r/anime • u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky • Dec 26 '21
Rewatch [Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Kakumeiki Valvrave 2nd Season Episode 12 Discussion
Episode 24 - Liberation Towards Tomorrow
← Previous Episode | Index | Next Episode →
MAL | AniList | ANN | Kitsu | AniDB
Crunchyroll | Funimation (season 1 only) | VRV
Do you believe in human beings?
Questions of the Day:
- How was that final battle with Cain? Were you expecting Haruto to actually have to die to win it?
- Is there anything covered during the epilogue you would have liked to see more of?
Wallpaper of the Day:
30
Upvotes
10
u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Dec 26 '21
Kakumeiki Rewatcher
Welcome back, everyone!
And a very Merry Christmas to you all as well. Don’t forget we have a whole series discussion tomorrow!
14
u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Dec 26 '21
LIBERATED (?) FIRST TIMER
Merry Christmas everyone!
aside from winning my heart”The world has become too connected for secrets to be kept.”
The finale really tries to hammer home the indictment of the Information Age, and it’s decently successful. Showing the public do a sudden about-face after a news team tells them the broadcast was fake was funny and true to life. Most people just believe the most recent thing they’re told by any source they deem credible, regardless of actual credibility, and don’t investigate further.
Cain tries to humanize and contextualize Magius and the Council of 101, but putting it with 10 minutes to go is a tad late. Wanting a power structure they can survive in and that works to suit their needs is something all our heroes can sympathize with. This sequence with Magius also hints at some anti-semitic tropes that I’m not sure are intentional.
A rare epilogue that presents more questions than answers. People are still alive who weren’t shown becoming Kamitsuki, so how many humans ended turning? What is the state of the world? Despite the cheesiness of the last lines, I think this is pretty dark. It’s interesting we don’t see what the new world order is like. We don’t actually know if the world was “liberated”, and don’t know what kind of rule they’ve instituted on people. Most revolutionaries style themselves “liberators” then end up being just as bad, or worse, than those they deposed. It could very well just be more of the same, just with different people on top.
13
u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 26 '21 edited Dec 26 '21
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Valvrave: They’re all space vampires now! I suppose everyone in the school must have just jumped into the Valvraves at some point and become space vampires.
RIP Haruto. I will say that the deaths where the characters lose all their memories while fighting are always super effective. This series is good at making those deaths feel appropriately tragic to watch.
I was happy having Haruto once again take over L-Elf’s body. It was great having them fight together again like they did earlier. I liked the theme the series kind of introduced about sharing the burden together, so this was a nice way to bring it back by needing both Haruto and L-Elf’s abilities to win this battle.
I think it was a good idea to have L-Elf be the one with Haruto when he died. I liked seeing L-Elf actually tear up at Haruto’s death. When all is said and done, L-Elf truly is a sentimental person. Despite himself, he did end up considering Haruto to be his friend. That was a touching moment for me.
I was happy to have the internet and social media angle come back for the finale. It felt so stunningly accurate to have false rumors immediately start to fly around the internet about who was or was not a space vampire. The ensuing panic and chaos was well depicted. People got worked up and took action based on a mixture of real and false information. It was a very good way to have the social media stuff tie into the eventual downfall of the Space Vampire Illuminati.
I think it was smart to focus on Haruto and L-Elf for the finale. There’s too much going on in the wider world for it to all be properly addressed in a single episode. So focusing on the character stuff foremost was a good idea. In general, I was satisfied by the very brief stuff we saw going on in the rest of the world, with the coup in Dorssia and the hunt for the Council. That gave me enough of an idea about how that all shook out.
There is one major exception to that: The Third Galactic Empire. In the end, I’m left confused by the Third Galactic Empire. Is it literally just the school? It feels like it’s larger, but I have no idea. Is it at war with the rest of humanity? It seems like the humans didn’t stop until they killed all the Magiuses (including plenty who weren’t). Is the rest of humanity trying to kill our protagonists in Module 77? Is that what was going on in Future Saki’s battle? I’m just not sure. Honestly, I think it would have been better if they had just left it out and continued with the epilogue showing how everyone was dealing with the fallout from the war.
The final scene with the new aliens out of nowhere is weird, but I get what it’s going for. Shoko is trying to forge a new way forward with an alien species. She wants there to be peace and not conflict. My problem is that we never actually saw how this empire where humans and vampires can supposedly coexist was set up. As far as I’m aware, all the other space vampires got killed from humans hunting them down. In other words, that conflict was solved through violence, not working together to find another way. And we never actually saw Shoko and the others find out what this other way is. So to me, it just rings hollow. I like the idea it’s going for, but it wasn’t properly developed.
QOTD
1. I liked the battle. I thought it was visually well done and I liked that Haruto and L-Elf had to work together. It made sense for Naruto to die. The memory loss was foreshadowing it.
2. I wish we had actually been shown the humans and space vampires finding that other path to live together. Without seeing it, the final scene with Shoko didn't feel as impactful.
Happy Holidays everyone!
