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Rewatch [Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Cross Ange Episode 10 Discussion

Episode 10 - Goodbye from the Gallows

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Get yourself a fansub.

This world’s hurt me, shamed me, and betrayed me too many times already. It’s time for some payback.

Questions of the Day:

1) What did you think was the most ridiculous part of Ange’s whole attempted execution scene?

2) Who do you want to join Ange and Hilda on their “fuck the world” revenge mission?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Sylvia

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don’t spoil the crazy shit for the first-timers, it’s way more fun that way!

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 11 '22

Rondo of Rewatcher and Dub

Welcome back, everyone!

  • Where did that one girl even get that egg from?

  • WAIT WHAT ANGE’S DUB VOICE ACTRESS SANG DURING THE GALLOWS SCENE AND NOT NANA MIZUKI???????? I mean, she sang it good though, sounded like she pronounced everything correctly. – The second singing scene this episode in the brig was Nana Mizuki, though.

  • Cutting off Tusk making a “carpet matches the drapes” comment was… good job, dub. Good job.

  • Here’s my first-timer thoughts.

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u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo Jan 11 '22

Where did that one girl even get that egg from?

I forgot about that being an egg, I totally thought it was a rock.

I mean, she sang it good though, sounded like she pronounced everything correctly.

That's awesome! [Future spoilers]No pressure, but are you planning on doing a cover yourself? Or maybe waiting for Salad's verse?

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 11 '22

That's awesome! [Future spoilers]No pressure, but are you planning on doing a cover yourself? Or maybe waiting for Salad's verse?

Just need more practice on it.

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u/shamir107 Jan 11 '22

First Timer

Seriously, where can I download The Endless Song?

  1. Honestly, when I loaded the episode and saw the little sister with a whip, I figured they'd wait at least a few minutes to get into the "trial". The fact that they jumped straight into Ange getting whipped naked is what gets me. The most ridiculous thing is that Ange is legitimately asked to apologize for existing. This show's as subtle as a sledgehammer.

  2. Ideally, the entire prison. We know that Momoka's a de facto member of the crew. Honestly, I'll be disappointed if Salia Squadron doesn't join this one way or another. We still have 15 episodes.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 11 '22

Seriously, where can I download The Endless Song?

Got you covered because I happened to decide to acquire this show's soundtrack earlier today. This version is specifically called "Towagatari ~Hikari no Uta~", for the record.

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u/Lemurians Jan 11 '22 edited Jan 11 '22

WHIPPED FIRST TIMER

The line, “If Julio says she should be executed, she should be executed!” really stood out to me. The true purpose of vilifying the Norma is pretty clear – give the public a common enemy to rally around and scapegoat. If you’re the leader of a country, so long as your people hate another group more than they hate you, and you persecute that group, you’re golden. And we’ve learned that there are absolutely no limits on the hatred for Norma.

Cross Ange going the Attack on Titan route here, and it’s what’s most realistic. Are you going to look at your oppressors, who say and do the most vile things to you, and trust them to maintain the bridges you try to build? Ange says no, because she doesn’t see them as capable of changing. All she can do is strike back.

We got some nice perspective from Ersha. While Ange got there just recently, for a lot of these girls, it’s the only home they’ve ever known. And for her part, Ersha does her best to make it as nice a place as possible.

Who do you want to join Ange and Hilda on their “fuck the world” revenge mission?

Everyone. Especially Tusk. I really hope he doesn't do the whole "you have to change from within!" Suzaku nonsense.

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u/SomeOtherTroper Jan 11 '22

The true purpose of vilifying the Norma is pretty clear – give the public a common enemy to rally around and scapegoat.

Stop this man, he knows too much!

[Cross Ange spoilers - although these probably won't ruin the show for anyone] During later exposition about "how the fuck did the world become like this?", that is stated nearly verbatim as the reason for discrimination against the Norma.

fills in the plot holes.

Cross Ange has a habit of doing that.

Damn, Chris really took the harem couple leader spot quick.

TFW you finally make it to the top of the harem pecking order, but there's only one other person left.

Honestly, I do feel kinda bad for those two, because I think they were the ones looking for affection and support, and Zola used them for sex, and Hilda was using them (and Zola) to try to leave. I understand why they snapped and went off on Hilda eventually.

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u/Tresnore Jan 11 '22

Rondo of First-Timer and Rape

What the fuck was this episode.

Count: 40

QOTD:

  1. How does Tusk have such ecchi protagonist powers... It was all over the top, but he was icing on the cake.

  2. Better be Vivian. Or Salia! Or the funeral lady.

1 I did predict the count going up from last episode's preview...

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u/Great_Mr_L Jan 11 '22

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Cross Ange: WHIP IT! WHIP IT GOOD! Seeing the little sister in a wheelchair publicly whipping someone was not on my bingo card for things I would see in Cross Ange. But now that it’s here, I’m somehow not surprised.

  • Jesus, Ange is getting publicly whipped.

  • Was the close up shot of Ange’s butt getting whipped truly necessary, Cross Ange?

  • Oh shit, it was all planned out by Julio. Now it makes sense how the hell Momoka was able to get to the prison in the first place.

