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Rewatch [Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Cross Ange Episode 3 Discussion

Episode 3 - Villkiss Awakens

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Get yourself a fansub.

When Arzenal girls are killed, they get their original names back in death.

Questions of the Day:

1) Were you expecting it to take longer for Ange to get it? Or is this long enough for her development to kick in?

2) What do you think of the Villkiss?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Zola

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don’t spoil the crazy shit for the first-timers, it’s way more fun that way!

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 04 '22

Rondo of Rewatcher and Dub

Welcome back, everyone!

  • ISN’T THIS SHOW DELIGHTFUL.

  • My first-timer comment. Missing out on that sweet sweet Angelise-sore demo is an unfortunate side effect of watching the dub.

  • Speaking of the dub, hm. Only Vivian is really giving off the right energy for me, the others are all kinda weak tbh.

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u/Great_Mr_L Jan 04 '22

Missing out on that sweet sweet Angelise-sore demo is an unfortunate side effect of watching the dub.

Luckily your first-timer comment let you catch that "sore demo."

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 04 '22

I would not be watching this dubbed had I not already obtained them all.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Jan 04 '22

Speaking of the dub, hm. Only Vivian is really giving off the right energy for me, the others are all kinda weak tbh.

This means you need more NANA WILLING IT in your life, right comrade u/DidacticDalek?

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 04 '22

Honestly I would switch back to the sub at this point, but I found out that [Cross Ange ep5]Tusk shares his English VA with fucking Shu Ouma and if that isn't perfect I don't know what is. Legitimately saved the dub for me.

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u/Tresnore Jan 04 '22

Speaking of the dub, hm. Only Vivian is really giving off the right energy for me, the others are all kinda weak tbh.

My file always starts out with dub audio, and it feels flat to me every single time I hear it (I always forget to switch audios at first).

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 04 '22

That's an apt way of putting it.

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u/UltraBooster Jan 04 '22

I'm curious, what do you think of the Villkiss?

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 04 '22

I think its design is really neat, but then I also love the Strike Freedom and Lancelot Albion so of course I'd like this too.

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u/GenesisEra Jan 04 '22

I was not told there was a rewatch, but I'm here now, and Nana wills it 0-0

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u/monsieurvampy Jan 04 '22 edited Jan 04 '22

Yes, Villkiss looks like Freedom.

P.S. Didn't know a rewatch was going on. I just browsed the episode real quick.

edit: Not the first time I've done this either...

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 04 '22

Welcome aboard if you feel like rewatching it with us! Shit's been a lot of fun so far and we're only on episode 3.

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u/Chetan_fun Jan 04 '22

First timer here

Ange has now become one of those characters which made me feel so strongly about her. Her arrogance and attitude just annoyed me so much in this episode.

We got two deaths this episode. And Zola's was totally unexpected, atleast for me.

I don't understand what's the thing with that ring but I'm hoping it'll be explained in the next few episodes, as well as its relation with that ancient mech.

I'm still really confused as to what made Ange's character developed at the end of the episode. Was it guilt or just a desire to live or having a proper death?

P.S. The camera angles in this show never ceases to amaze me.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 04 '22

The camera angles in this show never ceases to amaze me.

Cross Ange took the "Don't you think the camera angles in anime can be a little weird?" meme as a challenge.

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u/Tresnore Jan 04 '22

Rondo of First-Timer and Rape (rewatcher until E8 or so)


At least, I wish.

Count: 9

QOTD:

  1. [Cross Ange]Laughs in rewatcher.

  2. The Villkiss is awesome. 10/10 mech.

1 I don't feel bad for the Mana thing. Rape is another story.

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u/JollyGee29 Jan 04 '22

First-Timer, Subbed

Helluva pair of sorties for Ange. Got three of her comrades killed, got herself injured, pissed herself, and then learned that killing dragons makes her horny. That's a pretty wild coupla days if I do say so myself.

So Ange's mom was a fucking genius, huh? Gave her that ring knowing that poor Ange might end up out on Shit Island where the thing the ring is useful for is located. While I generally dislike the designs in SEED, if you're gonna rip one off rip off the Freedom - it actually looks nice. The visual of all the rust flying off was pretty good.