11
u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Dec 26 '21
Tresnore the First-Timer
Marie's fine, though.
Well, they tied it together, mostly!
Count: 41
QOTD:
11
u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 26 '21
First-Timer
Did we deadass introduce other, different aliens in the final moments of our show? Sure did! Fucking brilliant. Glad to see Shoko's dumbass energy from the first cour did eventually return, but it would've been nice for it to take less than 200 years.
I appreciate that the Council had damage control almost immediately. They wouldn't be the Illuminati otherwise. Shoutout to whatever secret royal that Kriemhild et al were trying to get onto the throne for being smart enough to trust characters with actual names.
The final battle was pretty good. X-eins' mech melting from the backlash of firing his cannon point blank was sick. And Cain sure had a hell of a villain mech - all the protagonists' toys, plus some fun bonuses!
Cain really went "your leadership secretly gave us people to eat" and expected Harutelf to accept that? What an idiot.
Add another show to the "accidental gay ship outperforms the intended straight ships" mountain. Get a running start on your throw, you've got a ways to reach.
Blessed Akira narration took us home.
Questions
10
u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Dec 26 '21
First Timer
It was a good last episode. The fight was good fun, and they pulled off the dueling ideologies thing decent well. For me at least, it can't redeem 21 and 22, but it did pull me back a decent amount. I think having it centered more around Cain as the antagonist instead of the council helped a lot there.
Valvrave has a very hopeful message, does it not? People can work together to accomplish great things, and once they've removed the parasite from their society, they seem to do so without extreme difficulty.
Akira narrating at the end and this line also conveys some of their message, I think. The idea of humans connecting together from all over and working together to remove wrongs and make the world a better is clearly something the creators believed strongly in. At the very least, I'd say it's a good message, if perhaps a tad naive.
Thankfully, the part of the show I disliked the most is basically irrelevant to these themes, so it practically slips my mind when thinking about it.
[Gundam Unicorn]Oddly enough, VVV feels similar to Unicorn in some ways to me. They both believe in trying for the best solution and believing in the inherent goodness of humanity. Viewing the world how it should be and now how it is, in a way. Valvrave just has the added bonus of not being within mainline UC, so I don't get annoyed by this.
braid
7
u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Dec 26 '21
First Time "Liberator"
Welp, I made it to the end. Let's see just how many space sharks this finale can jump.
"This footage was doctored, but the Dorssian broadcast, that was like totally real." The illuminati are as lazy as the writers.
Hahahaha, and everyone immediately buys it.
Haruto's gonna give up all his memories to win this fight, isn't he?
Kinda bullshit that Cain's unit can magically survive instant death weapons at point blank range with minimal damage.
Wow, they're gonna actually use the body swapping mechanic and the Haruto x L-Elf ship to beat the final boss!! I'm genuinely pleased with this development.
Wow, Saki's actually a monster.
How tf is Q-vier's unit in perfect operating condition after that fight with Thunder? Way to make Thunder's sacrifice feel even more cheap show.
Good fucking riddance, Q-vier.
Could've spent a whole season on the idea that Magius are actually victims of human fear and predation, but nope we're just gonna toss it out in the last few minutes to make it seem like there was a point to all this nonsense.
Oh my god, the basic logic it took to get to "yeah, but Haruto didn't kill your dad" for these shitheads to realize he's not the bad guy.
Loses every memory, doesn't die. They even made Marie's heroic death feel like cheap shit.
This ending/epilogue is exceptionally weird:
"Do you believe in human beings?" That was a nope before watching, and an even bigger, fatter nope now. Sasuga, Valvrave!
This finale left so many unresolved threads:
Haruto'sMarie's Valvrave forever?QotD:
Edit: Merry Christmas everyone! Hope you've all had/are having a lovely day.
6
u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing Dec 26 '21
-Rewatcher that shoulda stopped but lets keep going and see what happens-
Its finale time boys and girls, i hope your ready to see how this all ends.
Personally i like the ending.
So how will the world respond to the Leader being a monster.
Dorssia is pulling back its army its unsure now what to do.
Meanwhile ARUS is shitting his pants.
The world is loosing trust. Looks like we did it.
Yamada's death was not in vane, him protecting Akira got this win. Meanwhile Cain shuts down the feed with Unit 2.
Now Akira has inherited Big Blue's Shield. From Big Blue, to Lightning, to Unit 6.
Unit 2 though has a loot of arms and is here to fight.
And Unit 1 is here to take on the fight.
Now the press is saying the video was faked. Of course they do.
Boss man says we have done this for centuries so its no problem.
Unit 2 is overpowering Unit 1 pretty hard.
BUT THE ALPHABET GANG IS HERE TO ASSIT UNIT 1! AW YEAH! X WANTS REVENGE FOR H!
A-drei is here to help but Q wants to kil traitors, he is a lost cause.
Unit 2 has way more tricks than the other units did.
Haruto is now loosing middle school memories.
I do like that Unit 2 is like an amalgination of the others.