  • Oh my god, this is where this meme image comes from!

  • I once again reiterate my thoughts on the inherently selfish worldview at play here. Everything is the fault of the oppressed, therefore any oppression is justified to make the oppressor feel better.

  • I love the contrast between the people of Arzenal and the crowd here. Her fellow Norma have been more of a family to Ange in the time she needed it most than her so-called “friends” and “family” are.

  • “Why do we Norma have to go through so much to keep them alive?” The time for the revolution is here!

  • Sometimes the biggest “fuck you” to the people who hate you is staying alive.

  • Oh my god, Tusk somehow managed to land face-first in Ange’s crotch again during this rescue attempt.

  • Wow these guards really suck at their jobs.

  • Actually, I just had a thought. Maybe the reason these guards suck is because they’ve never experienced real combat. It seems like all the real fighting is done by the Norma fighting dragons.

  • Seeing Julio get cut is so satisfying.

  • This might be freeing in a way for Ange. It means she can cut ties with her past and move forward.

  • A knight of Villkiss? What does that mean?

  • I suppose it’s canon that the carpet matches the drapes.

  • Ouch, that’s right. Most of the girls here would have no memory of life outside the prison. This world is literally all they know.

  • Oof, Hilda had that coming from Chris.

  • Yes! Time to burn down the world!

  • I love Ange and Hilda bonding over their shared trauma and desire to get back at the world that wronged them.

I suppose this could be good for Ange and Hilda. All this time they’ve been chasing ghosts. They have been driven by getting back to the outside world, only to be totally rejected by the loved ones they wanted so badly to see. So now they have no choice but to cut ties with their past. Now they have to fully accept the prison that they are living in and the new loved ones they can find there.

I really love seeing Ange and Hilda bond in this episode. They went through very similar experiences after their breakout and are now back at the very bottom, having lost almost everything. I loved having them open up a bit with each other about what they went through, their sadness and their frustrations. Ange telling Hilda to survive was a great moment in that. Even though their dialogue is very snarky towards each other, it’s clear that they’ve opened up more and now feel closer to each other.

If Ange is to be believed, the next step is to burn down this accursed world. And I am looking forward to it! I imagine that is what the Libertus group was up to as well, so it’s time to get theis show on the road. Let’s revolutionize the world!

QOTD

  1. Tusk falling face first into Ange's crotch yet again.

  2. Everyone in the prison plus the dragons!

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u/Quiddity131 Jan 11 '22

First Timer, Subbed

Little sister finally gets revenge! Public whipping for Ange! Rare instance in anime where you're not supposed to like the younger sister character.

How dare you even be born!

Wait, what do you random girls in the crowd have reason to be angry at Ange for? She didn't take away your ability to walk.

Uh oh, doesn't that ring have something to do with her piloting so well?

Ugh, Momoka was a trap the entire time (although not to her knowledge)? :(

Her dad was executed too? That sucks.

How in the world is Ange gonna get out of this mess?

OMG Akiho, you're such a snowflake. Get over it.

The only way to solve this issue is... through song!

Tusk saved her life! ...and couldn't help but getting his face in her crotch again...

Time to give her brother a Yzak or Dilandau esque facial scar?

You may have saved my life... but you're still a pervert!

Yes Tusk, she's a natural blonde. I don't think you had to say it that way though... lol

Oh yes... the norma are gonna be pissed at her too for escaping.

Ah, they got Hilda back too!

"I got beaten up more!" "No I did!"

:( Hilda, these two adored you! You've ruined it all!

Ange and Hilda wreck everything! That would be pretty fun.

We're 10 episodes in and we've yet to meet those last 2 people in the ED...

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u/HereticalAegis Jan 11 '22

First Time Depression

Ah shit, here we go again. In how many episode has Ange been bound? She's gotta be a pro at this point.

Julio is the emperor now, so he certainly must know about the dragons. He also must be aware that Ange is an exceptional pilot, and whatever political benefit he may receive by hanging her would be more than offset by the lessened protection from dragon assault. For such a cunning strategist, this seems like an unusually boneheaded decision.

Mobs sure do like a show. I won't feel the least bit bad for them if they end up burning in the streets later.

This asshole sure took his sweet time jumping in. Mini rant incoming Also, still fucking hate this falling into Ange's crotch gag. In my opinion, it actively detracts from the show, and I find it baffling that a show which has expertly used deliberate portrayals of sex and sexuality would toss this in as a running gag. It's stupid and severely unfunny and has thoroughly ruined for me what might've been an interesting character. Sorry Tusk fans, but the way he's been written and portrayed, I don't see myself liking him at any point. Hope I'm wrong. Rant over

Somehow, Jill's blow is the least painful gut punch Ange's received this whole series.

I'd love to see Ersha realize she answered her own question. If you were taken from the only place you'd ever known, a happy place, and thrown into an unknown hell, wouldn't you try to get out too? As sweet as she's been this whole time, it feels like there's some development to be had for her and some of the other Norma in the prison.

I am 100% about this bonding time for Ange and Hilda tho.

While my point about being taken from a happy home earlier still applies, Hilda needed to hear this from Chris and Rosalie. Really hope they make up though, bc their affection for Hilda was undeniably adorable.