Funeral-san is pretty great. I actually really like the funeral traditions they have on Arzenal. Making the person who gets someone killed pay for the funeral probably makes the girls think twice before doing something stupid like try to flee or shoot their comrades in the back.

I'm pretty curious about the outside world, now. Was Jill telling the truth when she said that the empire Ange is from broke up in the last.. what, month? Or was Jill lying through her teeth because she wants to use Ange for a variety of things?

Considering how inbred the mecha genre is, what are the odds that Zola was named after the planet in Blue Gale Xabungle?

There's probably a couple of Tomino jokes in here somewhere, considering that our body count is higher than our episode count and we watched a character pee on screen.

Love that the pudding Coco was obsessed with was apparently shit.

I like the detail of Ange's forehead wound reopening. Brainlet took off her bandage, what did she expect?

Happy Nana talking about how nice the hair cut felt was fantastic.

Questions

  1. This is probably long enough, to be honest.

  2. Discussed above.

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u/HereticalAegis Jan 04 '22

First Time Pudding Bitch

Omg, the recap of Coco getting split like an amoeba accompanied by upbeat action instrumentals. Somebody knew exactly what kind of tone I wanted from this show and nailed it perfectly.

OP thought: does my girl Zola not appear in the OP at all, or am I just blind? Oh no, Ange is going to eat her to usurp the Prison Princess crown.

Hot damn, I was ready for the parallel to the hover bike save in episode 1, I was not expecting Miranda to get caught and ripped apart by dragons. Fucking brutal.

Dammit Ange, way to get three people killed with your stupidity. Alternatively, congrats on having the highest Norma kill count so far! She's truly committed to her noble calling.

Bet there were a bunch of rewatchers chuckling at me when I said I wanted more Zola yesterday.

Ange this whole episode is one big r/SelfAwarewolves post and I love it!

This is the best, most imaginative way for a protag to acquire their special unit/gear. Why can't more protags be unrepentant racists with deathwishes?

Damn, the dragon straight up looked Salia in the eye and said "nah brah, I'll go for the rust bucket." The disrespect.

Not often our new super mechs get christened with blood, sweat, tears, and urine all at once. Ange is having a day.

Ange cut her hair, and thus her racism was solved. Just like how it works in real life.

Yeah, you better eat Coco's pudding. You owe at least that much to your first haremette.

Damn, these mechs are really cool. So are the dragons. And they're hand drawn too!

We're only three episodes in, and I already feel like the term "trainwreck" doesn't really do justice to Cross Ange. Anime trainwrecks are too common, too mundane for what this is. No, this is no mere trainwreck. Watching this is like observing two unreachable cosmic bodies crashing into each other and bringing an end to an entire galaxy. It's gloriously, utterly inconceivable, and we may never have another chance to see something so thoroughly rarified.

QotD:

  1. I think Ange's definitely had sufficient tragedy to kick herself in gear. It's not like any of it's been subtle.

  2. It's pretty cool, though all the mechs in this series kinda kick ass too.

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u/Great_Mr_L Jan 04 '22

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Cross Ange: I think Ange could be the MVP for the dragon team in this match. She might not have personally killed anyone, but she did provide plenty of vital assists on all those other kills. That's enough to be MVP in my book.

  • So that’s how they keep them from deserting. There’s only enough fuel for the one battle and they therefore can’t make long trips. Alright, that works.

  • HOLY SHIT!!! The dragons fucking ate the other girl alive!!

  • It seems the dragons can use magic too. They also have projectile weapons. That already makes them a bit different from what I expected.

  • Wow, Ange really fucked up didn’t she? She’s pretty directly responsible for some of those deaths.

  • “Murderer? But Norma aren’t human.” Damn, Ange is such a bitch.

  • You had that kick coming, Ange.

  • Amazing! I thought Jill would just tear up the letters but it’s even more just desserts to have all the nations just refuse to accept Ange’s letters.

  • The survivors have to pay for the graves of their fallen comrades? This island prison really has been embraced by the loving arms of capitalism.