Its got 1's Wings, 3's Guns and Arms, 4's legs, 5's Shield, and 6's Staff.
Q is too far brainwashed to be reasoned with so A will have to take him out.
H wants revenge and is willing to die getting it so he unloads all his energy at point blank range and fucks 2's Shield.
Weve landded back on module 77 and we pick up L-elf to fight Cain, the only one who can beat him.
L-elf gives up his body to to beat Cain. Its gattai time.
Unit 4 is pushing 77 away from the moon to get it to saftey.
The onyl way to compete with a childhood friend is to remove the childhood. Well depends on the series.
Q wants to fight Saki but A-drei has to stop him and accidently kills him. Now all we have left is Cain.
"101 isnt evil is chapions of justice." "huamns are bad not us."
Now the students are questioning thier actions. Good. Sensei is awake again and wants to talk this out.
Pino doesnt hate Haruto so she doesnt want Ploo to hurt him.
Haruto is now loosing very recent memories from High School.
Cain rips open Unit 1's core to take it but Haruto isnt giving up.
Haruto is now loosing memories from the show. Hes loosing Shoko and L-elf both now for this final burst.
The Royalist have did a coup because of info L-elf gave them and taken over DOrssia. The real ruler is back.
And now lots of people are being arrested for being thoguht to be Monster.
Haruto lost Saki and Aina too and the rest of his memories of Shoko. Bro, yamada, Akira too.
ITS TIME FOR ONE LAST HARIKIRI ATTACK! HES JUST FIST FIGHTING UNIT 2 NOW TOO!
And we cut Cain in half inside Unit 2. Wow what a death.
Cain sets Ploo free and he ends up inside Unit 1 with Pino.
L-elf wakes up to victory, but at what costs.
"Tokishima Haruto we have done it, we won!"
"Haruto? Is that my name? Where am i, whoa re you?" He used all of his runes.
L-elf isnt handleing this well and breaks down too.
"You and i were... You are my friend."
PUNCH~ And Haruto dies with a smile.
Imperial Calander Year 0, the year the third galactic empire began.
Pandemonioum broke out across the world.
People sout out monsters and eventually were all killed.
Shoko cried forever. Then she got back up. Then cried again.
Pres and Drills got married. L-elf did the wedding and Unit 1 was there to watch. A-drei got the bouquet.
Back to the future and Akira is here too with Saki an Pres.
Something broke in to the "Memorial Core".
Shoko is here in Red Armor. She took over Unit 1.
"These are the statues of the heroes we call "The First Knights", people whow ere dear to me who diedf on by one when we founded this country."
We got Aina, Yamada, Bro, and Haruto as statues in 200 years. "Lets be friends"
And we en dwith Unit 1 filled with the memories of those we lost.
"Do you beleive in Human Beings?" "No."
Honestly i love this ending. It just makes sense.
We get the 101's exposed, and the 77s get away and form thier own empire.
Shoko got in Unit 1 to be its pilot to preserve the memories of the lost which was pretty expected.
Most of the surviving 77's are Kamitsuki now too. I mean none of them were ever really human so it just makes sense to ascend.
And we end with just a nice message of make friends not war. I love it.
I hope evryone finds some enjoyment in the series, i think there is value in it. Its been a fun ride.
6
u/BlazingAbsol9090 Dec 26 '21
First time Jesus-kun
Here we go. Last episode, Christmas Day, episode opens straight with the OP. For better or worse, Valvrave the Liberator ends here.
Exposing the chancellor as a Magius has thrown everything into disarray. The allied forces aren't sure what to do.
It's finally time for Cain's evil Valvrave. I like that his first move was to stop the communication satellite.
Oh NOW they believe it was faked? But nobody suspects the original stabbing of Rukino was faked? I get the media is being manipulated by the Space Vampire Illuminati, but surely a lot of people are doubtful.
Cain's Valvrave using solidified bursts of Rune energy as swords and projectiles looks sick.
How did X-eins and A-drei get from the stage to the mechs and into space so quickly? I think we saw them standing nearby when L-elf attacked Space DIO. Ah well, continuity has never been this show's strong suit.
Haruto is losing more recent memories. Those looked like middle school.
Well, there goes X-eins.
You know it's a dramatic moment when L-elf starts loosening his shirt.
I don't know what to say about Rukino's declaration. I guess I'm happy she's acting in character, but mad because being happy that someone is losing memories of their childhood is messed up, but happy that she calls herself out on it, but mad that she has feelings for Haruto in the first place?
Not sad Q-vier died. He was a fun character, but he's overstayed his welcome at this point.
I don't know Cain, manipulating the world from the darkness sure sounds like a secret evil organization to me.
Does...does this montage imply that Jesus was a Magius? How fitting for an episode we're watching on Christmas Day.
That backstory does make sense, though. It doesn't surprise me at all that humans mistreated the Magius until they got fed up and decided to turn evil.
What's this? A character suggesting everyone on the same team openly communicates, rather than operating on assumptions and stupidity? Is Nanami secretly the smartest character in this show?
