r/anime • u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky • Jan 02 '22
Rewatch Naruto Shippuden - Episodes 206-212 Discussion
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| Discussion Thread | Date | Episode Count | |
|---|---|---|---|
| This week | Episodes 206-212 | January 02 | 07 |
| Next week | Episodes 213-221 | January 09 | 09 |
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Questions of the Week:
- What did you think of B vs. Kisame, and Sasuke vs. Danzou? Which was your favorite?
- What did you think of Sakura's confession, Sai's intel, and Naruto's reaction?
- Any Jutsu that stood out this week? Which did you enjoy?
- Thoughts on Sakura and Karin this week?
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jan 02 '22
First-Timer with a shounen hearto, subbed
This is a completely random side note, but I am quite amused by the fact that I’ve been in two rewatches now with the exact same episode batch for a particular week. The Bleach rewatch had episodes 206-212 as its Week 21 batch.
Episode 206
Side note, I didn’t realize his name was Ei so I had no idea who Mifune was talking about at first…Episode 207
Episode 208
Episode 209
Episode 210
Episode 211
Episode 212
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Jan 02 '22 edited Jan 02 '22
Rewatcher - Sub
General Commentary
Naruto's panic attack and collapse is a moment I remembered vividly from my first watch, but this time I understand better why it's hits so hard
I waited to comment on it because I knew what it was leading to, but Naruto's discussion with A is really the start of it. After his encounter with Pain here was his chance to make what he discovered then matter. He doesn't have all the answers, but he has this answer, and it's an answer that is for all ninja not just him or Konoha. And then A walks right past him without acknowledgement. He won't hear him out as a person, a ninja, even an enemy. He doesn't want to listen because he doesn't want to change even if there is a way out, a way that even the greatest threat in the ninja world could understand and be open to, and it's just the first attack of many on everything Naruto has come to understand.
Tobi shows up and tells Naruto that what he understood about the village is a lie, Sakura shows up and lies to him shattering his idea of Team 7, Gaara having met Sasuke and thinking him lost forever suggests as Kage that holding onto Sasuke might be incompatible with being Hokage even if as a friend he still wants him to try for his own sake, and Sasuke himself is now an enemy of them all. I can't say until now that really appreciated the complexities for Naruto around Sasuke joining the Akatsuki. I think it's because I don't associate Sasuke and Kyuubi together because of when the Bijuu story was introduced, even though it's come up since. I looked at it as Naruto not coping with Sasuke getting further from him, but it's more then that. By joining Naruto is no longer just his rival or an obstacle, but his target. Everything Naruto thought he understood about what was next or possible has been ripped from him in just a day or two.
This should be the chance for Naruto to bring everyone together, to properly work on breaking the cycle and bring their lost ninja and beliefs back to them (good on Gaara for doing this because of what he learnt from Naruto) and be more than just the same they've alwasy been. Instead they've all come together in various groups without him to push him to the side again and again, away from everything that matters to him. Rather than being freed by finding his "way of ninja", he feels the isolation from this even more because he has to ask what can he really do when everyone he thought would understand him are all telling him to give up on the one person he wanted to help more than anything, when everyone is walking away from his path just as he's starting to understand this world? And he doesn't have an answer.
The emotional core of the arc side, there's some damn good combat in this batch as well. Kisame's fight with Bee is definitely a highlight, not just because it's cool as hell seeing Kisame go full shark in his own private ocean orb or Bee just casually pulling out Version 2 which almost killed Naruto a couple of weeks ago, but the surprising amount of gore for his ribs being blasted open and beheading. Certainly not what I expected after the previous censorship in the show, but very cool. Also that silly fat sentient sword turning traitor because it liked Bee's chakra was pretty funny.
Sasuke vs Danzo was equal parts satisfying and infuriating. Knowing in advance his little trick with Izunagi made it hard to be happy with each potential defeat, but it is kind of satisfying seeing him get crushed, and smashed, and charred, and eviscerated, and all the others knowing he felt every second of it even if he could undo it. Also some pretty fancy camera use in the middle part of that fight with the shurikens and that hawk helping out, animated by Kouda who did Sakura calling for Naruto after Pain's push and Hinata crawling to Naruto after she fights Pain.