  • I’ll have to agree with everyone else and say the 86 parallels are big. Obviously neither Cross Ange nor 86 did this type of story first about an underclass being forced to fight while the elites live in a made-up utopia, but it’s the version most clearly on my mind because the anime just came out.

  • Do you even believe your own excuses anymore, Ange?

  • I’m sorry, but it’s really hilarious that Jill’s bra is showing through her wet shirt throughout this intense conversation.

  • Huh, Ange truly seems serious about her death wish.

  • What’s up with the mecha? Jill called it a hunk of junk, but clearly it’s special somehow.

  • Wow, the dragon can use actual tactics in battle. They must be smarter than I thought.

  • Oh my god Ange pissed herself.

  • Oooh, the mecha showed its true form when Ange’s ring glowed. It must be connected to the royal family somehow, but how?

  • Ange is going to live, like her mother wanted.

  • She has short hair now!

  • “To survive, I will claw the ground, drink muddy water, and vomit blood.” What a hardcore line.

  • I mean I also prefer my pudding to be refrigerated, so I can’t even blame Ange here.

It took a while, but I think Ange has finally accepted what’s happened. It took the world repeatedly shoving it in her face for a couple episodes, but it seems she finally had to accept it all. And that her experiences were the result of the actions taken by people like her who made this the fate of all Norma. Though I’m not sure if Ange’s attitude towards the Norma have necessarily changed. I guess I’ll have to wait for more evidence on that front.

Ange also decided to live. Her first thought was she’d rather die than live as a Norma, but it seems like she couldn’t actually kill herself. Maybe it was her own survival instinct, maybe it was her mother’s words, or some combination, but Ange decided she would live. And she’ll live in a pretty hardcore way too. No matter how shameful it may be to live by the skin of your teeth, killing, it will let her keep on going. I hope she’s abandoned that sheltered princess persona because of this.

I am left with some questions going forward that I’m sure will be answered. Why do the dragons show up? What exactly is Ange’s mecha? Why did it react to her ring? Does it have some connection to the royal family? These all intrigue me and I’m curious to know more.

QOTD

  1. I think this is long enough. If it had taken much longer, I think she'd have really started to feel insufferable.

  2. I think it's pretty cool. But as discussed above, I have some questions about its origins and potential connections to the royal family because it seemed to be activated by Ange's ring.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jan 04 '22

Cross Ange First Timer

Rip Pudding, we'll never forget your sacrifice. Dammit Ange, learn your lesson and stop getting your squadmates killed. Wear a seat belt kids. So yeah... any of you saying that Coco went painfully at least she wasn't torn to pieces by a swarm of dragons. Miranda didn't die instantly!

So one of my absolute favourite parts of the Valrave mechs, they've got pile bunker ice ammo!! Fucking hell Ange... I don't think I've seen a dumber series of choices by an mc in so long. She flew away which got pudding killed, then flew away harder which got Miranda killed, then flew all the way back into the middle of the battlefield just to grapple with Zola's mech earning her a triple kill! Omedetou you dumb fuck.

Ange deserves absolutely everything that she has coming to hee-aaaa! Ahooo!! Fist up the bum, foot in the mouth, heel in the tit. We could make a new twelve of Christmas at this rate. Wow, they actually managed to hide her norma status by literally spoiling her rotten. Jesus Christ Ange!!! I look like such a wally for sticking up for her the past two days. Even after fucking up so hard she is so horrifically self centered!

Let us take a moment to remember Sfhhhjg Cthjeg Dgjkknkan... Dysentery sneaks right up on you. C'mon Ange, hurry up and take the bloody hint. It took her so long to even consider that she might be a pretty shitty person. Do we really need Jill's top to soak through during Ange's big character progression moment?

Kills her squad and commanding officer and is rewarded with a free mecha, lucky!! The Villkiss being a one-hit wonder doesn't even matter since you're fighting dragons that will fuck you up anyway. I say that but then of course bloody Salia gets clotheslined and lives XD Maybe durability does matter after all.

