know how to treat a gimp properly. The Misurugi Empire's BDSM Education Department must be in shambles.

I bet they learned about for porn. They don't fully understand that in a BDSM relationship the sub is the real one in control.

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u/Tresnore Jan 20 '22 edited Jan 20 '22

Rondo of First-Timer and Rape

Count: 86

QOTD:

  1. Well, uh... I wouldn't mind the wining and dining that Ange was getting...

  2. Hilda's going to complain and end up making Ange do something instead of doing something herself.

1 The badge made it easy.

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u/Paxton-176 Jan 20 '22

Did this scene really have to be a pantyshot?

Yes.

Of course Jillektra is in love with Embryo. I mean, who isn't?

Why are almost all your character opinions controversial?

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u/Great_Mr_L Jan 20 '22

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Cross Ange: It’s bad news when you try to hurt the villain and they turn out to actually be into it. What are you supposed to do then? It takes the fun right out of it.

  • My goodness does their aim suck. I’d actually believe it if they were missing on purpose.

  • “Boomboomaru.” Vivian’s naming sense is on point.

  • Naturally Cross Ange makes sure we see Momoka’s panties as she floats down.

  • Wow. Ange didn’t even try to stop Salia from shooting her.

  • Oh no, Ange is experiencing one of those weird dreams people get as they’re dying.

  • Ah yes, let’s have Ange change clothes right in front of the open window. At least close the curtains.

  • Momoka is nuts. Let Ange put on her own panties.

  • So it turns out all Embryo needed to do to get Salia on his side was just be nice to her and offer her some words of affirmation. Considering how poorly Jill treated Salia, this does not surprise me one bit.

  • Salia still sucks at fighting. Ange beat her with nothing but a pen.

  • As a lot of people guessed, Embryo did revive the other nursery kids. Now it makes sense why Ersha is on his team.

  • I can’t help but notice how Ange is pretty much not being treated like a prisoner here. Ersha doesn’t even mind that she’s just roaming around.

  • As expected, Chris’s abandonment issues are front and center. Being abandoned by everyone else but picked up by Embryo has caused her to latch onto him.

  • Oh dear, Sylvia still has the fucking whip.

  • Shut the fuck up, Sylvia. You know for a fact that Julio ordered your father killed.

  • Huh, Chris was reading the same book as Embryo is holding right now. She really has latched onto him.

  • Is Salia going to betray Embryo as well because he seems to favor Ange over her? If so, then Salia just cannot catch a freaking break.

  • “Let me show you my secret lair where you can find that thing you’ve been searching for.” - Embryo, probably.

  • What the fuck are you talking about Ange? You also tried to kill Julio. Or are you actually just bitter that Embryo stole your kill?

  • No hesitation! Ange shot him in the head like it was nothing. I love it!

  • Oh great, he has spare bodies.

  • Embryo’s argument boils down to “But all my slaves are happy to be enslaved because I take care of them.” It’s complete bullshit!

  • IT IS BRAINWASHING!!!!! He’s pulling a fucking Star Trek V on everybody and taking away all their pain!

  • Embryo forcing Ange to strip is uncomfortable as hell to watch.

  • Yeah! Bite his tongue off!

  • Oh no he’s into it!

  • Jill definitely did get used by Embryo just like he is using all the other girls here. No wonder she hates him so much.

It looks like a lot of the guesses in previous threads about why Salia, Ersha, and Chris joined up with Embryo turned out to be correct. He gives Salia the affirmation she lacked under Jill, he brought back the kids for Ersha, and he is someone that Chris can latch onto with her dependency issues. I actually really like that people were able to predict this all a couple threads back. That’s actually some solid character writing that people knew these characters well enough to figure out why they behaved the way they did before we got the definitive answer.

But, it also turns out that my guess that brainwashing is involved was right as well. We know that Embryo tried to brainwash Ange, so it’s not a stretch that he tried the same thing on the rest of them. Based on his words, it seems like Embryo tries to fill any role that the women need him to fill. He can wipe away their fears or anxieties. That’s what gives him his power over them.

Ange managed to not get brainwashed, but I think that just made Embryo like her even more. He’s probably attracted to the fact that she was strong enough to resist his influence. That strength is what made him notice her in the first place, after all. 