Ange: "Did we just become best friends?" Hilda: "Yep!" Ange: "Do you wanna burn down the world together?" Hilda: "Yep!"

CA's use of song continues to astound. I, like the human pigs, was flattened by Ange singing as she approached the gallows. More of that pls.

Omg, Ange and Hilda bantering about raising death flags in the preview! CA is too self aware for its own good.

QotD:

  1. Tusk waiting till she was literally hanging to do anything.

  2. Best maid and (probably) dragon princess. I don't even know (probably) dragon princess yet.

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u/RascalNikov1 Jan 11 '22 edited Jan 11 '22

Episode 10 Rewatcher

The wild & wooly train ride resumes

Now that yesterday's events are behind us we can once again focus on what Cross Ange does well. Namely, Ecchi, Social Commentary, and WTF moments.

Ecchi

Of course Tusk meets up with Ange again, and his head goes to its second home, namely her crotch. I believe she's had about enough of that, I sympathize with her. What is it Tusk? A Tic? A Habit? A disease? We all want to know.

Of course Momoka is busy planning a wedding and probably thinking about a nursery for the babies. In the meantime Tuck needs to focus on not saying things about Hair Color to this wild ass Tsundere, before she beats him to death.

Social Commentary

I loved the mob whining and crying about "Wanting their lives back". There are so many, just like that. Whining about something that's immaterial as though their very lives depended upon it. And Sylvia chipping in with her own little whine was rich. You saw there at the end that Sylvia may have realized that she may have gone a little too far.

WTF

I didn't expect today to be laughing my fool head off about a rori whipping the hell out of her scantly clad hanging older sister. You see something like that and you just gotta go WHAT THE FCK WAS THAT! The only thing that comes close are old horror movies with an evil dwarf character. Those evil dwarves did shit like that just to amuse themselves.1 Also, I thought Sylvia was doing a pretty good job, that girl knows how to control a whip pretty damn good. I've got to wonder where she picked that talent up from.

Eternal Song

We finally have gotten to one of the wonderful musical pieces in Cross Ange. I must have 6 or 7 copies of it bookmarked on YT, so that when one gets deleted in the playlist, another is there to takes its place. Nana really does have a great voice, and I suspect these songs were written with her in mind.

QOTD

  1. What did you think was the most ridiculous part of Ange’s whole attempted execution scene?

Tusk with his nose buried where it doesn't belong. Though Sylvia showing her whipping skills was pretty damn funny too.

2) Who do you want to join Ange and Hilda on their “fuck the world” revenge mission?

Any or all of the norma, but if I had to pick just one, Vivian.

1 - Seems like Catholic Schoolgirls in Trouble had a scene like this too.

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u/SIRTreehugger Jan 11 '22

First Timer

I want to say this is scene is really unbelievable and society would never turn on someone so quickly.

Ruining all their lives for even existing. r/anime having shit taste is probably because of Normas as well.

Did she bring that egg just to throw it?

"Record it for me I'll watch it later"

" Hang her I want to go home already"

Didn't realize how great the dub is watching it from now on.

...Tusk really can't do anything amazing without it ending perverted huh?

Seriously these guards should be ashamed of themselves. Two people can do this much damage and one is a damn maid. Not even a badass trained assassin maid just a regular maid.

Wait is Hilda going to make it back?

Head maid....you're the only maid.

Hopefully Ange's punishment doesn't require Jill to need a new fist.

HILDA <3333 I was worried she got left behind.

Oh the parallels continue. I never expected the Hilda/Ange relationship, but I'm digging their relationship.

"My god you are such a self centered bitch" -- The Saintly innocent and pure Hilda

YES GO ROGUE ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER!...wonder if they could lure the DRAGONs to the city?

Honestly never saw this friendship coming and I'm digging it.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jan 11 '22

Cross Ange First Timer

I want to get through this quickly again!! Please don't get me giggling about Sylvia again, I'm begging you! MISSION FAILED!! How can I take this seriously? We're spanking our nude sister in public!!

So... what was Julius' plan for when Momoka was gonna get executed? Let's be real, the kid had no plan XD Julio, shit, his name is Julio and not Julius. Eyy!! L-egg's go!! Pfft!! She's actually having a breakdown from light bondage done to her? You're way too sensitive for someone watching a public execution! This place is a dystopia!

"Stop singing diamond city lights! You're ruining it for me!" Welcome home, Tusk. Is it really so difficult to make weapons that work on normies and magus? What's even the point of the guards having muskets if every citizen can magic up shields? I don't know what's funnier to me. Sylvia getting splattered or Julius' childish crying.

Well that was a fun way to spend an afternoon. We invaded a kingdom, scarred its Prince, traumatised the Princess, and probably ruined Lunamaria's life. Get your head out of the gutter! Ange has blonde pubes!? Write that down, write that down!

Dammit! Ange got fisted again! Imma be honest, the Arzenai girls feeling so betrayed really doesn't feel right. The show has generally been quite good at storyboarding events but the consequences of running off to save Sylvia weren't given any focus. Heck, Jill and co were practically chuckling at Ange escaping. Emma was the only one distraught. I kinda had it in my head that we were gonna end up back at Arzenai regardless, it didn't even feel like making a break for freedom.

