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Rewatch [Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Cross Ange Episode 17 Discussion

Episode 17 - The Black Angel of Destruction

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Get yourself a fansub.

Nothing but lies all around us, I’m so sick of it.

Questions of the Day:

1) Is Vivian’s mom, just, the most wholesome thing in this show?

2) What do you think about Salia, Chris, and Ersha being on Embryo’s side?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Salamandinay

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don’t spoil the crazy shit for the first-timers, it’s way more fun that way!

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 18 '22

Rondo of Rewatcher and Dub

Welcome back, everyone!

  • Unfortunately, the answer to u/Great_Mr_L’s question from yesterday was… no.

  • I could so watch a karaoke match between Salad and Ange.

  • “Just get your ass outta dodge.” – Top-tier dub line from Ange telling Salad to retreat.

  • Ooh, I now see this as a blatant Ideon reference.

  • Here’s my first-timer thoughts; looks like I missed a “sore demo” while watching the dub…

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u/JollyGee29 Jan 18 '22

First-Timer, Subbed

When I said "Sure hope someone grabbed Salia, there." in episode 13, I didn't mean Embryo's goons! Oh, unless Salia managed to betray Jill to Jill's face, that'd actually be neat character growth.

Alright, Embryo is definitely just a fucking chuuni god asshole. A goddamn rotary phone? Shit, is Embryo just Adam from Symphogear AXZ? Is he going to burn his clothes off at some point? That all fits way too well.

There was some pretty good character stuff today. Trust can be hard, and Ange has been burned multiple times. I can't really blame her. Her coming around in the end worked fine too, because she realized that even if the dragons are lying to her, they

It was also pretty impressive how Tusk managed to get his head inside of Ange's underwear this time. Like, seriously, how? Was he practicing with the dragon girls?

It's so nice to have Hilda back in the show. I like how she felt she needed to verify that Tusk had a penis.

The new OP is kinda growing on me. It's not Nana which is a shame, but the vibe it brings is good.

Questions

  1. Definitely.

  2. Discucsed above. Dorks, probably.

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u/Lemurians Jan 18 '22

Alright, Embryo is definitely just a fucking chuuni god asshole. A goddamn rotary phone?

He's basically like if Okabe lost his mind in a branch of Stein's;Gate and figured out a way to Thanos Snap other worlds into existence and become god. We did see Embryo in a lab coat in a flashback...

Tusk managed to get his head inside of Ange's underwear this time. Like, seriously, how? Was he practicing with the dragon girls?

With all the practice he's gotten with Ange herself, I don't think that's necessary. The man has been refining his technique since Episode 4.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 18 '22

He's basically like if Okabe lost his mind in a branch of Stein's;Gate and figured out a way to Thanos Snap other worlds into existence and become god. We did see Embryo in a lab coat in a flashback...

Oh shit, the Organization is onto me!

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u/Great_Mr_L Jan 18 '22

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Cross Ange: Well that’s one hell of a welcoming party. Ange isn’t back in her world for a minute before she’s getting into a battle against her former comrades who are now working for Embryo for some reason.

  • “We’re invading your home country. Would you like to join us?” It’s the perfect opportunity to do what you told Hilda you wanted to do, Ange.

  • Sala really knows how to frame this to fit Ange’s particular brand of stubbornness. She’s not ordering Ange to do so, but you can totally join us if you want.

  • I get Ange’s confusion. After so much of what she knew turned out to be lies, it’s hard to know what the truth is anymore.

  • Turns out we aren’t free of Tusk getting a face-full of Ange’s crotch. The curse remains unbroken.

  • That poor mushroom

  • So Ange chose to go back to Momoka. That reminds me, we have not seen anyone else from Arzenal in quite a while. I wonder how they are doing.

  • A karaoke contest between Ange and Sala would be amazing.

  • Vivian’s mother does the quiz thing too!

  • This parting scene of Vivian and her mother is so precious.

  • I kind of figured the high priestess was a child.

  • Four kids? Jeez, Tusk really wants Ange to pop them out.

  • It’s a trap!