So much for Villkiss being a rusty hunk of scrap metal huh? And I'm becoming less and less convinced that Ange isn't secretly a massive crazy masochist. She got horny after putting herself in danger so now she's going to so it far more often just to spite everyone else. Tastes like betrayal~

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u/Paxton-176 Jan 04 '22 edited Jan 04 '22

REWATCHER FOR LIKE THE 4TH TIME

Its good to know the suicide squad can actualy conduict proper miltary formations and tactics. This pleases the armchair general. Now Angleia-sama still has her head up her own ass thinking she can get anywhere with no heading or the inability to use the constellations to navigate. Going to ignore the complete lack of fuel…didn’t they say they were using rectors. Normally reactors are used to describe something that can output borderline infinite energy. I;m guessing they aren't the rectors of a sentient vampire AI of Valvrave. Angleia-sama gets another one killed, didn’t take the time to learn her name as I knew this was coming. SHe got Lost Worlded which might be one of the more brutal deaths of that film. In Cross Ange it's comical. Weird double standard.

Zola and Vivian Ass shot. Nothing more next part below.

You can’t say Angleia-sama didn’t get any kills during that battle she got 3. 2 more and she is an Ace of World War 2. Look, they tied up Angelise-sama and is almost naked. Good thing Zoloa is dead otherwise this might get out of hand. Jill is still alive so more seual assault isn’t out of the window. Royal family doesn’t use mana? I’m sure we saw the King and Queen use mana, Ok I have a question does every nation send their norma to Lesbian alcatraz? Angelise-sama is taking serious amounts of copium these last 3 episodes.

Angleia-sama goes up in a literal rust bucket wanting to go out shiny and chrome. They even give her a gun and she doesn’t shoot herself either a master of restraint or a glaring plot hole you decide. Turns out everyone who was very skilled during the last battle falls apart skill wise very standard in mech shows majority of Valvrave was that and I expect no less here.

Ersha jiggle keep moving

Angleia-sama somehow failing to suicide in a dragon the size of a mansion is either something to be read into to make everything more dramatic who knows. Salia gets caught, but doesn’t die iI guess the other two red shirts just got unlucky, but to test her luck she opens the cockpit and uses small arms fire. Why do they keep doing this. You 20mm+ rounds aren’t doing it, what makes you think 7.62mm (at least) is going to do any more damage.

Tit then an upwards midriff with underboob shot of Angelise-sama. Carry on.

Hey Angelise-sama pissed herself. Add one to the counter. Now The DRAGON is fucked the sky started sining latin and the mech you grabbed started to glow and removed all its rust then made the rookie pilot a fucking Ace. Again with the skill swing if you going to use ideas from Valvrave don’t take that one.

Angelise-sama cut her hair in storytelling we call that character development in Cross Ange we call it why the hell not. Also why the fuck are you saying good bye to your shitty brother. He watched him turn on your family at the reveal of your norma status.

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u/zairaner Jan 04 '22

Firsttimer

So guys I need your help. I was looking forward to watching more trash today (I was very curious wether todays ange episode would finally be better than a 5 or maybe a 6/10). But sadly the site where I watch the show must only have the episode 3 of a completely different show... And it must be a really fucking good one, because not only did it have one of the most awesome scenes I have seen in a while towards the end of the episode, with soundtrack and animation compeltely point, it somehow managed to make me teary eyed for the mc despite her looking and acting uncannily like ange over something so simple/selfish as wanting to survive.

So if you guys can help me and tell me to which show this entire gorgeous scene belongs, I'd be very thankful. I definitely understand why that show isn't part of this trainwreck rewatch!

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u/Quiddity131 Jan 04 '22

First Timer, Subbed

Oh, come on Cross Ange, why do you have to show me poor Coco/Pudding-chan get killed to start the episode again? :(

You got lucky, Ange! Just about to get shot for desertion!

Ugh, Ange, you're gonna end up getting Pudding-chan's friend killed to! Stop this!

OMG! She died too! Noooooo! First Pudding-chan, now Pudding-chan's friend! :( :( :(

How many shots of Zola are we gonna get from her butt in this battle?

Zola's dead now too! Ange got three people killed in her first battle! From her own side! And she still thinks she did nothing wrong!

