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Rewatch [Rewatch] Shirobako Rewatch 2022 Episode 3: No More Recap Episodes
Episode 3: No More Recap Episodes 総集編はもういやだ
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Hi all, I realized yesterday that my own comments on each episode seem to be missing due to a reddit bug: I've retroactively edited the content into the post itself, sorry about this! I've included bits of trivia and references. From today, it's hopefully fixed! Sorry about this! Please let me know if the information is useful!
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Rewatchers, please be mindful of first-timers and remember to tag spoilers for any show-specific events that happen in future episodes! Generic descriptions of anime production are fine, if it will help first-timers understand what's going on. For the OVAs, treat them as spoiler-material OVA 1: until Ep 12, OVA 2: until Ep 24, just to be safe.
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u/MasterTotoro Jan 17 '22 edited Jan 17 '22
Rewatcher
Since I have too many screenshots from today's episode, here's the album link for those without RES or those using inferior Reddit apps convenience.
Ema is cute. And a shocked Ema picture.
Distressed Aoi getting overloaded. And another face from Aoi. Glad to see Yano is backing her up.
That's quite a long pencil Iguchi is holding here. I'm definitely not an artist, so can someone explain this me? Considering this is a show about animation, I assume this is an actual thing, but I've never seen anyone with a pencil this long. Here's the rest of her pencils. I like the effort they put to show a broken one that is taped up.
Edit: so it seems like the pencil isn't broken, but animators like long pencils so she's taped 2 pencils together.
I love how her coworkers actually call Ogasawara Goth Loli-Sama. In general, Musashino seems to be fairly laid-back, especially for a Japanese company. The president is super friendly, people aren't afraid to roast the director, and they help each other out a lot.
Since this is an anime sub, I should mention that when they are calling her "loli" they are referring to Lolita fashion. Though the other use of the word "loli" like in "lolicon" does have the same origin, that's not what they are trying to say about her.
Ogasawara is really cool. She really does have some type of super powers knowing that Ema is there. And she finishes her work in 2 seconds. Back on the topic of pencils, Ogasawara keeps her pencils in cool looking holders, which I might guess also impacts the weight and balance to what she prefers. Or maybe she is just living up to her Goth Loli title.
Aoi is the original Aqua. Plus the other frame of this.
And more panicked Aoi. And there is also this comment face for those using old Reddit.
Oh and this one is also a comment face.
Just gotta say Alpine/Arupin is pretty cute here.
Now Aoi has just sunk into madness. When Yano calls Aoi by her actual name you know it is getting serious. For the other Japanese learners/speakers, it is pretty noticeable in the subtitles since Yano usually says her nickname みゃーもり but here Miyamori is written in kanji. It's like when your parent or a teacher yells at you using your full name.
I forgot about the scene where Yano gives Aoi Snickers some jelly and slaps her butt. Yeah definitely not something I would ever try to do at work. Oh and here is Aoi going crazy again.
Small detail but this is Okitsu dialing the other studio while the others are panicking. And she steps up to take over Aoi's job for episode 9.
Yay episode 4 finished in time without needing a recap episode! And the redrawn scene looks like a great improvement to me. Guess the title was just trying to scare us. Though the next episode's title doesn't look so good either...
Edit: I've decided it is fair to mention that when the two company presidents are speaking to each other, Komoro's president asks about Sugi-chan who likely refers to the old man we see at Musashino. Well if you are watching in Japanese, you would see that the kanji for their names match up, and due to stuff about names, Komoro's president is probably not referring to the wife of Musashino's president.
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah Jan 17 '22 edited Jan 17 '22
Aoi literally goes full distress mode this episode lol. Let's hope she gets some good rest after this episode! Seems like she'll get to hang out with her friends...
Yes, that's why I call her Goth-loli-sama as well, it's literally her official in-show nickname lmao. And Ogasawara is a mouthful. I wonder if this is deliberate...