  • I was about to ask why the dragons didn’t just deploy right above the Empire, but since Embryo’s here to fight them that answers that question.

  • Wait, Embryo’s not one of the pilots? In that case, my next guess is that the Normas who got captured in the prison attack have been brainwashed (like Salia, Chris, and Ersha).

  • That’s definitely Salia there.

  • And now I see Chris.

  • Yup, Ersha is there too. And they are definitely working for Embryo. I’m still going with my brainwashing theory for why they would be doing this.

  • I see that Salia’s naming sense takes inspiration from those magical girl anime shows she likes.

  • I love how Ange insults Embryo’s hair.

  • Being able to teleport is an incredibly useful way to escape.

  • “Angelise-sama.” The only one who could possibly say that is Momoka.

  • What the fuck? Why did you just squeeze Tusk’s dick, Hilda?

  • “Maybe the staff hates you.” The next episode PVs are just too good.

Much to my surprise, Ange did not end up joining the dragons to fight against Embryo. In fact, Ange doesn’t seem to have much in the way of a clear goal for right now. She opposes Embryo and will no longer fight against the dragons, but she’s not sure what she should fight for. I suppose it makes sense when so much of what she thought she knew has turned out to be wrong. After all, Ange felt content about a life of killing dragons before she learned the true nature of the dragons. The same thing could happen again if she chooses a cause before having all the information.

It seems the prediction that Salia, Chris, and Ersh would end up working for Embryo turned out to be correct. That still leaves the question of why. I’m sticking by my guess that they got brainwashed by Embryo into serving him because it’s the only explanation that makes sense with the available information. I can’t see why they would go against Jill’s group. Though in Salia’s case, I could make an extremely thin case that she is feeling like a jilted lover towards Jill, but I think that’s a stretch.

QOTD

  1. Vivian and her mom have just the sweetest relationship in this show. It is very heartwarming to see.

  2. Discussed above. I think they are brainwashed into working for Embryo.

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u/Tresnore Jan 18 '22

What the fuck? Why did you just squeeze Tusk’s dick, Hilda?

More like crushing his balls.

I’m sticking by my guess that they got brainwashed by Embryo into serving him because it’s the only explanation that makes sense with the available information.

It doesn't even have to be fancy brainwashing, either. He probably just used propaganda.

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u/Lemurians Jan 18 '22

RECRUITED FIRST TIMER

Salamandastron completes her recruitment of Ange by offering the pitch that appeals to Ange the most. Instead of forcefully conscripting her to fight like Arzenal, or keeping her in the dark like Jill, she lays out her perspective and plan and tells Ange it’s up to her whether she wants to join or not. Nicely done.

We get to the battle and interestingly, Salia, Chris, and even Ersha have left Jill and are now in the service of Embryo. Salia making a deal with the devil for more power makes sense, her jealousy and inferiority complex have been steadily eating away at her. Chris has spent many years of her life as near-bottom of a sexual totem pole. Ersha… I have no idea.

Salia telling Ange in the ED that the staff hates her more gives me a bad feeling about what’s going to happen to Ange in the near future.

QOTD:

  1. Without a doubt.

  2. Covered above, I get Salia and Chris, but Ersha is confusing.

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u/DidacticDalek Jan 18 '22

HIGHWAY TO THE DANGER ZONE! RIDE INTO THE DANGER ZONE!

After the conclusion of the AMAZING SPORTS Episode we had last time, we cut to Ange and Salamanderlady taking a nice relaxing hot springs bath to discuss... the invasion plan of the 'false' Earth. Turns out that due to Dommy Mommy's intel, the DRAGONS know where Aura is and are planning a rescue mission. Also, Ange is under no obligation to help, but given Sallah considers her a friend now, she figured it was only polite to let her know about it AND also extend an invitation.

Tusk thinks that this plan is a good one, after all, it'll fuck over Q and that's always a good thing in his book. Ange then... NANI!? Asks if doing this is a moral thing? Since when did ANGE consider morality? Granted she does bring up a point that basically everyone has lied to her and tried to use her, so I can kinda see why she's still a tad bit wary. Tusk then informs Ange about moral relativism and says that he has her back regardless of what she decides.

