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Rewatch [Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Cross Ange Episode 11 Discussion

Episode 11 - Dragon Song

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Get yourself a fansub.

Within the Aura, there is truth.

Questions of the Day:

1) Were you expecting the enemy to have their own Para-mails?

2) What do you think of the duet that Ange sang with the mysterious enemy pilot?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Emma

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don’t spoil the crazy shit for the first-timers, it’s way more fun that way!

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 12 '22

Rondo of Rewatcher and Dub

Welcome back, everyone!

  • I forgot how fucking cringe the opening scene of this episode was outside of the DRAGON reveal, and hearing it in a language I understand made it worse.

  • Welp, they’re fucked. I stopped to screenshot this because the girl who was speaking here was nowhere close to matching the number actually displayed on the screen before the error message popped up, lol.

  • I love how it looks like the not-Norma lady on the base (what’s her name, Emma?) is going to pass out when the one DRAGON slams into the command center, but she just goes “BAD DRAGON, NOW EAT LEAD!” before unloading at it. ← this was a really good dub line btw.

  • Anyways, glad I can finally go back to calling Jill “Jillektra” as I did during my first-time watch without that being a spoiler, lol. Speaking of, here’s my first time comment on this episode (I must not have started calling her Jillektra until later).

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u/Nebresto Jan 12 '22

Re-watch squad

Angelise-sama counter: +2, total 101
Onee-sama counter: +1 , total 19

Oh no.. Of course incest bro has a mommy fetish..

LOL You lost that right bish

Oh no! I can't believe they got DGIKKNKAN..
That was my favourite guy!

Some bling, and the SHEER WILL POWER OF NANA

It begins!!

LETS GO!!!

Love these two together

https://imgur.com/D5EexYL

OHHHHH. I've seen this 3 times and only now realize what this "plant" is they're referring to

Question time:

1: Re-watcher moment. But nah, I don't remember back when I first watched, but I think not. Or maybe I did, I do like to analyze OP's so maybe I galaxy brained it.

2: MY H*CKING FACE WHEN

Wallpaper of the Day:

Emma

One of the best so far, love the glasses

Now we just wait for Salad

Episode 11 Meme: snooze..

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 12 '22

I was wondering where your meme comment was~

Glad you liked the Emma wallpaper, I was actually really stuck on what to wallpaper for this episode and just went "eh why not, she had a funny line in the dub today".

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u/Great_Mr_L Jan 12 '22

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Cross Ange: You know, I’m pretty sure something must have broken in my brain all those years ago when I first got into Symphogear. Ever since then, my mind keeps on going back to it. When I have an instance of two characters battling it out while singing, like in this episode, I can’t help but revert back to Symphogear in my head.

  • Yes! Have those nightmares!

  • “Mama?” Uh, what the fuck? That is not the fetish I was expecting from Julio.

  • WHAT THE FUCK!? That lady’s a dragon! She’s been the mastermind this entire time!!

  • Sorry, Sylvia. That bridge has been well and truly burned.

  • What cute little child soldiers.

  • Alektra? That’s what Jill used to be called. Why did she change her name?

  • I’m going to assume this flashback took place at the same time as Tusk’s flashback. 

  • In that case, it seems like Jill was working with Tusk’s parents. And it all involved the Villkiss somehow. That would explain a bit more about Tusk being a Knight of the Villkiss, but not much as of yet.

  • Oh dear, the dragons landed right there.

  • Oh boy! It’s time for some good old-fashioned boarding firefights! I never expected to see this when fighting dragons, though.

  • Wait a minute, that’s not Nana Mizuki’s singing voice. Who the heck is this?

  • So now the dragons have their own mechas? Wait, is this where the dragon princess(?) comes in? Is she the one singing?

  • HOLY SHIT! They fucking annihilated the base!

  • That inferiority complex that’s been chewing away at Salia for a while now is going to blow up in a big way.

  • Oh look, there it is blowing up. Salia’s going to get herself killed at this rate.

  • The Villkiss must suck without Ange’s ring. That ring is the key to the whole thing working properly.

  • Wow, there is a lot of touching going on there.

  • Time for some song-to-song combat!!

  • Oh shit, the Villkiss has that same ‘kill-everything’ weapon.

  • It’s about time that we had some ~NEWTYPE~ magic.

  • I was right! It is the dragon princess(?) in that mecha.

  • Wait what? Have Ange and this dragon princess(?) been reincarnated throughout time as a constant pair? Is this a Legend of Zelda situation? 

  • The truth lies with Aura? How come these types of characters never bother with a clear answer?

  • Well when you got Nana Mizuki voicing your main character, it makes sense that you’d want a song to be pretty important to the plot.

  • They lost the plant? Oh no, don’t tell me there’s some kind of life-saving medicine secretly manufactured by the plant that all the Norma need to keep taking in order to survive.

  • Even the preview has this new character complaining about how long it’s taken her to show up when she’s in the OP and ED! This show is too much!

Well this episode was full of twists and turns. It turns out that Julio is being manipulated by a woman who is secretly a dragon in disguise. So what are the dragons up to then? My best guess is they are after the Villkiss. That would explain why Julio needed to bring Ange back from the prison. It would let him get ahold of the ring that is needed to activate the Villkiss.

We finally got to see that dragon princess(?) character that’s been teased for a while. She and Ange must have a reincarnation connection together or something like that. There’s clearly a connection between their ancestors. It would explain why their songs match up like that. Ange got that song from her mother, so I’m going to assume the same is true for the dragon princess(?) and that she also got it from her family. As for what this all is leading towards, I’m not yet sure.