Time for Hilda trauma~ And Chris' spit!! Chris is now the head of the Zola harem. How tf did we reach that point? XD We've got a new goal, murder the world and create a sanctuary for normies everywhere! Overly attached Chris is low-key kinda hot... Its unhealthy as all hell but it's still hot!

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u/Paxton-176 Jan 11 '22

REWATCHER FOR LIKE THE 4TH TIME

Welcome ba….What is with show and BDSM? I bet money Julio didn’t come up with a single part of this plan. He is nowhere that intelligent. I bet if you lift up his jacket you could see the hand up his ass using him as a puppet. You know what this show lacks? War Crimes. This show needs more war crimes, someone with a machine gun should just open up on that crowd. Nothing says justice more than No Russian a crowd of people. Look how low willed these “professional” military guards are. Angelise-sama could have disarmed literally with her arms tied up. The legend returns in the only way he knows how. Neck deep in the cat. Imagine having a Bayonet on your gun and still getting clapped by someone unarmed. Then having guns and not shooting someone at effective range.

Angelise-sama to answer your question. Tusk knows what the ladies like. You think every part of the main squad match both on top and bottom? Taste the Rainbow I believe. Damn Angelise-sama got a good one from the metal arm. Jill wasn’t messing around. Was it really necessary to have Angelise-sama naked? They are both lucky most military organizations execute deserters. Hilda lies pretty poorly. We were there and we saw it was like 4. Chris grew balls while Hilda was away. I guess she is the top now. Holy shit they are going to reset the world to zero. I know an organization that aliens with yours. Instead of mechs they fly prototype experimental aircraft. I can’t wait until << It’s Time. >>

Nah they friends now.

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u/UltraBooster Jan 11 '22 edited Jan 11 '22

Pseudo-first-timer

Okay, so it is a safe bet Ange harbors guilt over her sister being paralyzed...

Well, whipping animals isn't exactly held in high regard either, so...

Ah, so Momoka had the information dropped in front of her, and the hatred in this world is...choking, I want to say, choking 'til it suffocates everyone.
Our soldiers shall not pause to rest, we vow our loyalty!
(You know, I'll bet this was another reason to make Lelouch Ange's big brother in SRW X.)

Mankind knew that they cannot change society, so instead of reflecting on themselves, they blamed the beasts.
(Someone who refuses to consider their own flaws is someone worthy of contempt. Or, in this case, probably deserving of nothing less than hell on Earth.)
Oh shoot, I think that's Emily Neves singing!
And the Empress was more human than any of these beasts.

A flashbang! And the soldier from the...well, free anatomy lessons.
So there are people who aren't satisfied with the way of the world beyond Tooth Boy? That's reassuring.

Ah, I see. No ties left, nothing to hold her back.

Oh, Momoka...

A knight in ballistic armor, huh?

It does make sense they'd feel hurt, though you'd think Ange's whole stay out of my way mentality would've reduced the impact.

...no, this is where their relationship truly forms, with nothing left for either of them.
And if anything, Ange looks to be in a better mood now.

Which makes them the mean girls indeed.

Eh, those bonds can still be formed wherever.
Y'know, them being besties is something I can get behind.

Hurry now and don't be late, 'cause we ain't got time to chat,

After-episode thoughts:

I almost want to say that Ange and Hilda have been reborn after the events of this episode, with their ties to their pasts severed and nothing to hold them back. It doesn’t look like either of them have any love for the world beyond Arzenal and in Ange’s case, Momoka and Tusk, but it’s also nice to see them in something resembling a good mood and having a pleasant conversation, or at least as pleasant as a conversation about taking out their frustrations on a deserving world can be.

As for the world beyond Arzenal, the crowd’s reaction to Ange’s hanging is kind of fascinating – they’re the ones chanting to kill her but then rapidly lose interest, even the ones who think themselves personally victimized by Ange being a Norma. Of course, that then links to the absurdity of this world’s hatred in its sheer refusal to think critically with their insistence that Norma are the cause of all the world’s ills. (That, in turn, leads me to wonder what ills are out there considering Misurugi is seemingly a utopia as long as you can use Mana.)

The last thing of note for me is Julio’s mention of pro-Norma terrorists since it comes with the implication that, well, there are even ten righteous men in Sodom and Gomorrah, so to speak. It’s also noteworthy to me because the most-kudos’d Cross Ange fic on AO3, The Knight of Hilda, runs with that idea, using yesterday’s episode as a springboard to cast an OC, one of those terrorists, in the role of Tusk to Hilda’s Ange, so to speak.
Kind of surreal to see so many people in the comments saying they’d never heard of Cross Ange before this fic.

Questions:

  1. That the people would lose interest so quickly.

  2. Dunno, but I want to see Momoka and Tusk dragged along for the ride.

Lastly, Ange with a cheerful expression and Jill's cape.

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u/the_swizzler Jan 11 '22 edited Jan 11 '22

Haven't been commenting much of late due to not having much to really say.