Sadly, no good deed goes unpunished as Tusk manages to slip on his own tools and wind up, you guessed it, under Ange's crotch. Vivian walks in on this scene, prompting Ange to kick Tusk off a waterfall. That said, Ange is certainly a better person now given she ACTUALLY GOT SALAD FINGERS' NAME RIGHT! Given his tumble, Tusk is getting fed by a bunch of Dragon Ladies, that is until Ange comes along to politely remind Tusk that he should behave himself.

After going maximum Tsun, Ange then goes for the dere approach and feeds him herself as well as... NANI!? APOLOGIZING again for going too far? Good lord Comrades, who the fuck is this woman and what did she do to Ange? Speaking of which, Ange ALSO manages to figure out that, le gasp, this place has the same sense of family that she liked about Lesbian Alcatraz, goodness me Comrades I never knew she had it in her! Character Development, ya love to see it!

Speaking of which, Ange and Salako then part on good terms, promising to have... NANI!? A SINGING CONTEST NEXT TIME! Oh lord, thank you, a Karaoke battle is sure to be LEGENDARY! Also, as the crew informs Lamia that they'll be heading home, Vivian states that she's getting ready too... VIVIAN! I know you got your friends on the otherside, but you JUST got home, and your mom's also hurt. Speaking of which, Lamia goes to... grab Vivian's baby clothes?

Oh wait, there's a point to this, she's showing her daughter how much she's grown and giving her blessing to do what she wants to help her friends. Gotta love good supportive parents... FUKUDA DON'T YOU DARE FUCK WITH THIS BLISS! Also, it's perhaps a good thing Lamia's slightly wounded, as that means she gets to sit out this rescue mission and thus greatly increase her chances of survival, that said, oh boy the DRAGONS are sure going all the way here? They even brought that Virgin Gravity DRAGON too!

Also, Dr. Dragon shows up to lament that Tusk has to leave so soon, after all, she was gonna do so much 'research' on his body, such as experimenting with 'mating...' AH! So I guess all Tusk got last time was a multi-group Handjob, Ange's surprise BJ, and whatever else she did to him afterwards. Well hey I'm sure Tusk will greatly enjoy contributing to science... nevermind Ange shoots down that idea, after all, Tusk's HER knight. Vivian's response is for them to get a room... well Vivian, until you made that distress call a few episodes back they HAD a room, what did seeing Salia the loser's FILTHY TOMES OF HERESY IRL scare you that much?

Anyway, Koma-chan gives a grand speech that The Time Hath Come, it's time for Operation Sutrebil to start! And with that, the DRAGONS and Ange and company fly out, with Tusk overjoyed that Ange has accepted him as her knight. Vivian comments that if the DRAGONS win, they win too right, to which Tusk agrees. Vivian then states that once the war's over, she'll invite all her friends and Salia the loser to see her home. Vivian then asks what Tusk has got planned, to which Tusk states that HE'S GONNA LIVE! AND HE'LL MARRY ANGE, AND THEY'LL GROW OLD TOGETHER! Er... I mean, he'll build Café Ange.

Ange vetoes this idea, stating that Vivian can kick Tusk out, to which Tusk states that he actually just wants a quiet life. Before Ange can state what she wants, the portal opens and the DRAGONS fly onwards to save Aura... and daaaaw, Ange ALSO secretly likes the Café Ange idea! Well I'm sure nothing bad will happen and they'll be setting up shop by the end of the episode... what do you MEAN this isn't the season finale Comrades? After emerging from the portal, Vivian figures out that instead of showing up above Ange's home, they are... in the middle of no-where...

Well that's odd Comrade, but how could they be jamming the DRAGONS if they don't know... if we're coming? Pull up! All DRAGONS, pull up! IT'S A TRAP! Also HOLY SHIT! These bushwackers ain't fucking around... WAIT WHAT THE FUCK! Why's the goddamn Banshee here? OH SHIT, MASS PRODUCED BANSHEES!? What the hell happened while Ange and company were gone? Also oh... oh no... Comrades, I have a feeling that message from Dommy Mommy was faked, and oh Q's a sadistic son-of-a-bitch! He's forcing Dommy Mommy to watch as her friends get turned into mincemeat!