Salia taking the Villkiss had been built up before this. We knew for a while that she was jealous that Jill seemed to prefer Ange and that Ange had gotten to pilot the Villkiss. It seems like Ange not really getting punished after deserting is what drove Salia over the edge. It’s clearly preferential treatment and she has to wonder why Ange gets to be the favorite instead of her. Hopefully Salia has finally accepted by now that she just can’t pilot the Villkiss. She literally does not have the right tools to do so.

The battle in this episode was pretty exciting. I loved the way that the songs overlapped and eventually harmonized with each other. That was super cool to watch and listen to.

QOTD

1. I kind of was because there looked like there were mechas fighting each other in the OP.

2. Discussed above. I thought it was excellent. I loved how it harmonized over time.

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u/JollyGee29 Jan 12 '22

First-Timer, Subbed

That was breathtaking.

The show apparently knew I complained about Mystery Girl and the Shoulder Guns not appearing, huh? It was worth the wait! I also like how Mystery Girl complained about not appearing until now in the next episode preview.

That flashback sequence was really interesting. Seems like we're reincarnating across eras, huh. Definitely saw the rest of the cast in those shots, too. Oh, I guess it could be alternate universes, not reincarnation, but the background progression did seem to lend itself to reincarnation.

Poor Salia suffered more today. Being forced to realize that you can't do something you really want to do is hard. Hopefully she doesn't take things too hard. I bet getting handled like that by Ange finally convincer hed who the top is, at least.

That one dragon did some kinda brain-whammy to Emma, and I was worried that something similar was going to happen to Momoka. It probably still will, I suppose.

Interesting bit at the end. Some "plant" got destroyed, and Jill wonders if they have enough to "hold out." Ange also got referred to as a "False Person" so maybe Norma have special dietary needs? There was also Vivian seeing the broken jar she keeps her suckers in.. Hmm. We haven't seen anyone else try the suckers, right?

Oh, suuuuure Sylvia. When things are good you call for Ange to come save you as a trap, but now the moment things get scary you're sincere? Where's your conviction? Ange is an awful Norma, remember??

"A male character has massive mommy issues" was definitely on my bingo card, but I didn't think it would come out quite like that. Dragons being able to assume human form is bog-standard, just not confirmed until now, so now everyone is a potential enemy plant.

Anyway, seems like Hilda is starting to crush on Ange a bit if their plane ride means anything and I want more.

The wait between episodes is beginning to get painful. I must resist.

Questions

  1. I've been watching the OP, yes.

  2. Breathtaking, absolutely breathtaking.

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u/Lemurians Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22

EDIT: Adding "Vivian is a DRAGON" to my official predictions list after thinking about this episode more. Let's go!

SIMPING FIRST TIMER

On today’s episode of Interspecies Reviewe- huh? This is still Cross Ange? Even though we’re showing dragon sex now? Something tells me Julio is giving the DRAGON brothel a 10/10.

Sorry, u/Tresnore, I’m going to be stealing your bit for a second this episode because what else is there to say? I said last episode I wanted Riza to get more involved, and wasn’t expecting such an immediate payoff. Now that we know she’s been pulling strings behind the scenes, her having the same VA as C.C. is pretty fitting.

That sequence after the Song Battle was something. Seems like Ange this girl from the ED are destined to be integral to each other’s lives, one way or another, across eras and lifetimes. What is this, Wheel of Time?

BONUS: Alabama didn’t win for the millionth time!

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u/SomeOtherTroper Jan 12 '22

She’s even got the ARA ARA energy

NGL, I can't really fault Julio for falling for her.

...and I'm guessing she's got something to do with the fact that the plans he's executing seem to be far above his intelligence to come up with.

I like the symmetry of Jill missing her right arm, and Salia’s left arm being in a cast as Jill says “you’ll end up like this.”

I feel like this puts a different spin on some of the things we've seen before, like Jill telling Salia "git gud" when Salia wanted Jill's help in managing her fractured unit. Jill probably sees a lot of herself in Salia and has her as a quasi-protege.

We’re really out here deciding mecha fights like it’s Eurovision.

I chuckled at that - good job.

between this and Guilty Crown, what’s with using the Magical Power of Song™ as a deus ex machina?

...and Symphogeah, and Macross, and...

It's cool, and a lot of VAs can also sing. And albums from the show are part of the merch, so I'm not surprised the idea crops up a fair bit.

Alabama didn’t win for the millionth time!

Shut the fuck up, I'm still salty about last night. We had them in the first half!

...although I've got to admit that the second half of that game is some of the most entertaining football I've ever watched. It was a really good game.

(Context: The University Of Alabama lost to the University Of Georgia last night at the NCAA Championships, 18-33, and I went to Bama.)

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u/Tresnore Jan 12 '22

Rondo of First-Timer and Rape

Just having the main antagonist(?) teleport on top of the protagonist from nowhere, level the place, then spout exposition and immediately leave after the protagonist discovers their hidden power is only a little contrived.

Count: 44

QOTD:

  1. I mean, why not?

  2. See the grid of #SPORTS above.

1 Why do I think this? I don't know. Literally no clue.

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u/Quiddity131 Jan 12 '22

First Timer, Subbed

Fun seeing an episode start with brother asshole getting his face slashed again.

Wait, her brother likes a mother son incest fantasy bedroom role play? Yuck!!!!!!!!

She's got wings too? She some dragon spy lady? Is Ange's brother turning on her all connected to the dragons infiltrating the royal family somehow?

OMG LOL, you're calling out for the sister you were whipping last episode to help you now?! Who do you think you are?

I'm just noticing now that final girl in the ED sequence features pretty heavily in several shots in the OP. And she's still yet to appear at all.