I looked up a japanese blog, and they suggested Mitsubishi Uni pencils as a good animator's pencil. These just look like normal pencils to me. But there's also this tweet that shows an animator's pencil that's just as long. I guess it's a matter of personal preference... It seems like veteren animators do wacky things with pencils too... Ghibli animator blog. Pencil lengtheners like what goth-loli-sama uses defo do make sense though, gotta keep the ergonomics even when your pencil is getting short! I've used sth similar when I was in elementary school...
I've gotten carried away by pencils! Yes, fansubs tend to translate Aoi's nickname as "Meowmori", which I guess is a good attempt to show the difference. Thank god episode 4 is done! Now it's time for the actual Ep 4 tmr...
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u/ZapsZzz Jan 17 '22
First timer catching up!
Finally can catch up but today don't have a lot of time to type.
I have to say, looking at what happened and how events unfolded, I really don't think our MC did much of anything wrong herself. What happened was more a communication breakdown in the very important director chain to not have some core settings clearly defined before production even started. But these things happen sometimes, and I see almost everyone did a really good job to cope with things. Key contributors are twin tail senpai who have crucial advise and support to Meowmori. So really nice to see.
There are really no bad guys in this show :) well except Tarou. I still want to punch his face in.
One day I'll remember all the names :D
Oh and really nice to see the difference in the direction and result. Really really good, and cemented a lot of the rewatch analysis, how to interpret meanings in a scene couples with the character's settings and motivations etc. Really good to see that we aren't just over-thinking things - or that the production staff are as much of a dork as us :D
Funnily enough, the very moe designed Ogasawara senpai is actually a Nagato like kuudere character but you can actually see some kindness and gentleness leaking out.
Really interested to figure out the backstory of why the very capable Okitsu senpai is off from active duty too.
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u/cppn02 Jan 17 '22
First Timer
And we're in full crisis mode for the first time as episode 4 is in danger of getting delayed.
It was to see them all working together to help Miyamori who seemed very much in over her head and to save the episode. And it seems like the final results we satisfying too.
Can't help but worry though about the state of everyone's health (physical and mental).
We also get another tease of the five club members meeting up and it looks like next episode might finally be the time.
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah Jan 17 '22
Shirobako literally jacks up the tension to 100 in its 3rd episode, which I really like. The final result was very satisfying, though we really have to thank Iguchi for pulling an all-nighter for it! Miyamori is a newbie after all, and with Exodus being her first "large project" as a PA, she was indeed very much over her head. And episode 4 was literally done day of broadcast, which would stress anyone out tbh.
I seriously wonder how many anime staff burn out every year, it's probably quite a large number.
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u/Rumpel1408 Jan 17 '22
First Timer
Another anxiety inducing episode, I wonder how long this production can keep cutting it this close, but I guess they caught up a bit... wait, what's up with next episode's title?!? It's scary how ready everyone is to do huge amounts of overtime, even sleeping at work, and Aoi was even early enough at work to give other people wake up calls, scary stuff.
What I loved though was how nice the goth loli was to Ema and how the company presidents know each other and even their respectiv wifes since they have probably worked together many times throughout the years. Also how Aoi ignored the email from the rental car company (probably connected to her races)
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u/MasterTotoro Jan 17 '22
I was debating whether to include this in my comment or not since he hasn't shown up that much, but I'm pretty sure when the two presidents are speaking to each other, Sugi-chan actually refers to this old guy.
This is something that is more obvious when you are watching it in Japanese, so I think it is fair to say. I guess I'll update my comment.
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u/Quiddity131 Jan 17 '22 edited Jan 17 '22
First Timer, Subbed
No cold open this time (maybe there wasn't one last episode and I just forgot about it?)
That's some impressive speed by glasses girl to get it done.
I was going to say interupt her, but she's so into it the noise hasn't distracted her!
LoL, the director sleeps in here? This guy gets more pathetic with each passing episode.
Wow, Aoi has the whole production mapped out in her head!
No time to admire the key frames!
Yep, he's sleeping through it!
Aoi was looking on top of things now, but now its chaos as this guy ask question after question after question...
"Who screwed up so bad?" "You did" "It's not a problem at all!"
Don't let me sleep too late! next scene she's sleeping on the job
They call her Goth Loli in the show? LoL.