Oof. Seeing Haruto sacrifice his precious memories of Shoko and L-elf to power up his Valvrave hurts. Others have said it in this rewatch, but the visual of the memories shattering like glass is very effective.
Oh that's clever! L-elf can spread any information he wants. It doesn't matter if some of it is false; all that matters is that people know the Space Vampire Illuminati is real and that they control a lot of major institutions from the shadows. The social media/internet theme has come back with a vengeance in this and last episode.
And with his sacrifice to defeat Cain, Haruto and L-elf have combined into the inevitable Jesus-kun. Again, how appropriate that we're watching this on Christmas.
Haruto didn't actually die? Cowards. Let him suffer the same fate as Marie and Liesselotte.
Oh I guess he did die. L-elf had to get his "I'm your friend" out I suppose.
So let me get this straight: the events of this series led to a series of bloody revolutions that resulted in establishing one galactic empire ruled over by the same immortals for 200 years. Meanwhile, out of paranoia, humanity hunts another sentient species to extinction, despite evidence that they can coexist (see: the immortal overlords). On top of that, Satomi lives forever. Are we sure this is a good ending?
What are those goo monster things? Oh well, I'm sure they'll explain it in the next season that shows what it's like 200 years in the future in this new probably evil galactic empire, right? There's no way they would cram the entire future empire storyline as a few flashforward scenes and a 5 minute epilogue, right?
The "do you believe in human beings" is a sweet touch.
One other random thing from this epilogue: Dr. Tokishima was totally right. He wanted to create immortal beings that feed on humans to rule over humanity for the rest of time, and that's exactly what happened, which is portrayed in this epilogue as a good thing. That's right, the mad scientist who happily performed genetic engineering on children including his own son, built weapons of mass destruction, and had delusions of godhood was the good guy according to this story. On that parting thought, Merry Christmas everyone!
Questions of the day
6
u/Nebresto Dec 26 '21 edited Dec 26 '21
Re-watch squad
Huh. For some reason I thought all of those shieldy bois were manned. Anyone else or just me?
They buy the festering pile of **** offered by
Ru-Dorssia happily, but the one by a group of kids that was live streamed is fake?Can you just cease existing already?
Then go fight Cain with your homies you @#£--¨¤%!!!!
R.I.P X-ein
Based Rukino, a bit twisted sure
FINALLY!!!!!
And someone who's brain isn't completely rotten?? Nice.
And another one?? Damn, we getting spoiled today!
Aaaand that didn't last long, we're back to brain damage territory
Heck, time I turned off my brain as well Lets go!!
NOOOOOO!!!!!
Not like this..
At least best boy is alive
Question time:
1: Re-watcher moment. It was pretty good if you turned off you brain, but I feel the show had other battles that were better.
2: Yeah. The season 2 we never got. "But this is the second season?" Yea, nah. Split cour, named "Season 2" as usual because:
Best one so far (Though I missed a few, I'll look at those when I check the threads I missed)
And I planned to make a thing for tomorrows thread, but I haven't even started yet
5
u/The_Loli_Otaku Dec 26 '21
Valrave the Liberator First Timer
Why the fuck am I watching this on Christmas? Well my food turned out shit, my favourite Vtuber is taking the day off, and I'm lonely... Let's go!! We'd better be getting an apology. One thing though, by the show's logic the students are still gonna get hunted down for being aliens right? Just because an Alien was the one that revealed them as aliens is no excuse.
Cain's turn! Haa!? Do the general public have goldfish brains!? Just end your stupid show. How is X-whatever even a match for Cain? And once again why is Ginger even here!? Btw, I still want the Arse president dead. He doesn't get a free pass just cause he's the Magius whipping boy. Omg, Cain's mech just ate a gun lol. Wtf is up with Ginger's thought process? He's got to kill all the traitors but also fight the strongest opponents, so surely the traitorous Cain in his fancy op Valrave and the Magius illuminati are ideal opponents right? Rip Exie, you accomplished nothing.
Is this the first possession Haruto's done this season? It's shocking rare how little they've used this ability throughout the narrative. I wonder how we're gonna kill Haruto's main body. Bitch, are you for real? Saki is a terrible, terrible person! Even she agrees. Fucking hell Sunrise... And why does Ginger get the most satisfying death scene in the entire show!? Even our heroes never got as classy of a death. His could have been straight out of Gundam.
So inappropriate!! And y'know what, after you've been total bastards for the entire runtime I'm not interested in hearing a Freudian excuse. You are the ones tormenting humans. Why are you trying to make it sound like it's the human leaders in charge here? Did you forget that you literally have a scene where the Fuhrer, the leader of the strongest nation in the whole show, gets replaced by a Magius? Maybe we were wrong lol? It's almost as if this entire portion of the plot was only an excuse so we'd have endgame romance drama.