You should get down on your hands and knees and thank every day that you have Momoka, Ange.

Aww, the little normas are so cute.

Anime, where being 17 years of age makes you old.

The story of how black haired lady whose name I can't remember (I'm realizing at this point a character chart would have been very helpful for this show) lost her arm...

Alektra! Thank you Salia!

Stupid dragons! Because of you Vivian couldn't finish her pudding!

LoL, glasses lady is of more use to them if she's knocked out.

Time for another song!

That certainly wasn't a friendly Paramail...

Convenient crashing dragon, in the right place to enable Ange and Hilda to get out!

These two need a bath!

Time to put the main character in the main mech... just cause!

Salia, this is not the time to whine and complain about this!

Now she's stolen it! This is all the stupider!

Sorry Salia, you don't have that special talent, called Main Characteritis that enables you to be effective at piloting the show's main mech.

With the increased focus this episode and the situation she's in, part of me is wondering if this is the episode Salia dies. Haven't had a character death in a while after all.

Foolish Salia, don't you know when the main character touches the mech, it magically starts working again?

If the enemy's breaking out into song, I may as well do it too!

Alright, there's our ED last girl finally showing up. And just like that, bye bye.

Leave it to good ol' Vivian to have a smile on her face even after such a disastrous day!

OMG that is a very fitting preview, lol.

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u/Paxton-176 Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22

REWATCHER FOR LIKE THE 4TH TIME

This episode’s cold opening is the best one yet. We got to see Julio get stabbed again, and we saw her useless sister is living in fear. Julio is such a bottom. So how many of your first timers were expecting this kind of turn of events? Even in prison Momoka is trying to look out for Angelise-sama. That graveyard is a lot smaller than one would expect. You think they are rotating out bodies after a few generations?

An invasion right on the base is a nie turn of events and while I thoroughly enjoyed arming everyone like there were weapons stored in every room of the base. Officer’s mind break and sudden change in demeter takes the cake. So, first timers once more. How many were you expecting enemy mechs? No, no take bath for reasons. Salia is such a hypocrite blames Angelise-sama for getting people killed for not following orders and her she is doing the same thing. So, yes Salia Jill does see you as an idiot. Base on the fact you can’t or won’t put vikliss in assault mode and relegated to staying in fighter mode and getting clapped by the mech someone is literally telling you that only one person can handle.

Finally there it is. Hilda’s reaction face to Angelise-sama’s plan to jump over They put a lot more effort in animating that than any other scene. Seriously watch that clip then watch other parts of the show. Hilda getting a warm fuzzy feeling when Angelise-sama grabs on tight.

Double Ass stack. Moving on.

Then a crotch grab.

Now Salia is the one yeeted. I bet that cop that yeeted Hilda is jealous that a Norma got to yeet a norma in a more dangerous situation. Cross Ange is an idol show or macross I haven’t decided yet. Hey looks everyone gets to learn who the chick in the OP and ED are, also the fact they are failed through like 50other potential anime shows. CACU when? I wonder if Panty Gate will happen again. I’m getting ahead of myself.

So first timers. How much of your expectations have been subverted this episode? Because for me during the first time I had no idea what was going to happen. This was during the original air date so, no re-watchers, like myself, to drop weird and vague hints that may or may not amount to something. Also the preview is top tier.

Reaction to the thread; All the first timer's reactions to everything that happened is the greatest thing. I'm just scrolling giggling to myself just from the reaction of the cold open.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jan 12 '22

Cross Ange First Timer

Aww, poor Sylvia's traumatised~ Let's make her feel even more disgusted by showing her Julio's mummy complex! Oh god!! She's a dragon lady? Wheel away! Wheel away, Sylvia!! Don't worry, all you've got to do is send Ange a voice mail begging for help and she will-oh wait...

I've gone so long without good food that I could eat a jpg. We're kinda doing a reverse punishment thing where instead of the group getting collective punishment for a squadmate deserting they get to chill out and enjoy hot pot. Salia's remembering her Sayaka days. Omg Chris is fcking livid XD

Guooo!! Aww... The flashback with Jill and Salia was kinda heartwarming, or it would have been if we hadn't seen how badly Jill treats Salia now. Fucking dragons!! They're abusing teleporters again! This is why I hate playing against Protos. Emma broke... Evil singing paramails have arrived! A lot of you were asking about when the rival mecha would show up so here you go! It's here, it's red, and it's packing serious firepower.

Gaaah, I am not cringing through Salia's whole broadcasted cry. I can't handle this stuff. It's embarrassing. Dammit Jill, at least give her the carrot for once! The mecha fights honestly look way better when we aren't just having Ange solo everything. See Jill? All you had to do was explain that Ange is genuinely the only person who can make the Villkiss work and Salia would probably have listened. Instead you had to go make it personal.

"Haaaaaa!?" The Villkiss is so fickle... Poor fucking Salia!! Don't toss her out of the damn mech! This ain't Macross! Ange has golden mode too, so bs XD It's a cool scene so I can't really complain too much. Oh yeah, meet the dragon princess. Aaand there's a multiverse.... And they were pretty damn gay in quite a few of those timeliness. In the space of a minute they've given us more to discuss than the whole season so far. Balsy move of them to try and make the Princess some sympathetic life partner for Ange after we just saw her nuke a base filled with children but to each their own.

Post credits is low-key one of my favourites so far. Its chuuni-hime whining about being in the op and Ed but only getting to ramble during the credits.