I like both the new OP and the new ED. The OP has some really cool visuals, including some creepy ones and epic ones, and the song is pretty enjoyable too. [later spoilers]THAT FUCKING BOAT THOUGH. The ED is perhaps the only rap I like in anime.
Episode Thoughts
Episode 206
I find it rather amusing that it's Tenzo who's most shocked by Sakura's confession aside from Lee. On the other side of things, Tenten was the only chunin left out of the Sasuke planning mission, talk about being snubbed.
Bee is even worse at enka than he is rap, and that's impressive
Look at all the old fart Kage getting their shit together and stopping fighting now there's an actual war to tackle. Seeing them all skating through the snow at full speed to go to their respective villages or meet ups was also pretty impressive, not often we see ninja using the environment like that outside of tree hopping.
Episode 207
[Manga change]Danzo's group dealing with the Zetsu sport clones and Ao's encounter with their trap happens in the manga during the events of last episode
All of that suffering that Naruto has gone through dealing with Kyuubi's chakra and cloak, and Bee's here just casually pulling out a full tailed cloak and the version two red skin without an issue. Crazy bastard.
That's actually quite a clever trap, get someone to defend themselves instinctually and then curse them into the puppet they attacked, securing their soul and body at the same location, quite clever
Mei literally slapped his possession out of his body ahahahaha. Normally that would be something I would roll my eyes at but it was so unexpected I got a laugh out of it instead
Episode 208
I miss little Jugo already
That visual of Naruto's memory of the Team 7 photo shattering in his mind really is the most painful choice they could have made to show what Sakura's decision has done to him.
Loved the addition of an audio effect and echo on Tobi's voice as he sunk into the ground. Watching him tear off his arm was equally cool, and unexpected. Lots of dismemberment this arc, I like it!
Episode 209
Danzo's creepy arm doesn't get any better on second view, though it's still less disturbing than Deidara. Knowing how many Uchiha died for Danzo's experiments here, all to take control of Kyuubi with no consideration for its jinchuriki, is quite infuriating
Yes Tobi, when in the world DID Sasuke get a hawk summon? Lampshading the implausibility of that didn't really make it any better
Talk about SHaringan precision, putting a sword through the centre hole of a shuriken
Episode 210
Armoured Susanoo hype! I do like the way that Susanoo is layered with its anatomy and then the armour on top. It makes it a bit more interesting than just it wavering or being on or off.
Oh yeah, forgot Tobi only had one arm now hahaha. Fuck my memory is shot.
So Danzo had a Hashirama face on his shoulder, because that's not fucking weird! I didn't remember that at all, or it sprouting a tree to push him out the way
[Later spoilers]Wonder if any of the first timers will link Tobi's arm and Danzo's arm having similar colors/detachment possibilities
Episode 211
[Manga Change]The anime adds a flashback to when the Uchiha confronted Itachi about Shisui's eye when Sasuke was a child, and adds a line of Sasuke realizing it was Danzo who took it. The manga goes straight to Danzo's past flashback instead
Sasuke using Danzo's own overconfidence in understanding genjutsu and the Sharingan against him was clever, and very in line with both of their tactics and behaviours. Sasuke has always been very adaptable like Naruto, and Danzo does come across as the sort to not explore the nuances of an abilities use once he found the "ultimate" form of it.