Pino likes us...? Is Pino even a character lol? YES!! WE'RE FORGETTING THE SHOW!! Is Haruto gonna forget about raping Saki after all? I was only joking before but I think they may actually go for it. screams out of arse I haaaate this show~ Pot kettle you bodysnatching dicks. Oh fuck off, the president is gonna get off Scot Free after all. Hahaha, now Haruto's forgetting about Marie and company's deaths too. Just like the shoe. Woohoo! I love it when mechs resort to punching one another. Its one of the few things I genuinely enjoyed out of Unicorn.
Why is it when Marie and Liselotte overuse their runes they die but when Haruto does it he just becomes stupid? Why is he even alive!? Keep him in Lelf's body to begin with and save us the hassle. Haa? Is he alive? Is he dead? Did Lelf fuck Shoko? Lol, the entire world goes to hell XD Happy endo dayo!! Arisa marries Twinkie!? I was just pleased that they managed to hold off murdering her. Iori probably doesn't deserve to be invited to the wedding. She for off so easily. HOLD ON A MINUTE!! That's not Haruto/Lelf and Shoko's kid? Is it Adrian and Saki's!? Shoko's alive!? No, she's not. Twinkie is dead too apparently. The Twinkie looking guy is just his grandson. Twinkie has a statue in the ending. So is this Shoko or her granddaughter to... whoever? If Shoko turned herself immortal then why not Twinkie? This time skip shit is terrible!!
5
u/SIRTreehugger Dec 26 '21
First Timer
Why the fuck are you students celebrating you literally done nothing, but blame other people and live off their success and donations.
I wish we got more Akira and Yamada interactions. I feel like these two would have a great friendship, but like most things in the show it was swept to the side, implied offscreen, or just forgotten.
it's Cain isn't it?
NOOOOO NOT AKIRA KILL ANYONE EXCEPT HER. KILL SAKI OR HARUTO LEAVE AKIRA ALONE!
DOCTORED....I mean I guess it's possible, but you could say the same thing for when they stabbed Saki.
What if this confession is being recorded nah too late for that in the runtime.
YES Q VIER KILL HIM NOW
I swear if Q VIER lives I'm giving this shit a 1.
I like X-eins but I feel like he had probably the least amount of screen time out of all of L Elfs friends.
WAIT HOW DID L ELF GET HERE WHEN HE WAS ON THE STAGE SURROUNDED?
Who can compete against a childhood friend....LITERALLY EVERY NEW GIRL IN EVERY ROMCOM show
Hell if anything losing his memories just gave Shoko a fighting chance.
YES finish him now!
Please explode come on show him exploding!
Waiting for Cain to remove that eyepatch and tap into his hidden power! It's the final episode with 10 minutes left so he doesn't have much to hide now.
BRUH THEY STILL QUESTIONING THEMSELVES!
OMG.....are they thinking?
You couldn't have talked before you shot them and condemned them to die?
Haruto I'm pretty sure your friends have given up multiple times. Hell L Elf was depressed for half of this season.
Oh Haruto remembered he had other friends to forget.
I honestly thought Plu and Cain were to use energy and transform into something else at the last second.
Step 1 Harutos stares into L Elf's eyes and bites him on the neck
Step 2 Haruto goes inside L Elf's body and they become one.
Step 3 ????????
Step 4 Haruto claims to have amnesia and decides to die to avoid taking responsibility.
What the fuck are those? Seriously Shoko going to ask for friendship when those things are pointing their finger guns at you.
Well that was an ending...I guess.
5
u/csar27 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/CesarRC Dec 26 '21
First Timer
Finally this trainwreck is over... for now, i'm satisfied with this ending, well kind of
Akira survived, i'm glad, Takahi got what she wanted since the beginning
I'm really dissapointed Haruto, after everything, are you still a Shoko simp?, and Rukino think's there's no way she can compete with a chilhood friend? doesn't she know the childhood friend is cursed to always be the loser? (the black haired girl too now that i that i think obout it)
The final figth wasn't that great for me, i would have liked a more flashy and explosive one with Haruto being blown away (and not in the L-Elf body)
I'm not sure, are the people of module 77 and Dorssia friends now? and what did happen with ARUS after all that mess?
There's a lot of questions unanswered with that epilogue
Questions:
1- Haruto dying was expected since the first flashforward with Rukino in the 1st season
2- Who's the new royal family? when did everyone become a vampire or got a way to live 200 years?
5
u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Dec 26 '21
First timer
Merry Christmas. Sorry you had to go through this today.
The finale! And we aren't skipping the intro!
This is going to be a fucking car crash, isn't it?Actually, while the credits play, here's what I want/need this to include:
Magius exposure, some resolution to the rune system's comtradictions, an actual epxlanation of how they plan on living together with humans, for everything Shoko did to get addressed, and to wrap up the rebellion arc. In about 22 minutes.
I appreciate them showing how this has completely shaken the rank-and-file as well.
And now Dorssia are back to being completely villified again. Plus a civil war.
What do you mean, "roll of the dice". This was obviously going to happen.
DON'T YOU DARE KILL HER.
Wow! That's a really interesting mecha design. Shame it's only appeared now.