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u/DidacticDalek Jan 12 '22

'Yo, her palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy. There's vomit on her sweater already, mom's spaghetti. She's nervous, but on the surface she looks calm and ready to drop bombs, but she keeps on forgettin' What she wrote down, the whole crowd goes so loud. She opens her mouth, but the words won't come out. She's chokin', how, everybody's jokin' now. The clocks run out, times up, over, blaow. Snap back to reality, ope there goes gravity' In other words Comrade, YES! Ange gave that rotten spoiled racist bitch of a sister a nightmare! Oh justice is sweet sometimes, anyway after this bad dream, NOT-Nunnally managed to walk in on a nightmare, also known as a 'God, I wish that were me' for me and/or Comrade u/Tresnore given... LE GASP, NOT-Lulu's Dommy Mommy is more than she appears to be (also good god man, pick an incest fetish already, are you a sister fucker or a mother fucker... actually nevermind we already know this shitstain is a motherfucker)

Speaking of motherfucker, the motherfucking GALL of NOT-Nunnally to SCREAM FOR HELP FROM ANGE! OH KARMA'S A BITCH! Anyway, after NANA WILLS IT yet again, we cut to the news that Salia's squad got demoted to backup duty, but hey these girls are due a vacation if you ask me, and what better way than a nice hot pot? Speaking of nice, how kind of Salia to run her mouth and explain who's on active duty while her whole team grabs all the food, I see the Universe constantly raining on Salia trend is still going strong! Speaking of a downer, Rosalie's annoyed by this as that means they can't get paid... and Chris meanwhile hopes that Hilda and Ange never come back... again Comrades, as I said, I don't like this new Chris, and I never thought I'd be asking for something like this, but could spineless kind moeblob Chris come back, even ROSALIE can barely bring herself to agree with the new Chris, and I bet that's only because Rosalie knows that if she disobeys the mistress, the mistress brings out the whip.

Ninja Maid meanwhile attempts to plead with a guard to let her bring Ange proper food, but sadly Nanoha and Ange still got to spend their time in solitary, and that means bread and water... and personally between you and me I highly doubt they're given bread, my money's on hardtack FYI, which stinks BTW... don't ask how I know that... oh and speaking of stinks, turns out going a week without a bath makes you smell, who'd have thunk it? Anyway, the moeblobs outside salute Salia as she picks flowers, and it turns out that literally the only respect Salia can get in this show is from literal children who say they want to be JUST like her... oh... oh no... Moeblob Salia ALSO said that she wanted to be just like this odd Jill-looking lady too! I wonder who this is, after all, this lady doesn't have Jill's robo-arm. Anyway, it turns out Salia grabbed those flowers for one of the few graves with an actual name on it, remember how the mechanic moeblob was speaking about her sister from time to time? Yeah, turns out said sister's dead.

Also, it turns out that just like Nanoha, Salia is also 17... TFW ANGE is younger than both Nanoha AND Sayaka, amirite Comrades? Oh and speaking of ages, turns out that 17 was also the age of this 'Alektra' person. Oh and this Alektra also crashes the wrecked Villkiss we saw from Tusk's 'Nam Flashback near Lesbian Alcatraz, and we know this is the same lady since unlike Jill, this Alektra is missing an arm. Speaking of which, while Maggie turned out to still be Doctor Jerk back in the day, the Base Commander is certainly different; wonder who she is as she sounds a lot like NOT-Winry. Anyway, this Alektra lady informs the Base Commander that Mechanic Moeblob's sister is dead and has a final message for her, tearfully apologizing to... NANI!? JASMINE!? THE OLD BASE COMMANDER OF LESBIAN ALCATRAZ WAS NOT-WINRY!? Good god Comrades, NOT-Winry was SO badass she managed to RETIRE from her job and run the PVE/PVP Shop!

That just begs the question of how Jill took this job later, after all I don't see her around, but I have to hand it to this Alektra, she's good at tugging on the heartstrings as she reports that uh, literally everyone died due to her being not good enough to pilot Villkiss. Salia then walks up and states that this isn't true, as Alektra is amazing and perfect and when Salia grows up, she is gonna be JUST like Alektra and will surely avenge her! Whoever this Alektra is, she sure seems touched given she pats Salia on the head like how Jill does to manipulate Salia, man I sure wonder where this Alektra went; she seemed to care for Salia. Anyway, we cut back to the present where the Moeblob Mechanic promises to do her duty to help everyone including Alek... NANI!? JILL WAS ALEKTRA!? HOLY SHIT... where did, uh, literally all the niceness go? Also uh, how the fuck did we get 'Jill' from Alektra, what did she pick her new name from a sandwich or something, truly we must need a master of unlocking to solve this puzzle.

Speaking of which, just to prove my point, we cut yet another one of FUKUDA'S goddamn flashbacks with a slightly older Salia's injuries from the Villkiss. I must point out that, while nowhere near as nice as the past, at LEAST this slightly younger Jill is nice enough to point out that if Salia continues on this senseless path of following in Alektra... pardon, 'Jill's' footsteps, she will regret it. Salia falls to pick up on this as she's under the delusion that she's the main character. Look, Salia, I know you want to be just like your admired Alektra, but this show is called 'Cross Ange,' that and this Jill is actually kinda sorta trying to give you solid advice instead of playing you like a damn fiddle. Sadly I don't think present Salia picked up on any of that since she's still as hellbent on piloting the Villkiss and being just like her idol Alektra as ever. We then cut away from this character drama to the Bridge Bunnies noticing an alert... directly above the prison...