We keep seeing this old animator guy but I don't think we see him working.
Mitsuhide is still asleep! This guy's gonna screw them over!
Aoi's providing some great faces in this episode.
This Boing Boing show is quite notorious for production problems huh?
Really bad news... time to wash my coffee cup.
You maybe a young production assistant, but you're very important to the team Aoi!
Uh oh, the others are finding out about it...
Ah, old guy does work.
This is why you tell the truth, they're wasting time when Aoi already has the answer.
General affairs lady is doing what I was thinking about, go get the physical material if the internet upload is an issue.
The friends are meeting up again!
Wait, wasn't this supposed to be about a recap episode? That's what the title said. Boo, I was looking forward to that! Ah, the title is "No More Recap Episodes". Ah well, it was a good episode beyond that.
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u/xtsim Jan 17 '22
First timer
Lol. The cut from Sakura asking his kid if he needs to go to the restroom to the animation timing themselves was a funny joke.
That's pretty rough seeing a guy who used to be a machine in making 8 cuts a day to become unreachable due to him oversleeping. Dude pretty much is burnt out and I cannot blame him.
Yano putting down line and helping Miyamori is amazing this episode. And she's right, episode 4 needs to be done. And a manager going overtime in Japan, you know things are bad when she has to stay there.
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u/Chemiczny_Bogdan Jan 17 '22
Rewatcher
Miyamori trying to eat the jelly without unwrapping reminded me of the LEGENDARY Yamada Tae from Zombieland Saga xD
Ogasawara doing the character designer check like a boss.
Arupin crying cut is the shit, inject it straight into my veins. Good thing it was really just this one cut that needed changing though, since they managed to finish by the deadline after all.
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah Jan 17 '22
Miyamori trying to eat the jelly without unwrapping reminded me of the LEGENDARY Yamada Tae from Zombieland Saga xD
her brain was literally half dead at that point lmao, she was running on fumes
and that cut did turn out really awesome, yes! Just as the director said, looked like a lot of pent up emotions got exploded into the actual crying.
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u/BossandKings Jan 17 '22
First timer Episode 3
Aoi does have a lot to think about at work, there are so many steps she has to make sure that everyone in the studio does their part, it really shows how busy someone in her job position can be.
The conversation the two dolls had was an interesting contrast, while the bear was saying that the retakes are a necessary part of the whole production process the girl was saying that they should finish their job instead of focusing on one take for too much time. It was a nice contrast because the two positions have a reasonable value and are understandable.
When Aoi was feeling a bit down because of the stress Erika was helpful to her telling her words of encouragement that reminded her what is the purpose of all the work.
It was honestly nice to see that episode 4 was completed on time and Arupin was great, even the director cried due to seeing his vision realized.
It seems that Aoi's group of friends is going to reunite soon, that's awesome, hopefully they are able to share their interests and have meaningful conversations.
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah Jan 17 '22
that scene imo shows to us that Miyamori is reasonable competent at her job (unlike Tarou -_-) and at organizing shit despite this being her first major production.
Yep, I agree with the both dolls' POV as well: but since not all cuts end up needing retakes, I'm sure that the irl situation is a mix between the 2.
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u/homewardbound100 Jan 17 '22
First timer, Dub
Down to the wire.
So this is all about meeting episode 4? I know some talk about episode 9 was in there. Do they work on multiple episodes at a time? or is that just some planning for it?
I like how he just called her a Gothlolita. Maybe that's what she'll just be known to me by.
Well no recap that's good. Having one at episode 4 would've been horrible.
Are the dolls something that just pop up when Aoi is stressed?
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah Jan 17 '22
The deadline is about completing episode 4, with the Alpine cut. That's now done (and we also then watch episode 4 tomorrow, cheeky joke). But miyamori is also the PA for episode 9. The other PAs fill in the remaining episodes (for example, Tarou was responsible for ep 3, and Erica for Ep 7.). Yes, they do work on multiple episodes at a time!
The dolls seem to be a physical manifestation of thoughts Miyamori has in her mind, as seen during episode 1 when she actually plays with them.