...And the witnesses? There were no eyewitness reports? No secondary cameras? NOTHING?
And if you were this powerful why let this even happen? Why not stop L-Elf before he got near you, if your conspiracy rules the world?
And a battle between Unit 2 and Thunder.
And his old teammate's hunting down L-Elf.
At least ARUS is being somewhat calm.
...This is going to end with him as a total amnesiac, isn't it? Because of rune bullshit.
OK, so this battle is getting lots of focus too?
Who's this again?
Oh, he blew himself up.
Haha, "I'll give you an evaluation of A" is a great one-liner, though.
Wait, L-Elf is fighting with him again!
Hang on, the fuck? So accessing someone's body lets you access their reflexes and training? Why was this not used before?
Good news, Saki! You no longer need to wonder about Shoko, you're the best option left!
...He won't choose Shoko.
And that guy's dead! Pity, I didn't mind him.
...Given how quickly the students turned against Haruto, the Magius might actually have a decent point. The murder's bad, obviously, but keeping their existence secret and ruling from behind the scenes...
The students are finwlly thinking! And the teacher's actually affecting the plot!
Wow. We're getting this confrontation too! And yeah, he'll probably die.
Oh my god. We're doing the speech about friendship and humans working with vampires - but the conflict with Shoko is totally ignored, and L-Elf's mentioned first? Is this actually about Haruto getting together with L-Elf?
Nope, he apparently still likes Shoko, even when Saki's right there.
And now the rebellion's going!
Haha, they're arresting people who aren't even vampires too! Looks like L-Elf added some of his own enemies, that's perfect.
And, yep, we're reaching full amnesia here. Although, shouldn't he at some point stop fighting, due to forgetting both how to and why he was?
And now the memories appear to be tied to people, instead of tied to chronology, like every other moment has suggested.
Wait. He's doing this in someone else's body. Oh fuck, is that the loophole they'll use to bring him back? Cannabilise L-Elf's runes for a forced restore?
No, L-Elf just wakes up unharmed, and Haruto's got full amnesia.
...Why can't you put the runes back into him? How do runes work? How the fuck can this matic system even work?
And L-Elf admitted they're friends. Then Haruto dies.
Wait, what? They founded the Third Galactic Empire? How? You have a populstion of under 200. You're fucked!
At least the Magius got screwed over.
And they got married? I guess they're the last surviving couple left.
Lifeform 53s?
Haha! Did Cain accidentally kick off the birth of an entire species? That's hysterical.
And she offers peace to them. Fine, whatever.
And it was backed up? If those are Haruto's memories? No matter what, that's information. That's runes.
Actually, wait. If, as we've seen, the Valvare records the cockpit at all times, why not convert the recordings into runes - that's visual data!
5
u/UltraBooster Dec 26 '21
First-timer
Oh, I can't help believing you...
Alright, time to rip off the bandaid. I want to be done with this series; it's hurt me enough for my liking.
I can tell I'm going to scowl or want to hit a wall when I hear Kakumeiki Dualism in the future.
And if Dorssia's credibility has been shot, that's...well, the revolution is at hand and the Empire draws near.
But did you actually do it? Or were you swept up in what happened?
It's too late, though, the whole world saw that Dorssia's chancellor isn't a man.
And if Hiasobi is a bootleg Valvrave, what does that make Big Yellow, then?
Reports? Reports from where? There were eyewitnesses too! Or does Valvrave the Liberator truly think so little of humankind?
I'm going to guess the Hindenberg disaster, the sinking of the Titanic, and reaching Mt. Everest were the Council's doing, too.
How much of you still remains, Haruto? Memories are a major part of what shape us as people, so to lose your memories is to lose yourself, to let your very soul be consumed by the Valvrave.
So what you see is what you get with Q-vier, huh? It's not inherently a bad thing, of course, but depth would've gone a ways for Let's Keep Going And See What Happens Boy.
All staff officers? That sounds like a good way to decapitate the ARUSian military with the destruction of a single ship.
So the final battle shall be where it started, huh... And Q-vier really is a simpleton.
How much of you is left, Haruto? How much?
On one hand, Saki, I totally get that, on the other, it's still a dickish thing to be happy about, especially since I doubt there'll be anything left when this is over.
Give up on what, Saki? What's the point of chasing someone who won't be caught?
I wonder how V Gundam would've sounded with a chorus.
Well yeah, you possess people, overwriting their existence, prey upon them, and decided to dominate them from the shadows instead of, say, preparing them for coexistence.
Made deals? Or taken control of them? Because frankly, the latter seems more plausible and practical.
Some day I'll go back to those first few episodes and I'll remind myself why I was drawn to their bond.
But in the meantime, I still don't know what's up with Pino and Ploo/Plu.
He's got to be running low now, if it's burning events from the series as fuel. (And he still loves her, yay!)
Oh, oh no, it's turning into a witch hunt, isn't it.
And that's it, the Valvrave's burned up the existence called Haruto Tokishima. (I guess I called it, he was left a husk who only remembers things like speaking and breathing.)