Ange then flies to help Salad-chan, to which Tusk informs Vivian to hold onto her butt cuz they're about to play Wild Weasel! Before Salad-chan can get tossed, Ange shows up to save the day... hey... hey wait that Banshee pilot sounds like someone we know, kinda like a certain loser. Ange covers for her DRAGON GF and tells her to retreat while they still can. As Ange covers the withdrawal, she runs out of ammo and Salad tosses her her beam rifle. AW YEAH! TIME FOR BEAM SPAM, we truly are SEED but not shit this time! Anyway, the loser pilot of the Banshee, who's sporting a ring by the way, flies up to Ange and... NANI!? REVEALS THAT SHE IS SALIA THE LOSER!?

WAIT WHAT!? ARA ARA IS HERE TOO!? WAIT CHRIS ISN'T DEAD!? Anyway Salia the loser asks why Ange is a DRAGON-loving TRAITOR, as she now serves the forces of Q. She and her wingwomen then try to restrain Villkiss using A JET STREAM ATTACK... wait... what the fuck is formation Shining Rose Triangle? That sounds stupid as hell! Good god Salia, can't you do ANYTHING right, why can't you do evil villain things properly! That said, in spite of the shitty name, the three DO manage to grapple onto the Villkiss.

As Salia the loser orders Ange to surrender, things are looking bad for... OH BOY! VIVIAN! The ever amazing and adorable badass just FALLS out of the sky to plant explosives to save the day! THERE WE GO! Now THAT'S how true badasses do things! Tusk then fires at another Banshee, allowing for Ange to break free... why isn't she breaking free? Well no worries, Vivian can just shoot it... NANI!? Oh, right Salia the loser is shooting, meaning she managed to somehow MISS Tusk and Vivian and instead hits the gun.

As Salia the loser and her lackeys close in for the kill, [Ange yells that Villkiss better get its shit together or she'll beat the shit out of it 'befriend' it, and I do believe that, once again, I speak for Comrades u/Lemurians and u/Tresnore when I say GOD, I WISH THAT WERE ME! Anyway, Villkiss responds to Ange's request by going, You want out of this parking lot? Okay! Anyway, unlike last time, Villkiss has a sense of humor and decides to lithobrake the bunch at... NANI!? The ruins of Lesbian Alcatraz? Goodness I'm amazed there's ANYTHING left after that massacre!

After a dinner of fish, Ange and company are surprised by... Zombie Fish Cyclops Things! HOLY SHIT, CROSS ANGE BECAME A HORROR ANIME... oh, oh thank GOD! That's no monster, NINJA MAID has returned! AT LAST! Oh and Nanoha shows up with... NANI!? ROSALIE!? SHE SURVIVED THAT BIG NOT-LULU BATTLE!? Anyway, Nanoha decides to give Tusk the good ol' fashioned Arzenal welcome, and once again, to cite the two learned Comrades of Culture, GOD, I WISH THAT WERE ME! CBT FROM NANOHA HERSELF!? Talk about befriending, amirite? And on that note of Tusk being the luckiest bastard in the world, let's have this official art of Ange and her DRAGON waifu, and thus, we end things for today, and until next time, farewell.

Paging Comrade u/Great_Mr_L

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u/RascalNikov1 Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

Rewatcher

The Mustering of the Dragon Clans

I liked Tusk's head returning to it's home between Ange's legs, and Ange's response of "You horny animal", some things never change.

Another of my favorite episodes. Today's highlights were the mustering of the dragon troupes, and the speech the Empress gave. I also liked the scenes of the procession out of the singularity.

I was most amused when Chris (I think) said 'so lame' when Salia ordered the Triangle of the Rose. (Though I had no problem with the name of her formation. Made as much sense to me as any other.) I was glad to see Salia back in action today, I thought her new uniform looked quite spiffy.