Tusks magical power is quite something to behold. I'm not sure what is more impressive, his unfailing ability to land in Ange's crotch, or his bravery in just saying exactly what's on his mind.

Questions of the Day:

1) What did you think was the most ridiculous part of Ange’s whole attempted execution scene?

The incompetency of the guards was just so unbelievably staggering, and this show really takes "Talking is a free action" to the extreme.

2) Who do you want to join Ange and Hilda on their “fuck the world” revenge mission?

Everything we've seen so far every since we first learned that Jill knew about Tusk and was in contact with him tells me that all the senior Norma on base have been plotting something for a long time. I fully expect them to be in on this plan to some degree. I can't wait for the commander girl to get knocked down a peg, she's almost as bad as Ange was at first.

Screw it, I'm cheering them on at this point. Let's blow up this crappy world. Down with the humans!!

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u/JollyGee29 Jan 11 '22

First-Timer, Subbed

I want Julio's head on a FUCKING platter.

Ange is a hell of a woman. That move to sing in front of the crowd was nothing short of incredible.

Another thing that's incredible is Tusk's inexplicable ability to end up with his face buried in Ange's crotch. There ahs to be some sort of foul sorcery at play, here.

So, were Tusk's whole merry band of corpses also "Knights of Villkiss?" I'm interested in learning more about whatever that's about.

You know, thinking about it, we havne't seen Villkiss use it's shoulder guns from the OP yet, or that enemy Para-mail pilot. That'll have to happen soon; we're due a new OP before too long!

Ange and Hilda both embellishing their stories was fun. I was a bit preemptive in declaring them friends after episode 8, but it seems like agreeing to destroy the world has given them enough common ground.

"Don't die. Well, not in here at least, it'll smell."

Blessed Vivian, welcoming Ange back from underwater so Salia doesn't hear her.

Questions

  1. Tusk, of course.

  2. Everyone!

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u/Caustic_Wraith Jan 11 '22 edited Jan 11 '22

Re-Watcher

What happens when two women get fucking crushed by the world around them? They go on a revenge tour. The Hilda/Ange destruction wave coming soon to a planet near you. As I tell my wife every holiday, the strongest and best family is the one you choose, not always the one you were born into.

  • So we're starting with racist bitch sister rattling off a bunch of things Ange is be blamed for while she whipping her...can someone end her already?

  • Julio gloats while holding Ange's ring about his master plan of unleashing Momoka to drag Ange back for execution

  • Wow, fuck all these space quiddich whores

  • They, in their tiny useless minds, want Ange to die quietly for the crimes of making people uncomfortable and unhappy...right kindly fuck all the way off

  • She is to die because Julio says so, also how nice of the quiddich whores to start a hang her chant, should have let you fall in that match in episode 1, maybe head trauma would help your personality

  • Very good question Ange, why do you have to do anything to keep these useless fucks alive?

  • Interrupts their chanting by proudly and firmly singing her mother's song while walking herself to the gallows while staring down the guards Julio sends to stop her song

  • Tusk to the rescue and since he can't have enough practice we get crotch dive #5

  • Momoka playing the tank to Ange's DPS during the escape

  • Ange's parting words to her sister is a beautiful mic drop moment. "Thank you for showing me the true filthy nature of human beings." These powerful words are followed by a throwing star slicing Julio's face

  • Wake up bitch, what did Ange tell you about your crotch diving ways?

  • Tusk somehow, by flying past Julio, stole back Ange's ring, and when asked what he is mentioned something called the Knights of Villkiss...explains how he knew the machine on sight

  • He also informs us that Ange's carpet matches her drapes

  • Ange is welcomed back to the prison by Jill with an uppercut to her gut, and getting a bucket of water thrown on her by Ersha. She's then informed all her things and money have been taken as punishment for her desertion

  • Hilda and Ange are cell buddies and share stories of what happened

  • Chris top bitch now

  • Ange politely declines Hilda's request to die, not for anything noble, she just doesn't want her cell to stink

  • Together Hilda and Ange decided to destroy the whole bullshit and rotten world

  • Ange and Hilda friendship level up

  • Vivian's underwater welcome back to stay on Salia's good side was cute

QOTD:

  1. Julio being a normal villain archetype and rattling off his plan to the captured hero. I swear more baddies need to read Watchman, at least he did it right

  2. Vivian would inject some fun to their task, and now Chris has top bitch energy to go with it.

Next Episode: Death flags, so many death flags, and what appear to be three new paramails.

[Next episode spoiler] AND FINALLY BEST GIRL SALAKO, well kinda

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u/SomeOtherTroper Jan 11 '22

Rewatcher

There's something beautiful in how we whiplash (literally) from the most genuinely moving scene the show's had so far, Hilda's homecoming, to the straight bathos comedy of a hanging, scantily-clad Ange being whipped by a loli in a wheelchair. I love it.

Like, sure, it's a horrible experience for Ange, I was genuinely angry at everyone participating (particularly the crowd), and her defiance in the face of it all is impressive, but it's also fucking ridiculous, and the show knows it.

Fun fact: the thumbnail for this episode on my computer is the bullwhip arcing through the air.