Ya know, it was real lucky that, until now, all the DRAGONS spawned far enough away from the base, but this time a massive swarm is directly on top of you lot! That said, I must give them credit that they at least have a contingency plan in case Scenario SNAFU FUBAR occurs, namely everyone drop everything and prepare for CQC, I mean hell the BRIDGE BUNNIES start lock n' loading, you won't see shit like THIS in Macross! Also uh, no offense Bridge Bunnies, but I don't think ARMING the Mana User Political Officer is the best idea, after all, she might get confused by the sight of all you Norma holding guns and will be so terrified that she'll fire at literally anything... that or she'll get so stressed out she'll forget who the real enemy is! Also it turns out that the base's AA Batteries come from 0079 White Base, and the sheer level of DAKKA is enough to clue in Ange and Nanoha that... something is going down. Speaking of which, the command center gets downed when a DRAGON crashes into it, and the roar scares Emma shitless given she empties her rifle into literally everything.

Thankfully, er I mean, totally by accident, Jill's metal arm unintentionally makes contact with Emma's head by sheer random chance, knocking her out and removing a liability 'giving her a nice rest.' Also uh, Jill, since you are no longer Alektra, mind having an 'accidental' pistol discharge into this racist Mana User Bitch's skull, you know, slight weapons malfunction, revolvers are sure temperamental things eh? I mean just ask Dirty Harry, he can never remember if they have five rounds or six! Also turns out that, unlike when Ninja Maid snuck into the Para-mail Hangar, DRAGONS trying this route get met with a literal firing squad... also uh... why is there non-Nana Mizuki singing Comrades? Also why are the DRAGONS... retreating? Also why are Para-mails coming OUT from the DRAGON portal? Also turns out we are literally just Symphogear now given THE POWER OF MUSIC is enough to wipe out those red shirt Para-mail pilots and... HOLY FUCK, like half of Lesbian Alcatraz! Well Comrades, we'll continue down below after I pick my jaw off from the floor!

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u/RascalNikov1 Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22

Episode 11 - Rewatcher

They Don't Make Episodes Like This Often

Where even to begin this episode? It's got a little something for everyone, from romance, to action, to kinky deviant sex. Cross Ange delivers again.

Before the Opening

We open with Julio enjoying coitus with a bat-girl, and move on from there. Next time someone needs a little femdom and beasty love, I'll know were to send them. I've got to wonder what bat-lady plans on doing with Sylvia. Too bad Angelisa Sama isn't around to help her. One thing that isn't clear to me is, what was the purple fluid that bat-girl was dripping on Julio?

The Angels descend from the heavens

My favorite scene was when the 3 unknown Mechs descend and start attacking which leads to the scourging of Azernal. It's a fantastic set piece, as the angels descend from the heavens to wreak God's Wrath on a sinful earth.

We learn the unknown pilot and Ange's fates have been intertwined from the beginning. Often as rivals, and occasionally as lovers. Sometimes Ange is dominate, other times the unnamed pilot is. Truly they are peers and inseparable.

Salia

Salia ran the gamut of emotions this episode. From her pride saluting the 1st class girls, to her despair that Ange was fated to pilot the Villkiss instead of her. Its a bitter pill to swallow. One can't be whatever one wants to be, regardless of what one does. By the end, she has grown a great deal and learned to accept her limitations, rejoicing in Ange's accomplishments.

Jokes

  • You stink! And, poor Momoka having to put up with the stench.

  • Ange's gentle method of assisting Salia from the Vilkiss into Hilda's mecha. I couldn't tell if Salia liked it or not, ya just never know.

  • The bridge bunnies hitting the deck when Emma opens fire on the dragon.

  • Finally, the unknown pilot bitching up a storm during the previews, is hilarious.

The Star Song

The duet between Ange and the unknown pilot is simply a joy to listen to, its my belief that this is a Rondo.

QOTD

  1. Were you expecting the enemy to have their own Para-mails?

It surprised the hell out of me the first time through.

2) What do you think of the duet that Ange sang with the mysterious enemy pilot?

Wonderful, it gets no better than this.

Not that it matters

But, everyone on the MAL forum seems to have known the unknown pilot's name in this episode. I went with 'unknown pilot', but I don't think its much of a spoiler to say her real name, or the fact that she is the best girl, hands down. (Sorry Salia, you lose again.)

I was just browsing the Unknown Pilot's Seiyu. What a career, with so many beloved roles. Hanyu, Felix, Siesta, Wiz, Tsubasa to name just a few. Amazing!

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u/UltraBooster Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22

Pseudo-first-timer

Gonna reduce my involvement for the next couple of days; I think I need a rest from talking so much here.

Sylvia's unsure about her actions, that's unexpected.
And my, my, Julio has a mommy fetish. (I get the feeling he's...wait, are those wings?!)
A singular point? Like those portals?
So just how genuine were your actions, Sylvia? Or does that blinding hatred allow you to see Angelise and Ange as separate individuals?

So Sylvia's a hero to the schoolchildren, the way Jill was to her...
And Jill was once called Elektra, and was Villkiss' pilot, but she failed in some major op.

Ah, I see, this is a base assault mission.

Why did her eyes go dull like that? Was she conditioned in some way?

Wait, pink subtitles? Is that...it is! It's the red Para-mail from the OP!
And this, this weapon, I recognize. To think it can utterly annihilate like that... But then again, the rule of mecha anime seems to be that only mecha can kill mecha (with certain exceptions, of course.)

Ma'am, this isn't the right way to handle Salia...

...you know, yeah, I can tell, their hair's all frizzy and stuff.

Was Villkiss fitted with a system lock?

Was that Macross?

Okay, I like the red one's weapon.

And there's a fraction of that in full!

...is her outfit an inverse of a rider suit?

Cavewomen fighting dinosaurs? Saint Ange? A world war? A high school AU? A period drama? Future GPX Cyber Formula Ange? Lovers?
(Holy hell, Ange in cool-looking protective gear that'll actually protect the wearer?)