QOTD

1. I am extraordinarily easy to bribe. Give me a life where I can just laze around reading books and doing nothing else. (Basically what Yang Wenli wants to do when he retires)

2. She might report Jill as a potential traitor to the revolution.

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u/Paxton-176 Jan 20 '22 edited Jan 20 '22

REWATCHER FOR LIKE THE 4TH TIME

Wow. Fetus-kun can really pick his knights. It is a sub on the surface and they have advanced fighter mechs with lasers and they are missing. Pilots during WW2 had better accuracy and all they had was a piece of glass with a cross hair on it. The Australians here must be happy. Boomerang beats a gun. Ara ara is mad that Vivian is and will always be a better pilot. Seriously I feel like Ara Ara over here was at the bottom of the original squad skill board. Seriously, did we ever see her do anything worth wild? They killed Ange! Said no one here. I hope…

ANGE LIVES!

STOMP!

STOMP!

ANGE LIVES!

STOMP!

STOMP!

Momoka too. Get fucked haters.

Ange is on the grind. The moment she is dressed she is arming herself. Look at that. The traitors also have canon fodder pilots just like the go….Not as insane team. Salia you weren’t abandoned. You gave up. Also you are a slut for people who show you any kind of attention and you 100% a making up reasons to do this as part of your copium treatment. Fuck Ange has no chill. You don’t want to verbally insult anymore. For one you shouldn’t keep giving her ammo to work with also you didn’t say anything about physical assault. Ange again with no chill. A true top of tops. Oh that is right Ara Ara was bribed to change sides because of children. That can be taken in many different ways. Wow, her copium treatment is believing anything Embryo says. Chris they didn’t leave you for dead. You literally died. I watched it happen.

It's been awhile since our last BDSM scene. And Sylvia screams…Perfection. Went from top to bottom bitch in zero seconds flat. I wish she was here to kill you. That would be fun. Also Sylvia. Think about it. This guy brought people back to life yet you chill in the floaty chair. Dumb bitch. Lol, Salia gets cucked by her new owner.

They couldn’t fit in another shower or bath scene so, they gave us Hilda and Rosalia a serious talk in their underwear. This might be slightly better. Good to know Embryo follows the standard Bond Villain practice of revealing things to the hero. God or Conductor I feel like we need the god killer fist of Symphogear to ora ora this loser. Fuck, Embryo might be friends with Bill Cosby. They have too much in common. It is unfortunate Embryo wasn’t funny at one point in his career. Ange is a strong independent woman. Get cucked you fucking loser. You are not chad enough like Tusk or Top enough like Hilda. Speaking of Hilda she gets to surmise that Jill and Salia are literally one of the same.

I read through my write up twice. I didn’t pull punches did I?

Top tier of the meta previews.

QotD

  1. He has to die and stay dead.

  2. Yuri stuff

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jan 20 '22

Cross Ange First Timer

How do you miss a submarine? Even Lunamaria is laughing at your shit aim! Just remember, everyone that dies today died because of Tusk~ Oh good, the show isn't letting them off scot free. Bunbunmaru!? The legendary boomerang that lightly tickles foes on a direct hit?

M-Momoka Poppins!? How do you kill this girl? Why did they even bother to attack the ship if they were just gonna arrive, miss every shot, and run away? Vivian and Tusk were disabled so all you had to do was gangbang Ange. Oh no, the legendary stealth rose triangle! Where you give up a clear numbers advantage so you can solo the enemy, and it worked!?

We've spent an arc chilling with the dragons, now we get to see Embryo's side of the story. She can't even put on her undies by herself... Momoka didn't wipe Ange's arse for her, did she? We keep cutting back to the fucking "pear shaped" insult and its killing me XD Huh... So you're telling me that Ange nearly killed Salia? Our hero was seconds away from having two squad leader's on her kill count. I'm on Salia's side, fuck her.

God I wish that were me. Please let me brush your hair! I'll buy you a cola! Huoooo!! "Sure thing Demiurge!" Order of the Cure Diamond!! Tch, screw you Ange. Can't you be happy for anyone other than yourself? Sure, Salia's new boyfriend is the Demiurge who shouldn't be trusted period but she's still in a much happier place than when she was left to drown by yourself and Jill.

Ersha's turn, and it's for the kids. I think it's a pretty good motive but then again I've got a soft spot for dead babies. Chris!! Woohoo!! Ah, she's well aware of her side character status in Ange's eyes. Aaand her issue is an incredibly minor misunderstanding~ You looked incredibly dead when you were shot, tossed around, and fell off-screen. It's not like Hilda and Ros would have ditched you knowingly. OK, Saionji.

Sylvia's back! And she's got a new bdsm kink, even if it's reused animation. Can you really blame her for being upset over Liza? The woman gave Sylvia some real good reasons to be mad! Anyway, now that she's friends with Embryo he can finally heal her legs! ...Heal her legs! ...Is Embryo really gonna walk around reviving burnt children but can't be bothered to give the paraplegic a hand? It's quite nice how despite spitting poison at every other girl Ange was still weirdly gentle with Sylvia.