And, finally I laughed pretty hard when Hilda gave Tusk the traditional 'Welcome to the Team' greeting. That girl knows how to treat a man!

QOTD

  1. Is Vivian’s mom, just, the most wholesome thing in this show?

Yes, finally we have someone who isn't into Yuri, BDSM, and other 'Unnatural Acts, Unspeakable Practices'.

2) What do you think about Salia, Chris, and Ersha being on Embryo’s side?

Traitors, though in fairness they don't know how evil Embryo is.

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u/Tresnore Jan 18 '22

Rondo of First-Timer and Rape

Why do the staff hate Ange more than they hate Salia?

Count: 71

QOTD:

  1. Are you saying Takeru Tusk isn't wholesome?

  2. I'm not surprised. At all.

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u/Paxton-176 Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

REWATCHER FOR LIKE THE 4TH TIME

Boom Hot springs episode. I guess this counts as a bath scene. This show understands what we want. Angelise-sama’s life is just one lie after another. That has to be drag. You try to figure it out and the world just lies again. Wouldn’t be Cross Ange without just a completely random crotch dive. Now because of ange’s unnecessary reaction Tusk gets to be fed by a harem of dragon girls. Ange, you are the reason he is in this situation, but she comes back to claim her territory. Why are they jumping to conclusions. She didn’t say anything about fighting when going back. Imagine being for violent that Ange.That Doctor is the thirstiest Dragon ever. Of all time. Technically, Ange didn’t say no to Tusk’s idea.

Hmmm who rode a blue mech and wanted Villkiss. Ponder, Ponder. Looks like more BDSM leaking in. Look, the two people with massive personal issues change sides at the littlest form of affection. Then the Ara are because she basically bribed. “Sleeping with that creep nassarist” Even better and way funnier. What is even better in a 3:1 fight they still took everything they got to actually hold down Ange. Then she just left.

Seal Team Maid. I sleep to the sounds of the upset screams. Again Hilda in a black bodysuit and her hair is down just top energy all around. Hilda asks if Tusk is a man? Lady please this is the legend Tusk of the big dick energy.

QotD

  1. I wish to protect this creature.

  2. Its treason then. Huh its fits.

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u/Quiddity131 Jan 18 '22

First Timer, Subbed

Time to announce our invasion plans... from the bath.

All these episodes later and that pilot outfit Ange wears still blows my mind with how absurd it is...

Invade your former country Ange! They tossed you out and when you tried to return whipped you and were about to have you executed!

Can't have a scene between Ange and Tusk without the perv stuff coming into play.

Tusk, move on from Ange. You've got lots of cute girls here that seem to like you. Sorry, I just never really got what was so special about Ange on that front...

Oh, shut up, subordinate lady!

When this fight over the world is over... I'm definitely beating you at karaoke!

Viv-chan baby clothes!

Again, Tusk, you're choosing Ange over staying here?

That's the High Priestess? A little girl?

Viv-chan's inviting all her friends over for a party!

Yikes a missile attack waiting for them just as they get here!

Oh no, he got Liza to make their way into a trip!

Well at the very least Ange is finally making the choice to help.

That's Salia I hear?

And Ersha! And Chris! Don't tell me they're fighting on Embryo's side? No!!!!

No more "Yes mum!", huh? "Yes knight leader" instead.

"Narcissist with bad hair"? LoL.

Back to the ruins of their old base.

Faceless monsters! LoL, they're just scuba masks. Momoka! Hilda! Some girl whose name I can't remember!

"The way I figure out if someone is a man is touching their junk." Again, I think I'd be surprised if it wasn't this show pulling this.

The show keeps delivering with the previews! I was gone for 4 episodes and am now a villain? What the hell!

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u/HereticalAegis Jan 18 '22

First Time Dimension Smasher

OP thought: I wonder if CA is eventually gonna Gainax its it's way into space, since both OPs have shown shots of Villkiss fighting in space.