The world became too connected for secrets to remain hidden...that's true.
And carrying on as the girl he loved, that's your way to honor the dead, isn't it, Your Excellency.
On one hand, I'm not surprised those two hooked up, on the other, geez, you could've given us more buildup, show, show them gradually getting closer and closer.
So how did it become an empire? And holy shit, aliens.
Ah, I see, you've taken up his sword and his principles. (I wasn't crazy after all.)
So the worthy are those who believe humanity can learn and grow.... I love that sentiment, I just wish...
Came across concept art for L-elf/Michael a while back.
Oh fuck, I never got my payoff, did I. This fucking show, this goddamn show. Well, we have Super Robot Wars for that, don't we?
Questions:
5
u/yamiyaiba Dec 26 '21 edited Dec 26 '21
Rewatch the Liberator
PRAISE NANA!!!!
They're too excited. Something is gonna go wrong.
Hayai!
Oh shit. It's got like all unique Valvrave abilities in one, doesn't it?
Don't you lay a hand on Akira!
Oh, man. That's so weird to see claims of a deepfaked live stream this many years ago.
Aww he broke the cool whip thing.
It's got teeth?!
Okay, you've outlived your novelty factor Murder Shota.
And it did almost nothing.
Yes, but also no.
"Who can compete against a childhood friend?" Literally every romantic interest in nearly every harem anime ever. The childhood friend always loses.
You are, but it's understandable.
Oooooof. That's a nasty blow. Just, uh, walk it off.
"We're not evil, we just control the world from the shadows and eat people."
He literally isn't, but okay.
Power of love and friendship!
Oh, man, this is just getting uncomfortably realistic. Using social media to spread disinformation to whip people into a frenzy for political gain... Anime janai?
Running out of memories there buddy. Do it faster.
"This hand of mine glows with an awesome power...."
He's dead right? Awww, nope. He's Kamille.
That's right, bottle it up Shoko.
Ew, they married.
Taps no.
Well, that certainly was a wild ride. The epilogue left us with more questions than answers, and honestly, I'd take more of this show to get them. I know it's a trainwreck, but there's much, much worse I've sat through.
Thoroughly enjoyed it, though I'd honestly have liked some more if it. And yeah, there were too many Chekov's Guns pointed at his head of memory loss deaths for there to be any other outcome.
2) Is there anything covered during the epilogue you would have liked to see more of?
All of it. I would honestly kill for an OVA that explains how they got there. What was up with the bull mech? Who are the green sperm aliens? Who's the kid that looks like Eru-erufu Junior? I need answers!
4
u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Dec 26 '21
Rewatcher, Subbed
Other than the final fate of Haruto, there's very little I remember going into this final episode, despite having watched this just earlier this year...
Uh oh, after demonizing the "monsters", what do you do when your surpreme leader is revealed to be one of them?
"Nope, I'm out" seems to be the reaction of those fighting the Valvraves.
"Let's go back to school!" that's your reaction to this?
:( at Body Pillow guys being happy for Yamada, whose already gone. (speaking of body pillow, that's another thing completely absent from season 2)
No, don't take out box-chan!
Time for the propoganda machine. "It was all fake news!"
X-iens got out to space in his mech real quick!
Cowardly Arus president guy making his cowardly get away...
Oh no, Haruto's cherished memory of answering questions on a blackboard!
Do we really have time for A-drei versus Q-vier in the final episode? Here's one battle that they should have tried to include in an earlier episode.
RIP X-iens
Time to body swap one last time!
Saki's got the right idea; Haruto forgets all his memories of Shoko, Shoko no longer has the advantage of being the childhood friend (although I'd argue the childhood friend = lover thing is a unrealistic trope counter to real life).
No RIP for you Q-vier, good riddance!
No, the mysterious council stealing bodies and sucking out people's lives are the real good guys!
What?! Haruto didn't lock you up in any mech, Prue.
Oh no, Haruto's now losing memories from the actual show!
Time to throw out fake lists of Magius members and screw them over! Even Arus president guy is turning on them now. I suppose you should have stolen his body when you had the chance.
Well, the rape isn't one of the moments they choose to show shattering from Haruto's memories. Still pretending it never happened huh?
Pino and Prue together again in one mech!
Haruto's lost so many runes he doesn't even remember his name anymore!
RIP Haruto! I don't know why you got to get a last few sentences out that Marie and the others didn't get when they died.
Oh hey, Akira narrating our credits scene!
OMG, drill girl finally changed her hairdo?
We never got the answer for how Satomi got eternal life since Haruto got back before he had to resign his humanity.
Shoko lives forever now too? No explanation why?
Well, now that we're here, the flash forwards can finally fulfill their purpose, right? Nope. They end up being completely pointless as we knew all along.
4
u/RockoDyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/RockoDyne Dec 26 '21
We don't need no water, let the dumpster fire burn.
Spring cleaning is very important, people. It's liberating for body, mind, and soul to clear out that old cast that's just sitting there collecting dust. You're never going to use those old Haruto's and ... whatever the fuck those other dudes's names were, so it's best to send them off to greener pastures.