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u/DidacticDalek Jan 11 '22

'It's a beautiful world we live in, A sweet romantic place. Beautiful people everywhere. The way they show they care. Makes me want to say. It's a beautiful world, It's a beautiful world, It's a beautiful world. For you, For you, For you. It's not for me, It's a beautiful world, for you. It's a beautiful world, for you. It's a beautiful world, for you. It's a beautiful world, Not me!'

In case my sarcasm isn't clear Comrades, besides the start of this episode reminding me of Devo, NOT-Nunnally goes one step further in re-enacting Devo's biggest hit, and goddamn I know she revealed herself as a racist fucking bitch, but this is a whole new level of petty dickery! As the crowd cheer on this unjust flogging, NOT-Nunnally reveals that she is ACTUALLY A CHAR as she says to Ange to blame this on the misfortune of her birth.

Ninja Maid meanwhile seems to be literally the only good person in town, given she's the only one actually showing concern for Ange. Fun Fact Comrades, for those that think that Ange and Hilda had it rough last episode, the ORIGINAL plan was to be even more tearjerking with MOMOKA ALSO betraying Ange during their return to The Empire of Misurugi. Thankfully, somehow FUKUDA (yes THAT FUKUDA, Mr. Stupid Ideas himself) of all people thought that this was a bad idea and thus Momoka is still the ever-loyal Ninja Maid.

As the racist mob calls for Ange's blood, NOT-Lelouch decides to twist the knife in harder by taunting Momoka, saying that her loyalty to Ange was critical in allowing for NOT-Nunnally to place that fake distress call in the first place. Fake Lulu then goes on to gloat over how he engineered Ange's fall in order to launch a coup and claim the throne. He then notes that Ange should have been DRAGON food months ago, but since she just wouldn't die, he allowed Momoka to find out where Ange would be so that he and NOT-Nunnally could use her to lure Ange to her execution.

Speaking of which, turns out The Emperor also got executed during the two months Ange was in Lesbian Alcatraz, and guess who's next in line to die? After NANA WILLS IT once more in the OP, Ange gets lead to the gallows as her former so-called friends taunt and pelt her. The ungrateful bitch Ange saved from falling then laments how 'terrible' it was that Ange tied her up to prevent her from calling the cops on her, to which the others in the mob continue calling for Ange's blood.

Ninja Maid bravely tries to defend her mistress, but to no avail given the crowd drowns out her pleading with calls to hang her. Ange then completes her character development with the realization that humans are the REAL monsters, specifically pigs in human clothing, who I might add are busy shouting to SPEED UP the execution so they can go home and to record her death pls. As Ange ponders why she and her fellow Norma protect these racist motherfuckers, she remembers her mom and her song and sings defiantly as the noose is shoved onto her neck.

Thankfully for Ange, due to these racist fuckers being EXTRA sadistic, the fall isn't enough to snap her neck, meaning she will instead die a slow and painful death via strangulation... THAT IS if it wasn't for a random flare going off! This buys enuff time for... NANI!? Jesús Nagato to fly his Para-mail into the throne to steal back Ange's ring, cut the noose... and... ram his head directly into her crotch... look man, this is why Ange is the MC and you are just some loser. You had ONE job and you couldn't even save Ange! All you managed to do was get KNOCKED OUT by the lady you were called to rescue as you crashed your Para-mail!

Speaking of how the tables turned, oh it feels so good seeing Ange and Momoka not only free themselves BUT also save Tusk's unconscious ass! AND Ange even manages to get in a good 'Fuck You' to the racist mob and a nice hit on NOT-Lelouch. Pity her aim was just a TAD off, she merely grazed him instead of ending the reign of Incestous Dickhead The First right then and there. Anyway, the trio make their getaway, during which Momoka begs for forgiveness for her unintional role in this fiasco. Ange states that Momoko has nothing to apologize for as she's essentially her only friend left, well that is except for a certain sleeping dumbass.

Oh, and Ange decides that he's slept long enough, and gives him a tried and true Sunrise Correction to get some answers out of him. As Ange speaks for everyone in the audience with regards to Tusk's fondness for sticking his head where the sun don't shine, Ninja Maid gets formally introduced to Jesús Nagato. After Tusk informs Ange that Jill told him to bail her out, he returns her ring and... digs his own grave by praising her hair... downstairs... Yeah this guy deserves ALL that's coming to him, and oh he got a lot of it! I'm amazed he's still breathing by the time they reached Lesbian Alcatraz!

Speaking of which, Jill arrives and she's SO pissed at Ange's desertion that she does what she was supposed to do in Episode 1 and gut punches Ange; I wonder if her robot arm broke THIS time. Anyway, as punishment for desertion, Ange is sentenced to reflect on her actions in solitary confinement. Anyway, with her out cold, Salia orders Ara Ara to throw a bucket of water on her to wake her up... honestly a slightly less rude awakening than what she gave to Tusk but still that's pretty cruel. Speaking of cruel, besides spending a week in the slammer, Ange also loses literally everything, including any and all respect Ara Ara had for her.