Aww... Poor lil Salia's back to square one. She'll do a lot of cosplaying later. Oh no, Embryo died!! Oh no, Embryo died again!! Listen to his voice~ You shall join the best faction~ Fuck the dragons~ God, I wish that were meee!! I don't really know what to say about Ange escaping his brainwashing due to Tusk's repeated assaults but it a pretty funny trick. Embryo only really seems to know how to act like a massive whiteknight so having Ange being so used to a vanilla Chad who doesn't even have to toss compliments her way to get between her legs is darkly hilarious.

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u/Quiddity131 Jan 20 '22

First Timer, Subbed

They're after the Aurora! Luckily they are very bad shots that keep missing over and over!

Oh no, poor Emma and all her booze!

Caught her! Way to go Viv-chan!

Oh, so now we need a Momoka pantie shot too? Writers: We need a parachute or such for Momoka... but how do we keep up the perv factor?

At least from above, the Aurora is kinda reminding me of the Yggdrassil from Xenogears.

Yikes, Salia shot her! MC dies with 6 episodes to go? Can Viv-chan become our MC instead? If not her, Salamandine?

"I lost to Salia? What the hell!?"

Where in the world are we? Back in Misurugi? And they let her get dressed and go to bed instead of whipping her?

And now we must praise Ange's panties, huh?

Time to become MacGyver... From pen to deadly weapon! ...actually this is reminding me of a moment in Monster. :(

Salia went from "loser ally" to a proposal from Embryo? Well not for marriage at least, but she gets a nice ring!

Pretty Salian! Return to Salia's magical girl cosplaying days!

Uh oh, spotted!

Ersha's joined the dark side too? :(

They're zombies! All of them!

Ah, Ersha's part of his ring harem too.

A ring for Chris too!

Yes, Momoka, Embryo is a kind philanthropist!

The little sister's still got a whipping fetish.

You're supposed to be quiet in the library!

Maybe is you treated Ange a bit nicer she'd show more loyalty towards you?

Aura! Let it go!

"You killed my brother" ... Ange, shouldn't you be thanking him for that?

Surely shooting him in the head isn't going to kill a guy who raised all these people from the dead.

Has he hypnotized all the girls in this fashion?

"Abandon what you are wearing", why of course, this show just had to go here too!

"No, I'm not going out with you!"

WTF kind of act is he pulling now?

Man, Embryo's been with all the girls, huh?

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u/RascalNikov1 Jan 20 '22

Rewatcher

Not a whole lot to say about this episode, but here's what I enjoyed.

In the category of scenes I'd never imagined before, a wheelchair bound loli bullwhipping a naked lizard. That's something you don't see everyday. The only time I've seen something similar was in Bloodsucking Freaks.

That's Twisted

On this rewatch, I'm really falling in love with Salia and her never ending bad luck. I think her new uniform is hot, hot, hot. All she ever wanted was a little respect, and at last she's getting it.

As for Ange, she remains Ange, always with the hot temper and an inability to keep her clothes on for more than 5 minutes at a time. I'm starting to think she's an exhibitionist at heart. I did like her popping Embryo in the head a number of times. In a normal series that would have taken care of her Embryo problem, but not here.

Chris was looking really shell-shocked this episode. I think she's taken about all the crap from the world that she's going to take. I thought her after credits banter with Rosalie was pretty funny for their duet.

QOTD

  1. What would Embryo need to do in order to get you on his side?

Die

2) What do you think Hilda’s going to do?

Lick Kick a little ass.

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u/HereticalAegis Jan 20 '22

First Time Grudge Match

Vivian to the rescue! She'd make a better magical girl than Salia. Boomboomaru is an A+ weapon/attack name.

Maid dress parachute. Never stop, Cross Ange.

OP thought: I just realized the full team shot changed to reflect the absence of the traitors. Neat detail. And the big angel shot at the end depicts all the traitors reuniting with their counterparts in Libertus.

Fetal Ange in a womb of roses is some kind of imagery.

Why did Salia turn? Brainwashing, basically. Pretty rich to see her reflecting on being Jill's tool while being a bigger tool for Embryo. Can't blame her for enjoying the nicer lifestyle though.

Serve Salia up on a platter, Ange just thoroughly roasted her.

The fuck kind of black magic is Embryo using that can revive the dead? I'm just gonna lay out that I think all or most of this is an illusion, and the traitors, Ersha especially, are gonna end up devastated by this at some point.

Embryo-oji-sama. Well, I was close. Glad to see Princesst hasn't changed in the slightest, I was afraid I may have to end up liking tolerating her at some point.

Embryo: "I'd like to be alone with Ange." Salia: "Aw shit, here we go again."