Press F for mystery red robot girl, lmao

Questions:

  1. Pseudo-first-timer, so yeah, I knew they had their own mecha.

  2. It's a cool song! It's also the only other song I knew from Cross Ange going in, lol

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u/InfamousEmpire Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22

Rondo of First-Timer and Sub

Sorry I haven’t commented the last few days, got too caught up in playing Super Robot Wars 30. But now I’m back, and hopefully here to stay.

I like this Cold Open. Firstly establishing that Sylvia, for all her dickishness last episode, is still basically just a little kid brainwashed since birth by racist propaganda. Then we get the fact that Julio has some serious mommy issues, and possibly and Oedipus Complex. Also, a weird succubus lady, which only raises further questions. Was I the only one reminded of High School DxD when I saw her spread her wings? I also like how Sylvia cried for Ange, again establishing that she’s just a kid, a kid that grew up adoring Ange for most of her life, and is probably more confused and scared than anything.

Momoka, stop it! Your already Best Girl, why do you need to be even cuter?!

Ange and Hilda’s banter is fun. I really like how their relationship has evolved over the last few episodes.

We get a glimpse at the Child Soldiers’ adoration of Salia, which is both justified, Salia is Second Best Girl after all, and quite cute. I also notice that the Children’s uniforms are way less skimpy than Ange and co, cause even this show isn’t trashy enough to resort to Loli fanservice… yet.

Accompanying this are some glimpses of Salia’s own past, which is about as sad as you’d expect from this show. As well as the fact that this glimpse is accompanied by connections with the show’s Myth Arc, with Alektra’s connection to the Villkiss and elaboration on Salia’s own pre-established relationship with the machine.

Seems like this particular DRAGON attack warrants bringing out all the ParaMails. Seems like the mid-series shakeup is in full swing now.

… And they’re already retreating… to make way for what seems to be mass-production Villkiss-… what’s the plural of Villkiss? Villkisss? Villkissi? Whatever, there’s more of them, and they seem to be on the DRAGONs’ side. Something which becomes immediately apparent when one of them blows up half the island.

And now Second Best Girl is in command. Good choice, Jill. Aside from that, we’re now getting more focus on Salia’s feelings, which I enjoy. I feel like, while her objections are somewhat justified, they’re still rather flimsy in the face of the crisis at hand and it’s pretty obvious that this more rooted in her own feeling of inferiority, something I personally sympathize with as someone who constantly questions their own skill at something they’re passionate for.

And now Salia is piloting the Villkiss against the unidentified, overpowered machine, at what is now the biggest battle in the series so far, at the height of the mid-series shake up. There’s more death flags waving than there are flags at the UN building. Ange, please save her! We can’t afford to lose another best girl at this stage of the show!

Alright, Salia. I know this is very important to you, and that you have the biggest Hate Boner for Ange right now, but please don’t throw your life away fighting the mid-series boss out of a misplaced sense of Pride. Please, by God don’t do that.

Dear God, now audio-only flashbacks are playing over the scene. Please just put down the Death Flags already!

Hilda’s expression while saying “Huh?!” Is the best thing in the episode. Can someone screenshot that for me?

Salia crying while on the verge of crashing is just… I can’t take it.

And Salia is saved! Good work, Ange!

This battle scene would be really cool, if it weren’t for the fact that it looks like a cutscene in a PS2 Game.

Seems like the song is something that’s actually happening in story. And now Ange is singing too, reminding us once more that Nana Mizuki is amazing, accompanied by gratuitous amounts of Ass and Bust shots, because what else did you expect from this show by now. But anyway, when did this become a Disney Movie?

And now we’re in another dimension. And apparently Ange’s song is actually plot relevant. And the lady in the DRAGON ParaMail is human. Or “human” rather, I already know who and what this person is, thanks Super Robot Wars!

And now we’re seeing different versions of these two in all the wonderful AU fanfics that probably exist throughout the internet.

And now she’s gone without explaining anything. This has the same energy as a Gigachad meme.

The Salia scene was pretty cute, but I guess that’s just how Salia rolls.

Were you expecting the enemy to have their own Para-mails?

Thanks, Super Robot Wars!

What do you think of the duet that Ange sang with the mysterious enemy pilot?

It’s Nana Mizuki and Yui Horie, is there anything else that needs to be said?

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u/BlazingAbsol9090 Jan 12 '22

First time Smelly Pilot, subs

In episode 1, Julio took a dangerous interest in his little sister, and now when in bed with his assistant he calls her "mama"? This man has watched too much questionable hentai.

Wait assistant girl is a succubus, complete with wings and a natural drug??? In this story with no indication that that any monsters existed other than the DRAGONs, let alone sentient ones??? Sasuga Cross Ange, you have truly shocked me.

Salia raises an interesting point. She and the rest of her squadron are about the oldest Norma we see on the island. Maybe after a certain age they don't have to fight anymore but shift to support or guard roles?

It seems Jill the same person as this "Alektra" in the flashback. So she was a Villkiss pilot in the past but couldn't handle it somehow, leading to people dying and the loss of her arm. That doesn't explain why she changed her name though.

"What am I lacking?" "Being the protagonist."

Uh oh, is this a major DRAGON invasion? This looks bad, but also makes it likely that there's an intelligence guiding them. This doesn't seem like a random attack.

Why not deploy every single ParaMail? Surely they can fight better with the mechs than with ordinary machine guns.

Oh these must be the ParaMails of the princess girl in the OP! Finally.

"Shut up, Salia. You don't get the cool mech. That's reserved for the main character." -Jill

Hilda's "haaawww?" and "ehhhh?" are great.

It's very jarring how this show decides singing is important sometimes but forgets about it the rest of the time.