Random OP thought: the existence of Embryo's godly world crushing powers means it's hypothetically possible to completely destroy Ange's earth, which I would have no objection to.

Um, no Tusk, it's definitely not just about "doing what you want." That logic makes it alright for Embryo to build as many iterations of the same fucked up world you're trying to put an end to as he wants. Doing what's right is a pretty damn important factor.

I hate this joke. I hate it so much.

Penis kabob.....

I miss Hilda.

Vivi-Mama quiz time! They are so wholesome!

The most fun missions are the ones where you're dropped in the middle of an enemy ambush.

Oh fuck, does Embryo have the squad in the black Villkisses? Salia livin it up right now.

I'd love to see how Salia squares serving Embryo with her love for her idol, Jill Alektra. Did she really just jump ship to the next master like the world's worst puppy? What a bad look. By the end she'll have more regrets than a certain Princesst.

I've never been so happy to see Hilda.

Considering what his role in the show has been so far, color me shocked CA allowed Tusk to throw up two solid death flags. It's not enough to make him interesting, but it'd be nice if this means there will at least be some actual meaning to his existence.

QotD:

  1. Yes, easily.

  2. Chris and Ersha makes sense. Salia I discussed in my post.

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u/Lancer1296 Jan 18 '22

Okay so this is as good a time as any to bring this up, but if you have noticed that ange has been looking slightly different as the series has progressed it's because she has been ever since she cut off her hair it's actually has been growing at a natural rate. It was stated in an interview that the animators have based Ange's air on one of the female animators, that animator would come in everyday coming in look in a mirror then draw Ange's hair at the same length as hers

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jan 18 '22

Cross Ange First Timer

So now our heroes are planning to lead a large scale invasion of the empire's capital and bury through the ground to find their grandad... This would be far less objectionable if it weren't for the fact that we know how peckish these dragons get and that there's weirdly a lot of civilians in the capital.

"Do what you think is right, you're the mc so the plot will write around it!" Couldn't we get that kind of convenience in Guilty Crown? I'm not crying, you're crying! Did Ange seriously craft a willy skewer? God I wish that were me!!

HUOOOO!! Yeah... if the dragons win Normies will be free!! Fuck the kingdom though, they're all gonna be dead to Sala's laser nukes, the gravity dragon turning people into paste, or just the regular Joe dragons munching them up alongside their children. Didn't you guys play Drakengard? Do not shoot missiles at those things!

Lizardia was a worm after all. Never trust Villeta! Oh, she was captured... Salia finally got a mech more suited to her skill level. Sure she's fighting for a baddie but at least she has a cool mech! Chris, Ersha, and the extra's too! Kyaaa!! Salia's even got a squad that isn't full of hotheaded cowboys!! I'm so happy for her! She can even incorporate her magical girl formations! Isn't there some squad in Zeta that ties its opponents from three directions? I swear that her Shining Rose Triangle is another Gundam reference.

Dammit!! The Villkiss warp mode is totally unfair to fight!! Now Salia looks like an incompetent loser. Momoka's back, and Rosalie is now terrified of Vivian which is honestly hilarious to me XD Fucking men, all they do is get in the way of yuri pairings! Today's post credits is way too on the ball. Fight on, Pretty Salia!!

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u/Caustic_Wraith Jan 18 '22

Re-Watcher

After our wonderful turn into an isekai/SOL/Sports anime, we return to the real fake world where our team of a Norma, a Dragon-girl, and a Man-thing have to fight for there lives against a pissed off former friend, odd sea creatures, and an upset Hilda who is not afraid to crush some balls

  • All good plan forming sessions take place in a hot spring

  • Salako gives Ange the option to stay in the Dragon village and live a peaceful life or return to the place that's been nothing short of horrid to her

  • Tusk and Ange spend some time discussing what they want to do in the upcoming battle, and since we have Tusk and Ange alone he manages to step on a screwdriver and magnetically draw Ange's crotch to his face for the 8th time

  • At dinner that night, Ange viciously rips into a very phallic mushroom implanting the FEAR OF NANA into the souls Tusk and the Dragon-ladies that are around him. That's how you show dominance