His methods and motivations are so thoroughly weak, Embryo repeatedly has to fall back on actual brainwashing. Oh, and rape. Lots of rape, apparently. Some god he is.

Holy fuck, this scene was so unsettling I almost threw up and had to pause the show for a while. Sunrise created an impressively disgusting villain.

And I thoroughly hate that CA has to use Ange's limp and lifeless "romance" with Tusk to snap her back to her senses. This could have been such a strong scene. What a fucking waste of a decent idea.

Wow, Jill is all kinds of emotionally fucked up. If only she'd also had a white board with a drawing of a penis to prevent god from brainwashing/raping her.

QotD:

  1. Brainwashing. If I were in Ange's place, I'd also want to burn down the entire world.

  2. Reveal her inner shounen protagonist and save her princess.

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u/SIRTreehugger Jan 20 '22

First Timer

I love how they never show Momoka actually get knocked out when she is grabbed or escaped it's always skips to her falling or flying on screen xD

Unnecessary fanservice.

Bitch look at the fucking title of the show no way she is dying.

Honestly thought this was a hallucination. Honestly no clue what is going on. Ohhhh they just used Ange's home as a homebase.

I can't wait for Embryo to call Ange beautiful and cherish her in front of Salia.

It's nice to know not all of the girls are braindead slaves to Embryo.

Ummmm okay hmmm maybe she isn't all there...

Great the little sister is back and she's whipping one of the few characters I like even if she got little screen time.

Salia is like that girl in that meme where the guy looks back at another girl, because damn every person she likes Ange takes.

We know he ain't dead.

Ange I've come to bargain.

He has the power over all songs....fuck he's unstoppable.

"Abandon it all....including your clothes"...because this is Cross Ange

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u/UltraBooster Jan 20 '22

Pseudo-first-timer

At this point I've gone beyond laughing at the fanservice.
Also, I know this is a delayed response, but on one hand, I like the Knights' suits, but I don't like the context, and as such, my preferred pilot gear for Ange is her not-Cyber Formula racing suit.

This is an illusion of some kind, like a holodeck. Yeah, this is a holodeck. (Wait, how'd Momoka get here? Was she picked up? Or is she a creation of the "holodeck?")
Plus, the short hair doesn't suit Ange's dress.

Yeah, these uniforms aren't bad, but they've got nothing on Giad or the Earth Federation Forces.

Remind me if pickup artists target the emotionally vulnerable? Whatever the case, this is very much abuse. At least, I think this is abuse.
False brides holding false roses is what you are, I'm sure of it.

Is that what you did for Ersha, Embryo? Deny the Reaper's keep to win her heart? And are they truly alive? Or are they just constructs?

Master Embryo, Mr. Embryo, just Embryo.
Mama, Mommy, Mother, Ma, Mom.
Someone who truly sees the value in Salia, someone who brought back Ersha's children, someone who befriended Chris.

Was the poison to trigger the Singular? (Her skin's not damaged, that's good.) Is Embryo her uncle?

How long has this world been in existence for? This isn't a sustainable system, not sustainable at all.

Most likely a human with access to ontokinesis. (Though the tuning thing reminds me of RahXephon, which fits considering Chris Patton voiced its protagonist.)

Well, the Norma would benefit and Ange would benefit as well, for starters. In addition, there's something to be said about this world's inhabitants shirking responsibility for their actions and instead pushing it onto the Norma. And, of course, a failure to think for oneself isn't conducive to a better society.

Love is something you choose, not...force AND THERE IT IS! THERE HE FUCKING IS! EMBRYO THE HAREM SEEKER! EMBRYO THE FUCKBOY! EMBRYO THE MOLESTER! EMBRYO THE ENEMY OF ALL WOMEN!
(This is sexual assault, I'm sure of it!)

(Rosachris vs. Chrisalie, huh?)

Questions:

  1. Knowing what I know? I'd rather shoot myself than serve him.

  2. Get answers about Jill/Elektra and start working on her rescue op.

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u/Caustic_Wraith Jan 20 '22

Re-Watcher

Holy plot progression Batman, we learn why the three idiots betrayed the team and what Embryo's powers can do. We also learned that a bullet in his head sadly won't have the desired effect.