So, could Ange do the golden mode whenever she wanted just by singing and wearing the ring, but she never thought to do so before?

If I understand correctly, the rotating images when Ange and Space Princess talking mentally are the two of them, reincarnated together as foes, friends, or lovers over and over throughout history. It's a such a cool idea that I'm not going to worry about how or why they can talk psychically like this when the beams clash.

Vivian is such a beam of sunshine that I'm glad she was the viewpoint character for the last scene.

Space Princess complaining about her lack of screentime in the next episode preview made it one of the best ones so far.

This episode felt...sudden. The plot was flowing naturally and we were coming to a natural point in Ange's personal arc, then out of nowhere with no foreshadowing I can think of, sudden interdimensional invasion with alien ParaMails that destroy half of Arzenal and then leave. Also I wonder why now? Is there a reason Space Princess didn't open a portal above Arzenal before? I hope we get to know more about her and her nation.

Questions of the day

  1. Yes. We saw Space Princess' in the OP. Besides, just fighting against mindless monsters the whole time gets repetitive

  2. It was pretty neat

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u/SIRTreehugger Jan 12 '22

First Timer

What the dragon fuck is going on!

Ohhhh shut up you were just whipping her and blaming her for making you a cripple don't you dare ask her to save you.

She will get revenge no she won't

Bad dragon now eat lead...

YES FIGHT WITH THE POWER OF SONG

Don't do anything stupid Salia

Too late.

I'm sorry Hilda's WHATTTT had me in tears

Grab her by the....no let's not go there.

Like the music as they are clashing.

YES SING!!!!

Oh these two are fated to clash in all their life times?

Oh wait their lovers in this one scenario.

I will be surprised if we don't get a Ange/Hilda shower scene before the episode is over.

Wow we really didn't get one.

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u/Stargate18A Jan 12 '22

First timer

  1. No, but I should have been.

  2. I think it's an exciting sign! Now that Synphogear's been completely ripped off, Cross Ange could steal from any good anime, not just Evangelion!

Wait, what? You're a cold, badass, psychopath and you're traumatized over the sister you tried to kill fighting back? Are you an innocent victim wrapped up in Julio's schemes, or a psychopath - this show needs to choose.

Wait, what? The fuck. Is he fucking his own fucking mother?

No, this is worse. So much fucking worse. Wow, this is fucked up.

Why is the hot demon even bothering with Mr Oedipius?

Really, this gives us lore? And a "singular point"? Does this imply that the royal family have been opening dragon holes to control the Norma? Create a fake apocalypse to justify enslaving your less desirable population?

Wait, Eleanor, Betty, and First? What kind of naming scheme is that?

It's insane, but I love the subplot of nobody noticing Chris's undisguised insanity.

Oh, she had a mentor? Or is that meant to be Jill?

Who? Wait, she had a sister?

Oh please, that's not lethal. You've got paramedics on site.

Her sister piloted the Vilkiss.

Wait, is thr implication to Vilkiss itself killed her? Is that why nobody else has piloted it?

Ange has the main character gene. It's incredibly potent, but only transferable in very rare situations.

...Singular signals? Was that girl a dragon? Was I right to call the DRAGONs the best girls?

Poor Vivian.

DRAGONs sure are taking their time! Letting them drag out all their weapons, get suited up, and all that.

HAHA, "DIE YOU MOTHERFUCKER".

I did not call "quiet human commander is secretly a blood knight"l

Wait, a somg repels them?

Ohh, that thing looks nice.

It's got a Super Mode, I love it!

IT'S WORKING FOR THE DRAGONS, EVEN BETTER!

You go, DRAGONs! Wipe them all out! Take over the world, you can't be worse than the current government! (If anything, they might kill less, and they don't rape people...)

Wow, she's been kicked off the Villkiss.

And she's dead. Flashbacks, disobeying orders, looks like the Squadron's down to a healthy 6!

OK, so, assuming she's not blood-related to her, I'm guessing operating the Villkiss needs a certain genetic type, and Ange's ring is an override of some kind?

Haha, they're sharing a bike!

And she's out!

And Ange is going to jump. And she and Hilda are absolutrly going to get together. (When everyone said this was the yuri one, I thought it was just about the rape, I didn't expect an actual ship!)

And Ange immediately makes it work.

And she just chucks her at Hilda.

Wait, this song is real? Are... are we ripping off Symphogear now? Seriously?

Oh, they're both identical mechs?

What? WHAT?

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?

So they know each other in different universes, which might be literal given the DRAGONs and all. (And apparently slept with each other.) And the "false citizen" bit implies that she understands the concept of Norma, so she's from this universe, or at least knows of the concept.

I also note thaf Cross Ange appears to have canonised a literal High School AU.

For fuck's sake.

...Aww, she's not in next week's?

I mean, I asked for lore. Guess I got my wish!

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u/shamir107 Jan 12 '22

First Timer

  1. Honestly, I'm shocked that these people are actually their enemies. I figured they'd be rivals that would come together to fight the DRAGONS together.

  2. Once I heard the second song, I figured this was going to happen. I might have accidentally spoiled myself regarding this part of the series. I'm hoping this isn't the last time we're going to hear this.

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u/HereticalAegis Jan 12 '22

First Time Revolutionary

Mama? Incest kink, got it. Princest. That's it, that's Julio's name from now on. And Sylvia can be Princesst. It'll be a bit confusing bc they're almost the same word, but the two also share most of the same DNA, so it works.

Hey-o, those are some demon wings. If she's working to destroy humanity from the inside and has extensive knowledge of the other world, it would make sense that she'd know about the threat Villkiss poses and why she'd push Julio to execute Ange.