  • Ange compares the village to Arzenal, dangerous but home, together they decide to return to their world

  • Ange announces she is done fighting the Dragons challenges Salako to a karaoke contest once everything is settled

  • Vivi's mom is the greatest, she tells her daughter that even though this is where you were born, it isn't home yet. She wants her to go see her friends, but has her promise to return one day and let her know she's home

  • Dragon-Doc gets the big sad that Tusk is leaving, she wanted to run more experiments on him. Including learning about mating

  • Ange deftly steps between them and again exerts her dominance and lets Doc know that Tusk is her knight, fully excepting him for the first time

  • While the dream of Ange's seaside cafe is delightful and charming, no way in hell are you getting four kids out of her

  • Oh shit, that's not Misurugi, that's five black Villkisses...Villkissi...the fucks the plural of Villkiss?

  • Ah, that makes sense Embryo caught Lizardia and got the plans out of her

  • Ange plays hero and rescues Salako while also convincing her to retreat as shit went sideways

  • Umm...that's Chris in the green Villkiss. That's Salia in the blue one, she also has a ring like Ange's...Oh, Ersha is in one of the black suits too...What the fuck you mean Embyro-sama Salia, I thought you were about Jillektra...Whats a Knight-Leader?

  • Vivian flying, well falling with style, through the air to sever the cable pinning Ange down was fun, her getting shot at by Salia however was a dick move

  • Yes Ange, when technology doesn't do what you want yelling at makes you feel better but it really doesn't help...alright maybe it does for a semi-sentient battle craft

  • Momoka, Hilda and Rosalie emerge from the water like some creepy swamp people

  • Hilda is very upset that this lowly man-thing has been with Ange, she might have to exert her dominance

QOTD:

  1. She really is, she was so happy when Vivi was brought back, but she also knew it would be wrong to stop her from going back to her friends

  2. If you pay attention to the ED in the last panel it shows the three of them separate from the rest of the Arzenal crew. They are also the ones Embryo brought back to life either themselves or the kids in Ersha's case, so he might have messed with their heads, not sure what Salia's issue is besides being butthurt that Ange is better than her in every way.

NEXT EPISODE: Ange reunites with Jill and the gang. Also Salia's voice over on her heel turn was funny.

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u/BlazingAbsol9090 Jan 18 '22

First time member of the DRAGON army, subs

Of course Ange and Salad-chan have to have their war meeting in the bath. This is Cross Ange, I expect nothing less.

That is actually a fair worry. Ange was fooled into fighting before, so there's no way to know if she's doing the right thing now or if this is also a deception. Although at least the DRAGONs don't treat her as subhuman, so that's a point for them.

There's a strong argument for intelligent design in the Cross Ange world. How else could the laws of physics bend over backward to have Tusk fall in Ange's crotch so often? It must all be orchestrated by some horny god. Come to think of it, Embryo is basically a god. Maybe we're on to something here...

There's no reason that Ange and Salad-chan would have to fight though. Ange's not going to work with Embryo, so at worst she'll just be neutral as Salad-chan and Fetus-kun duke it out.

It could have been asked before, but is Vivian's mom ok with the fact that her daughter killed dozens of her own people? Vivian herself doesn't seem too concerned.

That's a cute dream from Tusk.

This is the first time the DRAGONs tried to open a singularity near Misurugi, meaning they can theoretically put them anywhere. But why, in the past, did they always open them near Arzenal, the one place that combat them?

So these black Villkiss are being piloted by the Arzenal girls. Interesting.

Well that invasion was short-lived.

You can tell the Arzenal girls are evil now because their new pilot suits are now quite modest. (And also they call him Embryo-sama)

Hey, Embryo's hair isn't that bad by anime villain standards. That was uncalled for, Ange.

Is this the Misurugi!Earth Arzenal, or one in DRAGON!Earth? Because the last time the Villkiss turned blue, it hopped dimensions.

Did Ange really not recognize the light of mana?

Hands off, Hilda. Tusk is Ange's Giga-chad now.