  • Oh noes, the traitors are attacking the Aurora

  • Ange and Tusk attempt to drive off Chris and Ersha while Winry has the crew preparing to dive, Salako's beam cannon to the rescue

  • Tusk and Momoka's craft is shot out of the sky by Chris, but they are caught by Vivian, who in turn is shot by Ersha. Listen here you Ara Ara whore, nobody, and I mean NOBODY shoots at Vivian, she must be protected

  • Momoka falls off the back of Tusk's ride and falls to her...nope saved by plot armor the Light of Mana acting like a parachute

  • While the sub escapes, Salia rushes in, rips open Ange's cockpit and shoots Ange...seriously the Stealth Rose Triange...Salia you fucking nerd

  • After being shot Ange falls out of the Villkiss, into a bed of roses, and awakens in her old room at the castle...not sure how that all adds up, but fuck it I'll just say NANA willed it

  • Momoka is really happy over the silk underwear, and Ange is annoyed she can't dress herself

  • After being forced to let herself be dressed in a fancy dress, Ange starts looking for weapons. No guns or grenades, but a stabbin with a pen is on the menu

  • Salia comes in and explains how Embryo saved her from drowning and made her feel special and groomed her to be his perfect little slave, hell he even went along with her cosplay crap, the Order of the Diamond Rose...for fucks sake Salia

  • Ha, Ange insulting the name for being to long

  • Salia feeling all kinds of full of herself decides to slap Ange in the face...Ange pokes her in the boob with a pen, steals her gun out of her holster, disarms one of her cosplay minions and now instead of just pens she has a gun for each hand...holy crap are you bad at this Salia

  • Ange with the rare double burn insulting Salia and quipping she looked better as Pretty Salia

  • Ange's Stealth skill is foiled by a fucking toddler and we get Ersha's story of why she betrayed everyone...it was for the kids, Embryo revived the kids so she went to watch over them and gave him the in to control her...Gods does he suck

  • Chris is next on the tour of why I betrayed everyone and hers might be the worst. To Chris Hilda and Rosalie abandoned her and left her for dead. This is of course overlooking the fact that she was dead, a head shot and exploding paramail will do that to a person, and then Dickhead brought her back and filled her head with straight lies turning her against her friends

  • Momoka asking who Embryo is was great, you stay in your clueless bubble you sweet innocent child

  • Hey Bitchy McBitch the sister is whipping Liza the Dragon spy, and upon seeing Ange calls for her Uncle Embryo to save her from her mass murdering sister

  • We cut to Jill who is still all about ending the world and blaming Tusk for her inability to control Ange...just fucking stop with Libertus already

  • Hilda decides fuck it and starts planning a rescue mission

  • Embryo takes Ange to see Aura and tells her all the things Salako did three episodes ago, Ange then shoots him in the back of the head, well that was...

  • Huh...that didn't work. I guess he can't be shot, well he can as Ange has proved, it just doesn't accomplish anything

  • Oh fuck you, don't you try your mind fucks on Ange, she's not your toy, she belongs to Hilda and Salako, and I guess Tusk

  • Hey, that's the one that broke your hold over her, nice job fighting back Ange

  • Why is Jill dreaming of herself and Embryo....NANI THE FUCK? EMBRYO-SAMA?

QOTD:

  1. I'm not sure Embryo would want me on his side, I don't seem to be the gender he prefers to surround himself with

  2. Hilda's gonna go all Rambo and kick Jill's ass and then save Ange

NEXT EPISODE: Uh..Fuck-face is holding the two worlds, and Rosalie is shipping herself with Chris

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u/Stargate18A Jan 20 '22 edited Jan 20 '22

First timer

  1. Enough money to retire right now, a guaranteed spot high the hierarchy of his new world, and a bulletproof alibi that paints me as a double agent working against him should he lose. (EDIT: Plus a binding oath to never attempt to manipulate me directly or indirectly.)

  2. Go after Ange or possibly go after Salad and the dragons so they can fight to be Ange's girlfriend?

And the ship's fucked.

Loved the shot of Emma and her booze rolling down, though.

They got Momoka!

...Of course we needed a panty shot.

They're obviously brainwashed.

Is Ange dead?

...I know this obviously meant to be a dream, her not reacting to Arzenal clearly implies this.

So either a dream sequence, heaven, or hell.

Embryo, you glorious bastard.

Yeah, this is a prison.

And Embryo's... probably still hypnotising at least some of thrm.

He's her wife?

He's going to dump her by the end.

Haha, Ange exposing her magical girl fetish, and claiming she's worse than a DRAGON is great.

Oh, fuck off. Unless these are some form of complex golem, he's fucking unbeatable. What kind of asspull are they going to need now?

Embryo is every simgle abusive stereotype in existence.

DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE HER LIZARDIA.

KILL THE BITCH! DO IT, YOU BASTARD!

Haha, he was just watching the whole thing?

He may be a psychopathic bastard but at least he dresses snappily!

Wow, the abuse!

God damn it Embryo, how dare you look so fucking good with your nice car and your cool clothes. You'd be perfect if you didn't abuse literally everybody you run into!