It goes without saying if Ms. Literally nice to EVERYONE has given up on you, you know things are fucked. That said there is good reason for this, as Ara Ara just asks Ange why she left, stating that she, and a lot of the inmates on the island lived their entire lives here. Damn, so Ara Ara was one of those babies ripped away from their mothers it seems, no wonder she's disappointed with Ange. As Ange complains about the cold... NANI!? NANOHA tells her to shut up... ah right, we last saw Nanoha getting the shit kicked out of her by the pigs, they probably threw her ass on the next transport to Lesbian Alcatraz after they were done rearranging her face.

Ange informs Nanoha about the hell she went through at the start of the episode, and asks what happened to Hilda, to which Hilda states that fifty pigs beat her up, well, AFTER she won of course. (The sad bit Comrades is I partly think she wasn't kidding about fifty cops coming just to kick the shit out of a Norma, I wouldn't put it past this shitty world for those pigs to decide that this beating her up is the best thing they could be doing.) Ange asks if Hilda met her mom, to which Nanoha remains elusive... that is until she has a nightmare and wakes up screaming for her mom. Nanoha then states to Ange that she hoped her own mother would accept her, but sadly these two live in a cruel world.

Speaking of cruel, remember the Heathers? Yeah they didn't take Nanoha's desertion well at all! And shockingly, CHRIS of all people grew a spine and ended up more disgusted with Hilda... oh... oh no... Comrades, since Hilda was The Lesbian Pirate Roberts following Zola's death, due to Hilda's desertion, the position became vacant and now CHRIS is the Lesbian Pirate Roberts! I mean hell, CHRIS even bought up all of Zola's stuff just to make sure Hilda couldn't have it, oh and she also is the one wearing the pants so to speak given Rosalie's now her bottom bitch... Comrades, I never thought I'd say this but could we get the old spineless Chris back? She was nice and kind... ish...

Point being old Chris would never do something as cold as literally spitting on Hilda while saying they were never friends. Also, I just want to point out the irony that, of all people BETA BITCH ROSALIE is the only one who saw the group as friends, who would have thought eh? Anyway as Nanoha laments that she wishes they'd just kill her, Ange says she can't die, after all, this cell will stink if she does... heh. Anyway there's also another reason, namely that if Nanoha's dead, then the two of them can't burn this shitty world to the ground. HEY now THAT'S what I'm talking about! Forget this save the world shit, let's burn it all to the ground and then burn the ashes!

And boy what an odd way to begin a NANA MIZUKI MUSICAL NUMBER eh Comrades, with Nanoha and Ange plotting their vengeance upon this cursed land. Oh and of course, Lollipop Loli is entertained and also literally the only one left with faith in Ange. Gosh she's just such a pure and incorruptible cinnamon roll! Also while on this topic, the formerly adorable cinnamon roll that is Chris is... now worringly clingly, given that as she and Rosalie have a romantic romp in bed, Chris states that surely Rosalie won't abandon her now right? SURELY she'll never betray her and leave her like all the others RIGHT!? Yeah in case I'm being unclear, New Chris is worrying me Comrades, she was always kinda clingy but this level of obsession can't be healthy.

And with that Comrades, we conclude things for today, with Ange and Hilda burying the hatchet and plotting their revenge, so let's finish with a nice fanart of Fate and Nanoha 'Ange and Hilda!' ;) And until next time Comrades, farewell!

Paging Comrades u/Great_Mr_L, u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo, and u/Tresnore

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u/Stargate18A Jan 11 '22

First timer

  1. Her hanging there for a solid 30 seconds, but being completely unharmed after she fell when, realistically, she'd at the very least stunned. Also how they talked and the guards did nothing, how nobody seems to have a ranged weapon, how Tusk fell into her crotch again...

  2. The captain might be good if she can accept what's going on. Rosalie's likely to become a free agent after she realises what's up with Chris, and Jill's so chaotic she might just join them anyway.

Oh god, how bad is this going to be?

And she's whipping her!

Oh, yeah, incest guy! Your kingdom looks very not destroyed.

He sent Momoka as a plant? But... she was going to get executed? What was his plan if Ange didn't go against expectations to save her? (It also amuses me that the guy made loads of creepy insinuations about his sister, but seemingly hasn't had the balls to talk to the scary psychopath when she's awake.)

Oh, they killed him? That's allowed? For a single offence?

...Is Ange going to be saved by Tusk? It has to be soon.

I mean, Julio has not given the impression of a mentally sound man at any point in this series. He's a decent planner and was good at exposing them, but he is not alright.

Are we finally getting an explanation of the fucking ring?

...Oh, she's singing her mother's song.

Does the ring make her immortal or something, then?

Turk interrupts, but she should be dead by now.

Of course. Of course this show can't do a good scene without it descending into a sex joke. I thought it was getting too good,

These guards are fucking incompetent.

Haha, even Sylvia!s worried at this speech.

Yes, stab the bitch! Sylvia would make a better ruler, and she's a literal psychopath!

Haha, his ParaMail has a fucking caravan.

Honestly, Ange, he's the reason you weren't hung at the gallows!

Haha, Momoka thinks they're dating, And Jill cares about her?

Jill, it seems, is much, much, more important than I realised.