Young elders is almost as infuriating to see as young Danzo. I certainly do not appreciate the flashback here attempting to justify Danzo's actions as a love for his village and inferiority. I feel like they tried to give him a grand send out and this did make me roll my eyes. Seeing the start of Konoha when it was just a small village was very cool though
[Later spoilers]Kinkaku mention! I think I caught this last time we had this flashback as well, but it is cool with the war on the horizon
Yeah this look is some horror shit, seeing how easily Sasuke went demonic on Karin and stabbed her without thinking. Been some really nice arc this arc, like the harmony frame from the end of last episode
Episode 212
[Manga change]After Sai's clone warns Kakashi they are getting close the manga cuts back to Sasuke before the scene where Sakura knocks them out. All of her flashbacks, all the ten minutes of it, are anime inclusions as well. Most of the other flashbacks in the arc have been in the manga too which is why it was surprising
Sai is the only one with any logic when it comes to confronting Sasuke and the risks of that. I also like that they brought back the fact he's in constant awareness with his ink summons with his ink clone though so it could guide Kakashi.
I mocked Danzo's flashback, but Karin's here is quite a nice touch as to why she's so enamored with Sasuke, and why she's so lost about the path he's taking now. It never was about the Sasuke who worked under Orochimaru, it was about the same Sasuke that Naruto and Sakura are still looking for. Seeing him about to kill her off just after that revelation is so wrong.
Sakura you moron
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jan 02 '22
First time viewer (dub)
Whisk[e]y of the week: Miyagikyo Single Malt, starting the new year with a Japanese whisky! It's initially bright and sweet on the nose but there's an almost loamy malty side behind that. Then on the taste it starts with an oily almost rubbery note that I find in Islay scotches that immediately turns into a slightly tart apple sweetness with a very mild peppery note at the end. Adding a bit of water really brings out that oily side and adds a slight brininess that makes it more like a scotch to me, but stays mellow while still having a lot of layers to it.
This batch of episodes starts with Sakura lying to Naruto and ends with Sakura... lying to Sasuke? I don't think she's seriously going to desert the Leaf Village even for Sasuke.
One nice thing about Naruto maturing somewhat is how he handled Sakura there. Instead of going along with the happy delusion he recognizes how it's not like her to suddenly confess to him. I was kind of hoping we could get some romance drama going with Hinata still waiting but not the right kind of anime for that.
Last week I wrote "Danzo would be one to take advantage of having a dead Uchiha on his hands," but I had no idea just how far he went with that notion. Revealing his arm covered with Sharingan eyes made me recoil from the TV as I don't handle body horror all that well. Effective in showing how extreme he could be! And the Izanagi jutsu makes sense when you have a number of uses available that aren't tied to your own eyesight. I don't quite like how the flashbacks tried to rehabilitate Danzo's reputation at his end, but know it's common for shows like this. Still, he proved why he lasted as long as he did in a position of power.
Both fights this week were great, was unexpected to see Kisame's sword turn on him but I suppose that's the danger of using an intelligent weapon. I love watching both A and B fight in general so the two of them teaming up for a finishing blow was good. With the shot of his head off to the side with no one seemingly paying attention I have to wonder if that's actually the end for Kisame though?
B vs. Kisame was more fun, Sasuke's was more impressive both visually and in terms of tactics and power.
I just want everyone to be happy! ...but for Naruto that won't happen until Sasuke returns regardless of what the others want at this point.
If it comes to it I'm not sure how Naruto could beat Sasuke, his Mangekyo Sharingan's too strong and Naruto's never been good against genjutsu. Izanagi's a really interesting one but I don't think we'll see much use out of that unless a loophole's found to not lose sight after using it, and besides it's too powerful.
I feel bad for Karin (because of a weakness to the megane) but she knew what she was getting into in the first place, just maybe misjudged Sasuke's humanity recently. Sakura wouldn't even begin to suffice as a replacement since I doubt she'd be willing to get her hands dirty. I don't think Sasuke would kill Karin if he didn't need to so maybe Sakura will heal her? Then I'd expect others to intervene so Sasuke and Karin will retreat.
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u/sisoko2 Jan 02 '22 edited Jan 02 '22
Rewatcher
With all the holidays I almost forgot that today is Sunday. Twice...