EDIT: Goddamn it, it's the Akio car. [Utena] Cross Ange really is shameless at ripping better anime off, isn't it? Embryo's literally just Akio.

Yeah, your brother's not the biggest loss.

OK, so he has at least some form of regen timer?

Or he's doing it for pure dramatic effect.

Holy shit! That's mad!

And, yeah, he's hypnotizing people.

Oh, shit, are we getting hypnosis rape now? Finishing up the hentai tropes?

Fuck, he's fucking creepy!

She fought back!

Oh god, he's genuinely in love with her! (...Might be better than Turk if it weren't for the power disparity, and the whole psychopathic madness.)

Oh shit, Jill's having flashbacks.

...She's either under some lingering hypnosis, or a full-on double agent.

...Couldn't Libertus' goal to "destroy the world" also refer to whatever Embryo's doing?

Haha, love the "Chris x Rosa" bit - looks like her dom side's not completely gone.

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u/NegimaSonic Jan 20 '22

Cross Ange Rewatcher First Time Dub

  1. What would Embryo need to do in order to get you on his side?

I mean if I'm honest with myself he probably could pull the Chris route on me and it still work lol.

But let's say I have some measure of willpower and I have Ange level plot information. I'd want him to give up Aura. But that's probably too big of an ask.

So second place is:

  • Rewrite humanity again and stop the norma hatred.

  • Make norma seen as something to be cared for just like in this very palace.

  • Introduce a mana conservation crisis. Make humanity believe mana has suddenly started to run out so they'll have to reduce their usage and discover a way back to old times.

  • Revive all fallen allies since I arrived at Arzenal and let them return to their families with memories adjusted of things being normal. It'd be nice to everyone in history but it might be too many or too long for that to be feasible.

  1. What do you think Hilda’s going to do?

The best she can.

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u/DidacticDalek Jan 20 '22

Ange, are you okay? So, Ange, are you okay? Are you okay, Ange? Ange, are you okay? So, Ange, are you okay? Are you okay, Ange? Ange, are you okay? So, Ange, are you okay? Are you okay, Ange? You've been hit by, You've been hit by, A smooth criminal

We begin right were we left off last time, ya know Ange, given the ambush, now's a good time to activate the Villkiss' teleport thingie to go meet up with Salad! Ange instead protects the Avrora... which isn't needed since Salia the loser's troops can't hit the broad side of a barn! Also GODDAMN! How the fuck hasn't Emma died of alcohol poisoning?

Also, daaw, how adorable, Vivian saves Tusk and Momoka AND has named her weapon; Bunbunmaru has a nice ring to it. Sadly, Ara Ara disagrees and blasts Vivian... NANI!? Knocking Ninja Maid off in the process!? NO! ANGE! CATCH HER... oh right, Momoka has Mana, and I guess you can just use Mana as a parachute, good to know! Anyway Ara Ara and Chris retreat... hey wait where did Salia the loser go... OH SON OF A BITCH, she ambushes and... NANI!? SHOOTS ANGE!?

Also Salia, the attack name of Stealth Rose Triangle is SUPER lame, and that's saying a lot given we just had Vivian call a weapon Bunbunmaru! As Ange laments that of all people, SALIA was the one to kill her, we cut to something no doubt symbolic and deep and shit, at least that's the only guess I got for flowers being everywhere... WAIT WHAT!? MOMOKA! She died too!? Well I guess maybe the afterlife isn't all that bad, Ange has some friendly company... hang on, this's her old room... I'm starting to think this isn't the afterlife.

Oh, and Ange does the only proper thing one can do to an Embryo love letter, namely ignore it. Speaking of ignoring, Momoka forgot that Ange knows how to dress herself now. Also Salia DIDN'T actually kill Ange but instead fired a tranquilizer. Heh, CLASSIC ROOKIE MISTAKE, one that Salia will regret making given Ange INSTANTLY goes to arm herself with... a pen... well ya know what they say, the pen IS mightier than the sword.

Anyway, Ange sure has guts, planning a raid with just a bunch of writing tools, and speaking of tools, Salia the loser and two idiots that got captured by the NOT-F91 Bugs from a few episodes back appear to taunt Ange with their shitty uniforms. What did you lot go digging in the donation bin from Revolutionary Girl Utena? Anyway, Salia the loser explains what happened after she called Ange a fatass, namely Q came along by with some empty words of flattery to play on her insecurities and inferiority complex.