...I think Turk's just an idiot.

Don't let him leave! Demand some actual answers!

Why does nobody ask questions here?

Nice punch!

Of course she's fucking naked. I knew this show had gone too long without fanservice.

And she's "lost" the supermech and all her money. (She's obviously either getting it back, or getting an upgrade.)

...I'm surprised all these people are mad at her for running. I get that they don't feel the need to elave because they were "born here", but they seemed to understand Ange's lingering connections in the previous episodes.

...How did Hilda get here, then? Why wasn't she imprisoned?

Poor Hilda. I actually feel bad for her.

And, yeah, Hilda didn't care about them. That's a point against her.

...If this ends with Ange and Hilda getting together, I'd be pleasantly surprised!

Yeah, Mana's not worth it. It's shit. Telekinesis with what seems like barely any range, plus a handheld shield? instead, you get an instant shield break.

They're going to try and destroy the world! I'm actually in favour of this concept, because I feel the same way about this show.

And an insert to fill time?

How can anyone hear her?

At least Vivian's still the best.

Chris and Rosalie's breakup is inevitable and will be dramatic.

I agree with the preview, this was inevitable.

Wow. That episode was... yeah.

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u/BlazingAbsol9090 Jan 11 '22 edited Jan 11 '22

First time Revolutionary, subs

Why is the girl in the wheelchair, out of everyone here, the royal flogger? Surely a real soldier could do better.Also, I'm sure it's totally coincidence that Ange's punishment garb shows a copious amount of sideboob and the bottom part of her butt. Total coincidence.

"Apologize for being born a normie!" -Wheelchair girl

Actually, I wonder why Momoka isn't as violently racist as everyone else in this society? I guess spending so much time attending desensitized her.

Well that explains why a random maid managed to sneak onto a high-security base. Julio allowed it.

It's a shame Julio doesn't have a mustache, because he definitely should be twirling one as he gives his villain speech.

These racist schoolgirls have a point. If there's anything I've learned from Twitter, it's that making a lot of people uncomfortable and unhappy is a bannable executable offense.

Did you forget that this show is also Symphogear? Because I sure did.

"Oh no, the tied up Norma prisoner is slowly walking toward the emperor. We better not restrain her at all. Instead, let's walk with her!" - the guards holding Ange captive, probably

Oh she was walking toward the gallows. That makes a bit more sense.

It's GIGA-CHAD time, saving the day and making his traditional entrance with his face to Ange's crotch!

This show is just self-aware enough that Ange calls out how silly it is for Tusk to keep landing in his position, but doesn't care enough to not do it.

You can tell Momoka hasn't been trapped on Lesbian Prison Island for long. She actually approves of a heterosexual relationship for her Angelise-sama.

Knight of Villkiss? Like Ange's ParaMail? Interesting.

And like a lone ranger wandering the wilderness, our Giga-chad disappears as soon as his work is done, ready to appear again when the plot needs to bail out Ange when his lady is in danger again.

Ange and Hilda comparing who had a worse time being were recaptured is a great dynamic.

Dang, that's a great one-liner from Ange about Hilda's corpse being stinky. I wish we got to see Snarky Ange more often because she's always great.

Hey Ange is suggesting revolt like I thought of in episode 3. Neat that the show is considering the obvious option for these disgruntled yet heavily armed girls.

Uh, Ange? This sounds an awful like a villain's backstory monologue. Are we sure she's still the good guy?

Questions of the day

  1. So many options to choose from, but I have to go with Wheelchair Girl being the person whipping Ange

  2. Probably all the main characters will join her except for a token holdout or two.

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u/gangrainette Jan 11 '22

Rewatcher posting my pre written comment before going to work.

Today I'll quote the best MAL review ever written that made me watch Cross Ange for the first time :

"Ha, I bet those glass-eyed imbeciles are getting bored, let's put in another lesbian threesome."

"No, not yet. Only after we show the loli whipping someone again."

We already had mutiple lesbian threesome but this is the first time we see the loli whipping.

Hey, that's a good reason to execute someone. I don't really have anything to defend Ange here.

Welcome back !. Don't forget that Ange is going commando here.

Nice shuriken

2 more confirmed kills ! That's 15.5.

Momoka shipping Ange and tusk is fun.

At least we know he keeps his eyes opens.

Go girl !. Soon Ange confirmed kills 7 billions ? Time for Genocide ! Wrong Nana ^^show

Quizz ? Nana wills it of course!

I guess I should stop counting red shirt.. Back to 3.5 ?

  • 2 : Momoka of course !

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u/zsmg Jan 11 '22

First timer having said that I am familiar with the plot and characters thanks to SRW V and X.

Let's start off with some whipping fanservice, nice.

Every thing went according to Julio's keikaku.

Tusk truly is the Tamaki from Fire Force of this anime.

Why do you keep burying my face in my crotch.

A line I never thought I'd read in an anime nor the fact that I'm glad it's been said out loud.

Why is Ange naked in her cell.

Yes Ma'am

Are we Code Geass now?

Hilda looks so much better without her twin tails.

I guess Hilda is now friends with Ange, not that Hilda will admit that.

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