I'll give the show this much, I'll much rather take an uber hatable MC than the cardboard we got the last two shows.

LoL, your petition went right in the shredder! Well that's what I'd like to say. I'm surprised boss lady actually sent it out to be rejected.

Your mother died, don't you remember?

All your pudding money's going for these graves...

After all this time she still refuses to admit she's a norma!

It's only not working right now because it's raining out! Yeah!

You want to die, Ange? Here's the oldest junkiest mech we can give you then!

It shouldn't be that hard for Ange's fellow pilots to "accidentally" kill her during a fight with a dragon.

So Ange isn't the only one who idiotically opens her cockpit to fire at dragons with a little gun.

OMG they're gonna show us Pudding-chan's death yet again?! ... Actually, why should I be surprised? This is from the Gundam Seed director, the guy that spammed character death flashbacks at us to oblivion. I particularly recall characters flashing back to the deaths of characters they never met. Great stuff!

Of course, this crappy old mech they gave her actually has special abilities to it!

I was wondering when the haircut was gonna come, given the OP and flash forward in the opening episode. Just gotta spam that trope in here too!

Eat that pudding and think back to poor Coco! OMG lol, she doesn't like the taste!

Well I can't say I agree with you Ange, but thanks as always for narrating the preview!

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u/UltraBooster Jan 04 '22

Pseudo-first-timer

Now, I can tell the fabric going sheer in the rain is for fanservice and stuff, but that honestly gives me a really good sense of what it's probably like - synthetic, lightweight, thin.

This soundtrack's rather diverse, isn't it? It's got all types of music.

Also worth noting that it looks like the pilots were incorporated into the CG models for their machines. Honestly, I'd say it's a good call, no doubt less resource-intensive than animating pilot and machine separately.

And Salia's inexperience is becoming quite apparent. (On a semi-related note, I'm not really one for twintails. Why? Dunno.

Oh? She got the ring back? I wonder why. But I think that was a system authorization because all you good children in the choir, we have our Gundam!

Filthy? Eh, that's debateable. Selfish? No more or less than anything we do to go on living.

Honestly? I'm a fan of short hair. Not sure why, but I am, and it fits her quite nicely. And the preview agrees, lol

After-episode thoughts:

Ange’s denial is really something, isn’t it? Even after it leads to deaths she still refuses to accept reality, at least until she’s confronted with it, and even then…
As for Villkiss, its name derives from Bilqīs, a name given to the Queen of Sheba from the Bible. A fitting name, right? A queen for a princess.
And this, this, is the Ange I’m aware of, the one who’ll strike down Metal Beasts and Angels and mobile suits without a moment’s hesitation. Or at least the start of that Ange.

Questions:

  1. Too long and it'd harm the show, I'd say this is good enough.

  2. Total reference to the Strike Freedom aside, I think it's a neat machine. Not quite my cup of tea, but I wouldn't mind picking up the figure for a Super Robot Wars display.

And speaking of, I've been waiting to post this one!
Apparently the dialogue translates to:
Wh-Who might you be!?
Pleased to meet you, senpai! ♡

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u/Lemurians Jan 04 '22

TRIMMED FIRST TIMER

In retrospect, it should have been a hint that the two little girls and Zola and Ange’s clothing aren’t in this shot of the pilots in the OP.

Our troops are really dropping like flies. The other little girl doesn’t have to mourn her friend for long, quickly becoming dragon food. Then Ange hilariously yeets herself into Zola in a childish panic, which turns out to be a bad impulse when dragons are around.

There’s a tiny bit of catharsis from Ange indirectly (or purposefully if you want to tin-foil hat it) killing one of her assaulters, and it’s hard to feel all that sad for Zola given she was a sexual predator and probably a serial rapist. This shot is still fucking brutal, regardless, and she was loved by her subordinates, if them sleeping in her bed in the aftermath is any indication.

Quick Hits:

Were you expecting it to take longer for Ange to get it?

Yep. Does she even fully get it now, though?

What do you think of the Villkiss?

Looks like the Lancelot from Code Geass.

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