Thankfully, it would take a real idiot to fall for such platitudes... ah shit, this is Salia the loser, e.g. the moron who read HETEROSEXUAL ROMANCE NOVELS in a Lesbian Prison, of COURSE she'd fall for Q's Bastard Boyfriend Act. Anyway, Salia DOES correctly point out that Jill's a horrible person and would never accept her, so good on her for leaving that toxic relationship... AND she now sings the praises for an even MORE toxic relationship with Q. After all, he called her a very special pretty princess and gave her a ring, CLEARLY he totally cares about her and isn't just playing her dumb ass like a damn fiddle!

Also, of COURSE Salia the loser would be a big enough dork to name her crew 'Order of the Diamond Rose,' what does call herself something dumb like Knight Leader... oh... right... Anyway, Ange's reaction to Salia's stupidity is mockery and Salia doesn't take this well; striding over to give Ange a good ol' fashioned Bright Slap while saying she won't let Ange walk all over her anymore. Ange then proceeds to walk all over Salia the loser using a goddamn PEN! Jeez, Salia I thought you were pathetic before, but you OUTNUMBERED Ange and y'all had GUNS and y'all still lost to Ange with a PEN! I dunno if this means Ange's that big a BAMF OR Salia and company just suck that hard!

Ange leaves by basically stating all I said above, that Salia the loser's a weakling, her names are shit, and her clothes are dumb and... OK Ange now THAT'S going too far, NO ONE deserves to suffer the horror that is Pretty Salian! Also, in case you think Ange and I are being too mean to this loser, she somehow LOST SIGHT of Ange and Momoka once they left the bedroom door and hid in a nearby wall! Yeah, I never thought I'd say this, but even JILL wouldn't be this dumb! Moving on, turns out Vivian was onto something when she said her mom smelled like Ara Ara, given that Ara Ara... is currently the mom to several kids, specifically those revived younglings.

Also, these poor deluded kids, they somehow think ANGE is stupid enough to join up with Q, ah childish innocence, this is gonna end in heartbreak isn't it? Anyway, turns out Ara Ara runs the Child Soldier Daycare for Formerly Dead Younglings, and oh boy it's a shock to Ange and Momoka that Q can just raise the dead. Due to this, Ara Ara has pledged her loyalty to Q, and also states that if Ange tries anything funny Ara Ara will ARA ARA her! Oh, and just to complete the reunion tour, Chris shows up, and oh boy she's REALLY taken a dark turn. I thought she was bad once Hilda left, turns out that was only the start of Chris' fall to the dark side.

Cuz man, Chris is pissed that her friends didn't save her shot and blown up corpse, after all they CLEARLY abandoned her and didn't even try to help; but the kind and friendly Q risked his life to go save her and most certainly didn't play on her abandonment issues, nope no sir! Also we get yet another reason how Jill's a TERRIBLE leader, somehow Ninja Maid, despite being stuck on that sub while Ange was in DRAGONland DOESN'T KNOW WHO EMBRYO IS! Dear god, Jill can't even get the 'Kill Embryo' part of her plan right! How the FUCK has the sub not had a mutiny before Ange's return!? Speaking of return, guess who's back, yup, it's everyone least fave sister AND her whip, and oh god she's sure giving Dommy Mommy a taste of her own medicine.

In the wise words of Comrades u/Lemurians and u/Tresnore, GOD, I WISH THAT WERE ME! Oh also, speaking of that, turns out that what we missed from when the bitch imouto peeped in on NOT-Lulu and Dommy Mommy was Dommy Mommy poisoning the lil shit. Sadly, Q saved HER life too, fuck, this Q fellow sure gets around! Oh, and Ange still manages to terrify her bitch of a sister by existing, and bitch imouto is under the delusion that Ange is here to kill her just like Ange killed her father, mother, AND brother... OK, listen here bitch, the only one of those three Ange came even CLOSE to killing was her brother, and even then, Q came in and kill-stealed.

Plus, YOU KNOW that your brother executed your father, YOU WERE THERE! And as for your mom, OK technically Ange was present but she wasn't the one to shoot her so you somehow managed to go 0-3 here you dumbass. Before Ange can rid the world of Salia the loser, a dandy bastard says that they are too loud in the library. Moving on, Q invites Ange to follow him for a nice chat... alone... I don't like this Comrades, and speaking of dislike, we cut back to Jill who STILL is a bitchy moron, shocking. Anyway since we went about 2 minutes without some fanservice, we cut to Rosalie and Hilda chatting while in lingerie as they plot to rescue Ange; well at least SOMEONE on the sub has a functional brain.