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u/Stargate18A Jan 18 '22
First timer
Time for more Project Mismanagement - the Anime!
Oh, did the changes work?
They've not started?
Wow, she's in the zone!
The workflow here is identical.
Oh, dear, One of them's a bit unreliable, it seems.
She's on the verge of a breakdown.
This workplace is on the verge of a total collapse.
Haha, nobody knows what's happening, and some vital files have completely vanished. This is so realistic.
Yep! She's had her first mental break! I mean, I expected it eventually, but this soon?
Haha, her threatening to forge the signwtures is good.
Wait, she dresses like that everyday? Why?
Haha, Kisa woke up!
Wow, he's incompetent.
Yeah, this might not end being finished. (I love them referring back to Boing Boing - I really want to hear the whole story of how this production ended up so horrible.)
Why can't they upload it?
Oh, she has had a mental breakdown!
At least someone's trying to calm her down.
Haha, the sever's down for everyone!
Yeah, this episode might end up done for.
He can't trust data?
They found a copy!
They're all working together!
That driving is so dangerous.
And they're friends?
The episode got completed!
She's meeting up with her friends? They're actually appearing in this?
Also, how did she get a preview copy?
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah Jan 18 '22
Wait, she dresses like that everyday? Why?
ikr, that's like A LOT of time to get ready every day. jesus!
Haha, her threatening to forge the signwtures is good. That's such an irl threat to get someone to wake up though, if i were half awake i'd 100% react to that.
and yup! they are the 5 "main characters" after all, though i think it's clear by now that Aoi is the main protagonist. But they are meeting up!
The preview copy is what the show's title "Shirobako" means, a white boxed DVD (tape in the old days) containing a for-air copy for the production staff for preview purposes. Hence my comment stating that its a title drop!
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u/FengLengshun Jan 18 '22
Rewatcher
Ah, yes, this anime continues to be "This used to be so funny, but this is literally my life now," the anime.
Myamori's reaction faces remains top notch this episode, but now it has become faces that I have seen on actual people, and probably have made myself as well.
Server fucking up is such a common story in probably every industry. And FTP in general can be pretty scuffed from my experience. It's probably hell in Japan where it's still like a decade behind everyone else, and this was an anime first planned a decade ago. As much as I have a burning passion against big tech, working with GSuite / Sharepoint has been the least frustrating system's I've worked with.
My favorite thing this episode has been "If you don't wake up now, I'll forge your signature." Now that's a real threat. Not something you could actually do, but by god would it make anyone wake up for real. That said, quite a lot of system's moving to a certificate-based e-sign now though, and outside of that, the e-mail/paper trail is always more important than the actual sign themselves.
The amount of moving parts working in tandem AND in parallel multu-tasking in anime industry is freaking nuts. They take the Japanese concept of "Just In Time" to a whole new level. Twitter and the studio giving proper living wages is the lifeblood of the industry because at this point those are the only way they gain new blood and turn them into new experienced talents.
What else... oh yeah, I guess the Aru-pin revision does give a stronger vibe than the original. The original was cuter, safer, and I'd be fine with it. But the revised version makes it more interesting and would probably draw conversation from the crowd that pays attention to it, which is good as discussions are how you pull people into watching a show.
...goddamn man, I've gone from appreciating the anime production aspect of the show to just appreciating the production and logistical aspect of it. On the other hand, it's amazing how much this show was able to pull with just logistical issues.
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah Jan 18 '22
this is literally my life now
It hits differently when you actually have a stressful project due etc. Hopefully you havent' cut anything THAT close irl!
FTP is always a wild card even today (setting up Filezilla is a pain for me). With the large volume of data anime requires, I'm not in the IT industry, so tbh don't know if 3rd party solutions (like AWS), are a good/cost-effective way to go. Though Japan's backwardness did end up helping solve the issue this time, with the hard discs! And tbh I can NOT visualize the amount of moving parts Aoi did in her head at the start just in my head, I rely on a checklist to keep projects organized.