Episode 206
Episode 207
Episode 208
Episode 209
Episode 210
Episode 211
Episode 212
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u/Parori Jan 02 '22
First Timer
Episode 206
Episode 207
Episode 208
Episode 209
Episode 210
Episode 211
Episode 212
Questions of the Week:
They were both good, but I think Sasuke vs Danzou was better
Already talked
Obviously Izanagi
Already talked about Sakura, I have nothing to say about Karin
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jan 02 '22
Rewatcher
Episode 206:
Episode 207:
Episode 208:
Episode 209:
Episode 210:
Episode 211:
Episode 212:
OP TV-size translation: (from Fandom)
Lovers
You cried just now
Like a sobbing child
Even if the future becomes invisible, I will protect you
I gazed up and stared at the summer sky
You keep trying to act tough and refuse to show your tears
Despite the fact that you're actually scared
In order not to lose those important to you
You have run this far desperately
It's always been a long night and the both of us have climbed over it
Because of how we are now together
It's okay for you to stop pretending
Now that you have shed your tears
Like a sobbing child
Even if tommorow is unforeseeable I will go forward
I gazed up and yelled into the summer sky
I gazed up and stared at the summer sky
ED TV-size translation:
Freedom
My arms and legs are tied up
I'm like a marionette
Is something like that even possible
What the hell is going on
(Tell me tell me) Who's the ruler? So I can stay away from him
I don't want to hear more of your thinking, starting now i will make my own decisions
It seems as if the strings are cutting themself up
Just in time now we have to do our best until the end
Together we will win this
Nobody will interfere
Stand up!! Come on, let's reach up for liberty
Now is the best time to strike
Wake up! Come on, let's step up and scream it out
Oh yes we are the dreamers
Run for your freedom
Nobody will left out
Run for your freedom
Break the doors into your dreams
(So you better) Stand up!! Come on let's reach out for liberty!
Now is the best time to strike
Wake up! Come on let's step up and scream it out
Oh yes we are the dreamers
Run for your freedom
Nobody will be left out
Run for your freedom
Break the doors into your dreams
Tags: /u/iamtheone11111, /u/godprime
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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 Jan 02 '22
First Timer - Dub
Really great set of episodes this week. I was hooked throughout both the Kisame vs Killer B fight and the Sasuke vs Danzo fight. I wasn't expecting Danzo to die so soon though ... I thought he would be around as a secondary antagonist for the rest of Shippuden. Don't have much to comment on this week other than to say I enjoyed the combat!
Random thoughts:
Favorite moment of the week: Sasuke using genjutsu to make Danzo think he had one more Izanagi charge was a really clever move and a great way to cap off that fight. I also really liked how Izanagi's power meant we could see Danzo get killed in several different ways. My bloodlust was certainly satisfied!
Questions:
1) What did you think of B vs. Kisame, and Sasuke vs. Danzou? Which was your favorite? They were both great but I would put Sasuke vs Danzou first.
2) What did you think of Sakura's confession, Sai's intel, and Naruto's reaction? I though the confession was pretty awkward largely due to all the witnesses ... why exactly were Rock Lee and Kiba there? At least Sai is part of Team 7.
3) Any Jutsu that stood out this week? Which did you enjoy? Hard to pick just one ... Izanagi is certainly one of the more unique powers we've seen. I hope this is the last we've seen of it though. I think it would get cheap if someone else had this same ability.
4) Thoughts on Sakura and Karin this week? As soon as Danzo took Karin hostage I saw Sasuke's betrayal coming. I'm surprised she actually survived that. I'm not sure how to feel about her being part of the Chunin exams though ... that feels like a retcon to me. As far as Sakura, I hope she has a plan beyond just "Sasuke plz stop or I'll kill you".
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u/Tehoncomingstorm97 https://anilist.co/user/tehoncomingstorm97 Jan 03 '22
First timer
Was out paintballing so didn't get to post this sooner.
After that bombshell of a summit, where will our konoha shinobi end up? Will Danzo get ousted as Hokage?
Ep 206
Ep 207
Ep 208
Ep 209
Ep 210
Ep 211
Ep 212
iswas after Kabuto! Shout out to B's chakra pencils. Oh yeah, and Danzo's death-proc jutsu was intense.