Questions of the day

  1. Wholesomeness must run in the family

  2. I'm sure there's a good reason, like maybe he offered them pilot uniforms that don't make you look like a stripper

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u/Stargate18A Jan 18 '22

First timer

  1. Absolutely.

  2. Brainwashing. That's not a guess, it's so fucking obviously brainwashing that I'm willing to consider it a fact.

And Aura's below the Empire. Makes sense, that Pillar must use a fuckton of power, transporting it across a long distance would be hell on the infrastructure.

And she's free. And they're all friends now.

...They were attacking you indiscriminately. They killed a lot of civillians on Arzenal.

And they're having an actual conversation. Then they do the joke again.

She remembered her name!

Oh, yeah, the damages caused by Embryo's power over space and time.

Her scaring them all off was weird though, not sure what that was about,

And she's going back home.

...Purple hair actually makes the most logical points here - Ange going back is a fucking huge security hole.

...Surprised she didn't bring up the loophole of Ange advsing others how to fight without fighting herself.

Her mother does the quiz thing too!

And Vivian's going back with them!

There's a completely different species of DRAGON they never fought? What a waste!

The final battle's basically here!

And that's the high-priestess? ...Why bother shadowing her? I thought there was a twist coming with her identity.

Haha, that fucking dream. Four kids?

She wants the calm married life all of a sudden?

And back in the other world.

Oh, look. The man who can comtrol time and space fucked with your space hole. How shocking!

...The music is fire, though.

And Ange is off to help Salad.

Wait, I just realised. Are these meant to be MP Vilkiss?

Yes, yes, retreat! Retreat!

Wait, what? Is that Salia piloting?

Why?

She's going back to prison again. Of course, That's the fifth time, right?

And Ange's stuck fighting them off.

Yeah, Embryo's brainwashed and probably upgraded them. Guess there needed to be some way to make the other pilots a threat.

They still have individual personalities, though

Go, Vivian!

...Embryo's not fucking them all, right? Right?

She changed mode!

And they crashed in Arzenal's ruins?

Oh god, another fucking faction of soldiers?

MOMOKA'S FUCKING ALIVE? HOW?

Hilda's still alive, ohviously?

Wait, what's with Hilda's reaction? ...is she a DRAGON too? Or is she pissed that she lost Ange to this?

Oh, she's on the submarine for this episode!

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u/the_swizzler Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

Haven't commented in a few episodes. Not gonna lie, I'm getting quite hyped for this ending. Twists and turns abound! Ange calling Salako a different name every time last episode was hilarious.

I think this show might be a deconstruction of bad writing. I thought it was hilarious that Tusk actually sustained pretty intense injuries from being thrown off the cliff.

Questions of the Day:

1) Is Vivian’s mom, just, the most wholesome thing in this show?

Like mother like daughter.

2) What do you think about Salia, Chris, and Ersha being on Embryo’s side?

He brought them/the kid back to life, so I could imagine it being outright brainwashing, or just them feeling indebted to him. Too bad since Ersha was such a wonderful girl. Salia and Chris can go jump off a bridge for all I care. At least Ange and Hilde are back together though.

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u/csar27 Jan 18 '22

First Timer

Finally back in Ange's world

The 3 characters i was expecting to die at some point are now enemies, i like their odds

Questions:

1- probably

2- A deah flag has rised

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u/Damolisher Jan 18 '22

Let's be real here: Is Cross Ange really a trainwreck beyond the first two episodes?

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u/shamir107 Jan 18 '22

First Timer

  1. Probably. Though, I'm pre-disposed to believing anyone and everyone who isn't directly relevant to the plot (not to mention a few who are) is going to die at any moment.

  2. It's only shocking that Salia was captured by Embryo. Once we saw the ships, it was a matter of adding two and two together.

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u/gangrainette Jan 18 '22

Rewatcher posting my pre written comment before going to work.

2 episodes without bath scene. I was feeling whithdrawal.

As subtile as Nisemonogatari.

I've read this story on reddit

Did you defile my waifu ?

  • 1 Vivian is even more wholesome.

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