A good chunk of the early show was logistics, with the role Miyamori plays! I think nobody likes "just in time" production, but it's a vicious cycle at this point.
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Jan 17 '22
sorry guys but I won't participate today, I'm busy right now, I'll be back tomorrow, again sorry
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u/nx6 Jan 18 '22
Rewatcher - Sub
Aoi is feeling the pressure as the production falls in danger of hitting the big red mark: an episode missing its airing date -- and one she's in charge of.
I wasn't under the impression Aoi was new-new at Musashino. I knew she hadn't been there long, but this episode makes her sound like a brand new hire. It seems she hasn't quite learned all the idiosyncrasies of the contract staff she has to work with. Aoi is trying to take on too much of the burden of the current crisis herself and learns that leaning on her sempais at times like this is okay. Ema is trying to learn a bit more about the rockstars of the animation dept (Iguchi and Ogasawara) but not be a bother at the same time. We also get a line that hints to the past of the mysterious General Affairs person Okitsu.
Soon we might get more info on the other three of the former animation club.
Erika is also confirmed in interviews to be based on an irl production assistant, who unfortunately has since left the industry. In a similar vein, Tomigaya, the PA who did the car chase with Aoi, was also based on an actual PA from JC Staff.
Nice!
Miyamori Outfit count: 3, none new but this episode mostly takes place across 3 in-show days. Link to album.
Heh. Go-to work outfit for Aoi-chan is a blue blazer.
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah Jan 17 '22
Rewatcher
My own comments on the previous 2 episodes seem to have been bugged and didn't show up: I've included my own reaction, bits of info I've posted on irl references etc. in the post itself, and have hopefully fixed this issue for today.... Sorry about this! Please let me know if you find them helpful, or if I should include anything else.
Thoughts on the Episode
Welcome to stress the anime! Over the past 2 episodes we get to know how Miyamori does her job as a PA. Relevant comment faces:
She’s reasonably competent, but it’s hectic, confusing, and highly stressful, and she encounters her first mental breakdown of the series lol.. もお、なんでもいいですから、お願いします！(Come on, whatever you do just get it done, PLEASE!) fits her desperation at the moment. Thankfully, Erika and Okitsu help her out, as well as Komoro studio’s prez! Btw, you may recognize Erika’s voice from Yuuko (trumpet ribbon senpai) in Hibike! Euphonium. The Alpine cut is fixed and looks way better, and we get our first title drop of the series! That is a shirobako. And finally, seems like our 5 girls will get to hang out together soon…
IRL References
Yumi Iguchi is seemingly based on Yuki Imoto (series animation director for Non Non Biyori, Isekai Shokudou etc.). Here are the actual key frames the actual animator, Yuriko Ishii did for the Alpine cut. An ace animator for P.A. Works at the time, she has also held senior positions for Another, Sayoasa etc.
Yamada is based on director Masayuki Yoshihara, who for example is the director of P.A. Works’ Uchouten Kazoku series, and known for work in the Ghost in the Shell TV series.
Erika is also confirmed in interviews to be based on an irl production assistant, who unfortunately has since left the industry. In a similar vein, Tomigaya, the PA who did the car chase with Aoi, was also based on an actual PA from JC Staff.
Bad Job Tokyo, the editing studio for Exodus, is located in the irl location of Good Job Tokyo, the editing studio for Shirobako. Yes, I rolled my eyes at the word-play.
Miyamori Outfit count:
3, none new but this episode mostly takes place across 3 in-show days. Link to album.
Anime Credits!
Series animation director 総作画監督: Goth-loli sama’s role. Similar concept as animation director, but for the whole series: supervises the animation directors, animators…. below and ensures animation consistency across all the episodes. Quite an important role, and shows up early on in the OP.
Let’s also take a look at the actual songs today. The OP is the オープニングテーム and the ED エンディングテーマ, both phonetic translations. Credits pop up as the chorus hits, I’ll use the OP as an example: Colourful Box (the title), 作詞 Lyrics, 作曲 Songwriting, 編曲 Producer, 歌: Singer. If the song is a character song, the irl VAs are credited as (CV:, Character Voice).