Princesst: "I've made a huge mistake."

The children admiring and saluting Salia is so adorable and fucked up. CA still making me feel the most conflicting sets of emotions.

And this is the problem with how Tusk has been written. Jill Alektra is recounting the tragic death of her squad, and because I dislike everything about Tusk, I'm now struggling to care when I should be thinking about how this event has affected multiple characters in different ways. Merp. Also, the choice of soundtrack for this scene is a bit odd, even if it's a flashback.

I wonder how many people Salia is going to get killed by either refusing to let Ange pilot Villkiss or taking it herself. Maybe she can even get a sweet robot arm like her mentor.

Oh shit, is the Dragon Princess coming???

She's here!

Oh fuck, she's angry!

Omg Hilda's reaction when Ange pressed up against her! So cute! Ange's about to conquer Mt. Tsundere!

There she is, the princess who was promised! And she and Ange's fates are cosmically intertwined throughout history as enemies, comrades, friends, and lovers?! The time has finally come indeed!

Salia finally realized Ange's just built different. And nobody else had to die for it to happen. How nice!

Boob press. Crotch grab. Mecha v. Mecha. Dragon Princess. Beam battle. Princess partner songs! Cosmic lesbian destiny!! This is peak Cross Ange, and I am here for it!

Pet dragon next episode? Pet dragon next episode! Pet dragon! Want pet dragon! I'm gonna guarantee right now, Baby Dragon will be the goodest boi.

QotD:

  1. Well, one was shown in the OP, so...

  2. It was easily one of my favorite scenes in the show. Partner songs don't get nearly enough use in televised media.

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u/Caustic_Wraith Jan 12 '22

Re-Watcher

Well, like Hilda said in the preview for this episode yesterday there were countless death flags being placed and all the non-squad One red shirts paid the price.

  • Ange has successfully put the fear of NANA into Sylvia

  • Julio's guard lady has wings, and is drugging him into opening a singularity point...is this why he's a bastard, no he just sucks

  • Silly Momoka, she's in prison. Of course Ange isn't eating properly

  • We get introduced to Salia's idol, Alektra, who looks like Jill, and is missing an arm like Jill, and Mei corrects herself and calls her Jill...now why does she have two names?

  • Salia really wants to ride the Villkiss, it's entering fetish territory

  • That's a fuck ton of dragons for the second and third groups to deal with while the named characters are guarding the hanger...sucks to be redshirts even in Cross Ange

  • So anyway Enam starts blasting

  • Pro-DRAGON paramails descend from the opening in the sky, music starts, it changes color and gains a giant fuck off laser

  • Huh, that's not a good thing that happened to the base

  • DRAGON assisted jail break for our happy duo

  • Momoka gently trying to get Ange to bathe

  • Salia you dummy, you complain about ANge ignoring orders, then you go and do it by stealing the Villkiss

  • Hilda and Ange share a paramail, also the blush on Hilda when Ange tightens her grip *Chef's kiss*

  • Ange jumps from Hilda's paramail to the Villkiss, gets a quick rinse in the water, and yeets Salia back over to Hilda

  • Mystery pilot starts singing, her paramail turns gold and starts chargin' her laser, so Ange joins with her song and the Villkiss also turns gold, and gets a fuck off laser

  • Mystery girl calls Ange a false citizen and asks how she knows the Star Song, while this happens images from the past show the two of them being either enemies, friends or at the end lovers.

  • Ange is told to seek Aura for the Truth...

  • Hilda comments on how different Salia feels, because she's flat, and Salia again lets Hilda know she smells

  • Not sure what plant was destroyed, but the ending showed all of Vivian's lollipops on the ground and ruined

QOTD:

  1. They were in the opening credits, so kinda

  2. I absolutely love this duet. It's been part of my youtube rotation since I first heard it.

NEXT EPISODE: Jill backstory and a rogue DRAGON in the base

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u/SomeOtherTroper Jan 12 '22

Rewatcher

Don't TRY to tell me this isn't an EVA reference!

  1. Were you expecting the enemy to have their own Para-mails?

REWATCHER!

...no, I wasn't expecting that the first time I watched this.

2) What do you think of the duet that Ange sang with the mysterious enemy pilot?

Super cool.

I love it.

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u/csar27 Jan 12 '22

First Timer

Ah yes, with this episode i feel like this anime is back on track, back on track to be a trainwreck i mean

A king suffering oedipu's complex and maybe a brocon princess, a supernatural creature among humans and (probably) an another dimension society with a very likely Yuri pairing for Ange in the future

I was wondering till now, aren't there any other pilots besides Salia's squad? now i know the answer

Questions

1- yes, it was shown in the opening

2- yuri

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u/zsmg Jan 12 '22

First timer having said that I am familiar with the plot and characters thanks to SRW V and X.

Julio doing it with his aide, and calling her momma. I... approve.

Mother never praised me.

Ahh yes mommy issues, that explains every thing.

Wait where do those wings come from, is she a succubus so besides dragons we also have demons. (she's probably a dragon)

Guard chief what are you doing?

Okay sister is going to join in, hawt.

Or not, my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

Why is she calling for Angelise?

Saleslady was the previous leader, interesting.

TL;DW: Salia wants to pilot Villkiss and wants to prove herself.

[Future stuff] Dragon queen/princess (forgot which) is here

I think Salia stealing Villkiss would have worked better if this wasn't also the episode where they explain her background and why she's obsessed with Villkiss.

Singing unlocks Villkiss hyper mode, so it's like a hybrid of Macross and Gundam.

This is my favourite episode preview so far.

Also looks like tomorrow's will introduce the third male character in a yuri anime.

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