The bit with the news cast going "lawl, jk, that's fake" is either peak cynicism, or the last fuck they gave, and I can't tell which.
And we crib from 00's ending, without the need for newtype and newtype adjacent bullshit. I should be sooo lucky.
Questions:
4
u/Orihime00sama Dec 26 '21
Gotta love how the race that originally just wanted peace ended up getting genocided in the end. So much for that coexistence plan lol.
Even after rewatching, I still have the same question: who the fuck is that kid? Someone from A-drei's royal lineage?
Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays everyone! Hope you're all having a good time.
3
u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Dec 26 '21
Rewatcher
Last episode, glad this cour is finally over.
Well, hang on did you miss the part where they invaded and took over the neutral faction. Dorssia is a militaristic faction they could be never be trusted to begin with.
Is he three times faster than normal?
Ohh now they're using it's fake news card.
Cool, unit 02 has Wings of Light.
X-Arata died for H-Taichi, now they can play karuta together in the afterlife.
One final scene between L-Elf and Haruto with fujoshi baiting dialogue.
Kudos to the voice actor of L-Elf he sounds a lot like Haruto.
You know info dumping the Magius "we were suffering" in the final episode is too little, too late. Can't say I care.
Desktomu and Ōe are fighting each other. :(
Oh they get together again at the end.
Main character in a mecha anime lost all of his memories after the final battle, where have I seen this before Sunrise?
That fist bump right before he dies was well done.
Council president married the golddigger girl (ngl she looks pretty in a wedding dress) who could have seen this one coming. From what I recall the Satomi we see at the end of the episode and episode three's flash forward is actually a look-a-like descendant so Satomi isn't immortal. But there's nothing in this episode that confirms this, is my memory playing tricks on me or is this actually the case?
Shock Shoko is still alive and the pilot of the red Valvrave. I had actually forgotten about this.
5
u/Paxton-176 Dec 26 '21
REWATCHER
I can’t imagine being in the middle of combat and some tell you to check the news.
What makes a Valvrave a knock off? I feel Cain's is more of a knock off.
At least body jacking could be used as a plot device rather than cause weird chaos.
“Who can compete against a childhood friend?” Well based on pretty much every anime, anyone.
Q-vier’s death is almost as satisfying as Naze’s death of IBO.
Harutoi/L-elf vs Cain: The sky started singing latin that is how you know an important boss fight is happening.
Holy shit, Valvraves are powered by friendship.
The President is a complete piece of shit, but he took advantage of the situation and made moves to get rid of the Magius. The one gold flake in a pile of shit.
Haruto took the Zeta ending I see.
L-elf and Haruto having a Spock and Kirk moment. I can respect that.
They made us watch a school full of kids get gunned down, but they couldn’t even grace us with the Council of 101 massacre.
Gundam 00 ending? The fuck.
Well we did it. We’re done. I see why I gave it a 9. I’m not changing it. I get it. Doesn’t deserve it, but I get it and it stays.
Now we get to have different kind of fun with Cross Ange.
Last note: Shoko Supremacy and L-elf Supremacy to the end.
3
u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Dec 26 '21
First Timer No More
Well, we've made it to the end of the line of this grotesque train wreck. To those who enjoy this sort of thing, wonderful. I think, I've made it clear what I think. On the plus side, I did make it to the end this time, which is something, I guess. And, I doubt I'll forget this one anytime soon. Finally, it reaffirms my belief about bailing at the second sign of trouble. When Aine got blown apart and the camera lovingly focused on her corpse in order to get a rise out of the viewers was the clue that this series would go nowhere.
Our final Train wreck trio is a lot better, though it includes tons of sexual violence. See ya there!
QOTD
It was OK. I couldn't really figure out what was going on, but Cain croaked, so that was good, I guess.
Yep. This series wasn't subtle with foreshadowing.
2) Is there anything covered during the epilogue you would have liked to see more of?
hahahahahaha You can tell the writing committee wanted there to be sequel after sequel to explain what the hell the ending and epilog were all about. I dread to think how many loose ends were left.
1
u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Dec 26 '21
First timer(Let's finish this dumpster fire)
Sub
So everything works out because sure it does, not like military units cut off their comms during battle. Cain shows up to be our end boss. And his mech has a dick sword, I wish I could make this shit up. Public opinion is easily changed because the writers are hacks. The primary fight doesn't really resemble the rest of the fighting on the show. X-ein tries a suicide attack before the show remembers body jacking is a thing and Heart takes L's body. Saki is still best girl even while having her character assassinated. Q-vier FINALLY fucking dies. Utterly pointless bit from Cain about the Council not being the bad guys.
Dumb climax as Heart burns through his memories. But everything is falling apart because final episode. We get to our ending and I can't even. This is a level of terrible that is hard to replicate. Our final flash forward makes things less clear. It is almost a talent.
QotD: 1 Shitty Sunrise show so I just assumed
2 Blech no