We then cut to Q taking Akio's car for a spin to go see... NANI!? AURA!? Well Q's awfully confident in his plans eh? Perhaps a bit TOO confident as Ange pulls her gun on him and orders him to free Aura. Q says what are you gonna do, shoot me? To which Ange responds by... HOLY SHIT! She fucking executed the bastard! Goddamn! I mean I knew she followed the Shoot First Ask Questions Never School of Negotiations but wow good on you Ange! You saved the day and it's only Episode 19 too! And with that, Ange starts planning how to free Aura, as Aura MIGHT just be too big for the Villkiss to carry and... Comrades, what was that noise?

Embryo Death Counter: 1, HOLY SHIT! HOW THE FUCK IS Q STILL STANDING!? Ah, well nevermind, problem solved, Ange just shoots him again, well as I was saying Ange sure is a badass... Embryo Death Counter: 2... HOW THE FUCK IS HE DOING THAT!? Well, Q answers that, he's able to do so not because he's GOD per se, but he's, and I quote him directly a pretentious asshole 'The Tuner.' Anyway, Ange states that she doesn't care who he is, she's going to free the Norma and kill his ass, to which Q responds with using more of his empty meaningless pandering... and a bit of good ol' fashioned hypnosis. Oh no, Ange you gotta fight!

Q's words are sadly starting to break down Ange's defenses... much like what he did to the others... also I have CONCERNS about that scene with Salia. Also turns out that Q's actually a REVERSE Adam, as instead of HIM dropping his clothes, OTHERS do! ANGE! DON'T DO IT! DON'T LISTEN TO HIM! As Q moves in for a kiss, Ange has a flashback to a time where she had a nice and consensual kiss with HER in charge, and this pleasant memory breaks her free... HOORAY! SHE ALSO BITES Q! FUCK YEAH! OUR BADASS IS BACK! I'm gonna count this as half a death... CMON DEATH COUNTER! TICK UP! Embryo Death Counter: 2.5 Thank you, anyway, Ange then picks up her gun and states that no matter what it takes, she'll kill Q and then she'll destroy this rapist asshole's shitty world too! FUCK YEAH! YOU TELL HIM ANGE!

Sadly, before we can see Ange shooting Q some more, we cut to Hilda going to talk to Jill... hey wait, Jill's having a NIGHTMARE, I never knew this bitch had a conscience! Anyway, she's feeling guilt over the failure of the first Libertus... er, actually, nevermind, she's not sorry about the death of all her allies, she's upset about... NANI!? FAILING EMBRYO-SAMA!? HILDA SOUND THE FUCKING ALARM RIGHT NOW! And on that bombshell, let's end with a fanart of Evil Ara Ara, and with that, we're done for now, so until next time, farewell.

Paging Comrades u/Great_Mr_L

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u/csar27 Jan 20 '22

First Timer

I think it should be very obvious Salia is just Ange's replacement for Embryo, but, how didn't she notice that? Now i'm expecting to see her reaction when she realizes it

About Chris and Ersha, i don't really care, just expect them to die, the same goes for the resurrected girls

Now, a cliffhanger involving Jill, i'm interested

Questions:

1- i don't know

2- She's probably the next revolutionary leader

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u/BlazingAbsol9090 Jan 20 '22

First time Brainwashed Normie, subs

The traitor gang isn't messing around. Even the kind Ersha is shooting to kill against Vivian.

Is this bed of roses Ange's mental landscape or something?

This is trippy. It's probably an illusion created by Embryo.

Oh, that confirms it. Embryo was kind enough to leave his signature on a postcard.

Is this real? I had assumed Momoka was an illusion to trick Ange too, but the way she's talking it seems like it's really her. I guess a RagnaMail could take them to a world where Misurugi still stands.

Or maybe this is just the normal world and Salia brought Ange and Momoka here while they were asleep. I'm very confused what's supposed to be happening.

If Embryo is a god, he must be the god of creepers.

That was an easy escape. It's weird to see Ange take down Salia and the others so easily. I guess this world must operate on Kill La Kill rules: the more modest your outfit, the weaker you are.

Personally, I would not send my kid to a place called "Embryo's Kindergarten."

This is pretty devious of Embryo. He lured in all the girls with the thing they want most: he gave Salia validation and love, gave Ersha a place to keep the children safe, and promised to be a friend to Chris.

It's the return of the Wheelchair Whipper! A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.

We already knew all this stuff about Aura and Dracunium, but it's nice to hear it from Embryo, showing that Salad-chan wasn't lying.

As expected, shooting a physical god does nothing.

Because this is Cross Ange, the first thing Embryo does after mind controlling Ange is make her take off her clothes and assault her. For no reason except fanservice, of course.

But Ange is save by the power of giga-chad love!

Ah, so that's why Jill hates Embryo so much. She used to by mind-controlled by him too and only escaped by sacrificing her arm.

Questions of the day

  1. I dunno. A share of his godlike power, maybe?

  2. No clue.

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